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| 08:18.07 | Inukinator | sup? |
| 08:18.19 | Inukinator | qt vs gtk? |
| 08:18.29 | hateball | :| |
| 08:19.04 | pdobrogost|mobil | Hi all! |
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| 08:20.02 | pdobrogost|mobil | Does kickstart menu now open with Meta alone? |
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| 08:21.19 | Inukinator | life hack, turn on tiles! |
| 08:21.35 | Inukinator | Kickstart menu? |
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| 08:22.55 | Inukinator | What's your work einar77? |
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| 08:29.17 | tibi | pdobrogost|mobil: there's a way to disable the meta shortcut, add this to ~/.config/kwinrc |
| 08:29.20 | tibi | [ModifierOnlyShortcuts] |
| 08:29.21 | tibi | Meta= |
| 08:29.53 | pdobrogost|mobil | tibi: Thanks. Is this F25 change? |
| 08:30.12 | tibi | pdobrogost|mobil: yeah, I think it's new kde thingy |
| 08:30.27 | tibi | pdobrogost|mobil: weren't you active in #kotti as well? |
| 08:30.41 | pdobrogost|mobil | Yes, that's me. |
| 08:30.49 | tibi | cool :) |
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| 08:31.09 | pdobrogost|mobil | Nice to see you, too. |
| 08:31.30 | Inukinator | Hey y'all |
| 08:31.36 | Inukinator | VPN's are the best |
| 08:33.21 | pdobrogost|mobil | tibi: Are you interested in tiling in KDE? |
| 08:34.03 | tibi | pdobrogost|mobil: yes, I think I saw that you did some work on that |
| 08:34.33 | tibi | right now I'm trying to understand why my bluetooth headphones don't properly work with KDE phonon backend |
| 08:34.57 | Inukinator | tibi what distro are you running? |
| 08:35.16 | tibi | they stop working after I stop the headphones at the end of the day, so I need to reboot or something to make them work again properly |
| 08:35.33 | tibi | Inukinator: KDE Neon on top of Kubuntu 16.10 |
| 08:35.43 | Inukinator | I went linux two weeks ago, and used kde neon for the first week, now I'm running antergos |
| 08:36.27 | Inukinator | too lazy to install arch the arch way |
| 08:37.08 | tibi | yeah, it's on my todo list, next to trying i3 |
| 08:37.23 | Inukinator | I use i3 for gaming |
| 08:37.26 | tibi | but for now I want to keep things running, too busy |
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| 08:38.02 | Inukinator | pdobrogost how about you? |
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| 08:39.23 | pdobrogost|mobil | I'm on Fedora. |
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| 08:40.23 | Inukinator | Okay |
| 08:40.32 | Inukinator | That's the free one? |
| 08:40.53 | Inukinator | What's the different between red hat, fedora and cent os? |
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| 08:41.05 | pdobrogost|mobil | tibi: Not much really but I'm planning to get involved. You have to try it :) â https://github.com/faho/kwin-tiling |
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| 08:42.21 | profnixer | Inukinator: Fedora is the end user distribution which is quite stable and up to date with new versions every six months or so. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is the Entperise LTS version which is stable for 10 years. |
| 08:42.58 | profnixer | Inukinator: CentOS is the free version of RHEL, which is made by the CentOS community from the RHEL release. |
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| 08:43.30 | profnixer | Inukinator: Fedora becomes RHEL, and RHEL then becomes CentOS. |
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| 08:45.28 | Inukinator | cool |
| 08:45.41 | Inukinator | Can I run my server on top of Fedora? |
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| 08:46.56 | Inukinator | Or better yet, kde neon |
| 08:47.16 | pdobrogost|mobil | tibi: It works really nice. Btw, I heard there's no more a team behind Kubuntu and there's only one person involved. |
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| 08:51.45 | Inukinator | I heard that Kubuntu is better than kde neon though? |
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| 08:54.37 | tibi | Inukinator: not true if you like kde |
| 08:55.03 | Inukinator | Well, both the same DE though |
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| 08:57.38 | Inukinator | I'm more of a fan of rolling releases though |
| 08:57.46 | profnixer | Inukinator: Fedora does have a server version of its distribution but you should never run a server with a GUI for security reasons. Server should be as lean as possible. |
| 08:58.49 | Inukinator | I know, I was joking |
| 08:59.13 | Inukinator | What however is the security risks with gui? |
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| 10:32.32 | TomTom | hi, any idea how to start indexing a kmail local folder? when check the maintenance tab of any random local folder indexing is selected but it shows (not yet indexed). baloo and akonadi is running |
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| 10:34.42 | einar77_work | TomTom: later kmail versions (from Applications 16.08 onwards) should have a button to force reindexing |
| 10:35.32 | TomTom | kmail 5.2.3... i don't see an obvious button |
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| 10:47.13 | TomTom | haah jürgen höller über den oracle driver: "We essentially expect an up-to-date, fully patched driver at that point (early 2017), in combination with statement pooling." |
| 10:47.22 | TomTom | ups wrong channel. sorry |
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| 11:18.48 | zorael | Any idea why katepart won't let me use Ctrl+S? It binds all well and good but never triggers |
| 11:19.18 | zorael | (kate is version 16.08.3) |
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| 11:37.42 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:47.33 | Drzacek | Hi |
| 11:47.41 | Drzacek | Where is square root in KCalc? |
| 11:48.31 | SSJ_GZ | Drzacek: "Science Mode" , Shift, and x^2 :) |
| 11:48.50 | Drzacek | yeah I'm in science mode |
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| 11:49.05 | Drzacek | and shift doesnt have any special effect |
| 11:49.22 | SSJ_GZ | I mean the "Shift" button on the Calc. |
| 11:49.37 | Drzacek | oh |
| 11:49.41 | Drzacek | very unintuitive |
| 11:49.56 | SSJ_GZ | Drzacek: I couldn't agree more :) |
| 11:50.06 | SSJ_GZ | I think I only discovered it purely by accident XD |
| 11:50.14 | Drzacek | :D |
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| 12:06.54 | themill | Ctrl+2 is the shortcut for the shift key. 'obvious'. |
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| 13:10.39 | ychaouche | How do you guys switch between splits ? |
| 13:10.42 | ychaouche | in konsole |
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| 13:57.08 | ychaouche | ok shift-tab |
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| 16:50.46 | excalibr | That stock calculator plasmoid is weird. When I input decimal number it always goes nuts |
| 16:51.53 | excalibr | Trying to input 2.375 for example, becomes 2.3749999996 |
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| 16:58.55 | pepo | That's odd, because 2.375 can be represented exact as a binary fraction. |
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| 17:06.16 | abhishek | hi |
| 17:06.30 | abhishek | is there a way to remove white borders? |
| 17:06.31 | abhishek | http://imgur.com/a/WHYdp |
| 17:06.57 | abhishek | they appear on unfocussed windows,notifications, system panel etc |
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| 17:49.20 | pepo | abhishek, it looks like you have compositing disabled |
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| 18:57.31 | smailkoz | Hello, could anyone help me with hidpi in last plasma? |
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| 19:09.09 | OnkelTem | Hi. I'm getting errors whenever I start any console and type locale: http://apaste.info/xc02Q |
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| 19:09.35 | OnkelTem | For me this looks weird: en_RU |
| 19:09.52 | OnkelTem | All my Ubuntu config files seems to be fine |
| 19:10.11 | OnkelTem | so... isn't it KDE who is breaking my locales? |
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| 19:22.22 | clarjon1 | OnkelTem: no, that's not KDE |
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| 19:22.24 | clarjon1 | that's locale |
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| 19:34.29 | pseudonymous | If I don't care too much about my distribution of linux.. Which would you recommend for kde? I'm mainly thinking along the lines of having the latest KDE install. If anyone know of vmware fusion support too that would be great |
| 19:35.50 | rindolf | Hi all! KDE Plasma 5 just froze here on Mageia v6. |
| 19:36.00 | rindolf | the mouse still worked, |
| 19:38.34 | genstorm | rindolf: most likely issue: graphics drivers |
| 19:39.40 | rindolf | genstorm: true |
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| 19:45.53 | FLHerne | pseudonymous: Arch is always best for "latest", but tends to be some-assembly-required |
| 19:46.55 | FLHerne | pseudonymous: OpenSUSE have the best KDE integration, and 42.2 has Plasma 5.8, so that might work for you |
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| 19:47.56 | OnkelTem | clarjon1: Hm, I have no issues on tty-s, only in X my locale seems to be broken |
| 19:48.02 | genstorm | FLHerne: hmm Gentoo seems to be ahead of Arch right now, with Plasma-5.8.4 ;) |
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| 19:49.05 | pseudonymous | FLHerne: yea. If only it werent for vmware fusion I'd just select from among whatever. Though setting up Arch (or Gentoo) seems like a lot of work for a VM |
| 19:49.17 | FLHerne | [19:49][4220][flh ~/]$ pacman -Qi plasma-desktop |
| 19:49.19 | pseudonymous | But I'll keep each suggestion in mind :) |
| 19:49.19 | FLHerne | Name : plasma-desktop |
| 19:49.21 | FLHerne | Version : 5.8.4-1 |
| 19:49.29 | FLHerne | genstorm: Just add the testing repo |
| 19:49.35 | genstorm | pff, testing repo |
| 19:49.49 | FLHerne | Who needs testing, eh? |
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| 19:50.19 | hendrix | pseudonymous: opensuse is good. if you always want to have latest kde you can either use rolling version tumbleweed or add updated kde repos for 42.2 leap. |
| 19:51.22 | genstorm | I'd probably choose opensuse as well if going with a binary distro |
| 19:55.20 | OnkelTem | clarjon1: so it was kde! :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/501181/how-to-change-fix-systems-locale-when-you-setup-in-a-language-not-official-in-y |
| 19:55.34 | pseudonymous | well. I've run OpenSUSE a bit this year, with Leap that is. I even ran a local copy of the open build service to build RPM's.. I kind of abhore RPM and debs and all the misery associated the making of packages... Oh well |
| 19:55.56 | clarjon1 | ah, so it was. Did not realize that was a thing. My bad! |
| 19:56.26 | genstorm | pseudonymous: I guess you gotta have _some_ package format |
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| 19:57.09 | pseudonymous | genstorm: Yea, slackware/arch style minimalist packages, if it has to be :) |
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| 21:44.09 | pangur | I have linux-mint 18 kde plasma 5, which works brilliantly. However, although I could become very fond of kmail, and like the idea of integration with its pim, etc., --- unfortunately, kmail crashes whenever I try to send an email :( |
| 21:44.36 | pangur | Is this the channel where I should ask about this? If not where should I go? |
| 21:45.13 | SporkWitch | kmail is a kde app, so it can't hurt; would need some context, error output, etc., though |
| 21:45.22 | SporkWitch | i use kmail and kontact in kubuntu, and it works fine 99% of the time |
| 21:45.49 | pangur | Sometimes, it sends the email, if I wait several minutes. |
| 21:45.57 | genstorm | pangur: what version of kmail is that? |
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| 21:46.04 | pangur | Meantime, it crashes the rest of the machine as well as kmail itself. |
| 21:46.33 | pepo_ | the rest of the machine? sounds like an X driver issue |
| 21:46.50 | pangur | KMail version 5.1.3 |
| 21:47.02 | pangur | KDE Frameworks 5.23.0 |
| 21:47.20 | genstorm | ouch, that is old |
| 21:47.21 | pangur | Qt 5.5.1 (built against 5.5.1) |
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| 21:47.30 | pangur | The xcb windowing system |
| 21:48.09 | genstorm | pangur: preferably file a bug at your distribution first. if they want to shop ancient versions, they get to hunt for backports |
| 21:48.13 | pangur | It should not be that old, as I only installed it the other day from a magazine cover disk. |
| 21:48.15 | genstorm | *ship |
| 21:48.33 | genstorm | pangur: Mint may be new but it ships old software |
| 21:48.40 | pangur | ah |
| 21:48.41 | pepo_ | Mint 18 uses 16.04 LTS base |
| 21:49.07 | pangur | What is the current version of KMail? |
| 21:49.18 | genstorm | 5.1.3 would be KDE Applications release 15.12... |
| 21:49.45 | genstorm | pangur: 5.3.3 and approaching 5.4.0 already |
| 21:49.52 | pangur | Is there a way that I can get that without going via apt-get? |
| 21:50.17 | genstorm | no |
| 21:50.31 | genstorm | it needs much too new dependencies, none of which Mint 18 is prepared for |
| 21:50.39 | pangur | Is it too integrated with the Kde system? |
| 21:50.59 | genstorm | no |
| 21:51.15 | pangur | I quite liked the feel of kmail but, currently, I have returned to thunderbird, which works like a dream. |
| 21:51.58 | genstorm | you're using the wrong distro for KDE software |
| 21:52.17 | SporkWitch | it does seem they've greatly improved thunderbird; i still don't like the requirement to use third party plugins for google calendar and contacts, though |
| 21:52.56 | SporkWitch | if i can get this stupid crouton chroot to install, i'm planning on trying thunderbird on my chromebook, since kontact is WAY too resource hungry, to the point of being unusable |
| 21:53.26 | genstorm | my 7 years old X200s disagrees |
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| 21:54.42 | SporkWitch | so does my 6 year old desktop; my asus c100 chromebook flip, on the other hand, cries like 300 kilo tumblrite being told they should probably skip the 5th helping of cake |
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| 21:55.38 | genstorm | it likely got comparable power to my old subnotebook |
| 21:55.45 | genstorm | so... |
| 21:55.59 | genstorm | I doubt thunderbird would run less resources-hungry |
| 21:56.05 | SporkWitch | probably; it's this dinky little rockchip SOC, 2GB RAM |
| 21:56.22 | SporkWitch | i think thunderbird would, because it wouldn't bring in all the database, akonadi, and other crap that kontact does. |
| 21:56.30 | SporkWitch | thunderbird is a bit more self-contained |
| 21:57.07 | SporkWitch | the idea is that you're not having to run a full DE, just the individual application you need; kontact loads up a LOT of stuff, because it expects the rest of KDE to be there and running |
| 21:57.20 | genstorm | kontact has nothing to do with the DE |
| 21:57.34 | SporkWitch | so if you're already using KDE anyway, you're fine, it's not much of a hit, but running it in a xiwi window with crouton, the performance plummets |
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| 21:57.56 | SporkWitch | of course it does, or more accurately, the various applications bundled with it |
| 21:58.15 | genstorm | it is using libraries, so does thunderbird |
| 21:58.32 | SporkWitch | not just libraries, mate |
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| 21:59.16 | genstorm | give me an example |
| 21:59.56 | pangur | Linux Mint 18 KDE comes with KMail preinstalled, but not thunderbird. I had used it in previous linuxes, so when KMail began to refuse to send my emails, I resorted to installing thunderbird. |
| 21:59.56 | SporkWitch | well, again, akonadi, and the database backend it uses (think sqlite, probably?) |
| 22:00.15 | genstorm | SporkWitch: which is not a DE |
| 22:00.24 | SporkWitch | kontact starts up a whole slew of background processes it needs to work; thunderbird does not |
| 22:00.24 | genstorm | SporkWitch: what do you think thunderbird is using? |
| 22:00.53 | genstorm | just because you don't see it, doesn't mean there isn't the whole gecko stuff and sqlite in the background |
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| 22:01.05 | SporkWitch | genstorm: and yes, most of what kontact starts up is a part of the K Desktop Environment, a DE being a suite of various tools all designed to work together and compliment each other. |
| 22:01.25 | SporkWitch | and just because you're ignoring it, doesn't change the fact that kontact starts up a shitload more stuff than thunderbird does lol |
| 22:01.26 | genstorm | SporkWitch: all of which Kontact starts up is part of the KDE Applications bundle |
| 22:01.34 | genstorm | using some Frameworks |
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| 22:02.15 | SporkWitch | and again, i use kontact and kmail, i like it a lot, not least because it doesn't need a bunch of third party hacks to get google contacts and calendar working; it's still "heavier" than thunderbird. |
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| 22:04.24 | genstorm | that may be the case or not; you'd still have to measure the actual impact of 'shitload more stuff' as compared to 'one heavy thunderbird process' to make a case |
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| 22:04.56 | genstorm | just because there are a bunch of processes involved does not tell us anything |
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| 22:05.22 | SporkWitch | i agree; for now it's only appearances, i need to get around crouton currently being broken in order to test properly right now |
| 22:06.34 | SporkWitch | (unfortunately the only officially supported distro for crouton that has a new enough version of gpg is debian sid, and there's something jacked up that's preventing it from properly configuring the chroot) |
| 22:07.03 | genstorm | what does it need to have to support that crouton stuff? |
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| 22:11.34 | SporkWitch | genstorm: it seems to be something wrong with crouton's bootstrapping script; it's not a kde issue, in any case. it gets hung up when trying to configure the chroot, and it's happening early enough in the script that it's not proving easy to work around and fix. |
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| 22:12.09 | SporkWitch | quite annoying, since i'm having no luck getting audio to work dual-booting arch on it, either, which would have made an acceptable alternative (much as i hate gnome, gnome3 actually seems to have a damnably decent touch interface) |
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| 22:50.13 | phoerious | This is probably a repeated question, but why is the nice KDE bugzilla theme gone? I noticed a couple of weeks (months?) ago that certain parts of the design were sometimes missing. But now it's completely back to ugly default bugzilla. Compatibility issues? |
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| 22:52.57 | pepo | phoerious, the bugzilla version was upated, and the customization that was added on top of upstream bugzilla were dropped. |
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| 22:53.43 | phoerious | That's what I thought. But is it coming back? The only thing that made Bugzilla kind of usable was the KDE theme. |
| 22:54.46 | pepo | I am using bugzilla daily since 8 years, and the upstream theme is a lot faster to work with. It's also more compact, so less scrolling required |
| 22:54.53 | valorie | phoerious: if someone works to make it so |
| 22:55.07 | valorie | patches are always welcome, phoerious |
| 22:55.26 | valorie | especially upstream patches |
| 22:55.59 | phoerious | I can't fix every single project. Working on enough open source projects already. :-\ |
| 22:56.40 | valorie | and that's the problem with most of the people here |
| 22:56.48 | valorie | we need more young developers |
| 22:57.11 | phoerious | The Bugzilla guys need a designer first of all. :-P |
| 22:57.15 | valorie | and stop driving half of them away with bad behavior (the girls) |
| 22:58.06 | SporkWitch | O.o |
| 22:58.15 | SporkWitch | yay turning non-gendered issues into gendered ones... |
| 22:58.38 | pepo | We also need more OLD developers :P |
| 23:00.30 | SporkWitch | really, they need competent devs, full-stop, regardless of race, sex, fanciful-tumblr-made-up-pronoun, etc. |
| 23:00.48 | SporkWitch | (which is, of course, what is needed by all groups everywhere: competent people, regardless of other factors) |
| 23:01.34 | valorie | right, being friendly to all gets us more friends and developers |
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