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| 00:00.51 | Friti | btw, using irc on old phone right now, dumb spell checker... |
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| 00:06.30 | kafloopascope | Friti, what distro do you use/ |
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| 00:07.50 | Friti | I use kubuntu 16.10, no backports repo |
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| 00:10.04 | Friti | WHOA NELLIE!!! I just started in recovery mode and saw the following message: |
| 00:10.48 | Friti | Failed to start Load Kernels Modules |
| 00:10.58 | Friti | what the... |
| 00:11.36 | arturo | hello, I need some help, I'm new to kde and I'd like to set up a right click shortcut to set the image to the background, how could I do that? I was reading this: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=10667 but since I'm new to linux I don't know how to do it. I'm currently using kubuntu |
| 00:11.39 | Friti | Now what do I do? |
| 00:12.16 | kafloopascope | Friti, http://askubuntu.com/questions/779251/what-to-do-after-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules |
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| 00:20.34 | Friti | kafloopascope, dpkg --configue -a did not seem to have worked |
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| 00:21.51 | Friti | updating pax |
| 00:21.56 | Friti | ooops |
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| 00:22.46 | Friti | updating packages does not work because network wont enable |
| 00:23.51 | kafloopascope | Friti, you may want to use a live usb and chroot into your system. anyway, probably take this to an ubuntu support place |
| 00:24.30 | Friti | okay, will try both |
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| 03:34.06 | v7 | Hey |
| 03:34.13 | v7 | I can't understand wtf is this ? http://i.imgur.com/bJlm1ej.png |
| 03:34.28 | v7 | Also ... they apearing "normal" after covering them with mose ... |
| 03:34.32 | v7 | mouse * |
| 03:40.01 | v7 | Also wtf is this ? http://i.imgur.com/fe29hXS.png |
| 03:40.44 | v7 | How to recover graphics ? |
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| 04:07.24 | thiago | v7: sorry, Dia is not a KDE application |
| 04:08.54 | v7 | thiago: How to recover graphics ? |
| 04:09.10 | v7 | It was normal, but after some time ... some apps are like this |
| 04:10.28 | thiago | which apps? |
| 04:13.05 | v7 | Deluge, LivreOffice |
| 04:13.10 | v7 | Dia |
| 04:13.25 | v7 | Icons and some graphics just lagging or smth. like this |
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| 04:58.59 | Exairnous | Hi, I have plasma 5.8.4 and probably an unique panel setup. My trouble is that they keep poping up whenever a window receives focus and I have to mouse over them to close them. They are set to auto-hide and I have one on the top, one on the left side, and three on the bottom. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 11:56.42 | Nod0n_Neon | hi, are there backup solutions for kde? (i'm running kde neon) |
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| 11:59.10 | leszek | Nod0n_Neon: I am using backintime |
| 12:00.10 | Nod0n_Neon | i'll check it out. :) |
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| 12:07.50 | Nod0n_Neon | leszek: what's the difference between back in time and back in time (root)? |
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| 12:08.29 | leszek | one executed as normal user the other one as root |
| 12:12.14 | Nod0n_Neon | So I can only backup my own files with the normal one. So if I want to do complete system backup I need to start as root. Can I setup back in time, that is it backing up my complete system for example once a month? |
| 12:12.46 | leszek | Nod0n_Neon: yes you can do so |
| 12:13.02 | Nod0n_Neon | Ah ok nice. Thx for all your answers. :) |
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| 12:31.52 | Nod0n_Neon | leszek: can I store the backup to a smb share? |
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| 12:33.31 | leszek | Nod0n_Neon: theoretically yes as it uses rsync in the background. But rsync needs to support smb. And I don't know if that works as I never tried that |
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| 12:33.48 | Nod0n_Neon | leszek: ok. thx. |
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| 12:36.58 | Nod0n_Neon | Ah there is a rsync daemon on my NAS (freenas). |
| 12:37.22 | Nod0n_Neon | Hm maybe I'll get it work with it. This would then support all the filesystem feature needed. |
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| 12:42.56 | darnir | On my system, lots of text files are associated by KDE to libreoffice writer. However, I would like to remap all those to open in (g)vim instead. Where can I find the configuration files to make this change en masse? |
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| 13:56.25 | yates | i'm running the kde spin of f24. when i reboot or shutdown from a kde session, the screen goes completely dark and i cannot see any activity until the bios is invoked. |
| 13:56.31 | yates | usually i see a graphic ("F" in a circle-like thingie) and if I press escape I see the shutdown messages like "stopping xyz" (from systemd?) in a terminal-like screen, but that doesn't work. |
| 13:56.37 | yates | any ideas why my screen is going completely dark? |
| 13:56.43 | yates | i don't know if it's related, but i am using the nvidia drivers. |
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| 14:00.42 | rdieter_work | yates: using nvidia is likely related, those drivers may not support plymouth |
| 14:00.59 | rdieter_work | (what controls the console startup/shutdown graphic and display) |
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| 14:48.27 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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| 16:32.41 | johancb | Hi everybody. I'm experiencing very high CPU usage during I/O operations like file transfers to/from ext HDD, to/from phone etc. The process plasmashell occupies one entire CPU core. |
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| 16:35.20 | bakers | Since I've upgraded to Fedora 25 all my audio comes out the right speaker. I can't for the life of me find where the balance is in the audio volume mixer thing. Am I missing something |
| 16:35.46 | johancb | Try alsamixer |
| 16:36.00 | bakers | johancb, I did... all it shows is ONE pulseaudio volume |
| 16:40.38 | johancb | You could specify the driver option in your modprobe.conf |
| 16:40.53 | johancb | Your computer could need specific options |
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| 17:14.04 | aeryndunham | Is there a way to have be able to right click in Dolphin and 'open konsole window here' ?? |
| 17:17.24 | kevin123 | aeryndunham: there's a dolphin service for that |
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| 17:18.20 | kevin123 | aeryndunham: on arch linux it's packaged in, you need to go in the actions submenu |
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| 17:18.28 | kevin123 | aeryndunham: no idea about other distros |
| 17:18.59 | aeryndunham | kevin123: Ah, ok thanks! I'm on openSUSE, I shall look into it |
| 17:19.32 | kevin123 | aeryndunham: if you don't see it in the actions submenu, check the dolphin settings services to see if it's enabled |
| 17:20.13 | aeryndunham | Hmm, 'Open Terminal Here' is selected |
| 17:20.34 | aeryndunham | Ah the Actions menu wasn't showing up when I right clicked before, now it is |
| 17:20.36 | aeryndunham | fabulous |
| 17:21.10 | aeryndunham | Thank you! |
| 17:21.51 | kevin123 | aeryndunham: no worries, there's a "dolphin-plugins" package which adds a bunch more services (like open terminal as root for example) you might be interested in |
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| 17:34.55 | silver_hook | Whatâs the preferred IM & VOIP KDE app these days? |
| 17:35.42 | silver_hook | I like KTP, but it seems development has stopped. Kopete seems a bit dated (is it ported to KF5 yet at all?) ⦠|
| 17:36.58 | genstorm | silver_hook: kopete has a kf5 branch, but it doesn't do much |
| 17:39.30 | silver_hook | genstorm: Itâs something⦠|
| 17:39.41 | silver_hook | So, what do you guys use then? (and donât say browser) |
| 17:41.17 | genstorm | well, KTP |
| 17:41.39 | kevin123 | doesn't telepathy do voip also? |
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| 17:50.25 | silver_hook | kevin123: YEeaaaaah, have you ever made it work? I havenât yet, at least for SIP |
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| 17:51.51 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 17:53.33 | cousin_luigi | hasn't been able to use akregator5 yet: every time it's launched it re-downloads all available news: perhaps I'm doing something wrong? (16.08.2) |
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| 18:04.52 | silver_hook | kevin123: No worries :) |
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| 19:04.46 | alesan^ | hello |
| 19:05.05 | alesan^ | I just upgraded... from Kubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and my KDE config got wiped off entirely |
| 19:05.05 | lauritzt[m] | Hi :) |
| 19:05.59 | alesan^ | I am a bit lost with this new environment... none of the previous settings got saved |
| 19:06.05 | genstorm | alesan^: well, it's a completely different plasma |
| 19:06.10 | alesan^ | oh :( |
| 19:06.35 | alesan^ | first of all, I would like to restore the window behaviour... I like focus strictly under mouse |
| 19:06.47 | genstorm | and don't waste your time with the standard shipment of qt/frameworks/plasma and head straight to the kubuntu testing repo for Plasma-5.8 |
| 19:06.59 | genstorm | afaik there was a call for testing recently |
| 19:07.00 | alesan^ | I think I can find those options in the control panel. I wish I could go back to the previous graphical theme also for the mouse pointer |
| 19:07.38 | alesan^ | how do I disable the desktop effects - transparency, animations, shadows and so on? |
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| 19:07.52 | genstorm | gotta go, sry |
| 19:07.56 | alesan^ | bye! |
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| 19:09.00 | kafloopascope | alesan^, you can trigger krunner and start typing "effects" or go to system settings > desktop behavior > desktop effects |
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| 19:09.27 | alesan^ | I'll check |
| 19:10.12 | alesan^ | OK... do I have to disable them one by one? I thought there was a catch-all option to disable all desktop effects |
| 19:10.14 | kafloopascope | alesan^, some more stuff if you go to system settings > application style > window decorations > click on the gear on the breeze theme |
| 19:11.00 | alesan^ | I wish there was still the KDE2 theme :( the one I liked the most |
| 19:11.24 | kafloopascope | alesan^, I don't know, but you may disable a lot of effects if you disable the compositor (display and monitor > compositor) |
| 19:11.34 | alesan^ | oh maybe that is it :) |
| 19:11.41 | kafloopascope | did that theme have a name? maybe it's still around |
| 19:12.01 | alesan^ | I'll check |
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| 19:13.10 | abhishek | hi |
| 19:13.13 | kafloopascope | also, do you mean the qt theme (for applications) or the plasma theme (for panels)? |
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| 19:13.34 | abhishek | https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=137676 https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=130555 |
| 19:13.43 | alesan^ | kafloopascope, well, I am not sure I can really tell the difference. I mainly meant the window title theme |
| 19:13.48 | abhishek | Accessing recent folders in kde |
| 19:13.53 | alesan^ | but that might have other implications |
| 19:14.02 | abhishek | No dev responds. |
| 19:14.09 | abhishek | Please check. |
| 19:14.14 | kafloopascope | alesan^, ah, the "window decorations" then |
| 19:15.21 | lauritzt[m] | alesan^: That would be in App Style > Window Decorations. The old Oxygen theme may be in there. |
| 19:15.38 | alesan^ | kafloopascope, thank you very much I'll see if I can get an "add on" with the KDE2 theme, otherwise I will adapt to the new one |
| 19:16.21 | alesan^ | now, the important stuff :) how is it called, in KDE terms, the bar at the bottom of the main screen, that has the list of applications that are open, the K menu, the clock etc? |
| 19:16.37 | pepo_ | Panel |
| 19:16.40 | alesan^ | OK |
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| 19:17.04 | alesan^ | one of the most useful features of the "panel" is missing, that is an area with some icons to quickly launch an application without having to go through menus |
| 19:17.35 | alesan^ | I had browser, email, IRC buttons, konqueror FS window, and other |
| 19:17.52 | alesan^ | now that area is not there anymore... can you remind me if it's possible to get it back? |
| 19:18.08 | lauritzt[m] | Right-click > Show launcher when not running? |
| 19:18.31 | alesan^ | right click on what? the panel itself? |
| 19:18.47 | alesan^ | oh |
| 19:18.50 | lauritzt[m] | The application while it's open. |
| 19:18.55 | alesan^ | I see there is an option when right click on an app icon |
| 19:18.57 | alesan^ | yeah |
| 19:19.02 | alesan^ | well it's not really what I meant |
| 19:19.11 | alesan^ | this is an area with icons that are there no matter what |
| 19:19.22 | alesan^ | if I click it again, it will open a new browser window |
| 19:19.35 | lauritzt[m] | Right, but when you close the application there's a small icon. |
| 19:19.37 | alesan^ | or a new konqueror window etc |
| 19:20.16 | alesan^ | I mean if that is really not possible I will use that feature but if possible I'd like to have the "always on" kind of icon |
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| 19:20.31 | alesan^ | any idea how to look for it? I'm really new to this stuff. Thanks |
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| 19:20.43 | pepo_ | unlock widgets, then just drag apps from kicker to panel |
| 19:21.17 | demm | or right click the app from the menu > add to panel |
| 19:21.26 | alesan^ | I'll try |
| 19:21.35 | alesan^ | nice! |
| 19:21.39 | alesan^ | seems to work |
| 19:21.57 | demm | but the "always show" is a cleaner way imo |
| 19:22.22 | kafloopascope | is it possible to get dolphin to preview gimp xcf files? |
| 19:22.25 | demm | or better "sho when not running" |
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| 19:22.46 | alesan^ | no, I much prefer the always on thing |
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| 19:23.15 | alesan^ | :D thanks |
| 19:23.41 | alesan^ | OK one last thing I remember that this was weird to configure last time |
| 19:23.47 | pepo_ | kafloopascope, install kimageformats |
| 19:23.54 | alesan^ | but maybe it's me that is making it more complicated than it really is |
| 19:24.02 | kafloopascope | thanks pepo_ |
| 19:24.14 | pepo_ | kafloopascope, only works for gimp 2.x images, the new 3.x format is not documented |
| 19:26.03 | alesan^ | I like konqueror better than dolphin, to show local file system |
| 19:26.38 | alesan^ | oh it's there, no problem |
| 19:26.41 | alesan^ | yes |
| 19:27.17 | alesan^ | OK it seems pretty good now |
| 19:27.35 | alesan^ | I still see some distracting animations but I will probably fix those later |
| 19:27.38 | pepo_ | alesan^, as already indicated, it is VERY STRONGLY recommended to update to Plasma 5.8.x and Qt 5.6.2 from some additional repositories,. ask in a distri channel how to do it. |
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| 19:28.03 | alesan^ | pepo_, right now I just installed kubuntu 16.04 LTS |
| 19:28.24 | pepo_ | right... and it ships outdated KDE software |
| 19:28.29 | alesan^ | I understand this is not a kubuntu channel but... what do you suggest? mind I am not on the newest 16.10 short term support |
| 19:28.48 | genstorm | as I said, testing repo |
| 19:29.14 | genstorm | alesan^: kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-linux-mint-doing-plasma-5-8-testing/ |
| 19:29.21 | alesan^ | thanks! |
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| 19:30.52 | genstorm | when they get it done that should be a big win for everyone |
| 19:31.55 | alesan^ | I see |
| 19:32.14 | acheronuk | genstorm: plasma 5.8 was added to the main kubuntu backports ppa about an hr or 2 ago :) |
| 19:32.43 | alesan^ | wow the font in konsole is... really blurry |
| 19:32.46 | alesan^ | why is that |
| 19:32.56 | kafloopascope | alesan^, if you're interested, there's an ubuntu based distro called Maui that offers very recent KDE packages |
| 19:32.59 | alesan^ | even changing the size... it stays blurry |
| 19:33.14 | alesan^ | kafloopascope, Maui?? |
| 19:33.19 | genstorm | acheronuk: that's good |
| 19:33.25 | kafloopascope | http://mauilinux.org/ |
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| 19:33.44 | alesan^ | kafloopascope, I'd use a name like "Hamburg" for a KDE based distribution, not "Maui" ahah :) |
| 19:34.07 | alesan^ | ah |
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| 19:34.22 | alesan^ | where do I set thet if I double click on a window title it has to roll up |
| 19:34.38 | alesan^ | why KDE tries to mimick windows instead of Unix behavior :( |
| 19:34.51 | genstorm | define unix behaviour for a gui |
| 19:34.52 | alesan^ | OK found |
| 19:35.46 | alesan^ | genstorm, get a Sun workstation, that is unix behavour: focus under mouse, double click rolls up windows etc... anyway, I did not want to start a complain etc |
| 19:35.54 | alesan^ | sorry for the windows remark. |
| 19:36.35 | genstorm | that was neither standard behaviour in KDE3 nor KDE SC 4 |
| 19:37.36 | alesan^ | that mey very well be true, but I did not specify which KDE version started trying to emulate windows :) |
| 19:37.50 | alesan^ | anyway, it's OK, the option is changed with a simple option |
| 19:37.50 | pepo_ | alesan^, because 95% of users migrating to Unix are coming from Windows. |
| 19:38.08 | alesan^ | pepo_, good, time to show them a good UI ;) |
| 19:38.16 | alesan^ | just kidding do not worry |
| 19:38.30 | alesan^ | in fact I am pretty satisfied now, I need to do some work now that my PC is working again |
| 19:38.35 | alesan^ | thanks! |
| 19:38.56 | alesan^ | well I still have to figure out why konsole fonts are so blurry |
| 19:39.13 | alesan^ | but I cna do that a little later |
| 19:39.23 | pepo_ | try changing fonts in konsole and font options in systemsettings |
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| 19:40.11 | alesan^ | the actual font does not seem to be bad... it is just blurry. I will try with those settings. |
| 19:40.22 | alesan^ | see, 90% of my work is done in a konsole with 13 tabs open |
| 19:40.29 | alesan^ | then I also use firefox and thunderbird a bit |
| 19:40.40 | alesan^ | and IRC :) |
| 19:40.46 | alesan^ | but konsole is really important |
| 19:40.50 | pepo_ | you cannot do work in IRC :P |
| 19:41.01 | alesan^ | it's basically the reason I love KDE |
| 19:41.14 | alesan^ | pepo_, well sometimes maybe :) |
| 19:45.32 | Sho_ | :) |
| 19:46.00 | genstorm | yakuake <3 |
| 19:47.51 | kafloopascope | genstorm, yakuake killer, imo: http://hastebin.com/hixogibeqo |
| 19:49.05 | Sho_ | well, Yakuake does a fair number of things that won't do (and it also doesn't work on Wayland) :) |
| 19:49.14 | Sho_ | but it's fine if it floats your boat |
| 19:50.34 | kafloopascope | Sho_, yeah, that's one of the things I'm not looking forward to with wayland. That'll break, maybe xmodmap will break, all my scripts using xclip will break, etc. |
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| 19:50.44 | Sho_ | yeah :( |
| 19:51.35 | pepo_ | sending keys won't work... I use gestures that map to keys a lot |
| 19:52.01 | Sho_ | actually that can work |
| 19:52.06 | kafloopascope | Sho_, also worth noting that this solution does some things yakuake won't do -- most importantly for me, lets me change the font size without using a mouse, instantly and with live feedback. |
| 19:52.13 | Sho_ | there's a wayland protocol for text input |
| 19:52.15 | Sho_ | (used e.g. by IMEs) |
| 19:52.39 | Sho_ | kafloopascope: ah |
| 19:52.49 | pepo_ | that won't work for global keys I guess |
| 19:52.57 | Sho_ | yeah, I need to fix Konsole's KPart so that works in Yakuake |
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| 20:00.30 | daud_config | Hello, I am new can someone help me to get me started |
| 20:00.44 | genstorm | what with? |
| 20:02.05 | daud_config | I have read developer page. How to contribute?? |
| 20:02.18 | daud_config | I am totally a newbie |
| 20:03.35 | genstorm | daud_config: did you read https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved ? |
| 20:03.59 | daud_config | Yes |
| 20:04.52 | genstorm | and did you read https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/development ? |
| 20:05.40 | daud_config | Yes |
| 20:05.45 | genstorm | because if, you should alrady be able to ask a more specific question |
| 20:07.55 | daud_config | Guide me further from what am i supposed to do |
| 20:08.07 | genstorm | what do you want to do? |
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| 20:09.00 | daud_config | ASking about Written on that page? |
| 20:09.06 | daud_config | Sure DEvelopment' |
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| 20:09.23 | genstorm | well, you didn't tell yet |
| 20:09.33 | genstorm | you can contribute in many ways |
| 20:11.13 | genstorm | now if programming is what you want to do, you usually start with some itch you need to scratch in your favourite application, get the code, and fix it |
| 20:12.15 | genstorm | if you need to find an itch to scratch, because everything you use from KDE is perfect already, then search in bugzilla for bugs that other people are experiencing |
| 20:12.30 | genstorm | or junior jobs |
| 20:12.54 | daud_config | https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&keywords=junior-jobs&list_id=1340815 |
| 20:13.05 | daud_config | Here?? THanks |
| 20:14.10 | kafloopascope | while scrolling with my trackpad is fine in some places (dolphin, settings>input>touchpad>testarea), it's painfully ineffective in others (settings>desktop behavior>effects, settings>application style>window decorations). what's up with that? |
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| 20:18.38 | kafloopascope | are those areas expected to scroll according to the same rules? |
| 20:18.53 | kafloopascope | or do they use separate configurations? |
| 20:19.37 | Zren | Anyone setuo yakuake at the bottom of the screen? |
| 20:20.13 | Zren | I just setup a kwin rule to force the position + 0ms animation, but the title bar is still below. |
| 20:20.51 | kafloopascope | below? |
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| 20:21.31 | Zren | bottom of the screen* |
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| 20:22.33 | kafloopascope | the titlebar is below the bottom of the screen? as in the whole window is off-screen? |
| 20:23.45 | Zren | kafloopascope, https://i.imgur.com/dOhG1bW.png Titlebar on top possible? |
| 20:24.31 | Sho_ | âkafloopascopeâ: It's a bug in Qt |
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| 20:25.15 | kafloopascope | Zren, that's crazy. I didn't know titlebars could even be on the bottom of windows, and also it looks like that one window is using a totally different window decoration theme than all the others |
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| 20:25.56 | Zren | kafloopascope, it's not the kwin titlebar |
| 20:26.05 | Sho_ | His screenshot is of Yakuake, which doesn't use regular decos |
| 20:26.23 | Zren | it's part of the skin (and made to look like it. |
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| 20:30.08 | kafloopascope | can you disable that skin's fake titlebar completely, and then force the kwin one to show? |
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| 20:31.27 | kafloopascope | that bottom bar, with any skin, was another reason I left yakuake . . . |
| 20:32.04 | kafloopascope | I guess you'd lose access to the menu |
| 20:32.11 | Zren | hum, looks like there are titlebar-less skins |
| 20:32.38 | Zren | but yeah, not sure what the shortcut for the config menu is |
| 20:33.07 | Sho_ | The completelty-rewritten Yakuake 4.0 will have a much more flexible theming system where titlebar-less themes are not a hack fwiw |
| 20:33.52 | Zren | I'm guessing titlebar less skins have pngs with height of 0/1px? |
| 20:34.05 | Sho_ | Yeah, something like that |
| 20:34.29 | Sho_ | In the old theming system, there's a baked-in idea of having two bars and what items go into each bar is fixed |
| 20:34.38 | Zren | set the config window shortcut to f1 |
| 20:34.42 | Sho_ | there's no such restrictions in the new one |
| 20:34.43 | Zren | hopes he remembers that |
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| 20:38.40 | kafloopascope | I know yakuake has fancy splitting behavior -- is there anything else I'm missing out on by just configuring konsole to act as a "quake-style"? http://hastebin.com/eturemetev.bash (added kwin config images since last time) |
| 20:41.03 | Sho_ | It works on Wayland, it has a somewhat different scripting API, it can auto-close when it loses focus, it can pop up on the screen the cursor is on, it can pop up when you hit the screen edge, it has focus follows mouse for splits, it has input locking, per-tab closing protection and theming |
| 20:41.58 | Sho_ | (are you the guy who goes around every reddit thread about yakuake to post this script, too? :) |
| 20:43.03 | kafloopascope | yeah I'm the same jerk. that stuff sounds cool (for those who want those things), thanks for letting me know. I swear I do it to help people. |
| 20:43.20 | Sho_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/573g1m/resurrecting_yakuake/d8q2u2j/ |
| 20:43.36 | Sho_ | I mean I've let you know before, but I guess you conveniently forgot in context of your mission here or something |
| 20:44.15 | Sho_ | but I get it, everybody likes pushing their stuff ... |
| 20:44.17 | kafloopascope | your comments here were more specific about the features, I didn't know those things |
| 20:45.01 | kafloopascope | I didn't store "sophisticated focus handling" or " many more window management-related features " in my brain because they didn't mean anything specific to me |
| 20:45.49 | kafloopascope | Is there a better / more efficient / scriptable way to change the hide/show policy of a panel other than one right click followed by 5 left clicks? |
| 20:45.56 | Sho_ | It's not much of a competition in any case, since Konsole is virtually developer/maintainer-less at this point and I need to fix various things in there so the scripted-Konsole way will improve along the same lines |
| 20:46.18 | Sho_ | we need more app devs :/ |
| 20:46.47 | Sho_ | there's a scriptable way, yeah |
| 20:46.56 | Sho_ | check out the plasma scripting tutorial on techbase |
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| 20:47.29 | kafloopascope | thanks |
| 20:47.34 | Sho_ | actually it's on userbase now for some reason, https://userbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting |
| 20:48.12 | Sho_ | see panelById there and the 'hiding' prop |
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| 20:49.22 | Sho_ | and the /PlasmaShell evaluateScript() dbus method to pass it in |
| 20:49.37 | Sho_ | (other than using the interactive console) |
| 20:50.16 | Sho_ | I also once wrote a plasmoid you could place in a panel to then show/hide it by using the applet's shortcut, that was pretty cute |
| 20:50.18 | momken_ | Hi |
| 20:50.30 | momken_ | I have a laptop with intel 3320m cpu |
| 20:50.43 | momken_ | And it only uses the integrated intel gpu |
| 20:50.46 | kafloopascope | Sho_, ooh, is that still around? I couldn't find one like that |
| 20:50.59 | momken_ | Is intel gpu fast enough to run KDE seamlessly? |
| 20:51.13 | momken_ | I want to use Kubuntu 16.04.1 |
| 20:51.35 | lauritzt[m] | momken_: What OS/DE does it run currently? |
| 20:52.12 | genstorm | momken_: running Plasma-5 on a C2Duo L9400 if that answers your question |
| 20:52.28 | lauritzt[m] | momken_: Nevermind, that should be fine. |
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| 20:53.37 | Zren | Sho_, Does evaluateScript() still require the widgets to be unlocked? |
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| 20:56.17 | momken_ | genstorm, So you are running KDE5 on a Core2Due machine fine? weird |
| 20:56.29 | genstorm | Plasma-5 |
| 20:56.45 | genstorm | also, that's a low-voltage 1.86GHz part |
| 20:57.36 | genstorm | and I daresay it beats Plasma-4 performance-wise |
| 20:57.41 | momken_ | Anyway I have a core i-5 3320m on laptop with integrated intel gpu, and a core2quad Q9550 with a dedicated nvidia gpu on my desktop PC |
| 20:58.38 | momken_ | genstorm, Hmmm. Yeah, I have bad experience with Plasma4. It was heavy, slow and with many slow animations |
| 20:59.04 | momken_ | P.S. Both my systems have ssd. I hope it speed things up |
| 20:59.32 | momken_ | But because Plasma-5 uses much more gpu than Plasma-4, I fear the intel gpu be not enough |
| 20:59.52 | genstorm | if it works with mine... |
| 21:00.12 | momken_ | genstorm, But you have a dedicated gpu, don't you? |
| 21:00.16 | genstorm | hell no |
| 21:00.42 | genstorm | that thinkpad comes from an era when self-respecting subnotebooks did not come with dedicated gpus |
| 21:01.24 | genstorm | it barely lifts fullhd videos |
| 21:02.18 | momken_ | genstorm, Oh, so interesting. And you have no issue in animations and other rendering things of KDE5? |
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| 21:02.25 | genstorm | no issue with Plasma-5 |
| 21:02.58 | Zren | Yep, kwin scripts called from dbus still require the widgets to be unlocked, rather than system locked... |
| 21:03.09 | Zren | https://github.com/KDE/plasma-workspace/blob/master/shell/shellcorona.cpp#L1410 |
| 21:03.23 | kafloopascope | but can I just unlock the widgets in the script? |
| 21:03.36 | kafloopascope | oh, this isn't a kwin script anyway |
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| 21:16.39 | kafloopascope | If anyone knows javascript, feel free to give me a hint here: http://hastebin.com/onaviqawur.pl |
| 21:18.00 | momken_ | Just another question. What dark theme do you recommend for KDE/Plasma5? |
| 21:18.36 | momken_ | Breeze dark is not bad, but on my laptop its dark blue colors seem shaded and not clear enough |
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| 21:20.15 | momken_ | I tested Zion color scheme, but anyway it is not a full theme. I had to manually tweak every setting to a have dark high-contrast working theme on KDE/Plasma 5 |
| 21:22.22 | momken_ | I have the same problem with Xfce and after many tweakings, xfce still doesn't show all colors correctly (for example sometime black text on black background!) |
| 21:22.50 | momken_ | I wish there was a simple solution for a dark high contrast theme |
| 21:23.41 | kafloopascope | momken_, fwiw I've committed to "dim" themes rather than dark themes. Dark enough to not blind me, but just light enough that dark text and icons are still clear |
| 21:26.04 | momken_ | kafloopascope, That is a good strategy too, but some of my displays are so crappy that even a text on dim theme is still hard to read. A real high contrast theme is very easy to read and still good for eye on long readings |
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| 21:29.34 | kafloopascope | yeah my scheme isn't even really high contrast. And I think everyone but me thinks it's ugly. But if you want to see it anyway, http://i.imgur.com/7qp1n90.png -- http://hastebin.com/tuxoxerinu |
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| 21:34.28 | kafloopascope | so it looks like zren was right, and if I can't unlock widgets in the script, the script is useless |
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| 21:43.59 | HelloAtMega | Hi |
| 21:44.14 | kafloopascope | even with widgets unlocked, this is the closest I'm getting today: http://hastebin.com/wiyacivoru.pl |
| 21:44.19 | kafloopascope | gotta run |
| 21:44.38 | HelloAtMega | Is it possible to change a certain window to another TAB (not sure how to call it) |
| 21:44.39 | HelloAtMega | ? |
| 21:44.54 | HelloAtMega | I have the default 4 applications |
| 21:45.13 | HelloAtMega | General, Search and Laungh and 2 more |
| 21:45.37 | HelloAtMega | and I want to split my onpened windows for those 4 applications/desktops/whatever |
| 21:46.30 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: Activities? Virtual desktops? (KDE has both concepts, which can be confusing) |
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| 21:48.27 | HelloAtMega | FLHerne: ah ok |
| 21:48.29 | HelloAtMega | well |
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| 21:48.36 | HelloAtMega | that is exactly what I wanted |
| 21:48.47 | HelloAtMega | to divide my opened windows for several desktops |
| 21:49.00 | HelloAtMega | Where can I find VirtualDesktops? |
| 21:49.11 | HelloAtMega | I'm new to KDE |
| 21:49.20 | HelloAtMega | I'm trying KDE but I was a Gnome user |
| 21:49.25 | HelloAtMega | so, I'm kinda lost |
| 21:49.43 | HelloAtMega | and almost going back to Gnome if I can't find a way to setup KDE that I like |
| 21:49.54 | HelloAtMega | I usually need 3 desktops |
| 21:50.11 | HelloAtMega | and need to have one Chrome window opened in each Desktop |
| 21:50.26 | HelloAtMega | and each of that Chrome window usally has about 15 or 20 tabs opened |
| 21:50.32 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: There's a desktop pager widget that you can put in the taskbar (or just on the desktop if you prefer) |
| 21:50.55 | FLHerne | I'm not sure if it's there by default - looks like a line or grid of rectangles |
| 21:51.48 | FLHerne | You can set the number and name of virtual desktops in SystemSettings -> Desktop Behaviour -> Virtual Desktops |
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| 21:52.17 | HelloAtMega | Let me look |
| 21:52.52 | HelloAtMega | I only have: |
| 21:52.56 | FLHerne | Also, in SystemSettings -> Desktop Behaviour -> Screen Edges, you can enable dragging windows between desktops by holding at the edge of the display |
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| 21:53.20 | FLHerne | Or various zoom-out effects to look at them all simultaneously |
| 21:53.37 | HelloAtMega | Desktop Effects, Workspace Appearence, Accesssibility, Default Applications, Window Behaviour, Workspace Behaviour |
| 21:54.04 | HelloAtMega | I don't have a Desktop Behaviour |
| 21:54.06 | HelloAtMega | menu |
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| 21:54.52 | HelloAtMega | Ok, I found Virtual Desktops |
| 21:54.58 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: What version are you using? The settings got tidied up a lot in 5.2 (5.4?)ish |
| 21:55.10 | FLHerne | I think it's under Workspace Behaviour before |
| 21:55.17 | HelloAtMega | Where can I see the Version? |
| 21:55.22 | HelloAtMega | probably the old one |
| 21:55.29 | HelloAtMega | It was in WorkSpace Behaviour |
| 21:55.43 | HelloAtMega | it's the repos version I installed |
| 21:55.49 | HelloAtMega | I'm using Debian Jessie |
| 21:56.04 | FLHerne | In settings, Help -> About SystemSettings -> Version |
| 21:56.32 | FLHerne | Oh, Debian always have ancient stuff :-( |
| 21:57.07 | HelloAtMega | 4.14.2 |
| 21:57.30 | FLHerne | Yeah, that's years out of date :-/ |
| 21:57.32 | HelloAtMega | I like the look of KDE but it's really different from Gnome |
| 21:57.48 | HelloAtMega | Well, is there an easy way of getting a newer version? |
| 21:58.18 | FLHerne | On Debian? Probably not, *everything* on Debian is so ancient that you run into broken dependencies everywhere |
| 21:58.30 | FLHerne | Try OpenSUSE Leap :-) |
| 21:59.33 | HelloAtMega | I can't just change my S from night to day |
| 21:59.38 | HelloAtMega | SO |
| 21:59.51 | HelloAtMega | but you're right about broken packages |
| 22:00.00 | HelloAtMega | OMG, you can't imagine my torture someitmes |
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| 22:00.28 | HelloAtMega | OMG, you can't imagine my torture someitmes |
| 22:00.32 | HelloAtMega | but you're right about broken packages |
| 22:00.46 | HelloAtMega | Ok, but I have a couple more questions |
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| 22:00.53 | HelloAtMega | What are Activities used for? |
| 22:01.09 | georgios | hello. i installed kde connect on my tablet but i cannot make it receive files in the sdcard. the internal space is lacking |
| 22:02.18 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: The idea is that you group applications by workflow (e.g. one for coding, one for browsing) |
| 22:02.37 | FLHerne | And can setup different layouts/widgets/whatever per activity |
| 22:02.54 | FLHerne | TBH, I don't use them normally, ask someone else ;-) |
| 22:03.29 | HelloAtMega | Ok, looks like Activities are just the same as Virtual Desktops, but with the possibility of more fine tunning according our needs |
| 22:03.36 | HelloAtMega | https://askubuntu.com/questions/253990/what-is-a-activity-in-kde-and-what-can-i-do-with-it |
| 22:04.19 | HelloAtMega | I just couldn't find a way of sending to different Activities my 3 Chrome windows |
| 22:04.23 | HelloAtMega | I just couldn't |
| 22:04.30 | HelloAtMega | dragging didn't worked |
| 22:04.57 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: If you want to drag windows around, you want virtual desktops |
| 22:04.59 | HelloAtMega | also right clicking in the window also doesn't have any ,menu to "move window to Activity X" |
| 22:05.06 | HelloAtMega | yeah |
| 22:05.12 | HelloAtMega | Already set 3 Desktops |
| 22:07.18 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: If you just have lots of fullscreen windows, alt-tab might be easiest :P |
| 22:09.12 | HelloAtMega | yeah, that one I know |
| 22:10.15 | HelloAtMega | ok, more questions |
| 22:10.41 | HelloAtMega | Doesn't KDE has a menu where we can see the Wireless networks available? |
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| 22:14.30 | FLHerne | Yes, there's a widget for that |
| 22:15.23 | FLHerne | Any sane distro would put the networking widget in the panel by default |
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| 22:15.37 | FLHerne | doesn't necessarily assume that of Debian |
| 22:16.09 | FLHerne | It's a good server OS (my email lives on Jessie), but they really are not good at desktop experience |
| 22:19.57 | HelloAtMega | heheh |
| 22:20.05 | HelloAtMega | I can only find network definitions |
| 22:20.25 | lauritzt[m] | Bo |
| 22:20.53 | lauritzt[m] | HelloAtMega: Bottom-left, there should be a networking icon |
| 22:22.23 | lauritzt[m] | You can also right-click on the desktop, add widgets and drag Networks on to the desktop. |
| 22:23.11 | lauritzt[m] | Bottom-right* |
| 22:23.37 | HelloAtMega | Can't find anythin on bottom left corner like that |
| 22:23.47 | HelloAtMega | Only the KDE main menu button |
| 22:24.06 | HelloAtMega | and a shortcut for File Manager |
| 22:24.06 | lauritzt[m] | Sorry, meant bottom right |
| 22:24.29 | HelloAtMega | No, I don't have nothing related with networks |
| 22:24.42 | HelloAtMega | I have: |
| 22:24.45 | genstorm | did you install some kind of minimal plasma environment? |
| 22:24.59 | HelloAtMega | I installed kde-plasma-desktop package |
| 22:25.26 | lauritzt[m] | HelloAtMega: On what distro? |
| 22:25.32 | HelloAtMega | Debian Jessie |
| 22:25.48 | HelloAtMega | I have in bottom right: |
| 22:27.25 | HelloAtMega | Activities (3 small colored dots), Virtual Desktops, Skype, Chrome TaskButton, PSensors, Arduino, TeamViewer, Clipboard contents, Notifications, USB devices connected and the Watch/Clock |
| 22:28.02 | HelloAtMega | There is one more which is WorkSpaces (gives access to a bar of configurations) |
| 22:28.12 | lauritzt[m] | Is there a small arrow? |
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| 22:29.55 | HelloAtMega | Yes, after clicking on it it shows Notifications and USB devices connected |
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| 22:31.34 | lauritzt[m] | After looking at the debian wiki, you probably need to install plasma-widget-networkmanagement. |
| 22:31.44 | HelloAtMega | ok, let me try |
| 22:32.13 | Zren | Make a Soda Dark theme for yakuake https://i.imgur.com/Lhn1pgM.png |
| 22:32.17 | lauritzt[m] | You may also want to install kde-standard, kde-plasma-desktop is very minimal |
| 22:32.33 | HelloAtMega | ok |
| 22:39.17 | HelloAtMega | Going to reboot |
| 22:41.11 | zuiss1 | does anyone here use konqueror. i can't uninstall it from debian without uninstalling all of kde |
| 22:41.45 | zuiss1 | just wondering why people use that instead of firefox as a web browser |
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| 22:44.11 | genstorm | it's a KDE Application using Qt |
| 22:44.20 | genstorm | Qupzilla is a good alternative |
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| 22:45.18 | genstorm | zuiss1: you can't uninstall because you are relying on meta package from Debian pulling in all of KDE Applications |
| 22:45.40 | genstorm | if you do it all yourself, you can pick as you wish |
| 22:46.21 | zuiss1 | i prefer to use dolphin for a file manager and firefox for browser |
| 22:46.29 | genstorm | me too |
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| 23:00.35 | FLHerne | zuiss1: Konqueror is pretty cool |
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| 23:02.40 | zuiss1 | i just wonder about security of browsing with it since firefox gets monthly releases and the changelog always has a lot of security fixes |
| 23:03.20 | FLHerne | Personally, I don't need a web-browser that's also a file manager and a PDF viewer and a text editor and a simple image editor and a terminal and a disk-space analyzer and a difftool |
| 23:03.41 | FLHerne | zuiss1: Konqueror 16.12 came out literally yesterday |
| 23:04.06 | FLHerne | (using QtWebengine 5.7 and an awful lot of security fixes) |
| 23:04.12 | zuiss1 | cool |
| 23:04.33 | zuiss1 | i was reading about it |
| 23:04.39 | zuiss1 | they ported it to qt5 or something |
| 23:04.40 | FLHerne | No idea what Debian have, but I suspect it's something ridiculously ancient and insecure |
| 23:05.00 | zuiss1 | i doubt it's insecure since debian stable has a good sercurity team |
| 23:05.09 | zuiss1 | even if the software is old it gets backported security fixes |
| 23:05.20 | genstorm | if there are security fixes |
| 23:05.26 | genstorm | and if they are labeled as such |
| 23:05.37 | genstorm | which is often not the case |
| 23:06.33 | genstorm | LTS can only do so much, they can't run upstream on their own, so don't expect wonders |
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| 23:11.14 | genstorm | zuiss1: if you're interested: https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/02/01/on-webkit-security-updates/ |
| 23:12.33 | FLHerne | zuiss1: Backporting fixes for browsers is basically impossible |
| 23:12.34 | zuiss1 | interesting |
| 23:13.03 | zuiss1 | FLHerne: i'm using firefox 50.1.0 in debian stable |
| 23:13.07 | FLHerne | They're just too complicated - just about *everything* is security-sensitive, and it's all tied together |
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| 23:13.12 | zuiss1 | as far as i know that's the latest stable release of firefox |
| 23:13.19 | zuiss1 | i was referring to other software, not the browser |
| 23:13.23 | genstorm | it is |
| 23:14.06 | zuiss1 | the browser is secure in debian out of the box since it installs the ESR release of firefox and keeps it up to date. but it's easy to install firefox release too |
| 23:14.21 | zuiss1 | from mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:14.37 | FLHerne | zuiss1: And yet Jessie still has Konqueror 4.14, using some ancient version of QtWebkit that probably has dozens of known remote vulnerabilities |
| 23:15.12 | genstorm | FLHerne: sure it is QtWebkit and not HTML, the grandfather of them all? ;) |
| 23:15.21 | genstorm | *KHTML |
| 23:16.14 | FLHerne | genstorm: Depends kpart-webkit, I'm pretty sure they're using that by default |
| 23:16.24 | FLHerne | Using qtwebkit 2.2.1 |
| 23:16.27 | FLHerne | From _2012_ |
| 23:16.32 | FLHerne | Seriously |
| 23:18.15 | zuiss1 | well i guess that's all the more reason to use firefox unless you use a bleeding edge distro |
| 23:18.18 | FLHerne | Hm, the page I'm looking at now says 2.3.4 |
| 23:18.28 | FLHerne | Only mid-2014, then |
| 23:18.30 | genstorm | zuiss1: note that even using ESRs from upstream, you do not get all security fixes from the latest release |
| 23:20.21 | genstorm | as the gap between head and ESR branch widens, it becomes just too expensive to backport some things through all the changes |
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| 23:49.52 | HelloAtMega | FLHerne: is it possible to create a bar where I can have my "Most Used" applications? |
| 23:50.58 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: Yes |
| 23:51.07 | lauritzt[m] | You can drag from the application launcher on to the panel. |
| 23:51.08 | FLHerne | Just drag the icons from the menu onto a panel |
| 23:51.26 | FLHerne | (you can add extra panels on arbitrary bits of screen edge) |
| 23:51.40 | Aristide | Hello ! I have problem with KDE, I can't write ê (^ can't be writed), but only in KDE Apps, in Libreoffice and several GTK app its work |
| 23:52.42 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: Or just press alt-f2 and start typing |
| 23:52.49 | lauritzt[m] | Aristide: What keyboard layout are you using, and what distro? |
| 23:53.05 | Aristide | Hello lauritzt[m] |
| 23:53.06 | HelloAtMega | Where are those panels located? |
| 23:53.28 | Aristide | I use AZERTY keyboard, and I have try all french layout settings into KDE |
| 23:53.29 | lauritzt[m] | HelloAtMega: At the bottom (or you can make a new one) |
| 23:53.36 | Aristide | And I use KDE Neon |
| 23:54.01 | lauritzt[m] | Aristide: What happens? Just a normal e? |
| 23:54.20 | Aristide | Yes I can't write ^ on Keyboard |
| 23:54.28 | Aristide | When I press ^, do nothing |
| 23:54.36 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: By default, you have a big one stuck to the bottom as a task/status bar |
| 23:54.42 | Aristide | But into Libreoffice its work |
| 23:55.20 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: KDE is pretty configurable, the taskbar, status stuff, menu launcher etc are just widgets that live in a panel |
| 23:55.39 | FLHerne | HelloAtMega: So you can put panels wherever, and then choose what to put in them |
| 23:56.25 | lauritzt[m] | Aristide: Can you type a ^ without a letter (double-press)? |
| 23:56.31 | HelloAtMega | I have already mess up something |
| 23:56.33 | Aristide | No |
| 23:56.38 | HelloAtMega | xD |
| 23:57.13 | HelloAtMega | Ok, I managed to get things again in the default place |
| 23:57.35 | Aristide | If I use alternative eliminate dead keys I can write ^ but not with e lol |
| 23:57.36 | Aristide | Wait |
| 23:57.44 | *** join/#kde fhdrin (~fhdrin@136.0.16.230) |
| 23:58.21 | Aristide | Yes, If I choose eliminate deadkey, I can write ^ but not with ^ |
| 23:58.26 | Aristide | but not with e* |
