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| 02:29.23 | Aranjedeath | desired enhancement: the new little avatar picker in 5.9.0 is cool but it doesn't appear to have a tool to crop the image you pick locally so it looks right around the desktop |
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| 02:58.39 | kishore96 | Does kate have an autosave feature? It seems like a really basic feature, but I can't find anything in the settings. |
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| 03:31.20 | d42 | http://i.imgur.com/ObHTjsV.png |
| 03:31.24 | d42 | how do i debug this :v |
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| 03:35.23 | thiago | if it were C++, I could give you some hints |
| 03:35.25 | thiago | it's not |
| 03:37.38 | d42 | file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.digitalclock/contents/ui/Tooltip.qml:62: TypeError: Cannot read property 'Timezone Abbreviation' of undefined |
| 03:37.39 | d42 | \:D/ |
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| 03:39.31 | blndidiot | Hey.. I was testing out the global menubar in 5.9 and I created the Application Menu widget and accidentally dropped into my normal taskbar. I see no way whatsoever to remove it.. any ideas? |
| 03:40.15 | blndidiot | I can't drag it out of the taskbar, right-clicking doesn't provide any removal options.. not sure what else to do |
| 03:41.01 | d42 | blndidiot: click hamburger menu and then drag it? :v |
| 03:41.41 | d42 | hamburger button, even ,_, |
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| 03:46.40 | d42 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Feb 3 23:35 localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Region/City |
| 03:46.42 | d42 | i see |
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| 04:09.32 | kishore96 | Does the global menu not work with qt4 and gtk apps? It seems to work only for qt5 apps. :-( |
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| 06:59.02 | Aranjedeath | hmm, also new avatar menu does not ... populate new avatar out to places it shows up. I just updated mine and it now shows default one in start menu |
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| 07:22.53 | physkets | Hi! how do I disable the Ctrl+q shortcut? I close tabs with Ctrl+w, and every now-and -then endup closing the browser. It is very irritating. |
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| 07:36.40 | Yoann | bonjour, aidez moi !! |
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| 07:59.21 | ShalokShalom_ | kishore96: qt4 is deprecated and its developement stops years ago |
| 07:59.39 | ShalokShalom_ | all the important apps are already ported to Qt5 |
| 07:59.44 | ShalokShalom_ | imho |
| 07:59.51 | kishore96 | So the appmenu won't work with qt4? |
| 08:00.17 | kishore96 | Still haven't been able to find a qt5 dcpp client. xD |
| 08:00.39 | kishore96 | What about gtk apps? Are there any efforts to make them able to use the appmenu? |
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| 08:11.43 | ShalokShalom_ | kishore96: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/eiskaltdcpp-qt-git/ |
| 08:12.24 | kishore96 | ShalokShalom_: Eiskalt has been ported to qt5? AFAIK, it's still on qt4! |
| 08:12.29 | ShalokShalom_ | from where did you get the global menu? |
| 08:12.32 | ShalokShalom_ | you see? |
| 08:12.41 | ShalokShalom | its the Git version |
| 08:12.52 | ShalokShalom | so probably simply not adopted from your distro |
| 08:13.23 | ShalokShalom | i guess hard, that GTK apps are planned |
| 08:13.24 | kishore96 | Oh. For some reason, I didn't think to look for the git package. Thanks. |
| 08:13.34 | ShalokShalom | maybe is Qt4 also supposed to work with |
| 08:14.13 | kishore96 | The global menu is there as a plasmoid in 5.9. |
| 08:15.28 | ShalokShalom | yep |
| 08:15.37 | ShalokShalom | preinstalled in your case? |
| 08:16.00 | kishore96 | Added it like any other plasmoid. Not exactly sure what you're asking me. |
| 08:16.13 | ShalokShalom | if you installed it from somewhere? |
| 08:16.24 | ShalokShalom | and does it come with your update? |
| 08:16.24 | kishore96 | No. It appeared after the 5.9 update. |
| 08:16.28 | ShalokShalom | i see |
| 08:16.32 | ShalokShalom | maybe translated here.. |
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| 09:40.56 | troffasky | anyone else find that konsole occasionally fails to redraw properly with opengl3 compositor backend? |
| 09:41.51 | troffasky | Firefox was having the same problem with xrender backend |
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| 09:42.20 | troffasky | with compositor disabled, graphics are a lot slower |
| 09:43.35 | troffasky | gah, why do i have to enter a captcha to look at KDE wiki? :-S |
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| 09:48.43 | einar77 | troffasky: due to a massive spam attack last year |
| 09:49.01 | einar77 | (and not automated, actual humans filling lots of pages) |
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| 09:50.48 | troffasky | i don't want to edit it, just look at it |
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| 09:54.23 | troffasky | don't see how a captcha is going to stop actual humans filling pages, either - the point of a captcha is that's solvable by humans! |
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| 11:16.57 | Safa_[A_Boy] | Hello. I wonder why the expander in the system tray moved from left edge to right edge in Plasma 5.9...? https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.9/plasma-5.9-wee.png |
| 11:18.23 | Safa_[A_Boy] | Or not..? Sorry, seems that it had to be like this in Plasma 5.8 (using a RTL layout) |
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| 11:29.44 | rahulnitdgp | How to start contributing to kde? |
| 11:34.06 | Safa_[A_Boy] | rahulnitdgp: You can start by reading this :) https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved |
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| 11:45.31 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 11:57.47 | rahulnitdgp | Which project will be suitable for me as I am a beginner? |
| 11:59.17 | asturm | rahulnitdgp: usually you find something wrong with one of your regularly used apps and try to fix it. if you don't experience any bugs, you can have a look at the junior jobs in bugzie |
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| 12:08.19 | zorael | Is there any way to set fixed tray icon size other than to manually edit the system-wide /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/*systemtray/contents/main.xml? It gets reset on packae upgrades. (Arch) |
| 12:08.45 | zorael | This is from following the arch wiki entry on hidpi; https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Tray_icons_with_fixed_size |
| 12:09.33 | Fuchs | zorael: it is based on font size, however, if you prefer to overwrite that, you can create a copy (maybe name it differently) of that in your local plasmoids folder (~/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids) and use that, that won't get overwritten (on the other hand you also won't get any updates, so ...) |
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| 12:12.35 | zorael | Fuchs: so https://i.imgur.com/i99V9SV.png is because my font size is too low? And regarding the local folder, I see, might try that |
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| 12:13.15 | rahulnitdgp | In "git clone https://anongit.kde.org/<repository-name>.git" which repository name I have to write? |
| 12:13.18 | Fuchs | zorael: might be, I haven't experimented with high dpi monitors yet. The above should work, mind |
| 12:13.47 | zorael | Fuchs: all right, thanks :3 |
| 12:13.57 | Fuchs | you're welcome :) |
| 12:13.58 | asturm | rahulnitdgp: the one you want |
| 12:14.20 | Fuchs | zorael: I'd still report a bug to get it fixed upstream, mind |
| 12:14.38 | Fuchs | because as said, if you decide to use a local copy, you won't get any updates for that plasmoid (including bugfixes) |
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| 12:15.01 | Fuchs | zorael: unfortunately I don't know arch that well, but with gentoo you can define a local patch for any package, if arch offers something similar, you could do that instead |
| 12:15.10 | Fuchs | (so it patches the qml every time it gets installed) |
| 12:15.33 | Fuchs | also out of interest, what is that top symbol? |
| 12:15.58 | zorael | I don't think Arch has anything like that, except if I build the package manually of course (and set up some post-install script) |
| 12:16.03 | zorael | Discord |
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| 12:18.11 | redeyedman_ | hi |
| 12:18.34 | zorael | Fuchs: what product should I pick? plasmashell? |
| 12:18.39 | rahulnitdgp | Where can I get all the repositories? |
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| 12:18.43 | Fuchs | zorael: yes |
| 12:18.59 | Fuchs | rahulnitdgp: https://cgit.kde.org/ |
| 12:19.32 | redeyedman_ | dolphin freezes for 60 second at startup |
| 12:19.43 | redeyedman_ | how to fix it? |
| 12:20.04 | redeyedman_ | I don't see any error message |
| 12:20.23 | Fuchs | redeyedman_: you could try debugging it with strace or the likes |
| 12:20.27 | Fuchs | to see where it is stuck |
| 12:21.06 | redeyedman_ | dolphin 16.12.1 |
| 12:22.14 | redeyedman_ | I disabled thumbnails but it isn't related to them |
| 12:22.17 | redeyedman_ | ok |
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| 12:43.51 | redeyedman_ | QProcess: Destroyed while process ("net") is still running. |
| 12:44.42 | redeyedman_ | looks like freezeing is related to KSambaSharePrivate::getNetUserShareInfo |
| 12:45.12 | redeyedman_ | so, dolphin just call it |
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| 13:24.16 | rahulnitdgp | How should I choose a repository from https://cgit.kde.org/ |
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| 13:30.45 | FLHerne | rahulnitdgp: Which code do you want? |
| 13:31.47 | FLHerne | rahulnitdgp: Are you new to programming, or just to KDE/open-source stuff? |
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| 13:37.04 | rahulnitdgp | I am new to KDE |
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| 13:37.20 | rahulnitdgp | I want to contribute to KDE. |
| 13:38.18 | rahulnitdgp | FLHerne: So, Please tell which repository should I choose as a beginner? |
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| 13:38.48 | FLHerne | rahulnitdgp: KTextEditor has quite a few things that might be interesting |
| 13:38.55 | FLHerne | (and people to poke) |
| 13:40.00 | FLHerne | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371235 is at least easy to reproduce |
| 13:40.34 | FLHerne | If you don't enjoy working on bugs, the commenting-out logic (ctrl-d) is quite poor |
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| 13:41.17 | FLHerne | e.g. commenting things that already contain block comments will blindly create nested ones |
| 13:42.22 | rahulnitdgp | FLHerne: Ok |
| 13:44.14 | FLHerne | rahulnitdgp: If you also use Kate or KDevelop as your editor, you can use it while you work on it :-) |
| 13:44.32 | FLHerne | (KWrite/Kate/KDevelop are all based on KTextEditor) |
| 13:45.56 | rahulnitdgp | FLHerne: I dont know about all these. I am new to all this. I am chosing KTextEditor from your opinion. |
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| 13:55.50 | spanca | hello everyone, calligra author is described as helping create ebooks, but there is no epub as export format, or am I missing something? |
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| 14:01.02 | FLHerne | spanca: According to https://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-6-released/#formats, it should exist |
| 14:02.02 | FLHerne | N.B., Author is deprecated as of 3.0, just use Words https://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-3-0-released/ |
| 14:02.14 | FLHerne | (or something else, not sure what) |
| 14:02.35 | spanca | FLHerne, oh didnt know that |
| 14:03.01 | asturm | FLHerne: well, not just deprecated, gone. |
| 14:03.01 | spanca | thank you :) |
| 14:03.28 | spanca | strange that it is still present in the newest distros |
| 14:03.38 | asturm | spanca: not with calligra-3 |
| 14:03.48 | asturm | which may not yet be packaged in many |
| 14:03.53 | spanca | asturm, ah, ok |
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| 14:07.25 | einar77 | asturm: getting the upgrade path right in calligra was slightly tricky from a binary distro perspective |
| 14:09.15 | asturm | einar77: also its buildsystem is a bit on the complicated side ;) |
| 14:09.43 | einar77 | yes |
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| 14:53.04 | spanca | thank you for your help, enjoy your weekend! ciao |
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| 16:59.50 | an-usah | hello |
| 17:00.27 | an-usah | is the neon desktop production ready or is it for testing purposes? |
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| 17:02.16 | rdieter | an-usah: I don't think there's a black or white answer to that, but my impression is that "testing" is closer |
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| 17:03.11 | rdieter | an-usah: see also https://neon.kde.org/faq |
| 17:03.36 | jcelerier | hello :) a few days ago on a forum I saw someone mentioning someone working on a QStyle backend for Qt Quick Controls 2 |
| 17:03.40 | rdieter | probably also depends on your definition of "production ready" |
| 17:03.46 | asturm | afaik it is Plasma-focussed and does not provide all the applications |
| 17:03.53 | jcelerier | does someone here knows anything about it ? |
| 17:05.29 | kishore96 | Someone change the topic. 5.9 is out. |
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| 18:31.05 | frenda | after updating to KDE Plasma v5.9, new wallpapers are not added to 'Configure_Desktop > Wallpaper'; while it i saw it was getting >30MB files for wallpaper package. |
| 18:31.14 | frenda | Where can I find them? |
| 18:34.26 | frenda | alo? |
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| 18:45.40 | Hudsonkem | anyone that, can help to make a kde report? speech-dispatcher apprearing itself. |
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| 18:46.21 | Hudsonkem | im using plasma 5.9 |
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| 19:47.07 | TheGoose_ | So KDE Plasma 5.9 isn't out for manjaro yet? |
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| 19:49.28 | j605 | if it isn't in the repo, what can people in #kde do about it? |
| 19:49.43 | j605 | just wait for it, it might be in testing |
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| 20:14.53 | salamanderrake | who, the applications or kde/plasma, sets the foreground and background color of tool tips/pop up text on kde/plasma? |
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| 20:20.51 | Taoki | https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=225&t=138790 Please let me know if anyone has any ideas about this |
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| 20:29.07 | ShalokShalom2 | Taoki: all i can say, is that it works perfectly here |
| 20:29.19 | ShalokShalom2 | can you provide a gdb run? |
| 20:29.51 | ShalokShalom2 | other tumbleweed users exp. the same? |
| 20:30.20 | Taoki | ShalokShalom2: There is no crash. And not sure how to do that for a system component like Ksysguard, I don't compile anything KDE and it's not built in debug mode. |
| 20:30.20 | ShalokShalom2 | salamanderrake: normaly plasma, i guess the apps can force it? |
| 20:30.34 | ShalokShalom2 | i see |
| 20:30.49 | Taoki | And yeah, if anyone else is on openSUSE Tumbleweed and Plasma 5.9.0 (now default in it) please try this and let me know. |
| 20:30.58 | Taoki | Hopefully it's just a broken setting I can mess with and fix. |
| 20:31.12 | ShalokShalom2 | gdb is for more as crashes: https://www.sourceware.org/gdb/ |
| 20:32.19 | ShalokShalom2 | Taoki: #opensuse-factory |
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| 21:00.59 | rdo` | Hi, I have a weired akonadi issue on Debian stable (kmail 4.14, akonadi 1.13). I hope somebody here can advice how to address it. |
| 21:01.10 | rdo` | I send mail in kmail and get no feedback, but it does not reach my smtp server (exim). |
| 21:01.20 | rdo` | I see the mail in the outbox in the akonadi console |
| 21:01.27 | rdo` | But it seems to be stuck there |
| 21:01.34 | rdo` | Is there anything I can do to find out what is doing wrong? |
| 21:01.41 | rdo` | The issue appeared out of the blue, i.e. the setup worked before :-/ |
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| 21:03.33 | mike-zal2 | not many use kmail and even less use kde 4 :( |
| 21:04.12 | rdo` | yes, I know :-( I will eventually upgrade to KDE5. |
| 21:04.18 | asturm | mike-zal2: there's still those who use kmail-4 on Plasma-5 |
| 21:04.31 | rdo` | Which mail client are people using then? Thunderbird? |
| 21:04.39 | rdo` | Actually I use kmail for a long time..... |
| 21:04.49 | rdo` | ....it had its glitches, but usually it worked. |
| 21:06.10 | rdo` | What I read is that kmail/akonadi work better on recent plasma-5/KDE applications. |
| 21:06.23 | mike-zal2 | yeah, thunderbird is basically the king. full functgionality, lot of plugins and is increadibly easy to set up |
| 21:06.31 | mike-zal2 | and multiplatform |
| 21:06.44 | mike-zal2 | so you can transfer settings between systems |
| 21:06.58 | asturm | the solution to that, of course, is to use one system |
| 21:07.06 | asturm | :p |
| 21:07.24 | mike-zal2 | not everyone has that option |
| 21:07.49 | mike-zal2 | at the moment linux is not possible at work. fiscal printer and some specialized software won't work |
| 21:08.36 | rdo` | Is there anybody who has some idea how I could find out from akonadi why it does not transfer the mails I want to send? |
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| 21:17.54 | an-usah | mike-zal2, that's not true, but you really have to have a Windows or Mac device at the office |
| 21:19.04 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: I don't understand. what's untrue? |
| 21:19.06 | an-usah | mike-zal2, i mean, i know a good setup where everyone was given Linux thinclients, then they have a very powerful Windows workstation and the people requiring some Windows apps connect to it using remote desktop |
| 21:19.22 | an-usah | mike-zal2, you said that linux is not possible at work |
| 21:19.49 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: there are no drivers and software for fiscal printer |
| 21:19.58 | mike-zal2 | it's complicated even under windows |
| 21:19.58 | asturm | fiscal printer? |
| 21:19.58 | an-usah | in fact i know two places that run with linux to achieve best performance |
| 21:20.07 | an-usah | mike-zal2, what is fiscal printer? |
| 21:20.07 | mike-zal2 | yeap, a specialized hardware for shops |
| 21:20.29 | mike-zal2 | this a law requirement special printer that prints cash register. |
| 21:20.35 | an-usah | ah, i see |
| 21:21.07 | mike-zal2 | so when you sell something, you have to print a selling document that is not an invoice (for private people) |
| 21:21.08 | an-usah | but if you have many terminals, then you just need one in Windows or Mac for that task |
| 21:21.15 | asturm | the bureaucracy is killing me |
| 21:21.17 | mike-zal2 | don't know how to explain it in english |
| 21:21.30 | mike-zal2 | anyway, that stuff won't work on linux, no way around it |
| 21:21.54 | mike-zal2 | also, I use some software that just won't work even on wine, tried it many times. even on crossover |
| 21:22.09 | asturm | mike-zal2: the important stuff, of course, is the content on the receipts |
| 21:22.15 | asturm | not the medium on which it is printed |
| 21:22.18 | mike-zal2 | also drivers for regular printer are bad and pdf printing is less then desirable |
| 21:22.31 | mike-zal2 | asturm: not true |
| 21:22.55 | asturm | not true? |
| 21:23.00 | mike-zal2 | I am obliged by law to have a fical printer and I am HAVE TO REGISTER THAT PARTICULAR PRINTER |
| 21:23.05 | asturm | wow |
| 21:23.11 | asturm | that's braindead |
| 21:23.18 | an-usah | to tell the truth i use a combo of two PCs, one linux and one Windows and Synergy to use one keyboard and one mouse |
| 21:23.20 | mike-zal2 | and fiscal printer is not normal printer |
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| 21:23.56 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: fiscal printer is completely different device that has nothing to do with normal printer |
| 21:24.01 | mike-zal2 | it's not even similar |
| 21:24.05 | asturm | mike-zal2: we have a similar law but the thing that is registered is the actual cash register (that can also be a software) |
| 21:24.19 | an-usah | and i moved back to Windows when the Gnome team decided to do the stupid move to stop supporting Gnome 2 and develop that thing called Gnome 3... sigh |
| 21:24.21 | asturm | and so printing with a regular printer is fine, even to pdf |
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| 21:24.50 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: mate is kinda gnome 2... |
| 21:25.01 | an-usah | an-usah, that's why i tell you to use just one windows PC for that task |
| 21:25.13 | asturm | an-usah: that's a strange move, going back to windows when you have n other DEs to choose from |
| 21:25.29 | an-usah | mike-zal2, yes, but not at that moment, time had to pass between Gnome 2 and a stable MATE or Cinammon... |
| 21:25.38 | an-usah | anyway, i moved back to Linux and embraced KDE |
| 21:25.51 | mike-zal2 | kde is awesome |
| 21:26.16 | mike-zal2 | can't wait for 5.9 although I heard it's not stable version |
| 21:26.18 | an-usah | asturm, i don't exactly remember why i disliked KDE at that time |
| 21:26.36 | asturm | mike-zal2: it is as stable as it would have been 5.8.6 |
| 21:26.58 | an-usah | asturm, so i just thought... well, i have to work, there's no time at this moment to relearn a DE, so back to something i know and continue with my life |
| 21:27.05 | mike-zal2 | asturm: I have to see it for myself. according to some reviews, it crashes in some areas, while 5.8 was fine |
| 21:28.01 | an-usah | i'm using KDE Neon now, mike-zal2, and i'm regretting that decision... it looks like a test environment and not a stable one... i'm willing to go back to Kubuntu or Kubuntu backports |
| 21:28.46 | asturm | an-usah: I've heard good things about opensuse |
| 21:28.46 | an-usah | some things stopped crashing, they were crashing all the time with Kubuntu, but the Neon seems unfinished... for example i can make activities to work |
| 21:28.51 | an-usah | *i can't make |
| 21:29.21 | an-usah | asturm, SuSE... i name i didn't heard in a long time |
| 21:29.21 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: using manjaro. kde is stable. I never complained on kde. I used plasma since 5.4 and yeah, it was a bit unstable but doable. 5.8 is fully mattured and fully stable. |
| 21:29.42 | mike-zal2 | activities work without issues for me |
| 21:29.50 | an-usah | what is manjaro? |
| 21:30.04 | mike-zal2 | manjaro is an arch based system |
| 21:30.06 | an-usah | i mean what distro is manjaro based on>? |
| 21:30.13 | an-usah | ah! archlinux? |
| 21:30.14 | mike-zal2 | kinda like a mint is for ubuntu |
| 21:30.30 | mike-zal2 | yes |
| 21:30.35 | an-usah | huh... |
| 21:30.48 | an-usah | to tell the truth... i'm tempted to use an archlinux |
| 21:30.57 | an-usah | and at the same time i want to stay with Ubuntu |
| 21:30.57 | tosky | (opensuse is well alive, for the record) |
| 21:30.58 | mike-zal2 | anyway, I cann't recall anything about plasma 5.8 that would not work |
| 21:31.23 | an-usah | in fact i just use LTS releases of Ubuntu nowadays |
| 21:31.36 | mike-zal2 | I think that neon is a good system, but still it's a ubuntu based so it inherits all its flaws |
| 21:32.04 | an-usah | as a friend told me... we come to an age... we can't spend our life and energy fixing things that are supposed to just work out of the box |
| 21:33.17 | an-usah | well, when you stay in a LTS releas you have little flaws... if you move to other ubuntu releases, be prepared to stay fighting with the system every day, every hour and send bug reports no one is going to fix never |
| 21:33.35 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: true, but linux users are tinkeres in the core and we get bored if everything runs fine... especially if there is so many distros and DEs to try... |
| 21:33.55 | an-usah | hehe, it depends what you have your PC for |
| 21:34.13 | mike-zal2 | although I must admit, I was a disto hopper till I found manjaro. now I'm using it 1,5 year and am sticking to ir |
| 21:34.13 | an-usah | mine is dedicated as file server and development, so i need it as stable as possible |
| 21:34.22 | asturm | an-usah: kubuntu 16.04 LTS users have probably the worst experience of Plasma-5 unless they update to Plasma-5.8 via a backports repo |
| 21:34.42 | an-usah | asturm, yes, i was using backports... plain Kubuntu is a pain |
| 21:35.02 | asturm | so, the LTS badge is misleading |
| 21:35.26 | an-usah | not really, you have backports for a LTS release |
| 21:35.46 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: true. for stable environment I would choose either linux MX16, mint or some ubuntu flavor |
| 21:35.47 | mike-zal2 | but for home computer, arch is better |
| 21:35.56 | an-usah | not a releas trying new things that never get finished and got discarded or replaced or finished but in a different release |
| 21:36.21 | an-usah | well... i'd try Arch later |
| 21:36.27 | mike-zal2 | there is always a maui, based on neon but more full distro and more friendly for newcomers |
| 21:36.35 | asturm | an-usah: that's also why I mentioned opensuse, their stable release is hitting the sweet spot with Qt and Plasma-5.8 LTS |
| 21:37.07 | an-usah | i realized, i'll keep a Kubuntu LTS with kubuntu-backports, just because i need the machine to work, be stable and be able to predict its behaviour |
| 21:37.24 | an-usah | Maui, i heard about it |
| 21:37.28 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: pure arch is a bit complicated. you need to like to built it from a scratch. It's not for me, that is why I chose manjaro, where everything is ready out of the box |
| 21:37.37 | an-usah | once i built a new machine i'm going to test it |
| 21:37.51 | mike-zal2 | I think that kubuntu is one of the works kde implementations |
| 21:37.57 | mike-zal2 | it's slow and unstable |
| 21:38.00 | an-usah | mike-zal2, you made me tremember why i discarded Gentoo, i never tried it |
| 21:38.41 | mike-zal2 | I never even cam close to gentoo. I know it only from a name, but somehow I'm not tempted to check. |
| 21:39.08 | asturm | KDE software is a first class citizen on Gentoo |
| 21:39.12 | an-usah | mike-zal2, that could be true... the sad thing is i was running this as file and home server in Ubuntu, and i'm not really willing now to rebuild the server |
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| 21:39.35 | an-usah | remember the Law Zero of the engineering: "if it works, don't touch it, don't touch it!" |
| 21:39.50 | mike-zal2 | yeah, servers are a different kind of beasts |
| 21:40.08 | an-usah | for big servers i prefer CentOS |
| 21:40.13 | mike-zal2 | the least software possible, the least tinkering possible |
| 21:40.22 | an-usah | and XFCEor MATE on top and keep the X down all the time |
| 21:40.34 | an-usah | or no X at all |
| 21:40.48 | mike-zal2 | well, I am trying to learn ubuntu serwer. it's not that bad so far but will see later. I can always switch to cent os |
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| 21:41.29 | mike-zal2 | but I am familiar with apt and not with yum so I try ubuntu first |
| 21:41.39 | an-usah | for small places, go with Ubuntu Server, for big places go with CentOS, for mid sized ones, it depends on what the server is going to do |
| 21:41.51 | mike-zal2 | for server X is usless |
| 21:42.02 | an-usah | i thought that before... |
| 21:42.20 | mike-zal2 | yeah, small place is what I need. just a few sites on a server. |
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| 21:42.30 | an-usah | until we had to solve some issues as fast as possible and we realized that some GUI apps are much much faster than the CLI |
| 21:43.16 | an-usah | e.g., when we had an attack attempt and we oppened the firewall gui remotelly (x forwarding is the name of that?) and we just closed the doors with thre clicks |
| 21:44.19 | an-usah | or to manage a server that was built to run a few virtual machine servers inside... no way, the GUI is much better for those tasks |
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| 21:48.38 | mike-zal2 | an-usah: well, that's a good point |
| 21:49.01 | mike-zal2 | but on other hand, X and other gui programs give more opportunity to find exploits |
| 21:49.42 | an-usah | that's why you install a very small DE |
| 21:49.45 | an-usah | xfce is fine |
| 21:50.09 | tosky | and then you run any web browser and you get more memory used than any DE |
| 21:50.12 | tosky | including Plasma |
| 21:50.18 | tosky | (aka: the DE is not the problem) |
| 21:51.04 | mike-zal2 | I hate xfce |
| 21:51.16 | mike-zal2 | maybe I would go with sway on serwer |
| 21:51.26 | mike-zal2 | it doesn't need X, it runs wayland |
| 21:51.52 | mike-zal2 | and is very samll. it's an i3 replacement for wayland |
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| 22:06.40 | an-usah | well. i'm realizing i cannot uninstall the neon thing |
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| 22:08.15 | gomoran_ | If I set mpv to fullscreen kwin dies (reproduceable). If I restart kwin all non-KDE5-windows or offset bei the size of the windowdecoration. |
| 22:08.35 | gomoran_ | Why are KDE5-windows different to other windows? |
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| 22:10.11 | tosky | gomoran_: all Qt5 applications? |
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| 22:12.11 | tosky | including vlc (if your distribution uses Qt5 for it and not Qt4), |
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| 22:22.08 | gomoran_ | tosky: I donât know. but konquerer (KDE4), Kopete (KDE4), emacs are offset, konsole (KDE5), konversation (KDE5), dolphin (KDE5) are not. |
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| 22:22.50 | tosky | gomoran_: try other Qt5 applications |
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| 22:42.35 | gomoran_ | tosky: cmake-gui is also offset |
| 22:43.03 | gomoran_ | killing kwin with -9 does the trick too⦠|
| 22:43.13 | asturm | hm, cmake-gui may be qt4 or qt5 based |
| 22:43.31 | asturm | do you know which one it links against? |
| 22:45.59 | gomoran_ | it links against libQt5Widgets.so.5, libQt5Gui.so.5 and libQt5Core.so.5 |
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| 23:59.26 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
