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| 00:18.27 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.10 and KDE Applications 17.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 01:16.33 | GanzAndere | also, please note that it's an editor by (the) KDE (community), not "in KDE" (which has no meaning) |
| 01:16.38 | GanzAndere | K Desktop Environment. |
| 01:16.44 | GanzAndere | something has to be "in" an environment. |
| 01:16.55 | GanzAndere | tosky, who isn't here anymore apparently. |
| 01:17.05 | GanzAndere | I hope that makes more meaningful sense. To me it does. |
| 01:17.13 | GanzAndere | To say "kate is an editor in KDE" |
| 01:17.22 | GanzAndere | To say "kate is an editor in K Desktop Env." |
| 01:17.32 | GanzAndere | Makes total sense and has full meaning to me and in correct English. |
| 01:17.58 | GanzAndere | [03:07:46 PM] <tosky> also, please note that it's an editor by (the) KDE (community), not "in KDE" (which has no meaning) <- feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| 04:27.19 | viscera | It's solid in GNOME and dwm, although I've seen it glitch in bspwm and spectrwm |
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| 08:11.51 | dvogel[m] | killown: did you try https://community.kde.org/KIO_GDrive ? |
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| 08:30.28 | dvogel[m] | killown: oh I see. Well maybe this could be added. In the meantime you might be able to setup a combination of rsync and cron to mirror the two folders every X(sec|min|hr) |
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| 08:32.39 | dvogel[m] | dunno if there is an more kde native way to do it (kbackup just does single directionnal sync iirc - or this could actually be nice, add an 'advanced mode' to kbackup were you could edit flags to rsync) |
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| 08:35.47 | dvogel[m] | kup sorry, not kbackup |
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| 13:02.56 | lord_rob | Hi! On my other PC I have a Qt app running on the systray for my HP printer (setup and printer status). I don't have it on my laptop, what is the name of the program? |
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| 13:04.13 | kishore96 | lord_rob: Is it just the 'printers' systray item? |
| 13:04.34 | bodom | Hi there! Every time i reboot the PC, the plasma panel is moved to screen 3 and i have to manually move it back to screen 1... do you have an idea on how to solve this? |
| 13:06.42 | lord_rob | ah ! finally found the problem :) There was a lock file in ~/.hplip |
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| 13:13.04 | lord_rob | kishore96: yes but I had to force it to be visible in the systray |
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| 13:35.24 | tresh | hello there , trying to use Qt Virtual Keyboard on my Thinkpad X201 tablet , works perfect except it react to my pen/stylus only on login/lock screens , not in applications. Anyone got an idea about that ? |
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| 13:37.05 | killown | https://ctrl.blog/entry/kmail-cve-2017-9604-openpgp kmail is not safe and not reliable |
| 13:38.01 | killown | I had issues with receiving new emails, only worked after restart akonadi |
| 13:38.05 | killown | and now this... |
| 13:38.39 | einar77_work | killown: please don't spread FUD |
| 13:38.52 | killown | please fix kmail. |
| 13:38.54 | einar77_work | most distributions have already fixes in the queue for that vulnerability |
| 13:39.01 | einar77_work | I did, I patched the openSUSE packages |
| 13:39.08 | killown | this is not the only issue, there is various |
| 13:39.29 | killown | akonadi is the most annoying one |
| 13:39.44 | einar77_work | a process doesn't look like an "Issue" |
| 13:39.53 | einar77_work | (rather, a series of prcesses) |
| 13:40.03 | killown | if I don't receive an email it's not an issue? |
| 13:40.21 | killown | even mutt works better than kmail |
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| 13:41.34 | killown | I think kmail needs to stop to implement new features if the developers are doing that and focusing in the usability |
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| 13:45.33 | BluesKaj | killown, IMO kmail has shot itself in the foot trying to be an enterprise type email program, it's become too clunky for most home users who don't need databased email systems |
| 13:46.36 | tosky | BluesKaj: the email system is not "databased" |
| 13:46.54 | killown | too much features and some of them conflicting and making the mail client unusable, what about make kmail simple and then through plugins turns it into an enterprise solution? |
| 13:46.55 | themill | It's not a db that's the issue, it's the daemon that provides no feedback to the GUI about problems but gets wedged all the time requiring several restarts per day. |
| 13:47.28 | tosky | the way the cached is handled is an implementation detail which happens to use mysql/mariadb/postgresql; this is not, itself, the problem |
| 13:47.31 | BluesKaj | what do you call akonadi server then ...seems like it holds a datbase |
| 13:47.44 | tosky | killown: please note that most features are plugin even now |
| 13:47.49 | tosky | BluesKaj: a cache |
| 13:48.16 | killown | so, the default kmail profiles should come with all of them disabled by default |
| 13:48.26 | BluesKaj | well, anyway definitions aside , it's still clunky as hell |
| 13:48.36 | themill | tosky: tbf, it's also the only place that some pieces of information are found such as message tags. It's not just a cache |
| 13:48.37 | tosky | still, wording |
| 13:48.43 | tosky | it's not because it's using a db |
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| 13:49.00 | s0n1cB00m | just my two cents... Akonadi can be configured to use SQLite and to me that works very well... |
| 13:49.03 | killown | I like the inferface but unfortunately kmail is unusable |
| 13:49.07 | tosky | s0n1cB00m: you are lucky |
| 13:49.15 | tosky | s0n1cB00m: sqlite usage is definitely not suggested |
| 13:49.17 | themill | if it were only a cache, I could blow it away without information loss; that is not the case |
| 13:49.32 | tosky | themill: that's/was the idea, anyway |
| 13:50.03 | themill | the idea is an awesome bug-free panacea |
| 13:50.29 | killown | that's what gnome is doing right, keep the simplicity and make plugins deal with additional features |
| 13:50.29 | s0n1cB00m | tosky, sure, but, to be fair, running a DBMS Server just for tasks for which SQLite is more than enough is a bit like shooting a fly with a cannon... |
| 13:50.46 | killown | kde shouls adopt this concept or at least part of it |
| 13:50.48 | tosky | s0n1cB00m: the point is that SQLite is not enough, and it was documented |
| 13:51.17 | tosky | killown: KDE the community is made of different subcommunities and projects |
| 13:51.41 | killown | I know a little of qt/c++ but I don't have any idea of how can I create plasma widgets |
| 13:51.50 | killown | seems to complicated, the documentation is not clear |
| 13:51.56 | s0n1cB00m | tosky: I am not arguing with what has been documented and studied, but for may daily use it's enough and works well especially on laptops (you know the battery thingy...) |
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| 13:53.29 | killown | tosky, ok, it does hurt to make the plugin system easy and very well documented with lots of examples |
| 13:54.05 | tosky | killown: it does not; that said, plasma widgets and kmail/pim plugins are not the same |
| 13:54.41 | killown | tosky, I changed the topic |
| 13:54.53 | killown | I am complaining about some stuff that I don't like in kde |
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| 13:59.36 | killown | is there any blog post about kde plans for chrome integration? |
| 14:01.36 | tosky | killown: if you talk about Plasma, yes: https://plus.google.com/100202326091940882253/posts/LZrBarC4uzK |
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| 14:03.08 | killown | Media Controls for websites displayed in pulseaudio should be great! |
| 14:07.30 | killown | what about an advanced download manager with kget, supporting cookies, website login and integrated with chrome |
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| 14:08.09 | tosky | kget needs to be ported to Qt5 first |
| 14:08.39 | killown | better to make a new one then |
| 14:09.13 | killown | linux desktop is lacking and advanced download manager |
| 14:10.17 | BluesKaj | pulseaudsio required for webaudio on new firefox ...uhg ! |
| 14:11.05 | BluesKaj | chrome works ok tho |
| 14:11.38 | killown | BluesKaj, what's wrong with pulseaudio? |
| 14:12.06 | BluesKaj | an extra layer of uneeded audio processing |
| 14:12.42 | BluesKaj | unless you have intel audio (snd-hda-intel) |
| 14:14.16 | killown | there is thousand of unneeded commands in your system that you will never use |
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| 14:15.49 | killown | an extra layer of audio processing is more one to the list of unneeded stuff |
| 14:15.55 | BluesKaj | puseaudio in not necessary on a lot of systems that use it, intel audio and alsa work well together without it |
| 14:16.06 | killown | also your kernel has lots of unneeded modules |
| 14:16.57 | killown | you are complaining about something that's not affecting system usability and stability |
| 14:17.03 | BluesKaj | but they aren't as obvious as PA |
| 14:18.00 | BluesKaj | I'm an old audio guy and and the shortest path to sound is always best and always has been |
| 14:18.58 | killown | oss4 was my choice some years ago |
| 14:20.30 | killown | now that audio system works I don't need to touch it and neither know how it works |
| 14:21.00 | killown | alsa was a nightmare 15 years ago |
| 14:21.06 | BluesKaj | yeah I recall OSS, the alsa came along it works very well, but pulse has been imposed on us and now the same guy has almost every distro adopting systemd |
| 14:22.22 | BluesKaj | linux like should be simpler , not more complicated ....anyway that's my rant for the day |
| 14:22.42 | BluesKaj | liinux life * |
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| 14:29.06 | killown | back then 1998 it was 10000000000000 times complicated, no google, only manpages, everything overcomplicated, configure every hardware device manually |
| 14:29.18 | killown | it's simpler than windows nowadays, don't agree with you |
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| 14:30.18 | boombatower | anyone know if the lack of dragging konsole tabs between windows in newer versions is intentional? |
| 14:30.22 | boombatower | was a great feature |
| 14:30.39 | boombatower | just like chromium |
| 14:34.58 | FRidh | I have the module "Spell Checker Dictionaries and Options" in System Settings but can choose only a single language. What is needed to select other languages? aspell dictionaries? |
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| 14:37.55 | tosky | FRidh: aspell (iirc and/or hunspell, depending on which libraries are compiled) |
| 14:38.00 | killown | FRidh, did you see the option "Enable autodetection fo language"? |
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| 14:38.26 | killown | FRidh, this combobox is only to set the default language |
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| 14:42.55 | FRidh | tosky: compiled? Do you mean a certain part of frameworks needs to be compiled with support for aspell or hunspell or ... ? |
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| 14:44.17 | tosky | FRidh: it's the Sonnet library, yes; usually distributions enable all dictionary engines |
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| 14:57.52 | FRidh | tosky: it seems we build sonnet only with support for hunspell. I think dictionary support is going to need a bit of work on this distro :) Thanks for the help. |
| 14:58.11 | tosky | FRidh: oh, I see |
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| 15:02.59 | FRidh | sonnet.core: No language dictionaries for the language: "en" |
| 15:03.00 | FRidh | sonnet.core: deleting 0x168c570 for "en" |
| 15:03.29 | FRidh | How do applications, or actually how does sonnet, tries to find hunspell and its dictionaries? |
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| 15:03.40 | FRidh | does it search for hunspell on PATH? |
| 15:04.42 | tosky | I don't know the internal details, so my answer is unfortunately "check the code or the API documentation of Sonnet" |
| 15:05.01 | tosky | https://cgit.kde.org/sonnet.git/tree/ |
| 15:05.12 | tosky | https://cgit.kde.org/sonnet.git/tree/src/plugins/hunspell |
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| 15:11.53 | FRidh | It hardcodes a path, e.g. /usr/share/hunspell |
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| 16:22.29 | scottchiefbaker | I plugged my PS4 controller in and KDE popped up a warning about low keyboard battery level... now i don't know how to get BACK to that |
| 16:22.37 | scottchiefbaker | where do I find battery level in KDE (on a desktop) |
| 16:22.45 | scottchiefbaker | I just want to know how charged this controller is |
| 16:23.32 | kishore96 | scottchiefbaker: You should have an indicator in your system tray. The 'battery and brightness' thing. |
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| 16:24.00 | kishore96 | Or just add a 'battery and brightness' plasmoid somewhere. |
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| 16:24.34 | tosky | iirc it should be one of the default applet in the Plasma system tray |
| 16:24.43 | thiago | it might be hidden in the system tray. Click the arrow up next to your clock. |
| 16:24.43 | scottchiefbaker | Oh battery was in the ^ arrow thing I didn't see it |
| 16:24.47 | thiago | it's hidden if you're on AC power |
| 16:24.54 | scottchiefbaker | Ya it was... found it, thanks |
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| 16:30.51 | SJr | Right now xrandr Screen 0: says it is 3516 x 2520 , which is odd because it should be 2560 * 2. |
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| 23:29.00 | herbmillerjr | Is there anything like basket in KDE Frameworks 5? |
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| 23:32.53 | pepo | herbmillerjr, https://github.com/basket-notepads/basket/tree/kde5port |
| 23:34.28 | herbmillerjr | pepo: Thanks |
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