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| 00:28.39 | TRS-80 | I seem to be having an issue getting "Show only tasks from the current screen" Taskbar option working |
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| 00:45.44 | Murnux | Hi everyone: is there anyway to make the plasma compositor run at higher than 60 fps? I have 144hz monitor, and if the compositor is on in games, it caps them at 60 fps. Plasma version 5.10.2 on Arch. |
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| 02:29.35 | AndyAndyBoBandy | Can anyone tell me how to get klippers actions to pop up when I copy something that matches a specified pattern? current settings: http://i.imgur.com/1qOLrn5.png |
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| 02:30.28 | AndyAndyBoBandy | And I don't know what "Automatic" means |
| 02:30.51 | AndyAndyBoBandy | The word "automatic" isn't even in the klipper handbook |
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| 02:56.53 | AndyAndyBoBandy | I hit the shortcut for enable/disable clipboard actions, but see no effect. I don't know how to tell whether I just enable or disabled them each time I hit that shortcut. The actions always pop up when I hit the manually-invoke shortcut, and never after I just copy something (which I think is purportedly a feature of klipper) |
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| 06:18.09 | psykotik1 | can someone help me? i've set my left screen edge to activate the application launcher, but it does not work |
| 06:18.12 | psykotik1 | nothing happens |
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| 06:58.54 | this_self | Hi guys! I have installed KDE and I like it. But some GTK applications looks so ugly (on this screen let see on gparted). But in kde gtk settings I have set for GTK2 and GTK3 the same theme. Where I missed? http://i.imgur.com/5zvh3fW.png |
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| 07:18.50 | Tuxtoriel | this_self: Strange, indeed. Must be some sor |
| 07:18.53 | Tuxtoriel | ⦠|
| 07:19.04 | Tuxtoriel | t of GTK version thing |
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| 07:20.04 | this_self | yea.. very strange |
| 07:20.10 | Tuxtoriel | checks out which version GParted is using |
| 07:20.38 | Tuxtoriel | GTK+ |
| 07:21.01 | this_self | How I can check which GTK version gparted uses? |
| 07:21.14 | this_self | I have 0.28.1 gparted version |
| 07:21.41 | Tuxtoriel | maybe in the help menu? |
| 07:22.12 | Tuxtoriel | By the way, there's the fact that GParted is run as root, so it uses the root settings too. |
| 07:22.24 | this_self | yea. I think the same |
| 07:22.36 | this_self | will try to copy .config to .root |
| 07:22.44 | Tuxtoriel | wait no! |
| 07:22.57 | this_self | or.. only ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 07:23.07 | this_self | here I see all gtk fonts which I set with kde gtk settings |
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| 07:23.49 | Tuxtoriel | run «sudo systemsettings5» and change the settings. It |
| 07:23.51 | Tuxtoriel | ⦠|
| 07:24.09 | Tuxtoriel | ⦠wont work the first time. You gotta do some command first. |
| 07:24.30 | Tuxtoriel | Already had that problem. I just don't remember right now. |
| 07:24.34 | this_self | When I tried run sudo systemsettings5 I have obtained this error: QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root' |
| 07:24.34 | this_self | "Session bus not found\nTo circumvent this problem try the following command (with Linux and bash)\nexport $(dbus-launch)" |
| 07:24.34 | Tuxtoriel | Checking it out. |
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| 07:24.59 | Tuxtoriel | yup, that's what I'm talking about :·) |
| 07:25.22 | this_self | I fixed the problem ))) |
| 07:25.33 | this_self | I'm only copied ~/.gtkrc-2.0 into /root |
| 07:25.41 | this_self | and it's all ok |
| 07:26.01 | Tuxtoriel | well, ok :·) |
| 07:26.10 | this_self | http://i.imgur.com/c42GaA6.png |
| 07:26.48 | Tuxtoriel | this_self: A cleaner way would be to run «kdesu dbus-launch systemsettings5» and configure it there. |
| 07:27.11 | Tuxtoriel | That's the command that circumvents the problem, I found it! ;·) |
| 07:27.55 | Tuxtoriel | There you can configure the themes and such for your root session (i.e. when you run sudo) |
| 07:28.18 | this_self | yeah.. that's cleaner better solution |
| 07:28.23 | this_self | will add it right now to my notes :) |
| 07:28.28 | this_self | thank you so much ))) |
| 07:28.31 | Tuxtoriel | ;·) |
| 07:28.36 | Tuxtoriel | You're welcome! |
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| 08:21.26 | Combined2857 | man why is clementine able to automatically generate moodbars and amarok not ? isn't clementine a fork of amarok ? |
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| 08:24.57 | M_aD | Combined2857: Clementine is inspired by Amarok 1.4 but not a fork afaik |
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| 08:31.43 | Combined2857 | dammit I am going to switch to KDE and I was hoping that amarok has moodbar and some other details but sadly it doesn't. I am going to drown my sorrows in a footlong subway sandwich and diet coke |
| 08:33.35 | M_aD | there's not much activity on amarok's development, and porting it to kf5 goes slow |
| 08:34.24 | M_aD | i get the impression that amarok might disappear in the near future |
| 08:36.20 | Combined2857 | its the only music player of KDE right ? |
| 08:36.50 | M_aD | nope |
| 08:37.16 | HorusHorrendus | there is Babe, juk (still on KDE3), Elisa (if I remember correctly) |
| 08:37.23 | M_aD | there are new ones like Babe and Elisa |
| 08:37.24 | HorusHorrendus | Bangarang |
| 08:37.31 | M_aD | yep |
| 08:38.24 | Combined2857 | so nothing on KDE5 ? |
| 08:38.42 | Tuxtoriel | Cantata |
| 08:38.50 | Tuxtoriel | If I'm not mistaken |
| 08:38.59 | M_aD | Combined2857: Babe and Elisa are being developed for KF5 |
| 08:39.57 | M_aD | KaOS ships Babe ootb already and Elisa is in their repo's |
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| 08:40.35 | M_aD | However... me likes and uses Clementine as default |
| 08:42.09 | Combined2857 | yeah clementine is cool |
| 08:42.22 | Combined2857 | since there is no AIMP3 in linux :''-( |
| 08:43.40 | acheronuk | Combined2857: clementine has it's own implementation of moodbar in it's sources, so it's 'built in' |
| 08:43.59 | Combined2857 | acheronuk yeah at least its built in |
| 08:44.23 | Combined2857 | why not in amarok too |
| 08:45.14 | acheronuk | amarok relied on the external one AFAIR, and that is now gone. plus amarok no longer really maintained to update |
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| 11:08.01 | ryzokuken | any great plasma themes? |
| 11:08.31 | ryzokuken | apart from classic breeze/breeze dark, they're pretty good too. |
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| 11:11.25 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:20.47 | yann-kaelig | Hi. How can I configure a timeout for the notification ? |
| 11:22.30 | yann-kaelig | I don't know if it's a bug, but I have to click each time to hide the notification and it's annoying |
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| 11:33.18 | Combined2857 | do you guys use hexchat or konversation for irc ? |
| 11:33.30 | blackdev1l | konversation |
| 11:33.55 | Sho_ | konversation |
| 11:34.10 | asturm | +1 |
| 11:34.34 | Combined2857 | hm I will try it tomorrow when I will switch to manjaro KDE |
| 11:34.40 | hateball | I use Quassel :o |
| 11:34.47 | hateball | or irssi :o |
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| 11:59.02 | salamanderrake_ | plasmashell keeps crashing, here is the ouput in the konsole, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fc04390f58885be2ff7c96eb9f33401a |
| 12:00.57 | tosky | salamanderrake_: if it crash, you should get the stacktrace generated, not the console output |
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| 12:05.05 | Combined2857 | I was just reading in reddit people saying plasmashell crashes randomly |
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| 12:05.45 | leszek | Combined2857: plasmashell with Qt 5.9 ? |
| 12:06.15 | Combined2857 | I'm not sure I am installing manjaro kde tomorrow just want to make sure there are no issues |
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| 12:17.07 | salamanderrake_ | tosky: how do I get the stack trace? |
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| 12:21.02 | tosky | salamanderrake_: don't you see a window that allows you to report the issue? |
| 12:21.09 | salamanderrake_ | no |
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| 12:35.07 | lacrymology | for a while now whenever I boot KDE some programs show up at startup |
| 12:35.21 | lacrymology | like a session got saved and it's stuck there |
| 12:35.49 | hateball | lacrymology: and you havent set it to restore session on reboot? |
| 12:35.51 | lacrymology | emacs on a specific file, the kde settings and a couple kterm windows |
| 12:36.00 | hateball | it is the default setting iirc |
| 12:36.07 | lacrymology | hateball: even if I had, this session's like from 3 months back |
| 12:36.14 | lacrymology | it's not the last session |
| 12:36.17 | lacrymology | just a random one |
| 12:36.28 | lacrymology | one that I force-closed IIRC |
| 12:37.26 | lacrymology | it says "restore previous session", not "manually saved session" |
| 12:37.29 | hateball | well in any case, alt+f2 -> sessions -> pick a desirable setting |
| 12:37.52 | hateball | there's a file that describes the session... somewhere in your ~/ |
| 12:37.55 | lacrymology | hateball: a desirable setting would be that it actually restored my last session |
| 12:38.03 | hateball | I loathe session restore so I dont know the details |
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| 12:40.43 | lacrymology | well, I'll set it to empty session for now |
| 12:40.49 | lacrymology | thans |
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| 14:33.37 | ryzokuken | how do I turn off the clipboard saver utility? |
| 14:34.05 | ryzokuken | just use it the way normal clipboards work. I'm sure it uses up some RAM anyway. |
| 14:34.42 | tosky | ryzokuken: the normal clipboard does not survive when you close the application iirc |
| 14:34.56 | tosky | ryzokuken: you pretty much want the clipboard applet |
| 14:37.25 | ryzokuken | tosky: hmm, so there's no normal keyboard in Plasma? Either this or nothing? |
| 14:37.59 | tosky | wonders if it was clipboard or keyboard |
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| 15:50.29 | ryzokuken | Someone once told me that KDE would run super smoothly (no different than Xfce) on my i3 machine with 4 gigs of RAM |
| 15:50.31 | ryzokuken | lies. |
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| 15:51.07 | hateball | ryzokuken: What aspect of it isnt smooth? |
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| 15:51.21 | ryzokuken | Had firefox 54 open along with konsole and Atom, had one of the worst lags I have witnessed in my life. |
| 15:51.30 | hateball | "lag" |
| 15:51.37 | hateball | Meaning what? |
| 15:51.48 | tosky | ryzokuken: graphic card? |
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| 15:51.56 | hateball | CPU spike? I/O? Actual lag when moving things (gpu) ? |
| 15:52.02 | ryzokuken | tosky: It's probably running fine now. |
| 15:52.29 | tosky | the question was more "which graphic card" (which you may have written down already) |
| 15:52.42 | ryzokuken | tosky: 920 M currently. |
| 15:52.53 | ryzokuken | its a machine with a hybrid card. |
| 15:53.00 | tosky | nvidia |
| 15:53.07 | ryzokuken | Yes. |
| 15:53.23 | ryzokuken | plus, kwin keeps resetting. |
| 15:53.33 | tosky | nvidia does not help, but well |
| 15:53.41 | ryzokuken | idk why, but kubuntu feels very buggy. |
| 15:54.14 | ryzokuken | It was subdued when I somehow managed to shut down the Youtube tab. |
| 15:54.35 | ryzokuken | I'm thinking that it was probably a RAM/CPU spike. |
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| 16:02.33 | ryzokuken | its still lagging like hell though. |
| 16:02.47 | ryzokuken | the delay is killing me. |
| 16:03.02 | ryzokuken | is there any way I could overcome this without turning off my computer? |
| 16:03.16 | ahrs | I have a weird issue with plasma that I think is to do with some sort of international keyboard support of some sort. When I type the grave / accent key (commonly used for markdown code blocks so this is somewhat of an annoyance) it turns the next key I type into an accentuated character. How do I disable this behaviour? |
| 16:03.28 | ryzokuken | I don't want to turn it off. |
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| 16:04.37 | tosky | ahrs: you may have enabled composite keys, and I think that some keyboards define them by default |
| 16:04.46 | tosky | it could be a system setting |
| 16:06.40 | hateball | ryzokuken: You still havent defined "lag" |
| 16:06.57 | ryzokuken | ryzokuken: think of a delay |
| 16:07.00 | hateball | ctrl+esc will bring up the system monitor to see if something uses a lot of RAM/CPU |
| 16:07.31 | hateball | baloo may be I/O intensive before it's done indexing |
| 16:08.05 | asturm | you may restrict its folders if you have a big ~ directory... |
| 16:08.42 | ryzokuken | hateball: sometimes things stop working altogether. |
| 16:08.59 | ryzokuken | eg: I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1 to leave the X session |
| 16:09.02 | lordievader | ryzokuken: how full is your ram? |
| 16:09.04 | ryzokuken | but it didn't work. |
| 16:09.23 | lordievader | The kernel may be swapping out pages during the lag. |
| 16:09.49 | ryzokuken | there's some stuff on the swap |
| 16:09.54 | ryzokuken | maybe you're right |
| 16:10.06 | ryzokuken | because I use an HDD, it must've made things worse |
| 16:10.30 | lordievader | ryzokuken: could you answer my question? |
| 16:10.50 | hateball | literally not answering anythig |
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| 16:11.09 | ryzokuken | lordievader: I shut down Atom and some other things now. |
| 16:11.22 | ryzokuken | as of now, its 1.3 gigs approx |
| 16:11.31 | ryzokuken | swap is 0.5 GB |
| 16:11.56 | lordievader | ryzokuken: could you paste in the output from 'free -h'? |
| 16:12.23 | ryzokuken | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.24 | ryzokuken | Mem: 3.8G 1.3G 1.6G 23M 807M 2.2G |
| 16:12.26 | ryzokuken | Swap: 5.9G 526M 5.4G |
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| 16:13.10 | hateball | 4GB should be enough for normal operations tbh |
| 16:13.17 | lordievader | Hmm, unless atom uses more than 2Gb you should be fine. |
| 16:13.19 | hateball | maybe you could change swap affinity to have it swap less |
| 16:13.58 | ryzokuken | hateball: how? |
| 16:13.58 | lordievader | ryzokuken: sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 |
| 16:14.23 | ryzokuken | lordievader: done |
| 16:14.45 | tosky | even vm.swappiness=1 |
| 16:14.46 | hateball | the default value is a bit... silly, imo |
| 16:15.04 | hateball | doesnt even have swap xD |
| 16:15.12 | hateball | CRASH AND BURN |
| 16:15.14 | tosky | that may not be the best idea |
| 16:15.15 | tosky | anyway |
| 16:15.25 | ryzokuken | doesn't Ubuntu use swapfiles now? |
| 16:15.32 | lordievader | If that fixes the problem: echo 'vm.swappiness=10'|sudo tee /etc/sysctl.d/swappiness.conf |
| 16:15.43 | tosky | apart from the swapping, as suggested by hateball, I would check also who does I/O |
| 16:15.44 | lordievader | hateball: you like the oom killer? |
| 16:16.16 | LazyGnoll | I think usually plasma-shell is the main offender when it comes to resource usage (I have baloo disabled), but honestly atom can easily use more ram than all kde apps together |
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| 16:17.21 | ryzokuken | LazyGnoll: atom has some issues |
| 16:17.38 | ryzokuken | but sometimes I don't have another option. |
| 16:18.00 | hateball | lordievader: hasnt happened to me yet :p |
| 16:18.16 | hateball | I've not got more than 16GB ram and I game on my machine... |
| 16:18.29 | hateball | Living on the edge is where its at |
| 16:19.06 | lordievader | Ah, 16Gb. Yeah, I used to have that. Still had swap though. |
| 16:19.10 | hateball | Anyhow, it's not so great not having swap at all, I just didnt want to waste any of my SSD :p |
| 16:19.41 | hateball | got a 3TB disk but it's the loudest component so it remains unplugged |
| 16:19.44 | LazyGnoll | ryzokuken: did you completely remove xfce? might make sense to compare the memory usage between xfce and kde sessions to see if someone like baloo on kde side is hogging your resources, although I think today xfce and kde use similar amount of RAM |
| 16:20.18 | ryzokuken | LazyGnoll: Xfce is still here, It has not given me such an issue yet. |
| 16:20.25 | lordievader | Someone on YouTube did a comparison, plasma was slightly higher. |
| 16:21.04 | ryzokuken | Edgee? |
| 16:21.28 | tosky | LazyGnoll: having xfce installed (or any other environment) shouldn't be an issue |
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| 16:21.31 | tosky | it's just bytes |
| 16:22.31 | LazyGnoll | I know that |
| 16:23.25 | LazyGnoll | I didn't imply that it causes an issue, but if xfce is still installed it's possible to compare the resource usage to see where the issue is |
| 16:23.52 | tosky | ah, I see |
| 16:24.28 | ryzokuken | lordievader: that swapiness command will solve my issue? |
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| 16:25.59 | lordievader | ryzokuken: it might, depends on the situation. I do not have the complete info |
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| 16:29.36 | tosky | it may if the issue is about useless high I/O |
| 16:29.46 | tosky | but again, you should check if you have I/O |
| 16:29.56 | tosky | the iotop command helps |
| 16:30.11 | lordievader | ^ that |
| 16:31.45 | ryzokuken | tosky: Installed it. |
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| 16:32.03 | ryzokuken | but the thing is, lags usually happen when I'm working in full flow |
| 16:32.03 | ryzokuken | and leave the system unusable. |
| 16:32.03 | LazyGnoll | ksysguard can also track cpu/ram/io load and it shouldn't add too much overhead |
| 16:32.46 | ryzokuken | so I cannot run anything else |
| 16:32.54 | tosky | ryzokuken: keep iotop open in a terminal which is always visible |
| 16:33.01 | tosky | the same for ksysguard |
| 16:34.33 | ryzokuken | tosky: I don't have a multiscreen setup :| |
| 16:34.53 | ryzokuken | I have no laptop screen which needs to be completely occupied by Atom in order for me to work. |
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| 16:35.08 | tosky | ryzokuken: not even a small corner? you can keep a window pinned in the front |
| 16:35.35 | ryzokuken | tosky: once the lag starts, the mouse/keyboard are usually ignored. |
| 16:35.42 | ryzokuken | It was this time. |
| 16:35.49 | ryzokuken | Never had such an issue with Xfce. |
| 16:35.57 | tosky | ryzokuken: that's why the window should be in the foreground |
| 16:36.17 | tosky | you already pointed out that this is a new issue, but the reasons could be different |
| 16:36.21 | tosky | including the graphic driver |
| 16:36.45 | ryzokuken | I'm using the same driver with Xfce, the only diff is that I don't get the system tray icon in KDE |
| 16:36.55 | ryzokuken | I used to earlier, idk why it doesn't work now. |
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| 16:45.38 | harklark | Hi, if a program in my autostart fails to load (latte-dock in this case) is there a log file somewhere of what went wrong? |
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| 16:58.32 | LazyGnoll | harklark: I don't know if there's a built-in mechanism but you could temporary edit the autostart entry to redirect program's output to a text file, to debug the problem |
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| 17:05.05 | harklark | LazyGnoll: Thanks, someone on #kubuntu suggested I look at ~/.xsession-errors and I found latte exiting with exit code 11. So now I have a lead :) |
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| 17:31.23 | torstein | My start menu is transparent, making text hard to read. Any way to get it translucent? Fedora 26 default theme |
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| 17:48.33 | BluesKaj | torstein, try the Oxygen theme |
| 17:49.23 | BluesKaj | not translucent , butit's easy to read |
| 17:51.18 | torstein | BluesKaj: can i get it for just the start menu? |
| 17:52.18 | BluesKaj | torstein, don't think so |
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| 18:26.23 | M_aD | torstein: fedora uses breeze but modify it slightly iirc, so there shouldn't be much difference to the original Breeze theme which should be included by default. Switch to that to see if it makes any difference. |
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| 20:00.22 | doctor | Good afternoon. I want to ask you for help. I read a lot of documentation but I did not find a way to solve my problem. The thing is that I'm now doing the package. And in it it is necessary to replace several configurations from plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc. I decided that I implement this with XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and did so that my package when installed - creates there a file named plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc which in its turn is |
| 20:00.22 | doctor | specified in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ with priority 50. My goal is to include the following parameters in the configuration " [Containments] [7] [General] ShownItems = Ipcheck " The fact is that my package should be displayed in the system tray and be displayed constantly - that the user would constantly see the status of his work. Here is the directory tree and the code I'm using. Https://ghostbin.com/paste/vetje Thank you for your help. |
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| 20:02.30 | doctor | My question is, can I somehow change the plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc configuration by using the package installation? |
| 20:03.57 | tosky | doctor: is it something that you are setting centrally for more users? |
| 20:06.44 | doctor | tosky: Yes. I need to have these parameters applied to all users in my distribution. That is, do not write in XDG_CONFIG_HOME. |
| 20:07.30 | tosky | doctor: I would contact the Plasma team |
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| 20:12.30 | raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 20:20.42 | harklark | I have an app (latte dock) that occasionaly doesn't work on startup even though I've added it in autostart. I've found in ~/.xsession-errors that it exits with a certain error code. Contaced the developer on github and he says he can't do much without a stack trace |
| 20:20.56 | harklark | so my question is how can I get a stack trace from an app that crashes on autostart |
| 20:21.50 | harklark | is it possible to somehow wrap it with ddd? maybe turn it into a autostart script instead of just launching the app itself |
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| 20:43.35 | tosky | harklark: don't autostart it; manually start it under gdb (ddd is a frontend for gdb) |
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| 21:20.24 | harklark | The thing is it doesn't always not start |
| 21:21.20 | harklark | Is there an option in gdb that allows me to run it and start from the same command? in that case I could maybe add that as an autostart script |
| 21:21.33 | harklark | I'll do some digging |
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| 22:35.14 | bl|nk | kde we really have to do something about color schemes not saving |
| 22:35.25 | bl|nk | and network manager dropping connections |
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