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03:44.38Anatzumwhen using the menu editor, where is the location of the system icons. I'm trying to change an icon and it's not working so maybe it I place it in the system icons it will work :/
03:45.10Anatzumi'm using the breeze-dark theme/icon-theme if that changes anything
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03:51.42hoolaHoopI have a problem with the KDE KIO samba slave on ubuntu. It most likely seems to be a distro problem (there is a bug report for it but no real action for years on end) THe behaviour exhibited is similar to https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=224&t=125064 . The time stamps get mangled so I am interested in building only the kio extra components from source and trying to see if the problem goes ?
03:52.03hoolaHoops/?/.
03:52.18hoolaHoopSO which version of kio extras should I build this is Kf 5
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05:37.42hmahourhi, i am looking for a new job role. I was wondering if KDE  is having remote work jobs ?
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07:03.15EugenAto resize the window, I need to point with the mouse the window border. Is it possible to make this area little bit larger?
07:04.33EugenAon Windows10 this area is much larger than in kde
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07:18.02ZrenEugenA, No clue if that's configurable, but there's alt+right click which lets you resize from hovering anywhere
07:18.23TuxtorielHi! :·)
07:18.29EugenAyes, I always use alt + RMC. But I have often people from windows world on my computer and I see how they struggle
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07:18.41EugenAonly option I've found is to change border width
07:18.45TuxtorielEugenA: yes it is possible to make the borders larger.
07:18.49EugenAbut I like small borders
07:19.05zoldyckplease recommend a nice Plasma Live DVD :)
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07:19.28Tuxtorielah, ok!
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07:19.48TuxtorielI don't know about that. Gonna verify
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07:21.15Tuxtorielzoldyck: I really like Manjaro KDE. And having tested neon, I would recommend it too, in terms of plasma. I did not try Kubuntu recently though, so can't say.
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07:26.48TuxtorielHi raghukamath!
07:27.26vvandeEugenA: are you talking about the area of influence for grabbing the corner or edge?
07:27.56EugenAvvande: yes
07:28.49EugenAit depends on border width?
07:30.02vvandeno, it depends on the mouse settings
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07:31.16vvandesystem settings -> Input devices -> Mouse -> Advanced
07:31.22vvandemay be what you're looking for
07:32.58EugenAhm... no
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07:34.44vvandeok :)
07:35.16EugenAI don't see any changes on edges
07:35.23vvandeI thought it was pointer threshold. :(
07:35.25vvandesorry
07:36.01EugenAis it possible to change window border with from terminal? :-)
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07:37.14vvandedon't know, but doubt it
07:38.21TuxtorielEugenA: like increase the thickness? Or the influence?
07:39.28EugenAit would be nice to change the border with with one command from terminal
07:40.02EugenAborder width
07:40.27Tuxtorielah, ok. :) Now I got it ;·)
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07:40.57EugenAkwriteconfig seems to be the right tool for that
07:41.34Tuxtorielyes, definitely.
07:42.13EugenAbut it's not clear, which keys are there and which values they could have
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07:44.28TuxtorielIt's not what we're looking for but I found this for a windows specific configuration : «Application Style > Window Decoration > Theme > _click on the menu icon on the lower left corner of the selected theme_ > Window Specific Overrides > Add > Border Size»
07:45.04TuxtorielEugenA: “No manual entry for kwriteconfig5” :·(
07:46.23TuxtorielI found some examples : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hidden-KDE-Options-and-Features-53213.shtml
07:46.39Tuxtorielhttps://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?t=108660
07:47.09Tuxtorielhttp://www.linux-commands-examples.com/kwriteconfig
07:47.50TuxtorielThe first is an example, the second shows the manipulated file too, and the third is almost what we want :·)
07:47.51EugenATuxtoriel: well.. change the border width only for firefox may be good idea.. thanks
07:47.57vvandeInteresting, I can make the scroll bar narrower, but the max width is 30px.
07:48.13TuxtorielYou're welcome :)
07:50.21EugenAmaybe I should simply ask the author of kwriteconfig how to change border width :-)
07:50.51Tuxtorielyes :)
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07:51.19ZrenEugenA, ~/.config/kwinrc
07:51.46EugenAZren: I don't have that file
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07:52.44ZrenHave you changed no window related settings...?
07:53.33ZrenThis is how I change other kwin stuff programatically https://zren.github.io/projects/kde/#cfg-17
07:53.49TuxtorielIn that file there's something really interesting: ElectricBorderCooldown, ElectricBorders and ElectricBorderCornerRatio. Trying out some things to see what happens.
07:55.26vvandeI don't have that file either.
07:55.50EugenAI have some app-specific window settings, and now I also changed the border width for all windows
07:55.56EugenAstill no file
07:56.18EugenAthe only kwinrc I have: ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc
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07:56.37Zrenoh... kde4?
07:56.58EugenAyes
07:57.02Zrenaaaah
07:57.04TuxtorielEugenA: App specific settings are stored in kwinrulesrc so that might not help.
07:57.09Zrenputs sock in mouth
07:57.42EugenAI'm waiting for new opensuse to upgrade :-)
07:58.25TuxtorielEugenA: Do you have sections like «Compositing» and «Desktops»?
07:59.00EugenAin ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc ? yes
08:00.06Tuxtorielyes, ok. So that should be the same file. The interesting section is «Windows», as you could guess :·)
08:00.33TuxtorielStill don't know what that «Electric…» thing is.
08:01.12Tuxtoriels/.*/Still don't know what that «ElectricBorder…» thing is.
08:01.14vvandeI see "BorderSnapZone=10". Looks like what the Windows people need so they won't struggle with resizing.
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08:01.42EugenAthat looks interesting, I'll try it
08:01.45TuxtorielThat's when windows overlap, isn't it?
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08:02.07vvandeI would think it would give a wider zone for grabbing.
08:02.31vvandeis waiting for EugenA to report. :)
08:02.37Tuxtoriel:·)
08:03.18vvandebut yeah, might be the wrong thing.
08:03.39vvandeI sometimes struggle with grabbing edges too, but just deal with it.
08:03.47EugenABorderSnapZone is different thing
08:03.54vvandeoh :(
08:03.58EugenABorder = Border of your desktop
08:04.05vvandeI guess that's strike two for me. lol
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08:05.54TuxtorielAh, yes, the tiling thing (Half screen tiling when the window is pushed to the side of the screen)
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08:09.42TuxtorielMy idea wasn't any better, http://www.eng.usf.edu/~jatucker/work/kde/index.html     Electric Borders are, from my understanding, the effect of dragging a window from one desktop to another by pushing it to the borders.
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08:11.42raghukamathhey Tuxtoriel
08:12.19vvandeEugenA: I just discovered that I can resize windows by holding down Alt and RightClickButton to drag.
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08:13.09EugenAvvande: this is most amazing thing about linux, I'm using it every day :-)
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08:14.21vvandeI'm actually using FreeBSD. :)
08:14.38EugenA;-)
08:14.45EugenAyou know what I mean
08:14.53vvandeof course!
08:15.26Tuxtorielvvande: yes, and those settings are configurable in «Window Management > Window Behaviour > Titlebar/Window Actions». I tweaked a lot of them and really love it :·)
08:15.39vvandecool
08:16.08vvandeI'd like to have control over scroll bars.
08:16.19vvandeLike color, for example.
08:16.39vvandeI found a Firefox plug in that does that. so that's one app taken care of. lol
08:16.46TuxtorielMy favorites are for the titlebar: rightclick moves the window behind ; middleclick minimizes them and mouse wheel up/down is maximize/un-maximize.
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08:17.17vvandeI don't stack or tile windows much. I've always used desktops instead.
08:17.32vvandeTen of them with different things on each.
08:17.39Tuxtoriel:)
08:17.50TuxtorielI've got four.
08:18.01vvandeseems quicker that way, instead of doing it all on one screen like Windows 3.0
08:18.28TuxtorielOne thing I love about Kwin is the ability to drag the window around by clicking on an empty area.
08:18.33vvandeI still see people minimizing applications after all these years.
08:19.00TuxtorielI tend to do it when I've got an insane amount of apps open :)
08:19.07vvandeok
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08:20.41EugenAmouse wheel up/down to maximize/un-maximize sounds nice, will try it
08:20.55EugenAi have mid mouse button to close window
08:21.05TuxtorielBy the way, while we're in those settings, I wanted to point out that if you only use apps maximized, it might be interesting to have them popup this way : «it's in Advanced» of «Window Behaviour»
08:21.34Tuxtorielyes, it's nice. If you never minimize, it makes total sense :)
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08:22.25vvandethanks
08:22.44Tuxtorielyou're welcome :)
08:23.09Tuxtorielraghukamath: did you have the time to test the layer 4 of the neo layout?
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08:24.03raghukamathTuxtoriel: unfortunately no. i'll test it today itself and tell you
08:24.14Tuxtorielok, thanks :)
08:24.20raghukamathTuxtoriel: need to finish a project before deadline :)
08:24.27Tuxtoriel:)
08:24.46TuxtorielI'm with you!
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15:42.26kdenoobgood day, I have a problem with plasma desktop, I have the version 5.10, as I'm reading since 5.4 there's an option to scale the ui, but I can't find such option anywhere. the closest i found was in displays etting where I can change scale method between crisp, soft, and accurate, but nothing to actually scale ui
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15:43.41kishore96kdenoob: Settings > display & monitor > displays > scale display
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15:43.56kishore96There will be a slider to scale the display there.
15:44.28kdenoobclicking on display & monitor directly leads me to compositor settings, I see nothing that lists displays
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15:45.26kishore96kdenoob: After clicking 'display and monitor', don't you have three options in the sidebar (display, compositor, gamma)?
15:45.59kdenoobI have no sidebar, kishore96
15:46.16kishore96kdenoob: Screenshot?
15:47.33kishore96kdenoob: https://pasteboard.co/GzQR0Yn.png
15:48.00kdenoobkishore96: http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/17/0707/h_1499442314_3811994_02e2aa32c3.png
15:49.16kishore96kdenoob: Show me your system settings window.
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15:51.54toskykdenoob: is kscreen installed?
15:52.09kdenoobkishore96: http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/17/0707/h_1499442661_9616071_ec5ab383e9.png  . also, fwiw, I just installed the plasma-desktop pacage from arch along with the few dependencies it had, I don't know if there would be something missing by doing this
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15:52.40kdenoobit returns nothing on the menu search
15:52.50toskyso you clicked "Pantalla y Monitor" and you only have the compositor
15:52.55toskyyou miss the kscreen package
15:52.56kdenoobalso nothing when tryingto launch form the terminal
15:52.58kishore96kdenoob: pacman -Q kscreen
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15:53.25kdenoobit wasn't installed along with plasma-desktop
15:53.29toskythere is a metapackage called plasma-meta
15:53.30kishore96kdenoob: You should be using plasma-meta
15:53.51kishore96plasma-desktop is just one of the packages required.
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15:54.14kdenoobok, now i have the option to scale
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15:54.44kdenoobin the meantime ill be installing plasma-meta
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23:25.29teprrrhi, any ideas on this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381910
23:25.55teprrrI'm also hit with that, neither kgpg nor kleopatra starts. kmail hangs when trying to access gpg for signing/encrypting/verifying signatures etc.
23:28.15teprrrgpg --list-keys seems to work fine
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23:29.20teprrrlooks like signing with console gpg doesn't work either.. :(
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23:55.46vvandeI'm finding that Gwenview crashes on some images. Is there another image viewer that I could use?
23:56.18vvandeI'm using FreeBSD 11.0-RELEASE

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