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02:19.37Trioxinsomeone please make sense of this: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=141172
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02:25.54thiagoTrioxin: not a KDE problem, sorry. Please ask in your distro's channel.
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02:40.12Trioxinwas just apt being really really... really dumb
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02:40.29Trioxinaptitude is a bit wiser
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06:39.34nurupoplasms 5.8 here. using Folder View for my desktop. when i right-click on the desktop to get a menu and select "Create -> Text File", i want the file to be created under the cursor on my desktop, but instead it gets created as the "next" file in the Column arrangement
06:41.00nurupoi don't see an option to make new file be positioned on the desktop at the position at which the menu was created
06:44.18crazythere isn't any afaik
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06:47.15nurupodidn't kde4 plasma support it, or am i imagining things? (i dualboot windows, so i might be just confuing it with windows...)
06:47.26nurupo*confusing
06:49.18crazynurupo: sry can't remember what kde4 did but I don't think so ..
06:49.33nurupoalso, is there any way to get the tabs in Oxygen look&feel to look like Oxygen tabs? they are flat just like Breeze tabs :\
06:52.06nurupofor example, top kde4, bottom plasma 5.8 https://imgur.com/a/wXaY4
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06:53.01nurupothe inactive tabs on kde4 have those roun corners and space between them, on plasma 5.8 they don't look Oxygen-ish at all
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09:29.34jcelerierhello !
09:29.59jcelerierI'd like to write a small "service menu" for a repetitive action, but I don't really know how.. is there a tutorial somewhere ?
09:30.39jcelerier(it's very simple: I'd like when clicking on a folder to right-click, have a popup request a name, create a folder with this name, and put the folder I originally clicked inside the new folder)
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09:38.49jcelerieris there an equivalent to this guide with dolphin: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus ?
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10:05.43Quetzal2jcelerier: If I'm not mistaken, it's that very guide! :)
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10:09.53Quetzal2jcelerier: I created one some time ago : https://ghostbin.com/paste/jvawa  Put your file in «/usr/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus/» with the «.desctop» extension.
10:10.19jcelerierQuetzal2: thanks! I thought it would be different for dolphin
10:11.14Quetzal2no problem :·)   Just realized that it's not that guide, but it's the exact same thing. :)
10:11.39Quetzal2The underlying system is the same.
10:13.09Quetzal2jcelerier: that's giving quite a lot of good results : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kde+Dolphin+actions&t=ffab&ia=web
10:14.27Quetzal2If you want to investigate :·) (my internet decided to have a day off today :·p )
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10:18.20Quetzal2jcelerier: Seems like they do link back to the konqueror one, so that's good. If you want some specifics about the format : https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html
10:19.10afx237With launchy (a keyboard launcher similar to krunner) you can choose specific folders and file extensions to always be in the index. e.g I just have one "Spreadsheets" folder of spreadsheet files that I want always available in the launcher (even if I never opened them before) - and I don't need any other spreadsheets anywhere else outside that folder in the launcher at all.  Is there a way to customize krunner like this instead of it just doing everything
10:19.11afx237automatically based on recently opened files etc?
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10:34.05menaceHi, i forgot for events.kde.org my username and i'm not at home (where my password store is), could some admin reset my user, if i provide them my emailaddress? for email i have my access...
10:35.14menace(or identity.kde.org in general)
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10:36.43menaceor is this the wrong channel?
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10:47.49Quetzal2jcelerier: (had some connection problems) did you get the other posts? (search results & file format)
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11:05.36menacerepeating.. could any kde.org-admin help me with resetting my identity (and say my username) if i say my emailaddress to him in a query?
11:07.53jcelerierQuetzal2: mhh... nope
11:08.06jcelerieroh yes sorry
11:08.13jcelerier(managed to do it!)
11:11.17Quetzal2jcelerier: :) I wanted to make sure that the connection hadn't screwed up. Did you make any actions for Dolphin yet?
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11:13.24xyz_Hi, does anyone have any issues with kde network manager and USB wifi adaptors? I tried 2 diferent ones, but NM doesn't want to scan for networks.
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11:15.03menacexyz_: that would be the networkmanager itself and perhaps udev. i had some lagging until networkmanager catches up, but using kde should change nothing there.
11:15.14jcelerierQuetzal2: yes, my action works
11:15.19jcelerierthat's such a nice feature
11:15.42Quetzal2it is! :)
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11:16.30xyz_menace: I am talking about the NM plasmoid
11:16.50xyz_menace: it shows the disable wifi button but no wifi networks
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11:46.30Quetzal2jcelerier: And you can create (.desktop) files that have actions too (i.e. in the ~/Desktop directory) like this test example https://ghostbin.com/paste/yujtz :)
11:46.56Quetzal2gotta go. Bye! :·)
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11:52.03m_It's sad that kde4 had better widgets customisation than plasma 5
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13:26.47Introoterwhere do feature requests go?
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13:27.10menacesorry, was offline.. did someone answer my kde identity reset request?
13:27.16Introoteri just wanted a button to trigger a scan of networks in the plasma-nm panel
13:27.23Introotererrr applet
13:29.30asturmIntrooter: something like that existed in the past
13:29.36asturmbut that button was dropped
13:29.43Introoterwhy? :(
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13:30.05asturmit seems unnecessary. as soon as I create a hotspot, the network is discovered
13:30.20zeatinghi guys can i have some help real quick
13:30.22zeatingproblem: dolphin, kde system settings, spectacle etc randomly wont open until i log out and log in with error message:  "Session bus not found\nTo circumvent this problem try the following command (with Linux and bash)\nexport $(dbus-launch)"
13:30.23Introoteri have to now rather wait for it to scan, there's no way i can trigger it, apart from the cli.
13:30.29zeatingcan anyone explain that
13:30.31zeatingits very confusing for me
13:30.36asturmIntrooter: does it take longer than 2, 3 seconds?
13:30.44Introoterasturm: yes
13:31.05Introoternot any longer than ~10 seconds though
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13:31.30Introoteri guess its my card and its range then, if it works for you.
13:32.10asturmI can imagine it is also influenced by hardware and drivers, yes
13:32.18shtrbzeating , that's a nice feature made by the wonderfull shit called systemd
13:32.44shtrbyou need to move from the graphical target to a non graphical and back
13:32.44zeatingok...
13:32.51asturminteresting
13:32.53zeatingi really need to fix it asap, how can i troubleshoot it? theres no info on google
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13:33.17zeatingim not running those programs as root, im just logged in normally, it works for awhile then suddening they refuse to open with that error
13:33.19shtrbknown issue at debian at least , (when sddm is reset )
13:33.26zeatingyes i use SSDM
13:33.49Introoterthis isnt happening for me though, and i use systemd.
13:33.54shtrbzeating , complain to your dist about that - the workaround is systemctl isolate multiuser / graphical
13:34.02zeatingthis is a brand new arch install about only a week
13:34.04zeatingbarely used the aur
13:34.14zeatingwhy is this broken and why do i seem to be the only one very frustrating!
13:34.24shtrbFor that to happen you need to have sddm reset and dbus not killed /restarted
13:34.32zeating'ssdm reset' hmm
13:34.42shtrbsddm reset / crash / kill etc
13:34.43zeatingwhy would that happen while logged in
13:34.58zeatingwell thats useful
13:35.11zeatingssdm is what youre 'supposed' to use with kde
13:35.31asturmwell, plasma doesn't mind much by what it is started
13:35.32shtrbzeating , maybe others have the same thing with other managers
13:35.49shtrbbut that is purly because a service is not acting nicly
13:36.01shtrbblame systemd and have fun :)
13:36.10zeatingeverything i find on google about the error message is people saying "stop trying to run as root" etc etc
13:36.15zeatingim not running anything as root so......
13:36.25Introotersddm would run as root
13:36.36zeatinganything i can look into?
13:36.38shtrbzeating , check if you had a crash or something like that in your logs
13:36.49zeatingwell it happens about 5 times a day
13:36.59zeatingi gotta suddenly log out and log in to use dolphin, system settings..etc..
13:37.22zeatingnot sure how to check logs i dont have a program for it
13:37.27shtrbfeels blessed he got that only during sddm crashes or plasma full freeze
13:37.37m_kate?
13:37.47shtrbless / grep etc
13:37.54zeatingwhats the log called
13:38.25zeatingguess it would depend on distro huh
13:38.28Introoterzeating: do `journalctl -b -u sddm.service`
13:38.41zeatingill paste output on pastebin
13:38.54zeatingits very long of course...
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13:39.35shtrbalso dbus
13:39.49zeatinghttps://pastebin.com/KXt1awnP
13:39.52zeatingoutput of journalctl
13:40.00zeatingmaybe i just -Syu it'll update and fix its self..lol
13:40.18zeatingnvm it only updated openal..sad
13:41.09Introoterzeating: paste the output for dbus and its user instance as well
13:41.22Introoterjust replace sddm.serbice with the respective services
13:41.27Introoterservice*
13:41.42shtrbIs "Jul 22 23:00:37 zeeb sddm[313]: Display server stopping..." what I think it is ?
13:42.07zeatingjournalctl -b -u dbus ? ok
13:42.09zeatingsec
13:42.45shtrbdid the issue started after 23:00 ? or between 19:00 and 23:00
13:43.05zeatinghttps://pastebin.com/YnhnpxnB
13:43.06zeatingthis mgiht be promising
13:43.10zeatingi see a bunch of fails
13:44.09Introoterthat is ModemManager, that shouldnt be the problem.
13:44.22Introotershtrb: do you have the bug report from debian?
13:44.32shtrbno sorry
13:44.45shtrbI just learned to learn with that quirk
13:44.50zeating[zeeb@zeeb]: ~>$ journalctl --user dbus.service Failed to add match 'dbus.service': Invalid argument
13:44.51zeatingwut
13:45.01zeatingnvm
13:45.25Introoterwith the long option, it will be --user=
13:45.32Introoteroh nvm
13:45.50shtrbdo you remember when your issue started ?
13:45.55Introoteri read that as --unit
13:46.35Introotershtrb: what quirk? sddm being reset?
13:47.01Introoterhow do you evem trigger an sddm reset, and wouldn't it fix itself on a reboot if that was the case
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13:47.12shtrbdbus service is not running
13:47.36shtrbIt was my assumption that the issue here is the same as I had , when sddm is being reset/reloaded
13:48.18shtrbI can see that there is a reload configuration on 22:53
13:48.22Introoterif dbus wasnt running, there was no way systemd would work
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13:48.33zeatinghttps://pastebin.com/WmrzrH9U
13:48.44zeatingthats output of journalctl --user -u dbus.service first 100 pages
13:49.08Introoterzeating: please add -b, the logs are from 6th of july
13:49.15zeatingoh good 1
13:49.40Introoterall of your logs are from 6th of july
13:49.48Introoteryou probably dont even scroll on the pager
13:50.08Introoteror -b -1 if the last boot was experiencing this issue
13:50.14Introoter-2 for the second last boot
13:50.21zeatingabout 250 lines https://pastebin.com/7grN1QyX
13:51.04shtrb"The X11 connection broke (error 1). Did the X11 server die?"
13:51.14zeatingthe issue is happening right now i havent logged off to fix it
13:51.19zeatingtrying to catch it while its happening
13:51.33shtrbsee if anything in dmesg  and systlog
13:51.36shtrbmaybe something more
13:51.38Introoternow please paste the relevant logs with -b
13:51.51Introotershtrb: there is no syslog on systemd systems.
13:52.08zeatingmore relevant? do i just scrol down more?
13:52.23Introoteradd -b and yes, paste the complete output
13:52.24shtrbIntrooter , sorry but there is /var/log/syslog on debian so it was a knee jerk comment
13:52.37shtrbIntrooter , so sorry
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13:53.14Introoterdebian just forwards to syslog by default i guess
13:53.52zeatingim at 2k lines and still scrolling
13:53.54zeatingstil the same day
13:54.12Introoterthen use -r to have the more recent stuff on the top
13:54.36Introoterand you can just see the time stamp to see guess where it started happening
13:54.45Introoter-see*
13:55.10Introoter(you can actually use pgdn with less to scroll down faster)
13:55.11zeatinghonestly i remember it working before i went to sleep
13:55.18zeatingso i went to sleep and woke up and first thing i noticed is the problem was back
13:55.21zeatingso whats up with that
13:55.27zeatingalmost ilke it doesnt matter if i use the pc it just happens over time
13:56.00Introoterwell i really think this is something you should report to the downstream for your distribution
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13:56.12zeatingthis is 'complete' output (becasue it doesnt all fit in my terminal) https://pastebin.com/NAJMVFry
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13:56.44Introoterwell i gave you a lot of ways to get the relevant part but ok
13:57.49zeatingsry ill read again
13:58.39zeatingok thats good information but what am i looking for?
13:59.17Introoterdbus-daemon[17474]: Failed to activate service org.freedesktop.FileManager1: Failed to create pipe for communicating with child process (Too many open files)
14:00.16zeatingoh i found unliminted scroling for konsole ok i can paste whole logs now
14:01.42Introoternow that its broken, what does launching from the terminal say
14:01.52Introotertry launching dolphin from the terminal
14:02.48ltosky[m]"too many open files" may be the key
14:03.02Introoterim guessing he has too many files open
14:03.06zeatinghere is the whole log https://pastebin.com/USsSamMF
14:03.14zeating[zeeb@zeeb]: ~>$ dolphin "Session bus not found\nTo circumvent this problem try the following command (with Linux and bash)\nexport $(dbus-launch)"
14:03.19Introoterhitting the fd limit? i am nto really sure
14:03.20zeatingsame with kde system settings and a few other programs
14:03.43Introoterwell do what it says, try export $(dbus-launch)
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14:04.08zeatingya i can launch dolphin if i do that
14:04.15zeatingbut it only lasts for the terminal and why do i gotta do that anyway
14:04.26zeatingdont know why it stops working
14:04.35Introoterhmm so this is dbus (and specifically the user bus) and not kde at fault here
14:04.49zeatingwell damn
14:04.54zeatingim not changing much abou the system
14:04.56zeatingeverythings quite stock
14:05.04zeatingupdate daily
14:05.06zeatingsad
14:05.18Introoterwell we're still making guesses
14:05.39zeatingless than a week and i probably gotta format again
14:06.02zeatingim trying to find stuff in logs
14:06.30zeatingreinstall dbus? dunno what to do
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14:07.17ltosky[m]raise the number of open files first
14:07.28zeatingd-feet is an easy to use D-Bus debugger GUI tool. D-Feet can be used to inspect D-Bus interfaces of running programs and invoke methods on those interfaces. See its homepage for more info.
14:07.32zeatingshould i use this idk
14:07.42Introoterno, you dont need to use it.
14:07.59Introoterbusctl can work equally for debugging, but do what ltosky[m] said
14:08.00shtrbfile a bug
14:08.15zeatingraise number of open files?
14:08.18ltosky[m]shtrb: to whom?
14:08.23zeatinglike log out and log in and open a ton of dolphin instances?
14:08.33ltosky[m]No
14:08.33shtrbarch / systemd / dbus
14:08.52shtrbitosky[m[ , why not to arch against systemd / dbus service ?
14:08.52zeatingwhat u mean
14:08.52ltosky[m]Raise the limits of open files
14:09.00zeatingis that a dolphin setting?
14:09.06ltosky[m]shr
14:09.20ltosky[m]shtrb: if it is dbus
14:09.43shtrbItosky[m] , I'm not saying it's dbus proboper but the service file
14:09.49Introoterzeating: can you also try creating a new user and see if the problem still exists, create a new user, reboot, log in afresh (without creating any sessions for the old user or root)
14:10.03ltosky[m]zeating: no, it has nothing to do with dolphin, it's a setting of the system
14:10.04zeatingok ill make new user
14:10.14zeatingcan i easily remove the old user so its not cluttered
14:10.15zeating?
14:10.26Introoterzeating: or better
14:10.27zeatingi think kde has a gui for that
14:10.31asturmzeating: what do you think is cluttered?
14:10.48zeatinghaving an old user account with tons of cfg files and stuff
14:10.51zeatingdont want 2 of them
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14:11.16Introoterjust remove your dotfiles and configurations (or mvoe them out of the home dir). that would be equivalent of starting afresh
14:11.18asturmzeating: you're still at debug stage why do you think about removing your user settings
14:11.35zeatingwell ill just make a new user brb
14:11.39Introotermake a backup, if that wont work, you can put it all back in
14:12.44ltosky[m]zeating: no gui in Plasma for settings limits of open files
14:13.19Introoterim guessing this is a misconfiguration, and not a dbus flaw.
14:13.25Introotertwo threads point to the same thing
14:13.31ltosky[m]zeating: don't remove the old user, just test with the new one first
14:13.35Introoterhttps://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8067742.html?sid=044cf67fcad94f30d5ecf469001bb237
14:14.11Introoterhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162884 this one is pretty old btw.
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14:14.42zeating_doesnt kde have a built in users account manager?
14:14.53zeating_Kuser
14:14.56Introoterit does have one, but you can just use this
14:15.04zeating_its missing on my kde installation
14:15.14zeating_kuser also isnt in the arch repository
14:15.29asturmzeating_: kuser was dropped several releases ago
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14:15.43zeating_i thought i remember seeing it in kde neon lately oh well
14:15.52zeating_yeah you cant change your profile pic on kde now?
14:16.02asturmthat's not kuser
14:16.08asturmprobably user-manager
14:16.14zeating_oh
14:16.28zeating_im missing that
14:16.39zeating_installing
14:16.59zeating_yeah ill make a new user with that
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14:17.16Introoteruseradd -m -G wheel,users <username> -s /bin/bash
14:17.21Introoterthis should work fine
14:18.12zeating_ok just curious though, for kde user-manager 'Administrator account' would you want that checked on arch?
14:18.24zeating_my current one is checked as Administrator
14:18.33Introoteri guess that makes you oart of wheel
14:18.37Introoterpart*
14:18.38zeating_oh ok
14:18.42zeating_its not root yeh
14:19.06Introoterbecause wheel pretty much allows you to do a set of basic administrativr tasks (or programs offer support for memebers of that group)
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16:30.40eXistenZeHey there
16:31.19m___hi
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16:37.10m___Can i get a newer version of KDE with Debian Stretch and if yes how?
16:37.13m___http://imgur.com/a/cb8ni
16:37.43m___right now it's: KDE 5.34.0 / Plasma 5.10.0
16:38.03asturmm___: debian channel should answer you
16:38.21asturmseems weird they provide a .0
16:39.19m___i think they don't really like the fact that i'm running Netrunner, maybe i should only talk about that my Debian is really Debian and not Netrunner :/
16:39.39m___but thanks asturm
16:39.52asturmas long as you disclose it
16:40.03asturmbut I have no idea what netrunner is to debian
16:41.03asturmeither way frameworks-5.34 is a solid base to have
16:41.18eXistenZeHey there. I have a somewhat locked mount on dolphin. I mount a smb remote share in fstab, but it fails to unmont on shutdown. Now every time I start I see the same error and dolphin shows a red icon on the mount (I need root to mount it) and I cannot unmount it since it is not mounted.
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16:44.00eXistenZeThis: https://pasteboard.co/GCi7mIr.png
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17:31.46eXistenZeHey... Can someone help me solve this problem? Cannot mount smb share in fstab: https://pastebin.com/Fzt2gkxN . After login I can sudo mount -a and it mounts with no errors...
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18:31.07faircI excluded some directories from system settings -> file search. However results from these dir still popup in krunner. what can I do?
18:34.53cb400fyou might have to re-index I guess. I think that setting is only for indexing, not for search results, so when stuff is already indexed...
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18:39.39mike-zalhas someone figured it out how to enable global menu for firefox or thunderbird?
18:48.10mike-zalhave to reboot, brb
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19:30.40Asuranis there a one click way to get more window border decorations
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19:38.06mike-zalAsuran: what do you mean by "one click"? downloading new border decorations is easy and quick. maybe you can call it one click, as usually all one clicks require few clicks ;P
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19:41.25Asuranmike-zal, sorry found it sorry for ask
19:41.51Asuranbut do you maybe know what the corrosponding theme for light aurorae border?
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19:54.52eXistenZeWhat is the best way to run a command like mount and umount at system login and logount/shutdow?
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19:57.40thiagoeXistenZe: choose one: login/logout or system start/shutdown?
19:59.06eXistenZeit's to bypass the eternal problem of mounting remote shares before network is up, so I guess login/logout is safer
20:00.22thiagosystemd is more than capable of mounting network shares after networking is up
20:01.45eXistenZeSomething is failing horribly
20:01.48eXistenZehttps://pastebin.com/N0PGvkHG
20:02.23thiagowell, it did wait for the networking to be up
20:02.35eXistenZebut then acts like it isn't
20:03.15thiagomaybe the failure reason is something different
20:03.36eXistenZemount -a works fine after boot
20:03.58eXistenZethat's why I wanted to try to mount after login
20:04.00thiagothere's not enough information in this log to say why the mount failed
20:04.29thiagodo you have a command that will run as a regular user?
20:05.21eXistenZesorry, you're talking to very fresh n00b on linux
20:05.42eXistenZehave a what?
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20:12.31thiagowhat command do you want to run, which can be run by a regular user without asking password?
20:13.48eXistenZenone. both need sudo
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20:17.13thiagothen after login is too late
20:17.25thiagoyou need to do this before KDE. Which makes this not a KDE problem.
20:19.40eXistenZeThen, two quick questions :) How do I run dolphin in root so that it mounts and unmounts my failed mount that it lists? And how do I restore the borders and title bar from firefox (I accidentally clicked the no borders option)
20:22.17mike-zalAsuran: as far I know there are no or very litte aurorae themes combined with desktop themes. you just have to experiment to find the one suiting the most. breezmite is a nice one that fits to many desktop decoration themes
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21:07.35fairccb400f: how do I re-index?
21:10.13cb400ffairc: good question ;-) It seems that 'balooctl' has a 'clear' option that lets you "forget" indexed files
21:10.30cb400f(baloo is the kde desktop search technology)
21:11.04cb400fif all else fails you can simply manually delete the existing index from the filesystem
21:11.56cb400f(stored in ~/.local/share/baloo/
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22:12.01fairchmm, neither "balooctl clear all" nor deleting the index file
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