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05:00.10iczerodoes anyone here have any idea what the --shut-up plasmashell option does (or used to do)?
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07:13.51afx237In KDE's "global keyboard shortcuts", under the "KWin" component, I can assign global hotkeys to various window manager actions like "switch to desktop x", "quick tile", "present all windows" etc... is there also a way to perform these kwin actions from the command line?
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07:14.24kishore96_There are dbus commands to do them.
07:15.01kishore96_afx237: qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel /component/kwin org.kde.kglobalaccel.Component.invokeShortcut 'Window Quick Tile Left'
07:15.06kishore96_Something like that.
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07:19.08afx237kishore96_:  perfect, thanks!
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09:43.27wgetHello everyone. Does your plasma 5 baloo new instance indees LibreOffice document like ODT?
09:43.32wget*index
09:43.42wgetI mean is the content indexed?
09:46.11asturm_wget: this is a frameworks version matter
09:46.30asturm_specifically kfilemetadata gained that ability at some point
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09:50.26wgetasturm_: indeed, thanks. That lib wasn't installed on my side
09:50.35wgetDo you know how I can reforce an index?
09:50.43wgetbalooctl index or enable or start doesn't work.
09:51.00asturm_wget: that is rather strange. kfilemetadata is a dependency of baloo
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09:51.29wgetI removed the index to be sure, the the latter isn't being recreated
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10:59.09V7Hey all ;)
10:59.30V7What is the default KDE Neon 5.8 sources list ?
10:59.40V7Is this http://termbin.com/6xg2 one default ?
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11:09.53BluesKajHiyas all
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11:14.18V7Hey hey hey
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12:03.36wgetasturm: the search dialog doesn't return any thing in dolphin. I assume my balooo is completely broken on my side :-/
12:04.32asturmwget: can't help you there, it's not installed here
12:04.45wgethum ok :-(
12:04.49wgetthansk any way
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13:00.42redeyedmanhttps://i.imgsafe.org/89/893cec20c9.png my plasma 5
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13:11.14JanKusanagiquite hellish :D
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13:18.32tomazconsidering that hell is the hottest place you can find, and plasma is the hottest matter, I think that's a perfect guideline to follow.
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13:56.32Ruhangiz‎ Hey dear people, after my upgrade/dist-upgrade yesterday (Debian testing) Login takes 60 seconds with the first 45 seconds without any visual feedback. Any ideas what could have gone wrong, or where I could start searching?
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14:16.57BluesKajRuhangiz, any outboard drives etc, not listed in /etc/fstab
14:18.06BluesKajoops, my reaction time is too slow again
14:19.08RuhangizBluesKaj: what do you mean?
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14:23.14BluesKajRuhangiz, my join/part seetings need adjustment, didn't see you rejoin
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14:24.53RuhangizSorry, I meant - What do mean with outboard drives?
14:25.38RuhangizI guessed that. :)
14:29.04BluesKajRuhangiz, as an example only. If you have connected drives that aren't list ed i fstab then the OS spends time looking for their uuid or identifiers in fstad for about 30 secs ...I had the same issue in debain til i listed my outboard drive
14:29.31BluesKajfstab even
14:31.13RuhangizBluesKaj: Mmh, I only have my internal harddisk connected.
14:31.27BluesKajthat's one of the reasons for the boot delay, there may be aothers of course
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14:31.56RuhangizIn which logfile do I find the entrys of the login process?
14:32.29BluesKaj<PROTECTED>
14:32.34RuhangizOh - it is not the boot which takes time. it is the login
14:32.50Ruhangizthanks
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14:46.05MesalzadehMmmh gpg-agent is spamming the logfile... "gpg-agent[12323]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC "connect" Aufruf fehlgeschlagen" every 2 seconds *sigh*
14:46.54MesalzadehBluesKaj: It's unlikely that this is related to the delay no?
14:47.55BluesKajdo you have encrypted partititons or files
14:47.58BluesKaj?
14:49.13Mesalzadehyes the whole disk is encrypted and then devided in logical volumes
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14:49.48Mesalzadehuntil the upgrade yesterday everything worked fine
14:50.11Mesalzadeh(meaning: it's not a new setup)
14:52.22BluesKajright , dunno what the answer could be, but it appears to be a bug since you aren't alone with this issue
14:52.53Mesalzadehah I am not?
14:52.59MesalzadehCool!
14:53.17Mesalzadehahm meaning not so cool but ... you know? :)
14:53.55MesalzadehDo you have the Bugreport number at hand?
14:54.02BluesKajno we saw asimilar one in kubuntu yesterday after some updates/upgrades on an encrypted partition using LVM
14:54.22BluesKajno sorry
14:54.55MesalzadehI found some messages from sddm but can't interprete them
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15:01.09MesalzadehBluesKaj: Do you think these error messages could be related to the delay?
15:01.12Mesalzadehhttps://paste.debian.net/991684/
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15:14.03anugusing kde 5.11.1, screenshot not working
15:14.53asturmanug: it is plasma-5.11.1
15:15.05asturmanug: do you have spectacle installed? it is part of kde applications
15:15.06anugyeah, sorry about that
15:15.29anugi have it installed, just not working after update
15:15.40asturmhow is it not working
15:15.53anugmanually opening it taking screenshots work fine though
15:16.06asturmso it's just the global shortcut
15:16.07anugjust the shortcut not working
15:16.24asturmdo other shortcuts work?
15:16.31anugi checked shortcut, nothing changed
15:17.04anugyeah, i have some custom shorts, that is also working except that
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15:24.49anugany suggestions
15:24.51anug?
15:25.23asturmanug: is anything happening instead of spectacle opening?
15:25.35anugnothing happened
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15:26.07einar77_workanug: check if the shortcut is defined in System Settings
15:26.19anugwent to custom shortcuts > actions > tried to launch dbus browser. nothing happened
15:26.34anugeinar77_work: it is defined
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17:11.14tyrannyhm, should I add anything to kdesrc-build rc if I use the VPN? I omitted the http proxy in setup stage, and now I have the constant socket io errors
17:15.36tyrannyoh nvm it works
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17:18.01spongeHello
17:18.35spongeCan anyone help me figure out which programs do the two left icons represent here: https://www.kde.org/content/products/apps.png
17:19.18spongeTop left and bottom left. I guess top right is k3b, and bottom right is obviously krita
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17:31.18spongeOK, found it here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Breeze_5.22.0_-_Apps :)
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18:22.08wokyHello. I'd like to change appearance of QtCurve style. I'm not in KDE or other DE (i3). I'm on Debian testing. When I install and run systemsettings, all I can see are three entries - network, shortucs, and something else.
18:22.31wokyWhat are the `systemsettings modules` that control KDE desktop style called?
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18:27.11JanKusanagiKCM's, you can list them with kcmshell5
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18:27.50JanKusanagibug if you don't use Plasma, there's probably a better way for you to change that, like Qt5ct or something
18:27.54JanKusanagi*but
18:28.10wokyJanKusanagi, thank you, I'll search and try.
18:28.23wokyJanKusanagi, I can't change QtCurve properties in Qt5ct unfortunately.
18:28.53wokyI remember, that there was some kind of GUI setting tool for QtCurve that was launched from systemsettings.
18:32.10JanKusanagiOxygen and Breeze have "oxygen-settings5" and "breeze-settings5", did you check for any commands starting with "qtcurve"?
18:32.48wokyJanKusanagi, yep, there's not much in debian, just the libraries
18:34.47wokywhere does the kcmshell5 look for modules? I could use apt-file and narrow the search
18:34.57wokyfor example when doing 'kcmshell5 --list'
18:36.20JanKusanagiapparently, /usr/share/kservices5, but there are kcm files in other locations
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18:37.23JanKusanagiwell, those are the .desktop files for systemsettings itself
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18:40.37JanKusanagistill, such a basic KCM probably comes with the plasma-workspace package, or similar
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18:41.26wokyJanKusanagi, I did 'apt install kde-plasma-desktop' :-)
18:41.34wokyIt's there now
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18:46.06JanKusanagifor the record, it's /usr/lib64/qt5/plugins/kcm_style.so in Mageia  =)
18:46.27woky$ apt-file find kcm_style.so
18:46.27wokyplasma-desktop: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_style.so
18:46.33wokyi see
18:46.41wokyJanKusanagi, thank you for your efforts!
18:47.48JanKusanagiyep, I was just checking that here https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/plasma-desktop/filelist
18:48.11JanKusanagiand yw :D
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19:14.47KsChoiceHi there, is there a know problem / bug with KDE with the window manager settings? I have configured various programs to be on various desktops or screens from start (dual screen setup). Problem is that I setup a program on desktop 5, but it always shows up on desktop 1 anyway, other programs should be on desktop 4 but they are on "all desktops". The program that should be on desktop one sometimes shows up on another desktop.. Its weird :)
19:14.47KsChoiceIs there anything known about this issue?
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20:02.52DavizionHi everybody! I just want to know if there is going to be a next kscreensaver in the future. I am really missing this basic feature in the great new plasma desktop.
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20:03.53toskynot that kscreensaver; the current screen locker supports animations
20:04.01asturm_I think it is the single most obsolete feature on a modern desktop
20:04.24toskythat's beyond the point :)
20:04.27asturm_true.
20:04.29DavizionWell tastes differ
20:04.29toskystill misses asciiquarium
20:04.34DavizionIndeed
20:04.42toskyDavizion: again, you can have animations with the current system
20:05.45JanKusanagiif you don't have enough with the lockscreen capabilities, you can always use xscreensaver :D
20:06.28DavizionI is there info somewhere on how to do that. And I don't need to log in every time. How to get rid of that. I like to see a interesting screen when I am doing the laundry not a screenlock. My desktop is also a media station etc
20:07.17toskywhat do you mean by "log in every time"?
20:07.23JanKusanagithe screenlock, as has been said, can be very interesting
20:07.35DavizionI think it defies the purpose to hack someting basic into the desktop. Now I need to start the xscreensaver and the service manually every boot
20:07.57asturm_Davizion: but tastes differ.
20:08.16JanKusanagiwhy manually every boot? there are ways to autostart things, you know?
20:08.20toskyfor example: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/07/animations-on-lock-screen-plasma-wallpaper-support/
20:09.05Davizionthannks tosky
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20:09.59JanKusanagiwell, in popular opinion, it's quite useless in 2017
20:10.01asturm_that's just an application. and the same goes for the screensaver...
20:10.08JanKusanagiit was quite useless in 2007 :D
20:10.39JanKusanagiit's been useless from the time computers started to be able to turn off monitors, so, a looong time :D
20:11.18DavizionIndeed but people still like some eyecandy right
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20:11.25asturm_and they can have it
20:11.51JanKusanagithey sure can have it
20:11.53JanKusanagiand very easily
20:12.04DavizionSo there is going to be a grafical intergrated way of doing those animations?
20:12.09asturm_the term 'screensaver' though would be entirely misleading these days
20:12.35JanKusanagithe screen locker can have several styles, configurable right now
20:12.39DavizionTerms tend to stick moreoften
20:12.57asturm_eyecandy-that-wastes-energy
20:12.58DavizionSounds good!
20:12.59JanKusanagiyep, screensaver is actually screendestroyer xD
20:13.38KsChoiceHi there, is there a know problem / bug with KDE with the window manager settings? I have configured various programs to be on various desktops or screens from start (dual screen setup). Problem is that I setup a program on desktop 5, but it always shows up on desktop 1 anyway, other programs should be on desktop 4 but they are on "all desktops". The program that should be on desktop one sometimes shows up on another desktop.. Its weird :)
20:13.38KsChoiceIs there anything known about this issue?
20:13.53toskydoes not use the dual screen
20:14.15DavizionI use triple screen...
20:14.35DavizionNot seen this problem
20:14.50toskyKsChoice: if no one else answers, ensure that you are using the last Qt (5.9.2 currently) and the last Plasma (5.11.0 or 5.11.1, but probably 5.10.x is fine) and ask on #plasma channel during the European working time
20:15.11toskyif you don't have the latest version of Qt and Plasma, well, I would try to upgrade first and recheck the issue
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20:16.03asturm_hm, is there a known issue with systemsettings-5.11 and qt-5.9.2 where startup fails?
20:16.12asturm_s/5.9.2/5.7.1/
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20:17.32DavizionWhere can I find the settings for the screenlocker?
20:18.22JanKusanagiif you enter "lock" in the search box it will be quite clear
20:18.42JanKusanagibut basically Workspace > Desktop Behavior
20:20.12DavizionAnd can I stop the screen from locking?
20:20.37DavizionIs that a 0?
20:20.59DavizionOh a box. :))
20:24.50DavizionStill I think it is interesting that people don't seem to like screensavers as you clame. Why would there still be visualisations with music or even an glsl toy like shadertoy.  Still tganks for clearing things up for me.
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20:25.41DavizionBtw I like my foto's as a screensaver.
20:26.33DavizionAnd the xscreensaver had a cool euphoria.
20:27.47JanKusanagipeople like many things
20:28.00DavizionI have an old netbook that I mailnly use as a usb loading station for our phones and tablets. It sits in the room whith the family pictures.
20:28.06JanKusanagidoesn't mean such things make sense as part of a desktop =)
20:28.45DavizionOn a laptop you might be right
20:28.55DavizionOn a tablet you are right
20:29.05DavizionOn a phone for sure
20:29.18DavizionA desktop sould be versitile in my opinion
20:30.07JanKusanagiand it is
20:30.18JanKusanagijust install and use xscreensaver
20:30.35DavizionI am.
20:30.47DavizionI was hoping for support in plasma
20:31.04JanKusanagia desktop cannot support everything and the kitchen sink
20:31.30JanKusanagiand if developer time is limited, something anachronistic like screensavers should go
20:31.42DavizionBut things are turning a bit grim
20:31.54DavizionDoesn't need to be like that
20:32.13DavizionI know time is limited and all
20:32.34JanKusanagiyou could offer as a maintainer :D
20:32.51DavizionIndeed
20:32.56toskythere is support in the desktop
20:33.29toskyso the problem is that someone should implement additional screen lockers, more than the ones provided
20:33.50toskybut there is no need to hope for something which is already implemented
20:34.48DavizionAn option to use the xscreensaver in stead of the screenlocker could be interesting
20:35.33DavizionI can remember something with like that with compiz
20:36.00toskythat's not possible, also because xscreensaver does not support wayland
20:36.05toskyso going forward it's not a solution
20:36.23DavizionAaaaah now I understand the problem
20:36.37toskyin addition to the security problem of xscreensaver
20:36.40asturm_and as a screenlocker it is horrendously insecure iirc
20:36.55DavizionSo x is the problem
20:37.19DavizionNot the screensaver
20:37.46toskythis is a bit old but gives some information: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/05/screenlocker-architecture-in-plasma-next/
20:40.02DavizionNow this makes sense
20:40.20DavizionSo there will eventually be some euecandy
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20:40.29toskythere is already
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20:41.04DavizionI just want to be able to show my pictures if I am not at the mashine
20:41.16toskythe support for the eyecandy is already there: you can set your photos as screen locker
20:41.26toskydid you check that systemsetting module?
20:42.25DavizionYes. I can't find it. Maybe I am looking at an old plasma verion atm. I am checking that
20:43.37toskyDavizion: kinfocenter to show the version of plasma
20:44.08toskyin Screen Locking do you see a "Wallpaper" tab?
20:44.23DavizionI have 5.8.7 running
20:44.53toskyuhm, I can't check that code
20:45.15DavizionI have a walpaper tab
20:45.21toskyand there?
20:45.31toskyyou should have various wallpaper types
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20:46.32DavizionBut thats the wallpaper. So I get icons on top?
20:47.15toskyit's not the wallpaper
20:47.24toskynot the wallpaper of the desktop
20:47.27toskyit's the wallpaper of the screen locker
20:47.46DavizionAaaaah. A bit confusing but clear now
20:47.54toskythe entire panel is about the screen locker, so "wallpaper" is in the context of the screen locker
20:48.28DavizionWhy not screenlocker in stead of wallpaper. To really different things to me
20:49.12DavizionAnyway clear now. It is hiding in pkain sight
20:49.37toskythe context is the screen locker; that's the wallpaper for it
20:49.57toskyif you didn't know about xscreensaver, maybe it would have been different
20:50.13DavizionProbably
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20:52.30DavizionKids these days are talking about mp3 and are often using an other codec eg aac
20:52.30DavizionTerms tend to stick
20:54.54DavizionAnyway I really like the responsiveness in the plasma desktop.  It is very nice to work with
20:55.21asturm_yes, it is much improved from plasma-4
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20:57.11Davizioneven older hardware like my netbook is usable in plasma. Before I was using ldxe for that.
20:58.32DavizionI mean lxde
20:59.29DavizionSo for me it feels lightweight but with the kde advantage. Very nice work
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21:17.22ptseliosHello everyone! What is the current status of Konqueror as a File Manager?
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21:17.36asturm_ptselios: dead
21:19.05toskyptselios: Konqueror uses the component provided by Dolphin, so what you see is a dolphin view
21:21.24vrmuppallaIs qupzilla better than Konqueror for page rendering, plugin compatibility, resource usage ?
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21:34.45ptseliostosky: Yes, but the rest of the functionality is NOT.
21:35.26ptseliosFor example, there are no embeded viewers in dolphin, no multi-level split views.
21:35.41ptseliosDolhin is a very **basic** file manager.
21:35.49ptseliosKonqueror was one of the best.
21:35.53ptselios(if not the best).
21:35.59toskyKonqueror is a container of kparts
21:36.02toskydolphin provides a kpart
21:36.04toskythat's it
21:36.25ptseliosyeap.
21:36.40ptseliosBut it's not enough :)
21:36.41asturm_ptselios: if we're comparing file managers, probalby nothing can beat krusader :p
21:36.50toskyhas to go
21:36.53ptselioskrusader is excelent.
21:36.58ptseliosBUT:
21:37.38ptseliosI (and i guess others as well), like the single window with the tree bar on the left.
21:38.17ptseliosAnd krusader is not part of the KDE, if I 'm not mistaken.
21:38.28asturm_does it matter?
21:38.42asturm_it is just not released as frequently
21:39.23asturm_but anyway, since konqueror was using nothing more than dolphinpart all the time, I don't see the big loss
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22:12.02DavizionHi everybody! An other screenlocker related question. I like the slide show but I dont like the text on top of my pictures. Is there a way to get rid of clock etc. and get a login field when I move the mouse? Is there an available theme that does that?
22:13.47oprypinlikely possible to do with a theme. dont know about existing themes.
22:17.09Davizionoprypin: what file do I need to change?
22:17.48oprypini don't know off hand  and if i told you it wouldnt help much. it's not a typical thing you do with QML
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22:23.15DavizionSo I am stuck with this clock, mouse and pointer on top of my pictures in the slideshow? That can't be right.
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22:26.45DavizionOr do you mean that this behaviour is in the theme that I am using
22:27.11oprypinDavizion, I mean that this behavior is in all themes i've seen so far
22:27.25oprypinthat can be right. that's what rewriting software every 5 years does
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22:28.48Davizionok
22:29.40DavizionThat's a bummer
22:30.43DavizionI kind of like the way my pictures look without stuff on top of them. Otherwise I would shop that on top. ;)
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22:31.33oprypinDavizion, don't lose hope, it's worth looking for a theme that might do this
22:32.24oprypinoh wait, lock screen themes arent even a thing lol
22:33.26DavizionOprypin, very good to hear. Keeps mee from looking for a needle in a heystack. There seem to be a lot of themes. Could take days
22:33.39oprypinDavizion, where do you see those themes?
22:34.00Oct2pusthis question has been asked a million times already, is kde neon on ubuntu 17.10 yet?
22:34.16DavizionIn the apearance
22:34.17Oct2puscant find any news and im considering swapping back from manjaro
22:35.33asturm_Oct2pus: I guess it is a question for #kde-neon
22:35.38oprypinOct2pus, why would kde neon be on ubuntu 17.10  if it uses only LTS releases (16.04)
22:35.55oprypinalso do yourself a favor and use Arch. thx
22:36.14Oct2pusbecause 17.10 is the new lts release right?
22:36.20Oct2pusam i misunderstanding this
22:36.31asturm_it isn't
22:36.33Oct2pusah
22:36.42Oct2puswelp nevermind then
22:36.56oprypinOct2pus, https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
22:37.19oprypin(scroll down)
22:37.31Oct2pusah next version is the lts
22:37.33Oct2pusgot it
22:38.38Oct2pusi was also planning on swapping one pc to arch and one pc to a more stable distro so i dont have to maintain two arch installs and have a fallback for schoolwork incase one fails when i need it.
22:38.48Oct2pusbut thats irrelevant to the channel, thank you for clearing this up
22:39.17oprypinarch certainly breaks less than neon but w/e
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22:41.32DavizionOprypin, i am using the breeze theme. I seems to be the standard with my distro. I don't know abour other distro's and all. But I was wondering about the slideshow text etc.
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22:41.44oprypinslideshow text?
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22:42.23DavizionYeah the login text we were talking about
22:42.56DavizionThe clock and mousepointer on top of the screenlock slideshow
22:44.39DavizionWell not text but a user chooser
22:45.59oprypinDavizion, im working on a solution lol
22:46.51DavizionOprypin, your a hero!
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22:55.49oprypinDavizion, waaaait for it
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22:58.11DavizionOprypin, I am very patient.
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23:00.02DavizionOprypin, it was something that I was looking for a while but I just didn't have the time to get deeper into.
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23:02.47oprypinDavizion, well  long story short  /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/lockscreen/LockScreen.qml   change  onItemChanged:  into  Keys.onPressed:
23:02.58oprypinkeep in mind that system updates will overwrite this
23:03.15oprypinand this activates only on keyboard press
23:03.25Davizionnice!
23:03.30oprypini was trying to also add mouse move but it's tough without knowing qml
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23:05.44oprypinbye. if u have more questions to me, that'll have to wait about 16 hours :|
23:05.56oprypinbut i will see messages you leave
23:08.41DavizionThanks a lot for this! Bye for now
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