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| 00:52.49 | dviola | please add bitcoin to this page: https://www.kde.org/community/donations/ |
| 00:53.43 | dviola | paypal and banks don't respect privacy |
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| 01:38.52 | TRS-80 | dviola neither does bitcoin |
| 01:40.06 | dviola | yes, you can be more private while using bitcoin, you don't have to attach your identity to your address, and you can use tor |
| 01:40.40 | dviola | if I buy bitcoins with cash from an ATM that doesn't know my identity, nobody can track me |
| 01:40.55 | TRS-80 | fair enough |
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| 01:41.21 | dviola | but yes, it's not completely anonymous |
| 01:42.14 | dviola | I run a core node that does all the validation of my transactions so I don't have to trust anyone else |
| 01:42.35 | TRS-80 | oh nice |
| 01:42.52 | TRS-80 | that difficult to set up? |
| 01:44.21 | dviola | no, it's very easy... it requires some disk space and bandwidth though |
| 01:44.46 | dviola | if you don't want to keep the data on disk you can enable pruning |
| 01:47.47 | dviola | by data I mean the blocks that contain all transactions |
| 01:48.27 | TRS-80 | how big is that now? |
| 01:48.40 | TRS-80 | I mean, the whole thing? |
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| 01:51.07 | dviola | TRS-80: 152GB |
| 01:53.30 | dviola | TRS-80: it took me like a week for the sync to complete but after that it's like 1MB every 10 minutes, so it's not too bad |
| 01:54.42 | dviola | TRS-80: before that I was using lightweight wallets like electrum, but they leak your addresses to their servers, I didn't like that very much |
| 01:55.08 | TRS-80 | interdasting |
| 01:56.33 | dviola | there's a way to point your electrum to your own node, then you still get privacy from lightweight wallets, but I really don't see the point since you already get a wallet with your node |
| 02:02.28 | dviola | I think the ability to connect lightweight wallets to a full node is so that when you want to use bitcoins on your phone and your phones doesn't have enough resources to run a full node, you point your lightweight wallet on your phone to your full node |
| 02:02.46 | TRS-80 | makes sense |
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| 02:52.23 | dviola | TRS-80: bitcoin and kde represents freedom and social inclusion to me, the fact that anyone can send bitcoins to anyone in the world without risk of being censored is a good thing |
| 02:52.27 | dviola | :) |
| 02:53.15 | TRS-80 | dviola: Amen! |
| 02:54.31 | TRS-80 | had jury duty this past week, got to talking about free software, had one person interested, we exchanged info and I'm going to meet with them to help install Linux and get them started |
| 02:55.52 | valorie | TRS-80: great nick! |
| 02:55.58 | dviola | TRS-80: awesome |
| 02:55.59 | valorie | and that's good news indeed |
| 02:57.10 | valorie | dviola: we lack someone to add the ability to accept bitcoin to the website and wire it up to the KDE e.V. bank account |
| 02:57.30 | valorie | if you want to help, please write to the board offering your help |
| 02:58.27 | valorie | https://ev.kde.org/corporate/board.php |
| 02:58.46 | TRS-80 | can now tell the story of how dviola personal BTC node became payment processor for Debian Foundation XD |
| 02:59.05 | dviola | valorie: oh sure, that would be my pleasure, I will write to them |
| 02:59.19 | dviola | TRS-80: ;) |
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| 02:59.48 | valorie | very cool |
| 03:00.35 | dviola | TRS-80: all nodes in the network are actually relaying transactions with each other, that's the nice thing about them :P |
| 03:01.42 | TRS-80 | yes my understanding is that it is a distributed ledger |
| 03:02.27 | TRS-80 | maybe I should have said "BTC processor" ;) |
| 03:02.49 | TRS-80 | was just making a joke anyway |
| 03:02.54 | valorie | lots of people want to donate bitcoin |
| 03:03.14 | valorie | but so far we haven't had volunteers with the needed expertise |
| 03:04.01 | dviola | valorie: if you can join #bitcoin and just tell you need help there will be many people who would love to volunteer also :) |
| 03:04.16 | dviola | I mean, other than me of course |
| 03:04.20 | valorie | well, I don't know what we need |
| 03:04.32 | valorie | just that we would welcome help |
| 03:04.55 | valorie | if you can open a dialog with the board, then you could be that conduit |
| 03:04.59 | valorie | if you want |
| 03:05.05 | dviola | yes, sure |
| 03:05.08 | valorie | is not on the board btw |
| 03:05.14 | TRS-80 | DOOOOOO IT.jpg |
| 03:05.14 | valorie | just an e.V. member |
| 03:05.26 | valorie | I don't even use bitcoin |
| 03:10.23 | dviola | I started using bitcoin because banks are very much a trainwreck where I live, and since I work remotely I needed a way to receive payments for my work (I work in webdev)... this has taught me that there's a huge opportunity for the unbanked people with bitcoin |
| 03:11.02 | dviola | and like wikileaks and other projects, maybe kde can use it for donations without losing anything |
| 03:11.13 | TRS-80 | dviola: read an article the other day that BTC is getting big in Zimbabwe as their currency is collapsing (again) |
| 03:11.24 | dviola | yes |
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| 03:12.39 | cluelessperson | Hi guys, I'm from #bitcoin |
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| 03:13.13 | cluelessperson | dviola: sup |
| 03:13.33 | dviola | cluelessperson: valorie and TRS-80 are interested in bitcoin for receiving donations for KDE :) |
| 03:13.53 | dviola | but they need our help |
| 03:14.07 | dviola | they have never used bitcoin |
| 03:14.25 | valorie | well, many of our users and members do |
| 03:14.51 | cluelessperson | sweet |
| 03:15.03 | valorie | but what we lack is the web knowhow, and also how to wire up the backend of actually recieving and being able to spend the btc |
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| 03:15.42 | cluelessperson | valorie: TRS-80 well, the easiest way to understand, is to just start using it. Bitcoin has a "testnet" network with worthless funds we can test with and send between each other as proof of concept. How do you feel about that? |
| 03:16.35 | valorie | cluelessperson: I'm not the target audience |
| 03:16.56 | valorie | the interested parties would be the KDE e.V. Board |
| 03:17.04 | valorie | https://ev.kde.org/corporate/board.php |
| 03:17.20 | cluelessperson | valorie: Ah. |
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| 03:18.17 | cluelessperson | So, accepting bitcoin is as easy as pasting an address on the website, but if you prefer something a bit safer in an organization, you can do multisignatures between the board members to sign transactions 3/5 people or something. |
| 03:19.06 | valorie | CorvetteZR1: you might have better luck in #kde-devel in a few hours |
| 03:19.21 | CorvetteZR1 | k |
| 03:19.37 | valorie | although this is the weekend -- much of the active KDE devel community is european, so during euro-hours |
| 03:19.38 | sleepyhead | so what are your requirements for accepting bitcoin? do you need multisig like clueless says? a donation form? |
| 03:20.10 | sleepyhead | i imagine you guys would want to collect the donor's email address and name at least |
| 03:20.33 | TRS-80 | optionally, I would hope |
| 03:20.35 | sleepyhead | there must be regulatory requirements that you must satisfy |
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| 03:20.57 | valorie | yes, and the board would know about those things |
| 03:21.04 | cluelessperson | Yeah, ultimately, I know generally how to get things done, but the specifics will be up to the exact requirements. |
| 03:21.07 | valorie | I only know that there is interest |
| 03:21.28 | cluelessperson | I like multisig because it will make it usable safely in an organization. You don't have to trust a single person to handle all the funds. |
| 03:21.45 | valorie | so anyone who is actually offering to help make it happen, please write to the board |
| 03:21.50 | cluelessperson | it's not one computer to be hacked/malwared, etc. |
| 03:21.56 | valorie | right |
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| 03:22.07 | sleepyhead | how do you write to the board? |
| 03:22.07 | TRS-80 | I was about to say, cluelessperson do you mind reaching out to the board? |
| 03:22.13 | cluelessperson | valorie: I'm some random mod in #bitcoin that came over. I don't know how to contact your board. :P |
| 03:22.17 | TRS-80 | and/or sleepyhead |
| 03:22.24 | valorie | an e.V. is a legal entity and bound by German tax law |
| 03:22.25 | cluelessperson | TRS-80: I could, sure, can you PM me an email addrss? |
| 03:22.34 | TRS-80 | https://ev.kde.org/corporate/board.php |
| 03:22.43 | cluelessperson | dur, okay dokey |
| 03:23.20 | TRS-80 | looks like kde-ev-board@kde.org to reach everyone, plus individual addresses are listed |
| 03:23.35 | valorie | the whole board would be best |
| 03:23.43 | cluelessperson | TRS-80: valorie As much as I'm not really a fan of 3rd parties, they might consider accepting bitcoin through a 3rd party like coinbase or bitpay for easy integration to USD |
| 03:23.55 | cluelessperson | if they want to deal in bitcoin directly as well, that can be arranged. |
| 03:23.57 | valorie | and then I assume that one of them would assign themselves as the primary contact |
| 03:24.10 | valorie | doesn't need to do dollars |
| 03:24.20 | valorie | just euro for the most part |
| 03:24.26 | valorie | German org |
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| 03:38.11 | dviola | it is also important to consider that bitcoin can go up with its value (it's a deflationary currency), so it might make sense to hold BTC and convert it to cash only when necessary |
| 03:38.39 | dviola | for example, I was lucky to receive BTC when the price was at $600 and now it's almost 6K |
| 03:39.01 | warxhead | however, the opposite is true in which it *could* go down |
| 03:39.09 | dviola | yes |
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| 03:45.50 | cluelessperson | I gotta go for the moment I'll email them |
| 03:46.18 | valorie | thanks! |
| 04:00.51 | dviola | cluelessperson: thanks |
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| 04:04.20 | Megver83[m] | KDE the best \o/ |
| 04:06.06 | valorie | :-) |
| 04:06.11 | valorie | I agree, Megver83[m] |
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| 04:08.29 | Megver83[m] | valorie: yea, it's the true in its pure state :-D |
| 04:10.22 | Megver83[m] | I appear as Megver83[m]? That's strange 'cause I have it as Megver83 |
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| 04:11.08 | valorie | Megver83[m]: because you came into IRC through matrix |
| 04:11.20 | Megver83[m] | Yea, I noticed so |
| 04:11.35 | valorie | if I was using matrix right now you wouldn't have the [m] |
| 04:11.41 | valorie | there |
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| 04:17.30 | pierrot | Good night |
| 04:18.22 | pierrot | I'm trying to make uim work in KDE Plasma 5 without success |
| 04:18.58 | pierrot | I mean, it does work with GTK applications but not with Qt5 |
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| 04:27.41 | crazy | pierrot: maybe bc this ? https://github.com/uim/uim/pull/96 |
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| 04:30.05 | crazy | pierrot: support for Qt5 && Plasma 5 seems to be missing or broken in uim |
| 04:31.13 | crazy | pierrot: maybe try to use ibus .. it should work fine |
| 04:31.33 | pierrot | crazy: thanks for your response |
| 04:31.58 | pierrot | yeah, it seems that uim still doesn't support Qt5 and KDE Plasma 5... |
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| 08:53.08 | Vika | Hallo :) |
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| 08:55.17 | Vika | Windows records a lot of user activity such as what programs were uses, what files were created and accessed etc... Doess KDE Neon also record user activiry in this manor - I'm asking in terms of user privacy...so after I reboot, how much of my old session info remains accessable? |
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| 08:58.34 | Vika | no one? |
| 09:00.32 | thiago | Vika: there's a "recent documents" feature |
| 09:00.55 | thiago | it is accessed by the open and save file dialogs, so you can easily find files you've just opened or saved |
| 09:01.02 | thiago | but nothing is ever transmitted |
| 09:01.37 | Vika | hi thiago, ah good to know...and that list could probably be cleared by something such as BleachBit for Linux? |
| 09:01.48 | thiago | yes, or a simple rm -rf |
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| 09:03.01 | thiago | /home/tjmaciei/.local/share/RecentDocuments/ |
| 09:03.13 | thiago | you can probably preempt the saving completely by making that dir unreadable |
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| 09:03.33 | thiago | replace the username with yours, of course |
| 09:03.55 | Vika | thank you thiago, so no other session data is stored like in Windows... I'm in a paranoid stage LOL, so please forgive me. I have installe KDE Neon and it is the best Linux experience I have ever had ... |
| 09:03.56 | kishore96 | There's also a file somewhere with recent krunner queries, IIRC. |
| 09:04.23 | thiago | yes, krunner records its query history, just like shells record history |
| 09:04.29 | thiago | browsers record your history too |
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| 09:05.28 | thiago | if you've configured Plasma for saving the session, then it will save the application list you had open when you log off and ask those applications to save their state too |
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| 09:05.42 | thiago | you can turn this off and ask Plasma to always start a brand, new blank session |
| 09:06.14 | Vika | hmmm I forgot about that one |
| 09:06.26 | thiago | in any case, nothing ever transmitte, everything is inside your home dir, usually in very easy to find files that you can delte |
| 09:06.29 | thiago | delete |
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| 09:07.12 | Vika | my line of thought was to sort of comapre whats left after rebooting an installed version vs running it live off of a pendrive.... |
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| 09:09.00 | thiago | a lot of stuff saved in ~/.config and ~/.local/share |
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| 09:09.30 | Vika | hmmm let me have a quick look... |
| 09:09.37 | Vika | toor |
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| 09:10.45 | Vika | sorry...meant to say TOR could be used I suppose to sort the browser out... |
| 09:13.17 | kishore96 | Most browsers have options to not store history. |
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| 09:13.54 | Vika | sort of like "Private Browsing"... |
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| 09:14.21 | kishore96 | Even in a normal session, you can clear history on exit. |
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| 09:14.39 | kishore96 | BTW, firefox's private mode blocks some trackers too, IIRC. |
| 09:14.44 | Vika | ah yes, I forgot about that part |
| 09:16.37 | Vika | ok so, far I have use Firefox Browser in Private mode, save all documents in Cryptainer... |
| 09:17.25 | Vika | what about temp files, like in Windows, it has Temp folder to keep duplicates/copies of files in use and sometimes never removes them even.... |
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| 11:10.28 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
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| 11:27.32 | lord_rob | Hi! When I'm using Windows, I have my desktop icons correctly aligned on a grid. And they all have the same size. Isn't it possible to do that with plasmoids that don't represent a directory view on the desktop ? |
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| 14:33.46 | pierrot | I configured ibus as input method but my customized ~/.XCompose file isn't taked into account |
| 14:34.01 | pierrot | took* |
| 14:35.21 | V7 | Hey all |
| 14:35.30 | V7 | KDE Ceonnect can't see my device |
| 14:35.46 | V7 | Also KDE COnnect app can't see a PC with KDE Connect |
| 14:35.56 | V7 | Btw I can ping device with a computer |
| 14:36.08 | V7 | And KDE Connect app sees other PC's in network |
| 14:36.54 | V7 | Btw I've added an IP manually and nothing |
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| 15:18.21 | JanKusanagi | so the KDE connect app on Android can't see the PC (but can see other PC's), and the PC can't see that Android device? |
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| 16:54.24 | sunitknandi | hey bshah |
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| 16:57.12 | liquid | hi. Dunno if this is the kde neon support channel but i,ll give a shot. Is there any way to remove those (ugly imo) shortcut sign off the desktop icons in kde5 ? You know,the ones that appear near an icon when you added to the desktop ? Other than that, thanks for Neon ! Works a treat,and its light and nice |
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| 16:58.04 | phenom | What the deuce. How do clear the kickoff cache? I open kickoff and type "music" and it references folders I've since deleted. I can right click on them and "open containing folder" and nothing happens. Any thoughts? |
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| 16:58.18 | phenom | How do I* |
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| 17:45.43 | omarramo | hey guys, how can i disable middle click paste when using libinput for my touchpad? |
| 17:46.49 | thiago | first, that's not libinput |
| 17:46.51 | thiago | second, you cannot |
| 17:47.10 | omarramo | oh ok |
| 17:47.48 | thiago | well, you could make libinput drop the middle click completely. Then Qt won't paste the selection. |
| 17:47.57 | thiago | make it a useless button |
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| 17:51.32 | ptselios | Hello everyone, |
| 17:51.41 | ptselios | After my upgrade to Fedora 26, my syslog is full of messages like the following: |
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| 17:57.32 | omarramo | thiago: so is there a long term solution to this problem? |
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| 17:57.42 | thiago | it's not a problem |
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| 17:58.26 | omarramo | so we cant disable middle mouse button click and everyone is fine with that or what? |
| 17:58.38 | thiago | correct |
| 17:58.43 | omarramo | alright |
| 17:58.55 | thiago | middle click is supposed to paste the selection |
| 17:59.20 | omarramo | but why not have the option to disable it? |
| 17:59.26 | omarramo | as with most features |
| 17:59.30 | thiago | because it's always been like that |
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| 17:59.45 | omarramo | thats not a good reason imo but whatever |
| 18:00.21 | thiago | each toolkit implements it again, so it would take all toolkits agreeing on disabling it, with the same config |
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| 18:00.29 | thiago | it's just not going to happe |
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| 18:00.36 | omarramo | ah I see |
| 18:01.04 | thiago | that's why I said it's not a libinput issue. It's a toolkit issue. |
| 18:01.30 | thiago | you can remap the click to something else, like Button8 |
| 18:02.50 | omarramo | hm. my problem is that I use libinput-gestures so I have a 3 finger swipe to switch workspaces etc. the paste often gets triggered by mistake. I also dont want to loose the general middle mouse click though |
| 18:03.24 | thiago | I have no idea what libinput-gestures is |
| 18:03.40 | thiago | you can disable the three-finger tap becoming a middle click |
| 18:03.57 | omarramo | how would I do that? |
| 18:03.58 | thiago | synclient TapButton2=0 |
| 18:04.12 | thiago | sorry, TapButton3=0 |
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| 18:04.22 | thiago | you can make it permanent in the systemsettings touchpad config |
| 18:05.59 | omarramo | ok, thanks! |
| 18:06.33 | liquiddddd | why removing of Vlc would remove most of the plasma in Kde Neon ? Is vlc now a dependency for running kde ? |
| 18:06.53 | liquiddddd | jus tried to remove it, dont like vlc. |
| 18:07.10 | tosky | you should ask on neon channels |
| 18:07.21 | liquiddddd | I would if I knew which are those |
| 18:07.23 | tosky | it may be a dependency on the phonon plugin |
| 18:07.41 | liquiddddd | thats why I came here,since Neon is actually a KDE PROJECT, if I understood correctly |
| 18:07.59 | liquiddddd | but I installed phonon-gstreamer first.. |
| 18:08.05 | tosky | the neon contacts are on the neon website, let me dig it |
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| 18:08.25 | thiago | phonon-vlc is the only supported backend these days |
| 18:08.35 | thiago | you can remove vlc, but not libvlc |
| 18:08.45 | thiago | whether neon allows that combination or not, I have no clue |
| 18:08.47 | tosky | thiago: it's not the only backend |
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| 18:09.13 | liquiddddd | that would be okay,I would keep libvlc,but I cant remove not even Vlv |
| 18:09.14 | tosky | liquiddddd: https://neon.kde.org/ -> if you check the "Community" menu, there are various contacts |
| 18:09.30 | liquiddddd | tosky, thanks, i.ll take a look. |
| 18:10.16 | liquiddddd | ah they have an irc then |
| 18:10.20 | liquiddddd | gonna ask there |
| 18:10.39 | liquiddddd | or not..Im the only one there |
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| 23:22.19 | Redrield | Is there a way that I can force an app into a certain workspace/activity or whatever the terminology is when it starts |
| 23:22.47 | Redrield | w/ i3 I could just add a line to my config so that a window with a certain class would be forced into the workspace of my choosing, but I don't know if any DEs offer the same sort of thing |
| 23:22.51 | Redrield | Plasma btw |
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| 23:34.37 | oprypin | Redrield, Window Rules |
| 23:35.02 | oprypin | or Special Application Settings in window context menu (Alt+F3) |
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