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00:42.01 | scrush[m] | mike-zal I've tried and got not problem with that config. |
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03:36.52 | dexterk | hello all , I use kdevelop, got this error undefined reference to `KIcon::~KIcon()' , |
03:37.57 | dexterk | could not find any info to slove this |
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10:26.44 | mplavsic | hi! I've been looking for the Night Light package since I'm using Plasma on Wayland, bu I haven't found it. Is it possible to install it on KDE Neon? |
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11:00.40 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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11:03.43 | rly | Is there something I can do to make KDE5 not slow? |
11:04.15 | rly | Creating previews of my 5 shells takes around 5 seconds. |
11:04.26 | rly | So, switching a terminal takes 6.5 seconds or so. |
11:05.37 | Travankor | make plasma start a new session intstead of resuming session on reboot |
11:06.12 | rly | Travankor: why would that make a difference? |
11:06.30 | rly | Travankor: I actually like the fact that terminal windows are opened in the right directories. |
11:06.59 | rly | The minimum practical system requirements have just gone up, I think. |
11:07.27 | Travankor | so get an ssd then? |
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11:12.41 | asturm | rly: not really, Plasma-5 is typically faster than 4 |
11:13.16 | rly | I don't really see why Plasma needs to hit the disk so much. |
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11:13.44 | rly | It's like the existence of SSDs resulted in extremely sloppy I/O programming. |
11:13.45 | asturm | rly: do you have baloo indexing files right now? |
11:13.48 | rly | asturm: no |
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11:31.39 | BluesKaj | rly, is this slowness, right after bootup? check now to see if it persists |
11:34.12 | rly | BluesKaj: no, it is slow to click on konsole on my menu bar. The result of the few items that it displays takes more than one second. |
11:34.25 | rly | BluesKaj: the correct time for such an operation would be 5 ms. |
11:34.35 | rly | I.e. > 200 times faster on this hardware. |
11:34.36 | cousin_luigi | Effects compounded by software acceleration, I'd wager. |
11:34.47 | rly | I have an nvidia chip in this laptop. |
11:35.03 | rly | The menu options given for accelleration don't make sense, though. |
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11:35.14 | cousin_luigi | How do you mean? |
11:35.18 | rly | Some options are displayed that are not supported by the hardware. |
11:35.33 | BluesKaj | rly, have you checked system monitor to see which processes are eating up your cpu ? |
11:35.35 | asturm | well, nvidia chips don't make sense |
11:36.07 | rly | It is an old version, though: GLX version: 1.4 |
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11:36.36 | rly | Does KDE work on a 4K screen, btw? |
11:36.42 | asturm | sure, why would it not |
11:36.58 | asturm | using it at a 4k24 screen |
11:37.11 | rly | What is the 24 suffix? |
11:37.14 | asturm | 24" |
11:37.17 | rly | OK |
11:37.41 | asturm | so quite dense dpi |
11:37.55 | asturm | if that was the question about, because at 30" I would regard 4k as the standard res |
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11:38.19 | rly | asturm: but is there no way to compute like it was 2010 with KDE5? ;) |
11:38.37 | asturm | rly: i was using Plasma-5, if you mean that, on my X200s from 2008 until it died |
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11:39.10 | asturm | that's a meagre intel onboard chip# |
11:39.17 | asturm | and it was a big improvement over plasma-4 |
11:39.26 | rly | asturm: is it a good idea to disable the compositor? |
11:39.31 | asturm | no reason to |
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11:40.00 | asturm | something's definitely fishy about your graphics config if you have 1sec delays |
11:41.07 | rly | asturm: direct rendering is enabled according to glxinfo |
11:41.33 | rly | asturm: I am also not sure what the XRender backend means. |
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11:42.05 | rly | asturm: in a certain sense I don't want to care as a user about the graphics backend being used, because in software it should be possible to automatically optimize that. |
11:43.01 | rly | I think it would also be fine if KDE would just refuse to run when it detects a chip that is not supported. |
11:43.16 | asturm | rly: KDE is a community, it does not run computers |
11:43.27 | rly | asturm: sorry, old habit. Plasma. |
11:43.30 | asturm | and it is not KDE's job to configure your graphics driver |
11:43.41 | asturm | XRender means you do not run with OpenGL |
11:43.47 | rly | asturm: OK, who's job is it? |
11:43.52 | asturm | you can't choose an OpenGL backend? none available? |
11:44.07 | asturm | rly: either your distro's your your own |
11:44.09 | rly | asturm: I can choose OpenGL 3.1 too, but that was released after the chip. |
11:44.22 | asturm | rly: 2.0 please |
11:44.37 | rly | asturm: it was already set to that. |
11:44.46 | asturm | so why did you mention xrenderà |
11:45.05 | rly | asturm: because I didn't know what it actually meant. |
11:45.18 | asturm | rly: if it was set to opengl2.0 then it is already the optimal setting |
11:45.39 | rly | In that case "optimal" is still really, really sow. |
11:45.40 | rly | slow |
11:45.49 | rly | xfce4 doesn't have such issues. |
11:45.56 | asturm | because it doesn't use opengl |
11:46.04 | asturm | and does not expose issues with your driver like that |
11:46.16 | rly | So, you are saying that the memory bandwidth is really low, for example? |
11:46.31 | asturm | I didn't mention that anywhere |
11:46.46 | rly | No, not specifically, but apparently using graphics hardware makes it slower. |
11:47.11 | rly | nvidia wouldn't sell anything, if that was their value proposition. |
11:47.13 | asturm | rly: any memory bandwidth will be better than the one on my ancient intel chip's |
11:47.30 | rly | asturm: I have a t5800 in this one. |
11:48.07 | asturm | rly: glxinfo | grep render |
11:48.29 | rly | asturm: direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9200M GS/PCIe/SSE2 GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info, GL_NV_ES1_1_compatibility, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_path_rendering, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info, GL_NV_ES1_1_compatibility, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_path_renderin |
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11:51.27 | Falcon` | rly do you use nouveau or nvida binary drivers? |
11:51.37 | rly | Falcon`: nvidia |
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11:52.04 | Falcon` | could you check which version exactly? |
11:52.18 | rly | Falcon`: 340 something |
11:53.40 | rly | Falcon`: 340.102 |
11:55.22 | Falcon` | right, let me check something real quick |
11:56.58 | Falcon` | so, this card seems to be realtively old |
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11:57.17 | Falcon` | and while you do have correct driver version for it (latest nvidia seems t obe 384) |
11:57.24 | Falcon` | i'd still recommed you try nouveau instead |
11:57.48 | Falcon` | while nvidia binary drivers are best for latest and greatest GPUs |
11:57.53 | rly | Falcon`: nouveau? Never :) |
11:57.57 | Falcon` | nouveau tends to be better on the... more legacy software |
11:58.03 | Falcon` | why not? |
11:58.10 | rly | Falcon`: I have never ever seen it work properly. |
11:58.23 | rly | Falcon`: part of the reason is that it cannot work properly. |
11:58.36 | rly | Falcon`: GPUs are incredibly complicated even with documentation. |
11:59.21 | Falcon` | then you're stuck in nvidia's shithole |
11:59.41 | Falcon` | you use driver version they no longer care about and you're unable to switch to alternative |
11:59.47 | Travankor | Im using nouveau on nvidia 9400gt |
11:59.57 | rly | Travankor: and it has no shitty performance? |
12:00.08 | Falcon` | at the very least disable desktop effects entirely then |
12:00.08 | Travankor | works fine |
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12:03.04 | Falcon` | assuming your PC is EFI capable you can also give a try to modesetting driver |
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12:03.15 | Falcon` | but then again, i'm pretty sure it's just nouveau beneath it |
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12:26.26 | BluesKaj | Falcon`, if you haven't installed the recommended driver in system settings>driver manager then nouveau is it |
12:27.02 | Satyam2345 | https://imgur.com/U4dEaE7 .. needed a bit help about this |
12:29.30 | Satyam2345 | using amdgpu (open source driver) , Amd rx 550 graphic |
12:29.45 | Satyam2345 | distro: Arch linux |
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12:51.27 | hateball | Satyam2345: any difference if you use opengl 2.0 instead? |
12:52.06 | Satyam2345 | nope |
12:52.52 | Satyam2345 | the screen start tearing at random after few minutes or hours |
12:55.48 | hateball | Sadly don't know anything about AMD really |
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12:56.01 | hateball | I use intel and nvidia and those both work fine for me |
12:58.01 | Satyam2345 | i am sure i am missing something maybe as this wasnt a problem until reinstall of arch a week ago |
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13:19.49 | BluesKaj | Falcon`, sorry, just noticed you aren't the one with the nvidia issue ...I'm a bit slow toady, need more coffee:-) |
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15:29.48 | LazyGnoll | jcelerier: you probably need some sort of dbus notification service |
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15:54.54 | wodencafe | Hey do you guys use Konversation? |
15:55.08 | Sho_ | yeah |
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15:55.33 | wodencafe | So, ever since upgrading to Kubuntu 17.10, I've been getting random segfaults with Konversation. |
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15:55.55 | wodencafe | Have you all experienced anything similar? |
15:56.03 | Sho_ | Which version? |
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15:56.18 | wodencafe | 1.7.2 |
15:56.28 | Sho_ | Upgrade to 1.7.3 or .4 |
15:56.59 | wodencafe | Ok I'll try it. Got to go find it since that version is not yet in the repos. |
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15:57.56 | jcelerier | LazyGnoll: :( |
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16:08.11 | Ruhangiz | Hey dear people, is the search for files and folders inside Dolphin the same than using krunner? |
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16:09.28 | Ruhangiz | Oh - Plasma is 5.10.5 Frameworks is 5.37.0 Qt is 5.9.1 |
16:10.48 | cb400f | yes, the underlying technology is called Baloo |
16:11.12 | cb400f | (the stuff that indexes and searches your files) |
16:12.02 | cb400f | and is configurable via systemsettings -> search -> file search |
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16:12.56 | cb400f | well... krunner has a ton of plugins, baloo search is only one of them |
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16:21.28 | asturm | no, dolphin has a search for files and folders not related to baloo |
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16:21.39 | asturm | I know that, because I don't have baloo installed. |
16:23.01 | cb400f | hm, maybe it has some fallback to kfind, but I thought it was fully baloo based now |
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16:26.02 | cb400f | looking closer it seems you can actually configure dolphin to use either baloo, kfind, gnome-search-tool or catfish |
16:26.14 | cb400f | pats dolphin |
16:27.09 | cb400f | if installed |
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16:34.57 | Ruhangiz | thanks asturm and cb400f |
16:35.58 | Ruhangiz | I am looking for a way to let the search include: hidden directories, hidden files and parts of filenames |
16:36.12 | Ruhangiz | I'll look into your hints now |
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16:40.38 | Ruhangiz | Mmh there is no option inside dolphin or systemsettings to configure which search to use... |
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16:41.25 | Ruhangiz | And in system settings there is no possibility to configure the way it searches |
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16:43.42 | Ruhangiz | Additionally in systemsearch the only excluded folder is [var] so it should find hidden files/folders or files/folders inside hidden folders, right? |
16:44.04 | wodencafe | Hey Sho_ thanks for the idea earlier to get the latest, that seems to have fixed the seg fault |
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16:46.16 | Ruhangiz | Oh I meant systemsettings not systemserach |
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16:53.31 | Sho_ | wodencafe: cool, yw |
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16:57.11 | Ruhangiz | cb400f: thanks for the hint to kfind - this is what I was looking for - how can I replace baloosearch by kfind? (baloosearch seems quite inferior to kfind to me, no?) |
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16:57.47 | cb400f | kfind is just file and folder search, baloo can search for file content |
16:58.51 | cb400f | in dolphin press ctrl+F -> then "More Search tools" -> Configure |
16:59.07 | cb400f | it's there in dophin 17.04 at least |
17:02.31 | Ruhangiz | cb400f: okay, so my version is too old for that but 17.0.8 is already in experimental so it might not be long - nonetheless: how come, that baloosearch only finds full expressions and not parts of expressions? |
17:03.33 | Ruhangiz | or is this fixed in later versions? |
17:04.29 | cb400f | dunno, for me it's "auto truncated" so it finds everything that matches my search string, dunno if it does any advanced stuff with wildcards and multistrings and stuff |
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17:13.17 | Ruhangiz | cb400f: which baloo version do you have? (Mine is 5.37.0) |
17:13.59 | cb400f | oooold 5.32 frameworks/baloo |
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17:18.04 | Ruhangiz | cb400f: okay .. things getting stranger :) and if you e.g. want to find a file named information.txt and search for nfo - does it give you the file? My search has to begin with the i to find it. |
17:18.55 | cb400f | works for me |
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17:20.06 | Ruhangiz | Strange - so either this is a setback or my Frameworks don't work properly |
17:20.23 | Ruhangiz | Anyone here with Frameworks/Baloo 5.37.0? |
17:23.06 | Ruhangiz | I would like to find out wether my frameworks behave wrong or if it is a bug - so if anyone with Frameworks 5.37.0 could try this I'd be very grateful |
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18:32.47 | lord_rob | Hi! I'm asking myself if it's me or if it's because of an update but each time I start KDE, it asks me for my wallet password. How can I disable that? |
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18:43.55 | clavi | lord_rob: probably because your WiFi password is stored encrypted inside kwallet |
18:44.24 | kishore96 | You should be able to open the networkmanager thing and change the password storage to 'unencrypted'. |
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