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00:42.01scrush[m]mike-zal I've tried and got not problem with that config.
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03:36.52dexterkhello all , I use kdevelop, got this error  undefined reference to `KIcon::~KIcon()'  ,
03:37.57dexterkcould not find any info to slove this
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10:26.44mplavsichi! I've been looking for the Night Light package since I'm using Plasma on Wayland, bu I haven't found it. Is it possible to install it on KDE Neon?
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11:00.40BluesKajHowdy folks
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11:03.43rlyIs there something I can do to make KDE5 not slow?
11:04.15rlyCreating previews of my 5 shells takes around 5 seconds.
11:04.26rlySo, switching a terminal takes 6.5 seconds or so.
11:05.37Travankormake plasma start a new session intstead of resuming session on reboot
11:06.12rlyTravankor: why would that make a difference?
11:06.30rlyTravankor: I actually like the fact that terminal windows are opened in the right directories.
11:06.59rlyThe minimum practical system requirements have just gone up, I think.
11:07.27Travankorso get an ssd then?
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11:12.41asturmrly: not really, Plasma-5 is typically faster than 4
11:13.16rlyI don't really see why Plasma needs to hit the disk so much.
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11:13.44rlyIt's like the existence of SSDs resulted in extremely sloppy I/O programming.
11:13.45asturmrly: do you have baloo indexing files right now?
11:13.48rlyasturm: no
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11:31.39BluesKajrly, is this slowness, right after bootup?  check now to see if it persists
11:34.12rlyBluesKaj: no, it is slow to click on konsole on my menu bar. The result of the few items that it displays takes more than one second.
11:34.25rlyBluesKaj: the correct time for such an operation would be 5 ms.
11:34.35rlyI.e. > 200 times faster on this hardware.
11:34.36cousin_luigiEffects compounded by software acceleration, I'd wager.
11:34.47rlyI have an nvidia chip in this laptop.
11:35.03rlyThe menu options given for accelleration don't make sense, though.
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11:35.14cousin_luigiHow do you mean?
11:35.18rlySome options are displayed that are not supported by the hardware.
11:35.33BluesKajrly, have you checked system monitor to see which processes are eating up your cpu ?
11:35.35asturmwell, nvidia chips don't make sense
11:36.07rlyIt is an old version, though: GLX version: 1.4
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11:36.36rlyDoes KDE work on a 4K screen, btw?
11:36.42asturmsure, why would it not
11:36.58asturmusing it at a 4k24 screen
11:37.11rlyWhat is the 24 suffix?
11:37.14asturm24"
11:37.17rlyOK
11:37.41asturmso quite dense dpi
11:37.55asturmif that was the question about, because at 30" I would regard 4k as the standard res
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11:38.19rlyasturm: but is there no way to compute like it was 2010 with KDE5? ;)
11:38.37asturmrly: i was using Plasma-5, if you mean that, on my X200s from 2008 until it died
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11:39.10asturmthat's a meagre intel onboard chip#
11:39.17asturmand it was a big improvement over plasma-4
11:39.26rlyasturm: is it a good idea to disable the compositor?
11:39.31asturmno reason to
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11:40.00asturmsomething's definitely fishy about your graphics config if you have 1sec delays
11:41.07rlyasturm: direct rendering is enabled according to glxinfo
11:41.33rlyasturm: I am also not sure what the XRender backend means.
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11:42.05rlyasturm: in a certain sense I don't want to care as a user about the graphics backend being used, because in software it should be possible to automatically optimize that.
11:43.01rlyI think it would also be fine if KDE would just refuse to run when it detects a chip that is not supported.
11:43.16asturmrly: KDE is a community, it does not run computers
11:43.27rlyasturm: sorry, old habit. Plasma.
11:43.30asturmand it is not KDE's job to configure your graphics driver
11:43.41asturmXRender means you do not run with OpenGL
11:43.47rlyasturm: OK, who's job is it?
11:43.52asturmyou can't choose an OpenGL backend? none available?
11:44.07asturmrly: either your distro's your your own
11:44.09rlyasturm: I can choose OpenGL 3.1 too, but that was released after the chip.
11:44.22asturmrly: 2.0 please
11:44.37rlyasturm: it was already set to that.
11:44.46asturmso why did you mention xrenderß
11:45.05rlyasturm: because I didn't know what it actually meant.
11:45.18asturmrly: if it was set to opengl2.0 then it is already the optimal setting
11:45.39rlyIn that case "optimal" is still really, really sow.
11:45.40rlyslow
11:45.49rlyxfce4 doesn't have such issues.
11:45.56asturmbecause it doesn't use opengl
11:46.04asturmand does not expose issues with your driver like that
11:46.16rlySo, you are saying that the memory bandwidth is really low, for example?
11:46.31asturmI didn't mention that anywhere
11:46.46rlyNo, not specifically, but apparently using graphics hardware makes it slower.
11:47.11rlynvidia wouldn't sell anything, if that was their value proposition.
11:47.13asturmrly: any memory bandwidth will be better than the one on my ancient intel chip's
11:47.30rlyasturm: I have a t5800 in this one.
11:48.07asturmrly: glxinfo | grep render
11:48.29rlyasturm: direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9200M GS/PCIe/SSE2     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info,      GL_NV_ES1_1_compatibility, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render,      GL_NV_path_rendering, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite,      GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_NVX_gpu_memory_info,      GL_NV_ES1_1_compatibility, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_conditional_render,      GL_NV_path_renderin
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11:51.27Falcon`rly do you use nouveau or nvida binary drivers?
11:51.37rlyFalcon`: nvidia
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11:52.04Falcon`could you check which version exactly?
11:52.18rlyFalcon`: 340 something
11:53.40rlyFalcon`: 340.102
11:55.22Falcon`right, let me check something real quick
11:56.58Falcon`so, this card seems to be realtively old
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11:57.17Falcon`and while you do have correct driver version for it (latest nvidia seems t obe 384)
11:57.24Falcon`i'd still recommed you try nouveau instead
11:57.48Falcon`while nvidia binary drivers are best for latest and greatest GPUs
11:57.53rlyFalcon`: nouveau? Never :)
11:57.57Falcon`nouveau tends to be better on the... more legacy software
11:58.03Falcon`why not?
11:58.10rlyFalcon`: I have never ever seen it work properly.
11:58.23rlyFalcon`: part of the reason is that it cannot work properly.
11:58.36rlyFalcon`: GPUs are incredibly complicated even with documentation.
11:59.21Falcon`then you're stuck in nvidia's shithole
11:59.41Falcon`you use driver version they no longer care about and you're unable to switch to alternative
11:59.47TravankorIm using nouveau on nvidia 9400gt
11:59.57rlyTravankor: and it has no shitty performance?
12:00.08Falcon`at the very least disable desktop effects entirely then
12:00.08Travankorworks fine
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12:03.04Falcon`assuming your PC is EFI capable you can also give a try to modesetting driver
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12:03.15Falcon`but then again, i'm pretty sure it's just nouveau beneath it
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12:26.26BluesKajFalcon`, if you haven't installed the recommended driver in system settings>driver manager then nouveau is it
12:27.02Satyam2345https://imgur.com/U4dEaE7 .. needed a bit help about this
12:29.30Satyam2345using amdgpu (open source driver) , Amd rx 550 graphic
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12:51.27hateballSatyam2345: any difference if you use opengl 2.0 instead?
12:52.06Satyam2345nope
12:52.52Satyam2345the screen start tearing at random after few minutes or hours
12:55.48hateballSadly don't know anything about AMD really
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12:56.01hateballI use intel and nvidia and those both work fine for me
12:58.01Satyam2345i am sure i am missing something maybe as this wasnt a problem until reinstall of arch a week ago
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13:19.49BluesKajFalcon`, sorry, just noticed you aren't the one with the nvidia issue ...I'm a bit slow toady, need more coffee:-)
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14:23.55TuorHi, I want konsole to do not interpret embedded linebreaks when I paste  something in konsole.
14:24.00TuorIs this possible?
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15:13.56jcelerierhi :) is there a way to get dolphin to show file copy notifications ? (I don't use KDE at all, just dolphin)
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15:29.48LazyGnolljcelerier: you probably need some sort of dbus notification service
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15:54.54wodencafeHey do you guys use Konversation?
15:55.08Sho_yeah
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15:55.33wodencafeSo, ever since upgrading to Kubuntu 17.10, I've been getting random segfaults with Konversation.
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15:55.55wodencafeHave you all experienced anything similar?
15:56.03Sho_Which version?
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15:56.18wodencafe1.7.2
15:56.28Sho_Upgrade to 1.7.3 or .4
15:56.59wodencafeOk I'll try it. Got to go find it since that version is not yet in the repos.
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16:08.11RuhangizHey dear people, is the search for files and folders inside Dolphin the same than using krunner?
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16:09.28RuhangizOh - Plasma is 5.10.5 Frameworks is 5.37.0 Qt is 5.9.1
16:10.48cb400fyes, the underlying technology is called Baloo
16:11.12cb400f(the stuff that indexes and searches your files)
16:12.02cb400fand is configurable via systemsettings -> search -> file search
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16:12.56cb400fwell... krunner has a ton of plugins, baloo search is only one of them
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16:21.28asturmno, dolphin has a search for files and folders not related to baloo
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16:21.39asturmI know that, because I don't have baloo installed.
16:23.01cb400fhm, maybe it has some fallback to kfind, but I thought it was fully baloo based now
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16:26.02cb400flooking closer it seems you can actually configure dolphin to use either baloo, kfind, gnome-search-tool or catfish
16:26.14cb400fpats dolphin
16:27.09cb400fif installed
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16:34.57Ruhangizthanks asturm and cb400f
16:35.58RuhangizI am looking for a way to let the search include: hidden directories, hidden files and parts of filenames
16:36.12RuhangizI'll look into your hints now
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16:40.38RuhangizMmh there is no option inside dolphin or systemsettings to configure which search to use...
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16:41.25RuhangizAnd in system settings there is no possibility to configure the way it searches
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16:43.42RuhangizAdditionally in systemsearch the only excluded folder is [var] so it should find hidden files/folders or files/folders inside hidden folders, right?
16:44.04wodencafeHey Sho_ thanks for the idea earlier to get the latest, that seems to have fixed the seg fault
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16:46.16RuhangizOh I meant systemsettings not systemserach
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16:53.31Sho_wodencafe: cool, yw
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16:57.11Ruhangizcb400f: thanks for the hint to kfind - this is what I was looking for - how can I replace baloosearch by kfind? (baloosearch seems quite inferior to kfind to me, no?)
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16:57.47cb400fkfind is just file and folder search, baloo can search for file content
16:58.51cb400fin dolphin press ctrl+F -> then "More Search tools" -> Configure
16:59.07cb400fit's there in dophin 17.04 at least
17:02.31Ruhangizcb400f: okay, so my version is too old for that but 17.0.8 is already in experimental so it might not be long - nonetheless: how come, that baloosearch only finds full expressions and not parts of expressions?
17:03.33Ruhangizor is this fixed in later versions?
17:04.29cb400fdunno, for me it's "auto truncated" so it finds everything that matches my search string, dunno if it does any advanced stuff with wildcards and multistrings and stuff
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17:13.17Ruhangizcb400f: which baloo version do you have? (Mine is 5.37.0)
17:13.59cb400foooold 5.32 frameworks/baloo
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17:18.04Ruhangizcb400f: okay .. things getting stranger :) and if you e.g. want to find a file named information.txt and search for nfo - does it give you the file? My search has to begin with the i to find it.
17:18.55cb400fworks for me
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17:20.06RuhangizStrange - so either this is a setback or my Frameworks don't work properly
17:20.23RuhangizAnyone here with Frameworks/Baloo 5.37.0?
17:23.06RuhangizI would like to find out wether my frameworks behave wrong or if it is a bug - so if anyone with Frameworks 5.37.0 could try this I'd be very grateful
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18:32.47lord_robHi! I'm asking myself if it's me or if it's because of an update but each time I start KDE, it asks me for my wallet password. How can I disable that?
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18:43.55clavilord_rob: probably because your WiFi password is stored encrypted inside kwallet
18:44.24kishore96You should be able to open the networkmanager thing and change the password storage to 'unencrypted'.
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