00:00.30 | sigise | Moult: Yep, any clicked&selected text shows up in both places -- in xclipboard & in klipper's pull down |
00:06.12 | Moult | sigise: I am not familiar with xclip board, but is there perhaps a way to know which clipboard is being displayed? |
00:12.45 | sigise | Moult: I have 'xclip' too, but when I launch it from shell, nothing happens. |
00:15.13 | sigise | If I exec "xclip -verbose -selection primary" I should just see the output there, in shell, right? |
00:15.25 | Moult | sigise: that sounds about correct |
00:15.33 | Moult | It is a command line application |
00:15.38 | sigise | Nuthin' :-/ |
00:15.57 | sigise | Other than the immediate "Using selection: XA_PRIMARY |
00:15.57 | sigise | Using UTF8_STRING.", that is |
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00:17.26 | Hangint3n | is it just me or is Kmail filtering and delete duplicates broken? |
00:19.02 | Hangint3n | I'm with rogers/yahoo mail here in Canada and I always get two of every email. I'm now forced to delete the duplicates by hand. Most annoying. |
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04:36.58 | zeratul976 | After upgrading from Plasma 4 to Plasma 5, right-clicking on a zip file in Dolphin or Konqueror no longer shows an "Extract" option. Any suggestions on how to get it back? Running Debian stable (Plasma 5.8.6) |
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04:43.13 | harlandski | Hello, I am running KDE Plasma Version 5.8.6 KDE Frameworks Version 5.28.0 QT Version 5.71 Kernel Version 4.9.0-5-amd64 Debian Gnu/Linux 9. I have just switched from Kubuntu 14.04 and KDE 4. I am looking for the functionality I had on Kde 4 of using a keyboard shortcut to grey out the desktop windows and reveal the desktop widgets over the top of them. Does such functionality exist on KDE 5 and if so how do I bind it to a keystroke |
04:43.14 | harlandski | combination? I have tried Googling but my query got lost in 'reveal desktop widget', which is not the same thing. I also have that installed, but would rather not reveal the whole desktop just to see my widgets. Thank you for your help :-) |
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05:05.34 | squeamish_kitty | hey there! I'm having an issue with my Plasma, whenever I play a fullscreen game on Steam the panels freeze completely. They retain their function, and I can click on them, but they don't "update". Also, desktop change animations are completely gone. |
05:06.14 | squeamish_kitty | And I'm having some system-wide screen tearing.. I'm running KDE Neon, fully updated. CPU is an Intel Core i3 6100, GPU is NVIDIA GTX 970 (Gigabyte G1) |
05:06.16 | squeamish_kitty | thanks in advance! |
05:07.51 | thiago | tearing is definitely a driver problem |
05:08.02 | thiago | though AFAIR it can't be completely fixed so long as you're in X |
05:08.06 | thiago | you need Wayland for the proper solution |
05:08.19 | squeamish_kitty | I did manage to fix it by opening the NVIDIA settings panel as root and forcing full composition pipeline then saving that to the X file |
05:08.48 | squeamish_kitty | but I understand that it can cause performance dropdowns and stuff like that |
05:08.59 | thiago | sorry, I have no idea about that |
05:09.02 | squeamish_kitty | um.. would my games work in Wayland? I understand that lots of apps aren't compatible :( |
05:09.09 | thiago | hasn't had an NVidia GPU in 7 years |
05:09.14 | squeamish_kitty | :O |
05:09.18 | squeamish_kitty | that makes sense |
05:09.28 | squeamish_kitty | it's OK :) |
05:09.32 | thiago | non-compatible apps are run under an X emulation |
05:09.41 | thiago | which means the problem won't go away inside the game |
05:09.47 | squeamish_kitty | including games? |
05:09.51 | thiago | yes |
05:09.57 | squeamish_kitty | does it affect performance if X is being emulated? |
05:10.07 | thiago | not that I know of |
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05:10.16 | thiago | the graphics pipeline is not emulated |
05:10.22 | thiago | it might, in fact, be even better |
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05:10.25 | thiago | but, YMMV |
05:10.31 | squeamish_kitty | hmm, what are the cons and pros of running Wayland? and how exactly would I go about running it? |
05:10.32 | squeamish_kitty | oh wow |
05:11.16 | ronnoc | [opinion] Team Red w/ open sauce drivers are the future of 'nix gaming and general graphics [/opinion] |
05:11.26 | thiago | well, for one thing, it fixes the architectural issue of where the compositor is, in the pipeline |
05:11.45 | thiago | that's the one thing that may give you performance and makes it possible to do proper vsync |
05:12.12 | thiago | ronnoc: open *sauce* ? |
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05:13.39 | harlandski | Hi, sorry, did anyone answer my question above? I accidentally logged out. |
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09:17.22 | flughafen | question... i am using konsole on i3, in opensuse, i setup ibus-mozc for an ime with japanese, but in konsole it doesn't work. it works in chrome, xterm, urxvt, everywhere else, except for konsole. |
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09:45.30 | flughafen | <PROTECTED> |
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10:05.15 | einar77_work | flughafen: did you install ibus-qt or whatever it's called in your distro? |
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10:05.45 | flughafen | um, i i'm pretty sure, let me double check |
10:06.17 | flughafen | einar77_work: yes, it is installed |
10:07.08 | einar77_work | what does "echo $QT_IM_MODULE" output? |
10:08.15 | flughafen | einar77_work: returns ibus |
10:08.20 | einar77_work | hmpf |
10:09.03 | einar77_work | I can't see why it shouldn't work |
10:09.13 | flughafen | einar77_work: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Write_and_Read_in_Japanese_using_an_occidental_system i just used that guide |
10:09.26 | einar77_work | flughafen: you're on openSUSE? |
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10:09.30 | flughafen | einar77_work: yes |
10:09.55 | einar77_work | edit /etc/sysconfig/language, put "ibus" in INPUT_METHOD |
10:10.02 | einar77_work | if you haven't done so already |
10:10.27 | flughafen | einar77_work: that was blank int he config |
10:10.38 | einar77_work | put ibus, and logout/login |
10:10.43 | einar77_work | after saving, that is |
10:10.55 | einar77_work | ugh |
10:11.00 | einar77_work | the guide isn't that great |
10:11.33 | einar77_work | flughafen: if you don't mind extra disk space, open YaST, language, and tick "Japanese" as an additional language |
10:11.40 | einar77_work | this will also donwload fonts etc |
10:11.40 | flughafen | ahehe |
10:11.47 | flughafen | thanks. |
10:12.07 | einar77_work | I can ensure you it works, I don't use ibus, but I do type Japanese in openSUSE ;) |
10:12.41 | flughafen | i'll just try the archlinux guide ;) |
10:13.00 | flughafen | brb |
10:14.10 | Tuor | is there an OT-channel for #kde? |
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10:14.40 | flughafen | ãã¯ãããããã¾ã |
10:15.07 | flughafen | thanks! |
10:17.58 | einar77_work | Tuor: I assume #kde-chat |
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10:25.18 | Tuor | flughafen, congrats. :) |
10:25.21 | Tuor | einar77_work, thx. :) |
10:26.10 | flughafen | yay! |
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10:28.30 | flughafen | peace out! |
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10:31.57 | Tuor | Is there a Debian-distro which ships current KDE? I don't meen KDE-Neon (I meen Debian, not Ubuntu. Yes I know Ubuntu is based on Debian). Why?: I want a rocksolid base-system but current applications running on it. :) |
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10:32.52 | shtrb | Tuor , sid is 5.10 (not neon but good enough) |
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10:34.22 | Tuor | shtrb, ah ok. thx. I'll apt -t unstable install some applications then. :) |
10:35.10 | shtrb | ask at OFTC , debian-next for the exact version |
10:35.28 | shtrb | It does not have all packages but some are there |
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10:35.54 | shtrb | *All new packages |
10:36.09 | themill | wouldn't call Debian 'unstable' a 'rock solid base' |
10:36.43 | shtrb | :) |
10:36.54 | shtrb | Tour ^ |
10:39.19 | harlandski | Now things are a bit more happening on the channel I'll ask my question again; Does KDE Plasma 5 have a similar function like Plasma 4 had, where you can grey out the active windows and see the desktop plasmoid widgets over them, without actually minimizing all windows? |
10:39.50 | shtrb | you mean transparency ? |
10:40.14 | harlandski | Don't think so. I mean that the widgets come to the foreground on demand. |
10:40.21 | harlandski | And can be interacted with |
10:40.30 | harlandski | Used to be very useful for timer, calculator etc. |
10:41.27 | harlandski | On my Kubuntu 14.04 box it was tied to ALT+SPACE |
10:41.44 | harlandski | Though I may have done that myself at some point :-p |
10:42.03 | asturm | harlandski: you mean 'show desktop'? |
10:42.15 | harlandski | No, not that either |
10:42.32 | asturm | though it sounds like it does that |
10:42.42 | asturm | but you want to keep the windows visible, just in background |
10:42.42 | harlandski | The windows stayed in place but were greyed out, and the widgets popped up over the top |
10:42.53 | harlandski | Right, it was just really handy on Plasma 4 is all |
10:43.16 | harlandski | I've only just switched to Plasma 5 and am trying to configure things as they were |
10:44.12 | harlandski | As neither of you (asturm, shtrb) know what I'm talking about, I guess it wasn't ported to 5 |
10:44.59 | shtrb | Maybe someone else would know, or you can try asking on one of the MLs |
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10:45.27 | harlandski | Sorry, what's an ML? |
10:45.42 | shtrb | Mailing List |
10:46.03 | harlandski | OK, thanks. Which one(s) would you recommend? |
10:47.29 | shtrb | astrum is it this kde@mail.kde.org or the devel ? |
10:47.39 | asturm | harlandski: well, I don't even remember it from Plasma-4 |
10:48.36 | shtrb | I also have no idea what you are talking about (maybe I wasn't using it) |
10:48.40 | asturm | shtrb: not sure actually. homepage says 'strictly for applications' and there is no special plasma user ml |
10:50.44 | harlandski | OK, while you're thinking I'm going to leave and see if I can get a screenshot at least. |
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10:51.50 | asturm | shtrb: kde list it will be |
10:52.28 | shtrb | harlandski , kde@mail.kde.org |
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11:01.40 | Vamp898 | Hi, i have an HiDPI Display (3200x1800) with the current Plasma/KDE Applications (Archlinux) i have problems using VirtualBox. I set the scaling in systemsettings to 2,0x and all VirtualBox VMs are only half size since that. Even when i go to fullscreen they stay at 1600x900 and are clustered in the middle of the screen surrounded by black |
11:01.56 | Vamp898 | Doing the same in GNOME with Scaling set to 200%, VirtualBox still works fine and the VM have full 3200x1800 resolution |
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11:06.25 | peterix | goes back to reinventing wheels |
11:06.33 | tosky | let's see if it was one shot or a bigger threat |
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11:07.26 | Vamp898 | Before the big spam i asked a question for those who have not noticed about scaling issues in KDE with VirtualBox :P |
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11:07.33 | e-anima | what is it with these bot people. |
11:07.52 | e-anima | Vamp898, scaling? you mean fullscreen? |
11:08.05 | e-anima | i run fullscreen windows in VB on kde on arch linux. works |
11:08.20 | peterix | display scaling? |
11:08.25 | tosky | Vamp898: it's not an answer, but if you are using a GNU/Linux distribution as base system, I would try using virt-manager/libvirt/kvm as VM system instead |
11:08.43 | Vamp898 | tosky: I need, at least rudimentary, 3D Support |
11:08.55 | Vamp898 | e-anima: I have an HiDPI Screen (3200x1800) and so i set display scaling to 2.0x. Since then the maximum resolution for VMs is 1600x900 |
11:09.20 | Vamp898 | On GNOME with scaling set to 200% the VMs still work fine and have 3200x1800 resolution |
11:09.21 | e-anima | ah ok. that is something i have no experience with. i mean such a big screen |
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11:11.24 | peterix | I would assume this is a virtualbox issue and should be fixed in virtualbox |
11:11.42 | peterix | or at least investigated further |
11:11.54 | Vamp898 | It only happens on KDE, that tells me its an KDE issue |
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11:14.40 | peterix | the question would be: how did you set display scaling to 2.0x? |
11:15.00 | peterix | what environment variables are set for vbox under KDE and gnome? |
11:15.06 | peterix | is there a difference? |
11:15.50 | harlandski | asturm: shtrb: I managed to get back into an old Kubuntu 14.04 installation I had and got a screenshot of what I was talking about https://ibb.co/iQZ36m It seems that this was called "Show [Widget] Dashboard" and the shortcut could be set in the Plasma section of Global Shortcuts. No such option on my install of 5 it seems (Plasma 5.8.6 on Debian 9) |
11:15.50 | Vamp898 | I opened the KDE System Settings --> Display and Monitor --> Scale Display (at the bottom) --> Set to 2 |
11:16.10 | Vamp898 | On GNOME it automatically detected my Screen Size and Resolution and decided to go to 200% (which is the same scaling) |
11:17.09 | Vamp898 | And that basically everything i did as this is a fresh installation and i have not setup anything yet except VirtualBox (because my RAW Converter only works on Windows) |
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11:17.21 | peterix | I'd personally check the environment and try to find a difference |
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11:18.04 | peterix | there's also this: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/highdpi.html |
11:18.05 | peterix | you could try to use these as a workaround, or to force vbox to behave |
11:18.14 | peterix | The ui is done in Qt |
11:20.17 | peterix | this problem could be buried in so many places, it's not even funny |
11:22.41 | Calinou | Vamp898: if you use 200% scaling in VirtualBox, the VM does not need to support hiDPI |
11:22.46 | Calinou | it'll be much lighter on its rendering system too |
11:22.56 | Calinou | (I have a 4K laptop and always use 200% screen scaling in VirtualBox due to this) |
11:23.13 | Calinou | you can find that option in the VM settings, you can change it while running |
11:25.47 | peterix | it really sounds like this: vbox is picking up the display scaling stuff from KDE, resulting in the application being 'smaller' in virtual units. then it's using the same units inside the VM... which is really messy |
11:26.02 | peterix | is it ever so slightly blurred? |
11:26.23 | peterix | I imagine this would mess up font rendering the most |
11:27.48 | peterix | https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/15765#comment:4 |
11:29.08 | peterix | I'd just unset QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO in a wrapper script and open vbox with a wrapper, as a workaround |
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11:29.58 | Vamp898 | you are messing up two different features |
11:30.05 | Vamp898 | VirtualBox does have the ability to scale the VM Client |
11:30.10 | Vamp898 | i do _not_ use this feature at all |
11:30.16 | Vamp898 | it is disabled (set to 100%) |
11:30.35 | harlandski | asturm: Any idea which mailing list I could write to about this? It seems that "show dashboard" used to be part of "kdeplasma-addons" in 4, but isn't (yet?) in 5 |
11:31.19 | Vamp898 | When i run VirtualBox on GNOME (GNOME(!) is set to 200% scaling) than Everything the VirtualBox Window itself is bigger. Like the fonts in the Window are the double size so i can read them (but they are clear, not blurry) |
11:31.42 | Vamp898 | And when i execute a VM, the scaling of GNOME have no effect on the VM. The VM looks just normal (tiny font) and does have full resolution (3200x1800) |
11:32.30 | Vamp898 | When i do the same in KDE, the VM only have 1600x900 resolution and there is no way to increase it. That means i have a lot of black borders around the actual VM when i enable fullscreen mode (it is not blurry) |
11:32.57 | Vamp898 | This is completely unrelated to VirtualBox own's scaling feature that i dont use |
11:34.20 | Vamp898 | It seems like when i execute VirtualBox in an KDE Environment with enabled Scaling, VirtualBox thinks my screen only does have 1600x900 resolution |
11:34.27 | tosky | Vamp898: right now there is a meeting in #plasma, but you'd better join that channel and ask there - remembering to call the desktop with its name (Plasma, not KDE) |
11:34.42 | Vamp898 | But i think this is a KWin thing and unrelated to plasma |
11:34.49 | Vamp898 | at least scaling is done by kwin |
11:34.50 | tosky | KWin is part of Plasma, and KDE |
11:34.58 | Vamp898 | ah ok, i did not know that |
11:35.10 | Vamp898 | then i will ask there, sorry |
11:35.12 | tosky | arght: KWin is part of Plasma, and saying "in KDE" is not correct |
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11:40.22 | peterix | again, check for environment variable differences. |
11:41.00 | peterix | I bet gnome is not setting QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO |
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11:46.00 | Vamp898 | QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO is also not set in plasma |
11:49.28 | harlandski | asturm: I've filed a feature request bug report for kdeplasma-addons. Thanks for your input. Got to go now. |
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13:33.42 | ntz | hello |
13:34.26 | ntz | stupid Q:, don't take it that I'm heretic ... is here in kde some editor that can do graphical diff of docu like notepad++ or pspad ? |
13:34.45 | ntz | kate ain't looking like it can do it |
13:34.55 | ntz | kwrite is even simplier |
13:35.07 | ntz | and emacs is evil ... |
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13:37.45 | tosky | there is a specialized program for diff (kompare) |
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13:39.52 | nomore201 | hi everyone! Don't know if it's a distro specific question, but i'll ask anyway |
13:40.43 | nomore201 | Since last reinstall, kde won't notify me AC adapter plug/unplug event, but the icon in system tray is correctly updated |
13:43.30 | nomore201 | before reinstalling arch on this machine, I remeber I got a sound and display notification when [un]plugging AC adapter |
13:44.48 | ntz | tosky: yeah, but you know, I need/want an editor with such a feature |
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14:18.44 | Tuor | themill, I'm not using 'unstable' as base. I would love to have Debian stable as OS and the current KDE applications running on it. When it is not possible I'll have to use older applications or a less stable OS. For the moment I'll use debian testing+some applications from unstable. I know testing != stable. ;) |
14:19.53 | tacco | Hi there is there any way to keep my mouse pointer in front of everything all the time? |
14:20.02 | Tuor | unfortunatly I don't get what I want every time. :( |
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15:46.12 | shtrb | What tool is suggested If I wish to allow user to perform graphical login to plasma+sddm installation over network ? |
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19:47.25 | AciD` | hey guys, I misclicked 'forget' in the ksnapshot window, which make it forget my imgur credential. |
19:47.52 | AciD` | Now, where do you login back? I can't find any place where to link that app with the imgur api token |
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19:50.47 | kamil__ | hello i create simple gtk app with button on headerbar is any method to do that with qt5 |
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20:04.44 | oprypin | AciD`, you're supposed to use Spectacle btw |
20:06.29 | oprypin | AciD`, in which you just click Upload and not Upload anonymously |
20:06.56 | oprypin | ah i think the export window is shared, so yeah ^ |
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20:09.08 | AciD` | oprypin â¹ oh, that's fun, I'm just used to use the default screenshort key, and when using `ksnapshot` in krunner, in launch spectacle :) |
20:09.26 | oprypin | uh what |
20:09.35 | AciD` | it seems an alias has been made |
20:09.40 | oprypin | anyhow, the new default screenshot key launches Spectacle |
20:10.39 | AciD` | yes, ksnapshot bin is now a shell script that launch spectacle :) |
20:10.44 | AciD` | (at least on Debian stable) |
20:11.35 | AciD` | oprypin â¹ yes, but where do you login to imgur in that kipi export plugin? |
20:11.42 | AciD` | I can't find anything about that on the web |
20:12.12 | AciD` | I must I found a way at one point since I was logged in before, but then the UX is really bad since I cannot find it again now :/ |
20:12.46 | oprypin | AciD`, im telling you, you click Upload |
20:13.48 | AciD` | hum, since I 'forgot' my account, I now _always_ get a 'imgur is over capacity' error message, whenever I try to upload a file, even anonymously |
20:14.40 | oprypin | could actually be over capacity ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
20:15.28 | AciD` | I revoked the api token, just in case |
20:16.08 | AciD` | ah! |
20:16.14 | AciD` | the error message changed : "error": "The redirect URI provided is missing or does not match", |
20:16.27 | AciD` | but I saw the screen where I could allow the request |
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20:16.50 | AciD` | well, I guess Spectacle is working as intended then, it's on imgur side now |
20:16.54 | AciD` | thanks for the help oprypin |
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21:18.39 | i-am-the-slime | Does anybody know what the name of the network manager icon in the status bar is or how I get it back when it dies after sleep? |
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22:25.27 | milohr[m] | Hi |
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22:46.31 | jankusanagi_ | that's Plasma NM |
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23:43.50 | Aardwolf | Hi, I use cynnamon but want to use the dolphin file manager. I want to change dolphin's date format. How can I change it? I have "KDE System Settings" installed, but regional and language settings in it are missing. Thanks! |
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23:45.59 | tosky | Aardwolf: it should simply follow the settings valid for your locale (the LC_* variables) |
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23:47.46 | Aardwolf | tosky, is that an environment variable? If I type env, no LC variables are listed. There is "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" though. |
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23:48.42 | tosky | Aardwolf: if it's not set, the value of LANG is used; check the output of the `locale` command |
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23:49.39 | Aardwolf | tosky, ok I see. How does KDE do its thing where you can choose a custom string as data format? That is different than selecting between "en_US.UTF-8" and others right? |
23:49.48 | tosky | there is no "KDE" things; it come from Qt |
23:49.50 | tosky | comes* |
23:49.58 | Aardwolf | How does Qt do it? |
23:50.04 | tosky | it uses the system locale |
23:51.11 | Aardwolf | If LC_TIME is something assigned to a spoken language... how can you customize it? With such strings like "HH:MM:SS" if you know what I mean |
23:52.22 | Aardwolf | In my previous linux installation I also used KDE. LANG was en_US.UTF-8. LC_TIME was en_US.UTF-8. Yet I could make dolphin dipslay a different date format. How can I get that behavior now too? |
23:52.32 | Aardwolf | I do not want to override LC_TIME, it breaks other things |
23:54.48 | tosky | what was the previous distribution? This new behavior was introduced with Qt5 |
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23:56.06 | Aardwolf | Ok. Please reconsider this new behavior if you are a dev. Please do not depend on LC_TIME for this. Linux locales are horrible to configure, and may break other things like meld and flash if you don't do a superstandard setup |
23:56.42 | Aardwolf | My clock does not depend on LC_TIME. ls date display does not depend on it. |
23:57.42 | tosky | I'm not a Plasma developer |
23:58.01 | tosky | oh, well, it does not matter, Dolphin is not part of Plasma |
23:58.19 | Aardwolf | Dolphin could really use a good old setting of "date format" :) |
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