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| 01:19.57 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 17.12 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 01:59.07 | vityavv | Hey there |
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| 01:59.28 | vityavv | I was wondering if there was a way to remove the bottom-right triangle when running with borderless windows |
| 02:00.00 | vityavv | I have my shadow set pretty high so I can drag that, also M-Middle Mouse Button can resize the window for me, so I have no need of it |
| 02:01.09 | jankusanagi_ | I think that's up to the window decoration theme, and it's (possible) settings |
| 02:01.15 | jankusanagi_ | at least, Oxygen has settings for that |
| 02:04.26 | jankusanagi_ | *its |
| 02:06.37 | dissonant | Hi all. I'm getting an issue where kwin eventually stops taking certain keybinds (specifically for 'Show Desktop Grid' and 'Toggle Present Windows') |
| 02:08.03 | dissonant | Keybinds I have set are Meta+a and Meta+Z respectively. Eventually (I haven't noticed if it's after wake from sleep or some other event) the keys are just passed through to whatever window is in focus rather than executing the intended action |
| 02:08.12 | jankusanagi_ | when that happens, triggering those effects via mouse, works? |
| 02:08.27 | jankusanagi_ | what version of Plasma is this? |
| 02:09.29 | dissonant | jankusanagi_: How would I use the mouse to do so? And is there a way to check what version of plasma I'm currently running? I was on 5.12.0 but I did the update to 5.12.1 and am not sure if I reboted since then |
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| 02:10.59 | jankusanagi_ | Present Windows is (by default) toggled by moving the mouse to the top-left corner |
| 02:11.10 | jankusanagi_ | and "pushing" towards that corner |
| 02:11.30 | jankusanagi_ | kInfocenter will tell you the versions |
| 02:11.41 | jankusanagi_ | but even if you haven't rebooted, it will tell you the _installed_ version |
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| 02:14.45 | dissonant | jankusanagi_: ah, yeah I set that to the bottom left some time ago (though I never use it and had completely forgotton) It does not work that way either. And I'm on 5.12.1 |
| 02:15.24 | jankusanagi_ | so it's not that stops reacting to shortcuts, it's the effects that become... corrupt? |
| 02:16.56 | dissonant | jankusanagi_: Well, the keybinds are also just being passed through to the windows so I thought it might have to do with that. But you're correct, they just seem to stop activating all together. |
| 02:18.08 | jankusanagi_ | I imagine that Kwin "sees" the key combo being pressed, checks for "valid things" to do with it... the effects in question are, for some reason, gone from its "mind", and goes "ok, not for me, move along" :D |
| 02:18.29 | jankusanagi_ | no theories on why those effects "get disabled" though... |
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| 09:47.09 | jmux | Hi. After reading about the Telegram bug, a colleague tested, how dolphin handles the 'RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE' character in filenames. |
| 09:47.35 | jmux | The simple test is "touch $'Hello_\u202egnp.js'" |
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| 09:48.23 | jmux | So this gets the js icon but visually it has a png extension. |
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| 09:50.27 | jmux | ls -l shows "Hello_gnp.js" and ignores the unicode character. I'm wondering if dolphin should do the same (and the file picker). Any opinions? |
| 09:51.32 | jmux | For a normal user, who is looking for the extension, it's highly irritating |
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| 09:53.53 | jmux | Renaming the file in dolphin also has some interesting results. |
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| 10:02.10 | jmux | Oh - just found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260677 |
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| 11:49.28 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 12:08.10 | linex | Is Plasma 5.12 out ? |
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| 12:09.35 | ltosky[m] | linex: even 5.12.1: https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.12.1.php |
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| 12:11.04 | linex | ltosky[m]: thanks |
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| 13:09.23 | lineinthesand | I'm seeing a black login screen with mouse cursor (sometimes an on-screen keyboard shows) rather than the expected username/password fields. I can enter my password normally and log in, but still I'd like to fix this â can someone help me to debug this, please? I'm using sddm, btw. |
| 13:10.29 | tosky | lineinthesand: did you upgrade an existing installation? Which distribution? There is a bug if you system also upgraded to mesa 18.0 |
| 13:10.36 | tosky | a Qt bug, to be precise |
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| 13:13.25 | lineinthesand | tosky, I'm using openSUSE Leap 42.3 (mesa version is 17.0.5) |
| 13:13.36 | tosky | summons einar77_work |
| 13:14.32 | einar77_work | lineinthesand: what graphics hardware do you have? |
| 13:15.39 | lineinthesand | einar77_work, nvidia, using the proprietary driver |
| 13:16.22 | lineinthesand | It has always worked for me and the on-screen keyboard is displayed correctly (as is the mouse cursor) |
| 13:18.32 | einar77_work | I'm not sure, unfortunately I don't own NVIDIA hardware |
| 13:18.51 | einar77_work | I saw this once on a machine that was not mine I think but I had to reboot anway |
| 13:19.06 | lineinthesand | journalctl -b: http://paste.opensuse.org/72604035 |
| 13:19.12 | asturm | isn't there also that .Xauthority bug that manifests itself like that? |
| 13:19.34 | lineinthesand | sddm log: http://paste.opensuse.org/12053228 |
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| 13:21.28 | einar77_work | asturm: oh, true |
| 13:21.42 | asturm | sadly still pending upstream |
| 13:22.16 | tosky | which upstream? Xorg or Qt? (and which bug?) |
| 13:22.26 | asturm | sddm |
| 13:22.26 | lineinthesand | I'm not sure whether that's related, but after the update, I suspended the box. When I brought it back up, I got a warning screen telling me the screen locker could not be started an that I should go to some terminal an enter some command to restart it, which I didn't but rebooted instead. Could I have broken some config? |
| 13:24.07 | asturm | tosky: there is https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/715 and https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/947 |
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| 13:37.41 | lineinthesand | journalctl -b as root: http://paste.opensuse.org/65158515 |
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| 13:39.02 | einar77_work | lineinthesand: no, it could not have broken anything |
| 13:39.11 | einar77_work | lineinthesand: are you using any third-party repositories? |
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| 13:41.48 | lineinthesand | einar77_work, yes, packman for example. I'm not sure whether the plasma frameworks 5 and qt5 repos count as third party |
| 13:42.00 | einar77_work | they do count |
| 13:42.07 | einar77_work | because it means you're not using the stock Leap Qt |
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| 13:43.45 | lineinthesand | einar77_work, yes. But what puzzles me is that it has always worked up to now. I even had 5.12.1 installed already. |
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| 13:44.44 | einar77_work | lineinthesand: I doubt it will be the case, but please remove /var/lib/sddm/.cache and restart SDDM |
| 13:45.05 | lineinthesand | einar77_work, I've already tried that |
| 13:45.22 | lineinthesand | Only the on-screen keyboard shows but no greeter |
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| 13:45.59 | einar77_work | meh |
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| 13:54.24 | killown | I am using kde 5.12 and I have dual monitor setup, clicking the menu in the primary monitor will show menu in the secondary monitor, also all apps are starting in the second monitor. I tried to re-set the primary monitor again and this didn't fix |
| 13:54.28 | killown | could anyone help me? |
| 13:54.52 | killown | kde is full of bugs, when could we use this desktop without annoying about fix stuff? |
| 13:55.04 | tosky | killown: I would ask on #plasma (it's a plasma question and most likely to get help there at this time of the day) |
| 13:55.24 | Ex6TenZ | killown, well your issue could be solved by using only 1 monitor :P |
| 13:55.39 | killown | are you kidding right? |
| 13:55.55 | lineinthesand | killown, of course he is (o; |
| 13:56.58 | killown | ok |
| 13:57.08 | killown | I changed for an alternative menu and fixed |
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| 13:59.05 | killown | I am using this menu that show in full screen, is it possible to call this menu when the mouse cursor touch the bottom left of the screen? |
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| 14:24.02 | killown | will kde have google chrome integration but why not for firefox? |
| 14:24.14 | killown | all through nodejs? |
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| 15:33.53 | killown | more one bug, taskbar is not showing gtk apps...... |
| 15:34.34 | killown | does the developer test it before release? I guess not |
| 15:35.05 | jankusanagi_ | of course not, nobody tests something so basic.... </ironic> |
| 15:35.24 | jankusanagi_ | and of course, it's a bug that happens to everyone =) |
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| 15:40.01 | tosky | developers do test it, and distributions too; the matrix of possible combinations of system settings grows quickly though |
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| 15:41.15 | jankusanagi_ | plus, users should help testing the betas, especially those with less common setups... if they don't help... |
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| 15:42.27 | Sho_ | killown: "taskbar is not showing gtk apps" doesn't really make sense, can you provide more detail? |
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| 15:45.17 | killown | Sho_, I fixed this in alternatives |
| 15:45.27 | killown | then changed back for taskbar |
| 15:45.42 | Sho_ | you were using a non-standard task manager applet? |
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| 16:41.42 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 17.12 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 17:13.56 | AwoL | so, I installed a different distro (openSUSE Leap -> Fedora 27) while keeping my old ~/, and there is some breakage making that big of a jump in KDE versions (maybe some distro stuff too). |
| 17:14.14 | AwoL | Should I delete those directories I'm not supposed to delete (~/.kde, ~/.kde4, etc)? |
| 17:14.45 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma 5 and current applications no longer uses those directories |
| 17:14.59 | jankusanagi_ | I always recommend not deleting anything anyway |
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| 17:15.19 | jankusanagi_ | if one wants to test with fresh config, move or rename the "offending" folder |
| 17:15.42 | jankusanagi_ | also, the easiest way to test that the system itself is fine, is to create a fresh user for testing |
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| 17:16.30 | AwoL | That makes sense. Is it not advisable to migrate an old user then? |
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| 17:17.54 | asturm | AwoL: it is. applications that support it will migrate from the old dir |
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| 17:25.49 | AwoL | thanks guys! |
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| 17:36.00 | jankusanagi_ | and the ones that don't, will ignore it, so there should be no problems from that :D |
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| 17:42.34 | Fulgen | Is there a way to stop kactivitymanagerd from getting started by KDE applications like Kate? |
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| 17:56.21 | AwoL | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.12 | asturm | AwoL: no one is stopping you |
| 17:57.44 | asturm | AwoL: it's just not an advice one gives light-heartedly to other users |
| 17:57.56 | AwoL | ah, I see |
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| 18:05.55 | AwoL | Also, Fedora seems to reset the default icon for Application Menu and Launcher, from the Plasma icon to the Fedora logo. How can the default logo for "clear icon" be set for the app launcher/menu? |
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| 18:14.43 | jankusanagi_ | clear icon? |
| 18:15.19 | jankusanagi_ | I don't know what you mean, but you can set any system icon, or any random image as the launcher icon from its settings |
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| 18:36.56 | yann-kaelig | task manager sometimes doesn't hide when hide option is selected |
| 18:37.27 | yann-kaelig | I mean the panel |
| 18:37.34 | yann-kaelig | pasek |
| 18:37.36 | yann-kaelig | k |
| 18:39.36 | yann-kaelig | and this is not a issue from yesterday or 2 month but more than 1 year. When I said developper never use their own work ! |
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| 18:55.28 | windblow | yann-kaelig: are you talking about ksysguard? |
| 18:55.44 | AwoL | jankusanagi_: I mean, if you go to Application Menu Settings, and click on the icon, there is an option to choose icon or clear icon. When one clears the icon, a default Plasma icon is used instead. |
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| 18:58.18 | AwoL | Fedora changed the default to their own icon, instead of the Plasma. I could never figure out how to reset the default (it seems to be hard coded someplace) |
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| 19:13.51 | jankusanagi_ | ah, probably something in /etc |
| 19:15.06 | jankusanagi_ | or in /var/lib/plasma5-profiles |
| 19:15.19 | jankusanagi_ | there's plenty of places a package can include defaults |
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| 19:16.03 | AwoL | jankusanagi_: okay, I'll dig around. Thanks! |
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| 19:17.25 | jankusanagi_ | for instance, in /var/lib/plasma5-profiles/common/xdg/kscreenlockerrc, I have a line like: Theme=org.mageia.breeze.desktop |
| 19:17.35 | jankusanagi_ | that's obviously Mageia's doing, not Plasma upstream |
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| 19:44.24 | killown | BUG: kde doesn't show apps from primary monitor if taskbar is set to show only apps from primary monitor |
| 19:44.38 | killown | I would like to use a desktop and care less with bugs :/ |
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| 19:47.21 | jankusanagi_ | then help fix your corner cases =) |
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| 20:11.01 | tneo | Hello, the vaults widget does not want to get added. I do have plasma-vault installed, but double clicking is not adding the widget to the tray. |
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| 20:13.08 | jankusanagi_ | I think if you go to the system tray settings, you can enable it there |
| 20:13.33 | jankusanagi_ | otherwise, you wouldn't be adding it to the systemtray, but as an independent plasmoid at a random place |
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| 20:25.48 | daum | hi all - i rebooted and it seems my microphone no longer is working. I checked in pavucontrol and it is set to "Built-in Audio analog Stereo" and Port : Rear Microphone (plugged in) |
| 20:25.57 | daum | but for some reason no audio is coming in, any guesses why |
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| 20:28.33 | tneo | jankusanagi_: nothing happens when I double click on the widget, there is no new entry in the tray for vault |
| 20:32.31 | jankusanagi_ | I didn't say double click, I said go to the System Tray settings |
| 20:33.02 | jankusanagi_ | and in the "General" section, under "Extra items", you'll see "Vaults" |
| 20:33.07 | jankusanagi_ | just enable it there |
| 20:33.40 | jankusanagi_ | adding it via the widget manager will not add it to the **system tray**, but to a random place on a panel or on the desktop |
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| 20:42.03 | tneo | jankusanagi_: I already did enable it |
| 20:42.14 | tneo | And it is not showing up |
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| 20:45.56 | jankusanagi_ | then it mas be hidden behind the arrow, if you have the "hide inactive" option enabled |
| 20:46.12 | tneo | nope |
| 20:48.33 | tneo | jankusanagi_: https://imagebin.ca/v/3rpU4WFDn4iF |
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| 20:55.34 | windblow | i am considering inserting documentation of a specific distro, into khelpcenter |
| 20:55.48 | windblow | where can i find documentation khelpcenter to achieve this? |
| 20:56.01 | windblow | documentation for khelpcenter* |
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| 21:09.57 | jankusanagi_ | tneo: did you logout at some point after enabling it? |
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| 21:11.37 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma Vault has a kded5 module, so maybe you need to logout first, or go to system settings to activate that service manually if you prefer |
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| 21:20.58 | AppAraat | hi, what is the screenshot app called? I want to kill it (because I think I may have found a bug) - I've tried taking a rectangle screenshot from a fullscreened app and now it's stuck like that with no way to exit over *all* of virtual desktops. |
| 21:21.23 | AppAraat | I'm literally in tty1 right now using weechat :( |
| 21:22.29 | LazyGnoll | AppAraat: it's called "spectacle" |
| 21:23.04 | AppAraat | LazyGnoll: THANK YOU!!! |
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| 21:36.52 | illkitten | kde connect is awesome!!! |
| 21:37.27 | AppAraat | it definitely is! |
| 21:39.48 | adymitruk | so any idea when libreoffice 6 will make the regular ppas? |
| 21:40.17 | asturm | adymitruk: what is a ppa? |
| 21:40.42 | adymitruk | package managers. maybe snaps? |
| 21:40.52 | adymitruk | is there a libreoffice irc or slack? |
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| 22:14.15 | LazyGnoll | adymitruk: #libreoffice ? :^) |
| 22:19.20 | AciD` | anybody have a similar problem with kmail where some mails in the outbox are never sent? |
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| 22:20.00 | AciD` | kmail shows that I have 7 unread message in the outbox folder, on a total of 8 emails. But when I check the outbox I only see one email (that can't be sent) |
| 22:20.12 | AciD` | and in the filesystem I see only one mail (maildir format) |
| 22:20.14 | AciD` | :/ |
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| 23:08.26 | NateGraham | so I just upgraded my Kubuntu 17.10 machine from Plasma 5.12 to 5.12.1 via the Kubuntu backports PPA, and it seems to have introduced an issue with KIO |
| 23:08.38 | NateGraham | Dolphin and file dialogs all say: Unable to create io-slave. klauncher said: Error loading '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so'. |
| 23:08.51 | NateGraham | (the file does exist) |
| 23:08.59 | asturm | NateGraham: did you remain in your running session while upgrade? |
| 23:09.08 | NateGraham | yeah |
| 23:09.13 | asturm | then logout and login. |
| 23:09.23 | NateGraham | I did, this only started happening after the reboot |
| 23:09.59 | asturm | hmm it shouldn't... |
| 23:10.05 | NateGraham | I know, right!? |
| 23:10.31 | asturm | are you sure the upgrade succeeded, completely? |
| 23:10.43 | NateGraham | yeah, it looked fine |
| 23:10.52 | NateGraham | I just did a regular old `sudo apt upgrade` |
| 23:11.22 | asturm | and what if you do that now? |
| 23:11.29 | einar77 | NateGraham: what about a full-upgrade? |
| 23:11.58 | NateGraham | both say: |
| 23:11.59 | NateGraham | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:12.15 | NateGraham | dist-upgrade does, too |
| 23:14.18 | einar77 | I'm not sure kio uses the sycoca to find its plugins, but "kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental" may be worth trying |
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| 23:16.04 | NateGraham | `kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental` didn't seem to shed any light on the issue |
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| 23:20.02 | NateGraham | building KIO from source and deploying locally fixes the problem |
| 23:20.16 | NateGraham | maybe once I'm feeling adventurous, I'll reinstall the bad KIO version in the Kubuntu repo to see what's up |
| 23:20.25 | einar77 | NateGraham: perhaps a build out of order? |
| 23:20.42 | einar77 | I'm not familiar on how Kubuntu tracks build deps |
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| 23:21.01 | NateGraham | me neither, but I probably should become familiar with that |
| 23:21.31 | asturm | I think I saw the same error yesterday when upgrading from Qt-5.9.3 to 5.9.4 while inside the Plasma session |
| 23:21.40 | asturm | building, that is |
| 23:21.41 | einar77 | NateGraham: the catch is if you rebuild all the dep chain all the time you only contribute to the heat death of the universe |
| 23:22.11 | einar77 | asturm: I did better, closing plasma while packages were being updated and trying to run it |
| 23:22.45 | asturm | heh |
| 23:32.12 | tneo | jankusanagi_: Yes i have had a complete reboot since installing plasma-vault, but the vault does not show |
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| 23:35.24 | jankusanagi_ | check in "background services", in System Settings |
| 23:35.31 | jankusanagi_ | to see if the vault service is running |
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| 23:58.57 | mortycrd | hey guys, is this the right place to ask for help |