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| 01:23.41 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 17.12 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 02:09.00 | Neros | hey! I found a translation mistake in Spectacle, where can I report this issue? |
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| 02:11.17 | JanKusanagi | hmmm |
| 02:11.59 | JanKusanagi | I don't know if there's a #kde-l10n or #kde-i18n |
| 02:12.40 | JanKusanagi | try if those exists, and if not, I guess you could see if there's a specific "i18n" component in bugs.kde.org |
| 02:13.08 | JanKusanagi | I don't think people usually report that kind of thing as bugs for the program itself :D |
| 02:13.50 | JanKusanagi | https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/translation â this should help |
| 02:14.01 | Neros | "i18n: Translation related problems", erf that's it, I'm blind |
| 02:14.24 | JanKusanagi | =) |
| 02:14.34 | JanKusanagi | also: " To dive in and start translating, head to KDE Localization Home Page and choose your language. From there, you can contact the specific team for your language and download the translation files. " |
| 02:14.49 | JanKusanagi | that links to http://l10n.kde.org/ |
| 02:15.36 | JanKusanagi | apparently the teams are based on language, so you'd contact your language's team and report to them (or go via bugs.kde.org if you prefer) |
| 02:16.56 | Neros | perfect! Thanks! |
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| 02:18.47 | JanKusanagi | yw =) |
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| 02:28.22 | Zren_ | Q: Does right clicking a the column header in KSysGuard suggest "Show ____ column" for anyone? |
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| 02:51.02 | B4S1L3 | were are the POTD providers stored ? are they harcoded or can they be tweaked ? |
| 02:51.30 | B4S1L3 | https://cgit.kde.org/kdeplasma-addons.git/tree/wallpapers/potd/contents/ui/config.qml#n36 |
| 02:51.49 | Zren_ | B4S1L3, it's written in c++ |
| 02:51.54 | Zren_ | so not easily tweaked |
| 02:52.01 | B4S1L3 | so harcoded ? |
| 02:52.03 | Zren_ | the dataengines are... |
| 02:52.07 | B4S1L3 | err hardcoded |
| 02:52.49 | B4S1L3 | too bad. I don't speak c++ and don't want to recompile after each release for such a small thingy |
| 02:52.52 | Zren_ | https://github.com/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/tree/master/dataengines/potd |
| 02:53.43 | B4S1L3 | damn it's the txt. There really could be a config file for this |
| 02:53.50 | Zren_ | B4S1L3, which provider were you interested in adding? |
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| 02:54.22 | Zren_ | B4S1L3, we need to parse html usually, which requires code |
| 02:55.07 | B4S1L3 | None in particular, i would have searched for other sources in case this was moddifiable |
| 02:55.19 | B4S1L3 | NVM, thx for the information. |
| 02:56.04 | Zren_ | B4S1L3, You could make a wallpaper plugin |
| 02:56.36 | Zren_ | If you're talking about your desktop wallpaper, and not the login screen wallpaper (which wouldn't have network access) |
| 02:56.39 | B4S1L3 | i speak Pascal and D. There's no easy way to have qt for them |
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| 02:57.01 | Zren_ | QML = javascript more or less |
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| 02:58.00 | Zren_ | but yeah, there isn't an existing template for that anyways. |
| 02:58.05 | Zren_ | nvm |
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| 03:01.33 | JanKusanagi | Zren: my KSysGuard shows that in a menu, yes |
| 03:02.38 | Zren | ty JanKusanagi |
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| 03:03.13 | Zren | just realized there was no suggestions because all columns were visible |
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| 03:06.20 | JanKusanagi | never even close to getting to that point :D |
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| 08:31.46 | amsharma | on plasma. is there a way to get the digital clock to speak time at regular intervals? |
| 08:32.08 | amsharma | (like on mac, the clock speaks "it's two o'clock") |
| 08:32.13 | amsharma | https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Clocks |
| 08:32.23 | amsharma | This page mentions a "General" settings tab |
| 08:32.31 | amsharma | Which I can't access (in digital clock) |
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| 09:20.07 | epicmetal | Can I blacklist certain programs from being restored when KDE restores my session? |
| 09:20.21 | asturm_ | epicmetal: sure |
| 09:20.42 | asturm_ | epicmetal: systemsettings -> startup and shutdown |
| 09:20.49 | asturm_ | (desktop session) |
| 09:21.04 | epicmetal | Oh, I just saw the option... I should have looked :) |
| 09:21.15 | epicmetal | asturm_: is it the full path to the binary or what? |
| 09:21.35 | epicmetal | Apparently it's just the basename |
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| 09:22.15 | asturm_ | application binary name yes |
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| 09:24.29 | epicmetal | This desktop is badass |
| 09:24.43 | epicmetal | I'm almost inspired to triage some bugs |
| 09:24.57 | epicmetal | And/or file some |
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| 09:35.36 | fsch_ | plasmashell starts eating my CPUs once or twice a day. between 40% and 180% (several cores). Does anyone have any idea what causes this? |
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| 11:09.46 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:59.53 | Guest54224 | Hi! How do I see how often discover checks for updates and when it displays them? |
| 13:00.06 | Guest54224 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.40 | samoht | distribution: Debian sid, plasma packages: 5.12.0-2 |
| 13:08.21 | samoht | On one of my fully updated Debian sid installations I recently experienced some annoying plasma bugs: 1. dialog for choosing desktop wallpaper dysfunctional 2. entry for creating new panel/control bar disappeared 3. empty list of extra tools for system tray Login as new user did not help! Which plasma packages should be purged and eventually reinstalled? plasma packages: 5.12.0-2 |
| 13:08.55 | asturm_ | reinstall installs the same files again. |
| 13:09.07 | asturm_ | check with a different user instead |
| 13:09.25 | samoht | Login as new user did not help! |
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| 13:31.32 | Worf | where would i set plasma "defaults"?. Id like to disable "Show the desktop toolbox" as default |
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| 13:32.15 | Worf | .. or default Layout ( Folder View vs. Desktop ) |
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| 14:05.27 | Katronix | Hi all, using OpenSuse Leap 42.3, with KDE not sure... In KMail when I click on Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Security the app crashes |
| 14:05.53 | Katronix | Kmail is version 5.5.2 |
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| 14:09.03 | Katronix | anyone here? |
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| 14:20.22 | lacrymology | the plasmashell process goes nuts and starts eating up memory every once in a while. I kill and restart it, and everything goes one normally, but any ideas what's with that? |
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| 14:21.57 | tosky | lacrymology: do you have the wallpaper set to slideshow? There was a Qt bug that affected it |
| 14:22.08 | lacrymology | tosky: yes |
| 14:22.12 | lacrymology | yes I do |
| 14:22.38 | tosky | which version of Plasma and Qt? (you can check from kinfocenter) |
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| 14:23.54 | lacrymology | plasma 5.12.1, KDE Frameworks 5.43.0, Qt 5.10.1 |
| 14:24.21 | lacrymology | I also have some monitoring widgets on the desktop, dunno if that affects. Memory, cpu and network traffic |
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| 14:26.41 | tosky | lacrymology: uhm, I though that the bug in Qt was fixed; but try anyway to disable the slideshow wallpaper for a while |
| 14:26.46 | Katronix | Hi all, using OpenSuse Leap 42.3, with KDE 5.5.2 (I think)... In KMail when I click on Settings -> Configure Kmail -> Security the app crashes |
| 14:27.01 | Katronix | any help greatly appreciated |
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| 14:30.50 | tosky | Katronix: as others didn't see that, I'd suggest to ask on opensuse channels (unless some of the maintainers pop up) |
| 14:31.22 | Katronix | Tosky I've already asked there, they suggested I ask here :) |
| 14:31.33 | tosky | einar77_work: ^ |
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| 14:38.53 | Katronix | What is the current version of KMail? |
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| 14:41.42 | JanKusanagi | latest "package version" should be 17.12.x |
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| 14:41.52 | JanKusanagi | but KMail reports another version number internally, in the About |
| 14:42.20 | JanKusanagi | but if you look at your installed packages, the version there should be 17.12.2 if you've got the latest one |
| 14:42.50 | JanKusanagi | ie: kmail-17.12.1-1.mga7.x86_64 |
| 14:42.53 | asturm | 17.12.2 = kmail-5.7.2 for that matter |
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| 14:43.38 | Katronix | okay, I take it that the Security option doesn't crash KMail usually? |
| 14:44.08 | asturm | it does not do that here |
| 14:46.17 | Katronix | If you can't access the Security option, is there a config file you can manually modify to allow you to see email in html? |
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| 14:52.05 | JanKusanagi | probably some kmail*rc in ~/.config |
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| 15:52.10 | einar77_work | tosky: sorry, noticed just now |
| 15:52.46 | tosky | einar77_work: no problem! (IRC is not the main focus when at work) |
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| 16:38.23 | Eleeie | Hi, From which version doesn't Plasma desktop crashes? |
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| 16:43.30 | Alumin | what would cause the window selector in the "Window Rules" part of the system settings to not detect anything about a window when you click in it? |
| 16:44.41 | windblow | Eleeie: 5.11.5 appears fine |
| 16:46.24 | Eleeie | Thank you |
| 16:46.46 | Eleeie | So from that is fine or just that version? |
| 16:47.13 | asturm | Eleeie: please state your actual question |
| 16:47.30 | asturm | do you have an issue with your currently installed plasma version? |
| 16:47.38 | Eleeie | From which version doesn't Plasma desktop crashes? |
| 16:47.50 | asturm | that is impossible to answer. |
| 16:48.01 | annadane | Eleeie, none of the plasma versions "should" crash. plasma crashing has to do with deficiencies with your system, not the plasma version |
| 16:48.05 | annadane | it's a misguided question |
| 16:48.13 | annadane | are you getting crashes now? what graphics do you use? |
| 16:48.51 | Eleeie | No. I stopped using it after plasma 4 because it was buggy. When plasma 4 was already stable they stopped supporting it and strated plasma 5. I tried a year ago I think. I'd like to know : From which version doesn't Plasma desktop crashes? |
| 16:49.15 | asturm | it does not crash. |
| 16:49.37 | Eleeie | From which version? |
| 16:49.54 | asturm | any version shipped by an up to date distribution |
| 16:49.58 | annadane | 5 should be fine, of which the latest is 5.12, it depends on your distribution |
| 16:50.52 | Eleeie | I'm running Manjaro with 5.12. It seems good so far. But I tried for an hour. |
| 16:51.01 | asturm | so you don't have an issue? |
| 16:51.03 | annadane | well, then you're probably fine unless it crashes |
| 16:51.08 | annadane | so the question doesn't make sense |
| 16:51.48 | Eleeie | And at the moment it's in VBox. It has to take a week to install it on real hardvare, and of course at first with dual boot. |
| 16:52.25 | Eleeie | I have never ever had crasher with Gnome. That's why my question makes sense. |
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| 16:52.55 | asturm | any given software will crash |
| 16:53.09 | Eleeie | *crasher=crashes |
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| 17:02.11 | annadane | one situation in which plasma is known to crash a lot is if you use the free nvidia drivers otherwise known as nouveau |
| 17:02.22 | annadane | i've never not had crashes with it, nouveau isn't capable enough to run it |
| 17:03.10 | asturm | it heavily depends on the gpu at hand but yes that is not plasma's fault |
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| 17:05.11 | FakeGnoll | yeah it depends on the gpu a lot |
| 17:05.24 | FakeGnoll | I have one machine that uses nouveau + kde with 0 issues |
| 17:05.35 | FakeGnoll | but it's a rather old nvidia gpu (8600 I think) |
| 17:06.25 | Eleeie | annadane: I didn't know about nouveau. I use Intel anyway. |
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| 17:06.52 | FakeGnoll | I wish kwin worked better with nvidia-drivers ;( |
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| 17:07.28 | Eleeie | So if want to upgrade my PC with a GPU for video editing, should I choose Radeon? |
| 17:07.51 | FakeGnoll | these days probably |
| 17:08.15 | annadane | if nvidia actually cooperated with nouveau we wouldn't have these issues |
| 17:08.26 | annadane | needless to say i will never buy another computer with nvidia graphics |
| 17:08.35 | Eleeie | The new chips a good to? I'd like to use open source drivers |
| 17:09.24 | annadane | nvidia doesn't crash but has questionable mouse detection |
| 17:09.43 | annadane | nouveau actually does everything properly except the crashing and graphical flickers |
| 17:10.01 | FakeGnoll | annadane: kwin with nvidia-drivers does freeze from time to time, this problem has been registered on both kde bugtracker and nvidia forums |
| 17:10.07 | asturm | Eleeie: ymmv but it usually takes a month or two until a new gpu gen is properly supported, and then only a very up to date distribution can provide that |
| 17:10.17 | FakeGnoll | which is even worse than crashing plasma |
| 17:10.37 | asturm | Eleeie: so it pays off to wait a bit... |
| 17:11.32 | Eleeie | Is that called AMDGPU? I mean the opensource driver for Radeon GPUs |
| 17:11.58 | asturm | for current gen most likely yes |
| 17:12.01 | FakeGnoll | when amd catches up to nvidia in terms of perfrmant hw then I'll most likely get an amd card too, but for now I have to wait |
| 17:12.25 | FakeGnoll | wait and suffer ;( |
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| 17:13.46 | annadane | amd is supposedly doing well |
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| 17:13.57 | annadane | this is what happens when you aren't assholes and actually open your process to the world |
| 17:14.04 | Eleeie | thanks. you helped me a lot. I knew NVIDIA has better performance. CUDA cores for example. But if I want to use linux with open source software I should buy a Radeon card. |
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| 17:31.53 | Kon- | FOSS drivers for AMD have improved a lot this year, but Nvidia with proprietary drivers still delivers the best performance by far |
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| 17:32.35 | asturm | stability and compatibility is much more important than that |
| 17:33.08 | Kon- | If you're building a new PC and spend a month's rent on a high-end AMD GPU, you may be disappointed with the performance you get for your money |
| 17:33.49 | JanKusanagi | I'd much rather buy an older card and use Nouveau =) |
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| 17:37.51 | Kon- | I'm running intensive tasks on relatively low-end hardware, so it's difficult for me to sacrifice performance for ideology. I would rather do my work on a 90% FOSS machine than have to switch over to a 0% FOSS machine to get the needed performance. |
| 17:38.36 | JanKusanagi | it's not just a matter of ideology |
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| 17:38.53 | JanKusanagi | but I'm not telling anyone what they should use |
| 17:39.00 | FakeGnoll | I dual boot with windows for games so I need both stability and good hardware :^) |
| 17:39.17 | Kon- | If it's not about ideology or performance, what are the other factors? |
| 17:39.18 | FakeGnoll | nvidia is unstable on linux and amd just doesn't make performant cards |
| 17:39.29 | FakeGnoll | no escape |
| 17:40.49 | JanKusanagi | other factors: be able to trust your system (so, no blackboxed software), and avoiding upgrade issues |
| 17:40.57 | JanKusanagi | my Nvidia card is very stable with Nouveau |
| 17:41.13 | JanKusanagi | it's not recent, no, but I don't need recent |
| 17:41.20 | annadane | i just dislike their business behavior |
| 17:41.57 | JanKusanagi | this one came with the PC I bought from a friend; otherwise, I would certainly not be using crapvidia =) |
| 17:42.49 | Kon- | I buy Nvidia primarily for CUDA support. Which, unless it's changed recently, is unfortunately not available on Nouveau |
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| 17:43.22 | Kon- | Of course Nouveau is not really to blame for its shortcomings. It's essentially a hackjob because Nvidia doesn't care about them. |
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| 17:47.43 | windblow | <Eleeie> So from that is fine or just that version? |
| 17:48.04 | windblow | It is the version I am currently using, it hasn't crashed on me a single time. |
| 17:48.48 | windblow | Then again, I use an intel vga chip. |
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| 19:30.24 | kdeprev | Did the taskbar grouped application preview windows change? I'm seeing an extra preview at the end (eg. 2 open applications grouped shows 3 previews) |
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| 19:40.55 | sumoot | Newbie question: How to stop "system policy prevents modification of network settings" ? Opensuse/Tumblweed |
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| 19:54.32 | JanKusanagi | that's probably a question for openSUSE channels |
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| 19:55.43 | ilken14 | q |
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| 20:04.08 | impi | hey hey |
| 20:04.22 | impi | is anyone else expereincing terrible bugs on kde 5.12.2 ? |
| 20:04.36 | impi | this release is utter shit. |
| 20:04.40 | asturm | certainly not |
| 20:04.48 | asturm | but you'll have to be specific |
| 20:05.07 | asturm | it was rocksolid since the beta |
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| 20:05.27 | impi | i get notified of updates, i install them. reboot. login. black screen with mouse cursor. |
| 20:05.51 | impi | remove .config, .local, .kde, .cache directories |
| 20:05.54 | impi | still doesnt work |
| 20:06.06 | impi | remove endire kde-* plasma-* neon-* |
| 20:06.12 | impi | reinstall plasma-desktop |
| 20:06.21 | impi | setup entire environment again. |
| 20:06.31 | impi | currently my panels are gone. crashed. |
| 20:06.49 | impi | i have not one fucking panel here :) |
| 20:06.59 | impi | and thats my first 2 hrs on 5.12.2 |
| 20:07.10 | impi | not to mention i have code to write...... |
| 20:07.19 | impi | you know.....other things than fixing kde |
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| 20:09.05 | impi | hehe |
| 20:09.39 | impi | so..... |
| 20:09.49 | impi | for starters, how do i get a panel now? |
| 20:10.21 | impi | my desktop background is gone |
| 20:10.31 | impi | heck man, wtf is this crap |
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| 20:17.06 | Kingbonj | I have an intel gpu and nvidia gpu in this laptop, is there any way to have it switch automatically for gaming and use the intel for general desktop use. My battery life is poor when using nvidia, and windows seems to manage out of the box |
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| 20:30.52 | impi | is plasmashell 5.12.2 stable on ubuntu 16.04 ? |
| 20:31.05 | impi | how can i get the most stable versuon of kde ? |
| 20:31.11 | impi | even if it is 5.9 |
| 20:33.13 | asturm | impi: your problems are not caused by Plasma with a 99% chance |
| 20:33.47 | asturm | a different distro may simply fix your problem because it has a differnt graphics stack (versions, etc.) |
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| 20:34.11 | asturm | that does not contain a bug in the particular version you are affected by |
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| 20:40.37 | JanKusanagi | for the record, I have 0 problems with Plasma 5.12.1 |
| 20:41.11 | asturm | yeah. |
| 20:41.14 | JanKusanagi | Ubuntu 16.04 probably has really outdated software, in general =) |
| 20:41.21 | JanKusanagi | since, you know, it's 2018 |
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| 20:44.00 | impi | i had zero problems with plasma 5.12.1 |
| 20:44.06 | impi | 5.12.2 is the issue |
| 20:44.18 | asturm | no. you should check what other updates came with your last dist-upgrade |
| 20:44.47 | asturm | if you want to know the real reason, that is. |
| 20:45.25 | asturm | and that is assuming your dist-upgrade is complete and you have checked already if there is any current update available |
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| 20:48.43 | impi | https://streamable.com/ht2wm |
| 20:48.48 | impi | that's just one thing |
| 20:48.58 | impi | i cant even get to click on that menu item |
| 20:49.21 | impi | my dist upgrade is up to date....nothing to upgrade, and i did not have these bugs in 5.12.1 |
| 20:49.59 | impi | thats so lame |
| 20:50.09 | impi | like, you cant tell me that not lame? |
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| 20:50.15 | impi | thats lame. |
| 20:50.25 | impi | cant even click a button |
| 20:50.32 | asturm | [21:44] <asturm> no. you should check what other updates came with your last dist-upgrade |
| 20:50.44 | impi | so that's not kde then? |
| 20:50.51 | impi | thats an update like cups? |
| 20:51.04 | impi | i cant believe you said that btw... |
| 20:51.18 | impi | lame. |
| 20:52.13 | asturm | you would be the first person to report such issues |
| 20:52.27 | impi | hey sure ill log a bug |
| 20:52.30 | impi | no problem |
| 20:52.35 | impi | i've logged many ;) |
| 20:52.36 | Alumin | impi: you should probably make sure your kernel libraries are up to date. Maybe double-check you don't have any pending updates for LibreOffice. Either of those is more likely to cause that problem than KDE |
| 20:52.40 | Alumin | :D |
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| 20:53.00 | impi | i have no updates pending |
| 20:53.13 | Alumin | I know, I'm kidding |
| 20:53.25 | impi | lol dude |
| 20:54.24 | annadane | impi, please don't be hostile to people trying to help you |
| 20:54.40 | annadane | besides not being good ettiquite it will make people want to help less |
| 20:54.48 | impi | im not hostile, and no help was offered |
| 20:55.10 | impi | what i am saying is, this release has serious quality issues |
| 20:55.18 | impi | and people here defend it |
| 20:55.24 | asturm | that is your assumption |
| 20:55.25 | impi | saying it's the OS, or the weather |
| 20:55.35 | impi | no, i can send you a video proof |
| 20:55.41 | impi | no assumption there |
| 20:55.49 | asturm | we can't make the keypresses for you. if you don't pick up the leads, we can't help you further |
| 20:55.52 | JanKusanagi | you're certainly being hostile |
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| 20:56.03 | Alumin | are you guys taking crazy pills? |
| 20:56.07 | JanKusanagi | and yes, it's probably an issue with your OS |
| 20:56.13 | impi | my point is - i would like to use a stable kde |
| 20:56.21 | JanKusanagi | a stable Plasma, you mean? |
| 20:56.23 | JanKusanagi | use Mageia =) |
| 20:56.24 | impi | so that i can use my pc instead of fighting with it |
| 20:56.45 | annadane | JanKusanagi, you shill :P |
| 20:56.48 | annadane | (joking) |
| 20:56.49 | impi | i was happy on 5.12.1 and just get some updates, and 2hrs later i have a system that i can work with |
| 20:56.52 | impi | thats crazy |
| 20:56.53 | JanKusanagi | in my experience, Plasma is very stable in Mageia, and in Debian |
| 20:56.55 | asturm | impi: so you haven't checked what packages came were part of your last upgrade? |
| 20:57.02 | JanKusanagi | impi: complain to your distribution |
| 20:57.07 | JanKusanagi | hopefully, with less anger |
| 20:57.17 | asturm | because that's a serious advice |
| 20:57.26 | Alumin | so, you keep saying "check what packages came with your last update". Well, the KDE updates were part of that update |
| 20:57.32 | Alumin | so why is it definitely not KDE? |
| 20:57.34 | JanKusanagi | and probably others |
| 20:57.37 | asturm | Alumin: and others... |
| 20:57.38 | Alumin | because that's what you keep saying |
| 20:57.41 | Alumin | yes and others |
| 20:57.42 | Alumin | and KDE |
| 20:57.43 | impi | asturm: like what? |
| 20:57.43 | asturm | yes |
| 20:57.50 | asturm | impi: like mesa |
| 20:57.52 | impi | i know i got a version change with the last update |
| 20:57.52 | JanKusanagi | plus, whatever distribution impi's using, might have messed something up |
| 20:57.56 | Alumin | so saying it's definitely not KDE is ridiculous |
| 20:57.58 | impi | so mesa.... |
| 20:58.00 | asturm | Alumin: no one said that |
| 20:58.04 | JanKusanagi | if Plasma 5.12.2 works great for others, it's not Plasma |
| 20:58.07 | asturm | Alumin: we are working with probabilities here. |
| 20:58.08 | Alumin | oh sorry "99%" |
| 20:58.08 | jerichowasahoax | Alumin: welcome to open source |
| 20:58.13 | impi | okay, what stable version of mesa should i have - ill install it and the bugs will be gone right? |
| 20:58.21 | impi | lemme check my version |
| 20:58.28 | asturm | Alumin: grab some nuance. |
| 20:58.28 | JanKusanagi | yeah, keep saying you're not hostile... |
| 20:58.32 | jerichowasahoax | Alumin: 99% of any problem you report is just people telling you "go bug the developers of X" and nothing ever gets solved |
| 20:58.49 | Alumin | nuance, right |
| 20:59.01 | JanKusanagi | interesting, 100% of the bugs I report don't get that response |
| 20:59.05 | Alumin | way to hide your actual point behind semantics |
| 20:59.05 | impi | JanKusanagi: i am not hostile :) i'm just coming from a broken system after a casual update, and a kde version change..... |
| 20:59.12 | impi | you might want to let that sink in |
| 20:59.14 | JanKusanagi | a Plasma version change |
| 20:59.29 | impi | because you keep hammering on this hostile thing.....so cut it out please |
| 20:59.29 | JanKusanagi | apparently your distribution is a god |
| 20:59.35 | JanKusanagi | and the fault MUST be in Plasma |
| 20:59.41 | impi | i never said that |
| 20:59.46 | asturm | JanKusanagi: the distro is neon iirc |
| 20:59.54 | asturm | if you call it a distro |
| 21:00.05 | asturm | Alumin: so far I have seen you do nothing to help here, what's your approach? |
| 21:00.08 | JanKusanagi | well, for this purpose, we could call it that |
| 21:00.33 | Alumin | not wanting to see someone get bullied for trying to get a problem solved |
| 21:00.45 | JanKusanagi | bullied? that's funny |
| 21:00.46 | asturm | they weren't. |
| 21:00.52 | Alumin | so you say |
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| 21:01.27 | Alumin | don't like the word bullied? fine, railroaded then |
| 21:01.44 | asturm | Alumin: maybe you should not patronize other users |
| 21:01.45 | impi | can you guys please tell me what version of mesa is considdered stable with kde? |
| 21:01.52 | JanKusanagi | with Plasma |
| 21:01.52 | impi | and perhaps how i can check my version? |
| 21:01.59 | asturm | impi: can you please tell if it was part of your upgrade? |
| 21:02.02 | JanKusanagi | 17.3.x was fine for me |
| 21:02.09 | JanKusanagi | 18.0 rc4 is fine for me now |
| 21:02.22 | JanKusanagi | but obviously it depends on many factors |
| 21:02.27 | impi | asturm: i dont know, i just click on the updates button, took me to discover, with a whole bunch, and i clicked update all |
| 21:02.41 | JanKusanagi | like what version of Linux you have, what graphics card you use |
| 21:02.48 | JanKusanagi | whether you use OpenGL 2 or 3.1 for compositing |
| 21:02.51 | JanKusanagi | (or Xrender) |
| 21:02.56 | Alumin | maybe you shouldn't tell people that issues that arise with the updated of a piece of software are "99%" not the fault of that software, despite the fact that it happened immediately after that update |
| 21:03.01 | Alumin | yes there were other packages |
| 21:03.01 | asturm | we would need someone with apt- knowledge to look up the update log, I am useless here coming from a completely different system |
| 21:03.07 | JanKusanagi | (notice all the attempts to help despite the hostility btw...) |
| 21:03.12 | Alumin | which means it could be any of them |
| 21:03.14 | asturm | Alumin: you're still wasting time here. |
| 21:03.26 | Alumin | probably |
| 21:03.30 | asturm | Alumin: we know there was a dist upgrade, along with came plasma upgrades. |
| 21:03.39 | impi | no he's actually not wasting time |
| 21:03.41 | Alumin | I'm not doing this for your benefit |
| 21:03.50 | JanKusanagi | Alumin: we're trying yo help impi, and you're just creating noise |
| 21:03.55 | impi | and you're ganging up on him now too |
| 21:04.01 | JanKusanagi | well, I'm done |
| 21:04.02 | kdeprev | any log information to post? |
| 21:04.08 | Acrophosist | There was a big mesa update, like, yesterday |
| 21:04.25 | impi | how do i check my mesa version, perhaps that can be usefull? |
| 21:04.33 | jerichowasahoax | impi: what distro |
| 21:04.34 | impi | this system was wrecked after the update |
| 21:04.35 | asturm | using your package manager |
| 21:05.00 | Alumin | impi: dpkg -l | grep -i mesa |
| 21:05.14 | impi | Distributor ID:neon |
| 21:05.14 | impi | Description:KDE neon User Edition 5.12 |
| 21:05.14 | impi | Release:16.04 |
| 21:05.14 | impi | Codename:xenial |
| 21:05.14 | Alumin | rpm -qa | grep -i mesa |
| 21:05.24 | Acrophosist | Fedora 27 just got 17.3.4-1 |
| 21:05.47 | Acrophosist | JanKusanagi: You already have 18 something version? |
| 21:05.51 | impi | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d1145c1f07d3e667e4e9d2a1de5d4e28 |
| 21:05.56 | impi | that is my mesa stuff |
| 21:06.03 | impi | 17.3 works fine |
| 21:06.17 | JanKusanagi | yes, Acrophosist |
| 21:06.17 | impi | looking at mine i got 17.2 |
| 21:06.20 | JanKusanagi | 18.0 rc4 |
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| 21:06.38 | JanKusanagi | I use Mageia Cauldron, aka development version, so that's normal |
| 21:06.58 | Acrophosist | JanKusanagi: Ah, you are fearless and bold! |
| 21:07.03 | asturm | impi: which is good, because 17.3 and 18* reportedly have more bugs than usual |
| 21:07.12 | JanKusanagi | I can boldly go anywhere! |
| 21:07.17 | Acrophosist | I still bear scars from my years using Rawhide |
| 21:07.26 | impi | the other wierd thing is i could usually chekc my version of ubuntu by doing cat /etc/issue - now, i get KDE neon 5.12 \n \l |
| 21:07.39 | impi | which is a bit weird because it doesnt even display the correct version |
| 21:08.01 | impi | plasmashell 5.12.2 is my true version |
| 21:08.34 | Alumin | maybe /etc/issue is considered a config file, so doesn't get updated when the package updates? |
| 21:08.38 | impi | so what happened was, i got a login screen, and after login, a black screen with a mouse cursor |
| 21:09.09 | impi | and i had to wipe everything including purging kde-* neon-* plasma-* to get it back up |
| 21:09.17 | impi | so now i have a default desktop ofcourse... |
| 21:09.34 | Acrophosist | Oog. No checking first, say, Xorg.log? |
| 21:09.58 | Alumin | it's usually called Xorg.0.log |
| 21:10.00 | impi | that's my fault, im not a guru with linux....which is why i use ubuntu |
| 21:10.09 | impi | i didnt even think about that |
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| 21:10.43 | impi | so....if i want to go away from neon, and onto plasma 5.9 |
| 21:10.46 | Acrophosist | Sort of smells like a driver issue for your particular graphics hardware/firmware, but that's a WAG based on scant evidence |
| 21:10.49 | impi | is that possible in my case? |
| 21:11.15 | impi | my drivers is navou? |
| 21:11.17 | Acrophosist | impi: ^ What Alumin said, Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:11.49 | Acrophosist | (nouveau:? |
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| 21:12.41 | kdeprev | I don't know about it being a graphics firmware/driver issue if they're seeing their mouse cursor and had a login screen. |
| 21:13.07 | kdeprev | Can you ctrl-esc to get the system-activity window? |
| 21:13.15 | JanKusanagi | you can see your mouse and login screen and have severe openGL issues |
| 21:14.13 | kdeprev | or even better, can you switch tty, start a journalctl -f, then switch back and log into sddm |
| 21:14.41 | kdeprev | then switch back to tty and see what the journal is come up with |
| 21:15.30 | impi | kdeprev: that did nothing |
| 21:16.02 | kdeprev | "that"? I mentioned a bunch of things. which "that"? |
| 21:16.07 | impi | this is probably useless now , but here is that Xorg.0.log output https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ea0b74e252cf1f8f16c858086903c112 |
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| 21:16.28 | impi | kdeprev: sorry for that, Can you ctrl-esc to get the system-activity window? |
| 21:16.31 | impi | that did nothing |
| 21:16.40 | impi | look the system is back up |
| 21:17.05 | impi | what did work, was purging kde-* neon-* plasma-* then reinstalling plasma-desktop |
| 21:17.10 | impi | that worked. |
| 21:17.18 | impi | thats about all i can tell you |
| 21:17.34 | Alumin | dang. Dust off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure |
| 21:18.12 | impi | yikes man i have code to write tonight, i did not have time for a dust storm like this |
| 21:18.40 | impi | i will log some bugs on kde bug tracker... |
| 21:18.42 | Alumin | so, did that resolve your initial issue with the menuing? |
| 21:18.46 | impi | perhaps it will help |
| 21:18.52 | impi | no |
| 21:18.58 | impi | the menu is currently an issue |
| 21:19.29 | impi | i wish there was another way to access that active window controll menu? |
| 21:19.56 | Alumin | I couldn't really tell what you were trying to do there in the video, but...are you talking about what you get with Alt-Space? |
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| 21:20.24 | Alumin | it's called the "Desktop Operations Menu" if we're talking about the same thing |
| 21:20.52 | asturm | what? that's the first time I have heard that |
| 21:21.05 | asturm | you mean krunner? |
| 21:21.21 | Alumin | no, the menu at the top of each window that has like Minimize, Maximize, etc. in it |
| 21:22.20 | Alumin | oh, my bad, Alt-F3 is the default for it |
| 21:22.26 | spaceback | Alumin: that's alt+F3 by default |
| 21:22.30 | spaceback | ah :) |
| 21:22.48 | Alumin | I added an alternate for Alt-Space because I'm also a filthy MSW gamer :( |
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| 21:23.44 | impi | Alumin: in the video i wanted to fix the global menu, hovering over my bottons and the window title |
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| 21:24.23 | Alumin | not desktop operations, window operations. Sheesh. |
| 21:24.25 | Alumin | oh, ok |
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| 21:35.33 | kdeprev | impi, do you need the "screen edge" to be in that corner? Maybe you can move it or change it's delay long enough to do something (based on your video) |
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| 21:37.31 | impi | unfortunately i use those edges :( |
| 21:37.41 | impi | but that's a good suggestion though |
| 21:38.09 | impi | the way that i got it to work for sure, is by adding another widget active window controls in the same panle |
| 21:38.16 | impi | panel, and editing that |
| 21:38.19 | kdeprev | I'm thinking you're talking about snapping window edges. I'm talking about that hot area in that top left corner. |
| 21:38.44 | impi | no, i am talking about the hot corners |
| 21:39.05 | impi | i use both top left and right to show windows from the current desktop, which works if i am on 2 screens |
| 21:39.17 | kdeprev | got it |
| 21:39.18 | impi | maybe i can disable that snapping edge |
| 21:39.23 | impi | lemme see quick |
| 21:39.48 | kdeprev | ya, the other suggestion was just to pad/shift the bar |
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| 21:43.25 | impi | hmm i couldnt make it work... :( |
| 21:43.25 | impi | that menu still moves away quite quickly |
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| 21:44.47 | renn0xtk9 | what is the module responsible of highlighting in kate /kdevelop/ |
| 21:46.23 | JanKusanagi | ksyntaxhighlighting, I thik |
| 21:46.43 | JanKusanagi | *think |
| 21:47.17 | renn0xtk9 | JanKusanagi any idea why suddenly I would not see language key words in bold in kate and kdevelop? |
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| 21:47.59 | JanKusanagi | not really... |
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| 21:50.06 | JanKusanagi | suddenly as in: nothing at all upgraded? |
| 21:50.30 | renn0xtk9 | no suddenly as in right after last upgrade |
| 21:50.37 | kdeprev | impi, you set the hot top left corner "screen edge" to "no action" and the panel options STILL wigged out? I can understand if it was active and they are fighting for the topmost grab/hover, but not if it was set to "no action". |
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| 21:51.46 | JanKusanagi | ah, "after last upgrade" is different; maybe your distribution changed some file paths somewhere and forgot to change something else |
| 21:52.18 | JanKusanagi | or maybe now your Kate/KDevelop need to be rebuilt against the possibly-upgraded Frameworks |
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| 22:11.28 | thiago | right-click it, tell it to exit |
| 22:12.19 | dave_uy | It doesn't show exit for me. |
| 22:12.33 | thiago | I don't have such an icon here, so I can't help you |
| 22:12.37 | dave_uy | I see Instant Messaging Settings ... |
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| 23:39.34 | JanKusanagi | right click on an empty part of the system tray |
| 23:39.37 | JanKusanagi | and go to its settings |
| 23:40.08 | JanKusanagi | it should be listed in the "General" category, under "Extra items" |
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