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| 00:39.05 | fognl | Hey all, I'm using a laptop that can flip around flat (HP spectre x360). Is there a way to get some sort of onscreen keyboard when I tap on input boxes in KDE? Running KDE neon 5.12 with plasma 5.12.3 on wayland |
| 00:41.50 | JanKusanagi | Plasma has virtual keyboard support |
| 00:41.56 | JanKusanagi | qtvirtualkeyboard |
| 00:42.14 | JanKusanagi | but I think that, for now, it's only available on the login screen and lockscreen |
| 00:42.28 | JanKusanagi | but there's something you can investigate |
| 00:42.30 | fognl | interesting |
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| 00:43.53 | fognl | Ahh, didn't even notice that on the lock screen. That works great. Well, at least there's some sort of framework there for the future hopefully |
| 00:44.01 | fognl | Also looking forward to screen rotation |
| 00:44.24 | JanKusanagi | I imagine you can get it to work "in general", but you probably has to look at input methods |
| 00:44.33 | JanKusanagi | *have |
| 00:45.16 | fognl | Yea, not something i'm going to dive too deep into at the moment. I just kept googling and kept reading about onscreen keyboard support, but couldn't figure out how to trigger it |
| 00:45.40 | JanKusanagi | "As a note to our touch screen users. Itâs possible to use Qtâs virtual keyboard for all Qt application. One just needs to specify the env variable QT_IM_MODULE=qtvirtualkeyboard. When entering text Qt pops up the virtual keyboard as an additional window. This is only needed in an X11 session. In a Wayland session KWin provides the integration and Qt apps (and other apps) get the virtual keyboard through the Wayland text input protocol." |
| 00:45.57 | JanKusanagi | https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/03/virtual-keyboard-on-lock-screen/ |
| 00:46.19 | JanKusanagi | so in theory, Plasma under Wayland doesn't really need you to change anything, if qtvirtualkeyboard is installed |
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| 00:47.00 | fognl | ok, let me see if i can install that in neon |
| 00:47.50 | fognl | hrm, looks like its installed |
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| 00:48.41 | JanKusanagi | well, if you've seen it in the lockscreen, yes, you have it installed of course :D |
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| 00:49.44 | fognl | i wonder how i can get it to pop up in kde. Trying in text inputs in various programs, nothing so far |
| 00:50.04 | fognl | Using wayland, so according to that link, i shouldn't need to do anything |
| 00:52.35 | JanKusanagi | well, maybe what it says is that you don't need to do geeky stuff, but maybe you have to enable it somewhere in Plasma's system settings |
| 00:53.02 | JanKusanagi | also, that's 1yo post, maybe it was set as autoenabled back then, and is no longer autoenabled for some reason |
| 00:53.05 | fognl | Yeah, i'm searching for an option |
| 00:57.30 | fognl | Okay, so, if i pass that env and start say kwrite, tapping on my screen brings up the keyboard for a split second, then disappears again. More research is needed |
| 00:57.39 | fognl | Thanks for pointing me in a good direction JanKusanagi |
| 01:01.13 | JanKusanagi | =) |
| 01:01.15 | JanKusanagi | yw! |
| 01:06.10 | DarwinElf | JanKusanagi, well they're already disabled but still happening |
| 01:06.18 | DarwinElf | where's 'animation speed?' |
| 01:13.23 | JanKusanagi | in the Compositor settings |
| 01:14.17 | JanKusanagi | and disabling the "sliding popups" effect works nice here, in Plasma 5.12.2 |
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| 01:30.12 | DarwinElf | what settings are compositor settings in? |
| 01:30.27 | DarwinElf | and so on... to the top level |
| 01:30.34 | DarwinElf | ok, I found it |
| 01:31.32 | DarwinElf | though I don't have 5.12.2. It's a little better, but I'm definitely finally going to be moving away from KDE long-term if possible. I saw this coming since KDE4 when certian things only progressively got worse. Not 'kool' since then |
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| 01:36.04 | JanKusanagi | O_o |
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| 01:38.27 | JanKusanagi | not to deprive him of his "rant privileges", but I have to say that disabling the "sliding popups" effect works like a charm here, in ~8yo hardware, and then popups like the application menu appear instantly |
| 01:38.38 | JanKusanagi | so, yeah, even "kooler" now =) |
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| 01:43.37 | AndyAndyBoBandy | occasionally plasmashell eats up so much memory that I have to alt+sysrq+f to escape. But all I notice with the process killed is that the wallpapers are blank. If I don't have widgets on the desktop, what does the plasmashell process do aside from wallpapers? |
| 01:45.03 | JanKusanagi | panels |
| 01:45.27 | JanKusanagi | and the widgets on said panels |
| 01:45.33 | AndyAndyBoBandy | JanKusanagi: and if I'm using latte dock instead of regular panels? |
| 01:45.35 | JanKusanagi | which are plasmoids just like the ones on the desktop |
| 01:45.37 | JanKusanagi | also, notifications |
| 01:45.51 | JanKusanagi | then.. notifications |
| 01:46.19 | AndyAndyBoBandy | the notifications still seem to work |
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| 01:46.48 | JanKusanagi | well, "notifications" is a broad term :D |
| 01:47.22 | JanKusanagi | but yes, Plasma's notifications might be managed by something independent from plasmashell |
| 01:47.46 | AndyAndyBoBandy | oh, I meant the osd -- ah, notify-send works, but the volume and brightness plasma-styled ones are gone |
| 01:48.50 | AndyAndyBoBandy | and I get some kind of slight window (focus, probably) flicker when I trigger those actions that would normally show the plasma-styled notifications |
| 01:50.09 | AndyAndyBoBandy | nvm about the flicker, that's always there |
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| 05:27.58 | adamantium | Hello, new kde user here with a silly problem. I right clicked on a title bar--->more settings--->special application settings and set minimized->force>yes and now I cannot figure out how to reverse this action, LOL. Halp halp halp :-) |
| 05:31.20 | Mayzie | I don't know, but I *think* you can change it under: System Settings> Window Management> Window Rules |
| 05:31.22 | adamantium | Cxcl that-- system settings under window rules has me covered. |
| 05:31.31 | adamantium | Yes Mayzie!! Thanks |
| 05:31.40 | Mayzie | lol |
| 05:31.48 | adamantium | So many options....... :) |
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| 12:03.43 | yann-kaelig | there are so much weird things with kde applications. For example kmail. During the acount creating kmail detec the ports used by my email provider, but when I open the kmail account configuration option and start an auto-detect, kmail chanes the ports numers. |
| 12:04.09 | yann-kaelig | changes |
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| 12:06.18 | yann-kaelig | another thing, also from kmail conf > account > the outgoing password is deleted by kmail |
| 12:08.57 | silver_hook | If I want to declare KWrite my SUDO_EDITOR, how do I make Vim a fallback when Iâm e.g. in the console? |
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| 12:11.43 | yann-kaelig | I'm not A gnome3 fan, and kde's devs and community can laugh at gnome but at least during the time I used gnome I never see that sort of weird issues with gnome3 applications. |
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| 12:17.01 | j605 | silver_hook: easiest solution is to create a script that does this and make that SUDO_EDITOR |
| 12:17.26 | silver_hook | j605: Yet another wrapper? |
| 12:17.29 | yann-kaelig | you should start by asking yourself if the path you following is the good one, because the world of DE is changing and newcomers like budgie, lumina, deepin will quickly replace you |
| 12:17.46 | yann-kaelig | in user daily usage |
| 12:18.20 | j605 | silver_hook: or just use "env SUDO_EDITOR=vim sudo -e filename" when required |
| 12:18.25 | asturm | yann-kaelig: no one forcing you to use kmail |
| 12:18.45 | j605 | if you do find a bug, report it |
| 12:19.07 | tosky | yann-kaelig: kmail has nothing to do with the desktop |
| 12:19.18 | silver_hook | j605: That sounds like a good enough solution, yeah â¦or take note that Vim = âyouâre probably root, dummy!â |
| 12:19.30 | tosky | so if you want to talk about changing desktop, sure, but it should be about plasma issues, not unrelated issues |
| 12:20.47 | yann-kaelig | asturm: I'm trying ot get an unified DE, that why I start using kmail. It's not bad, but these issue shouldnt exist |
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| 12:21.41 | j605 | BTW why are you trying to do auto detection when the account was already configured like you said before |
| 12:22.07 | yann-kaelig | I don't want 1000 options with an unusabel; software even if these option are awesomes, I want first an usable software with all default option without issues |
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| 12:25.44 | JanKusanagi | you should ask for a refund! |
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| 12:29.33 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 12:30.03 | yann-kaelig | Or I can removed KDE and tell all around me to do the same thing. I'm curious how long a project can leave without users |
| 12:30.10 | cousin_luigi | What do you make of this: https://i.imgur.com/UBke5yn.gif ? |
| 12:33.33 | silver_hook | j605: I wonder why thereâs no SUDO_VISUAL |
| 12:33.59 | tosky | yann-kaelig: I wonder why you continue to ignore the fact that you are mixing a desktop and applications together |
| 12:34.22 | JanKusanagi | how does one remove a community? =) |
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| 12:37.35 | yann-kaelig | tosky: I don't understand what you mean. |
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| 12:44.18 | AndyAndyBoBandy | Is there a simple wallpaper setting method that works instead of plasmashell in a kde session? I configured my session to not start plasmashell and just want some wallpapers. |
| 12:45.19 | AndyAndyBoBandy | I tried with nitrogen, but the desktop remained black until I logged out, when I saw a flash of the image. |
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| 12:55.37 | AndyAndyBoBandy | feh isn't working either |
| 13:02.34 | AndyAndyBoBandy | neither imagemagick |
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| 13:38.31 | tosky | yann-kaelig: as people tried to point out, you are threatening to remove a desktop (called Plasma, not KDE) because (also) an unrelated application, which is only developed by the same community, has some issues |
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| 15:35.53 | cousin_luigi | What is this application? |
| 15:38.11 | tosky | cousin_luigi: if it's a question related to my last line, the comment about bugs were about kmail |
| 15:38.42 | cousin_luigi | Oh, I can relate to that. I simply switched to thunderbird years ago. |
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| 15:39.14 | cousin_luigi | I mean, if I don't move house if I don't like the carpet. |
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| 18:20.02 | silversails5 | Hi all. Is there a minimum kernel version required for KDE 5? Also how is support for Plasma through VNC? |
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| 18:28.51 | AndyAndyBoBandy | silversails5: Sorry I don't know, but for VNC it probably helps that you can toggle compositing (alt shift f12) |
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| 18:30.18 | JanKusanagi | I don't think *Plasma 5* requieres any specific kernel |
| 18:30.40 | JanKusanagi | unless it's a reaaaally ancient kernel |
| 18:30.51 | silversails5 | Its 2.6 :[ |
| 18:31.01 | JanKusanagi | that is ancient... xDD |
| 18:31.08 | JanKusanagi | but I'd guess it's enough |
| 18:31.31 | JanKusanagi | though I can't imagine what system provides such an ancient Linux and yet provides Plasma 5 |
| 18:32.30 | silversails5 | Its a vm I have access to, wanted to install KDE on it. |
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| 18:44.55 | cousin_luigi | Is this normal https://i.imgur.com/UBke5yn.gif ? |
| 18:47.27 | AndyAndyBoBandy | cousin_luigi: lol obviously the toolbox shouldn't be doing that. Do you really want it there or are you ok just hiding it? |
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| 19:14.56 | cousin_luigi | AndyAndyBoBandy: It started doing that after enlarging my fonts. Moving the thingie left fixes it, but I wondered whether this should be happening in the first place. |
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