| 00:02.39 | jankusanagi_ | no, they're different |
| 00:02.52 | jankusanagi_ | I assume that by "desktops" you mean "virtual desktops" |
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| 00:14.19 | zeratul976 | jankusanagi_: yes, virtual desktops. does Plasma 5 support both? |
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| 00:21.14 | mamuth | any one online ? |
| 00:22.50 | zeratul976 | mamuth: i'm online, though i don't know much about kde :) |
| 00:23.04 | zeratul976 | mamuth: if you have a question, you should just ask it |
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| 00:24.53 | jankusanagi_ | yes, Plasma supports both |
| 00:27.39 | zeratul976 | jankusanagi_: ok, thanks! i had confused the two, and was wondering why the shortcut for "Switch to Next Desktop" was not functioning (i had 2 activities, not 2 desktops) |
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| 00:28.02 | zeratul976 | jankusanagi_: (i also couldn't find a shortcut for "Switch to Next Activity" - is that something that's never been added?) |
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| 00:46.29 | jankusanagi_ | hm, I think there are shortcuts for that... let me check |
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| 00:48.39 | jankusanagi_ | ah, yes |
| 00:48.55 | jankusanagi_ | "Walk through activities" in Global shortcuts |
| 00:49.26 | jankusanagi_ | there's also a shortcut for the "reverse walk" |
| 00:49.35 | jankusanagi_ | it's in the "Plasma" category |
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| 01:25.28 | kajika | it seems there is a lot of kwin desktop effects crashes, does anyone have insight/solution about that? (debian buster with GeForce GTS 450) |
| 01:26.02 | asturm | kajika: my solution is to avoid nvidia |
| 01:26.04 | thiago | what crashes? X or kwin? |
| 01:26.35 | asturm | your solution my be testing around with different nvidia-drivers versions if available |
| 01:26.38 | asturm | *may |
| 01:27.51 | kajika | it is about kwin and looking on google it is widely spread |
| 01:28.33 | asturm | kajika: kwin is certainly stable at least with my intel and amd boxes |
| 01:28.36 | kajika | when it happens the 'panel' (task bar?) get kinda stuck (clock frozen) |
| 01:28.49 | kajika | so nvidia driver then... |
| 01:29.07 | kajika | I wanted to know if anyone here is aware of this issue |
| 01:29.48 | asturm | kajika: latest xorg-server-1.20 beta/rc were also troublesome on my intel system, but you get what you ask for |
| 01:30.12 | asturm | in that case downgrade to stable helped |
| 01:31.14 | kajika | downgrade kwin only? |
| 01:31.58 | kajika | after kwin_x11 --replace I can see a bunch of 'QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow)', I am investingating this |
| 01:32.00 | asturm | kajika: the freezing panel issue is not related to a particular kwin version |
| 01:32.14 | asturm | kajika: that message is just noise you can ignore |
| 01:32.21 | jankusanagi_ | kwin is ultrastable here with Nvidia, nouveau driver =) |
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| 03:27.48 | jalcine | is there a plasma channel? or one for the VDG? |
| 03:29.53 | zeratul976 | kajika: i've noticed nouveau-related crashes after upgrading my kernel from 4.9 to 4.14. downgraded back, crashes were gone |
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| 03:48.36 | kajika | I went back to nouveau (from nivida drivers), everything is fine so far |
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| 04:02.14 | jankusanagi_ | nouveau rox =) |
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| 05:20.47 | jtfidje_ | Hi! I'm using multiple monitors and often use Meta + [arrow] to move windows from one screen to another. Is there a way to get a window in full screen using shortcut afterwards? |
| 05:25.43 | zeratul976 | jtfidje_: if by "full screen" you mean maximized, you can create a shortcut to maximize a window in Global Shortcuts |
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| 05:26.45 | jtfidje_ | zeratul976: Right yes this is what I mean - sorry :-) Is there a way to know that the shortcut I pick is not used ? |
| 05:26.59 | zeratul976 | jtfidje_: i think it warns you if you try to pick one that is used |
| 05:27.15 | jtfidje_ | zeratul976: Perfect. Thank you for help :-) |
| 05:27.20 | zeratul976 | jtfidje_: np! |
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| 08:07.36 | VjdfMQ | https://i.imgur.com/cB6EzCc.png At this image you can see that the green area is being shown in events ( xinput ), but the red one doesn't. What could this mean ? The thing which is important here is that after a kernel's update the whole thing, but touchpad weren't working. And after rebooting with old kernel it worked again, but not these buttons in the red area. |
| 08:07.44 | VjdfMQ | Hey all btw |
| 08:08.46 | tosky | it's may likely be something related to the input driver, outside the control of Qt |
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| 08:31.56 | VjdfMQ | tosky: Wat do you mean ? |
| 08:31.59 | VjdfMQ | what * |
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| 08:33.25 | tosky | VjdfMQ: I suspect that the the fact that buttons are recognized or not depends on some system components which is outside the control of Qt |
| 08:33.47 | tosky | like the Xorg input driver (which may be synaptics or libinput) |
| 08:33.53 | VjdfMQ | tosky: http://termbin.com/dwwm |
| 08:34.01 | VjdfMQ | This is: xinput list --long 11 |
| 08:34.13 | VjdfMQ | It's could be because of apt full-u[grade. I've though that this could cause kernel's update to 4.13.0-38 from 4.13.0-37, but after rebooting into the previous one, it stayed the same. |
| 08:34.31 | tosky | full-upgrade from what to what? |
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| 08:40.03 | VjdfMQ | tosky: https://jpst.it/1dl0a |
| 08:40.06 | VjdfMQ | Some part of update |
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| 08:40.54 | tosky | ok, so that's Neon, right? |
| 08:40.59 | tosky | try to ask on Neon channels |
| 08:41.25 | VjdfMQ | tosky: What's the neon channel ? |
| 08:41.43 | VjdfMQ | oh I see, I see |
| 08:41.46 | VjdfMQ | Thank you |
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| 08:48.37 | VjdfMQ | kde-neon is quite |
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| 09:02.18 | kooldavi | hi there. my second screen is disabled in kde plasma settings and it is not shown. xrandr doesn't list it either. i had this problem a few months ago, the solution was to delete a file in /home/user/.config, but i can't remember which file it was. does anyone know this? |
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| 09:17.17 | kooldavi | ah, i got it. removing the /home/user/.kde folder worked.. |
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| 10:31.27 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 10:50.38 | aleksander | hm⦠anyone gets mixed colors of mouse cursor? both in gtk and qt i set it the same (snow breeze), but i can still see it flickers black in kickoff menu, and in titlebar of qt apps |
| 10:56.13 | scrumplex[m]1 | logoff and login |
| 10:56.30 | scrumplex[m]1 | some applications (like plasmashell) need to be restarted in order for it to work |
| 10:59.56 | aleksander | i've seen this since few days already |
| 11:00.09 | aleksander | no logoff helps |
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| 11:28.53 | V7 | Hey all |
| 11:28.58 | V7 | What's the username on forum ? |
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| 11:40.12 | V7 | On the registration fee it aks for First Name, Last Name and E-Mail, so no username |
| 11:42.08 | aleksander | if my memory isn't fcnkng with me, You will specify this later |
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| 11:44.52 | Vonor | hey. i just searched for an rss viewer and found an applet in the kde store. however, i have no idea how to install it. my firefox doesn't understand the ocs:// uri format. could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 11:45.36 | mr_sm1th | Hi. Chromium uses KDialog for dialogs on my system, but the order of the buttons is swapped |
| 11:45.49 | mr_sm1th | I.e. OK / cancel instead of the other way around. |
| 11:45.57 | mr_sm1th | Does anyone know where that can be configured? |
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| 11:47.13 | mr_sm1th | Oh that is KDE wide :( |
| 11:47.47 | aleksander | Vonor there is a store for that https://itsfoss.com/ocs-store/ but i never got luck to get it work properly. i suggest manual installation + dose of frustration as a resolution |
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| 11:52.35 | V7 | THank you aleksander |
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| 12:06.45 | mr_sm1th | Is it possible to change the default button order on dialogs? |
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| 12:14.21 | ekoportable | Halo |
| 12:14.47 | ekoportable | Somebody |
| 12:15.35 | jankusanagi_ | ? |
| 12:16.32 | mr_sm1th | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149818/how-to-give-the-same-order-for-ok-and-cancel-buttons-in-kde-and-gnome-applic |
| 12:16.43 | mr_sm1th | Answer here to get 50 fake internet points. ;) |
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| 12:22.03 | hyper_ch | hi there, when I try to go systemsettings -> Display and Monitor , then the window just crashes |
| 12:22.11 | hyper_ch | how can I set the display and monitor? |
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| 12:26.45 | aleksander | try using monitor settings from lxde |
| 12:27.17 | aleksander | hm⦠anyone gets mixed colors of mouse cursor? both in gtk and qt i set it the same (snow breeze), but i can still see it flickers black in kickoff menu, and in titlebar of qt apps |
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| 12:35.51 | zulrax | hey, kde seems to be running a lot of my previous application on startup, i do not want this, is there any way i can stop that from happening? i don't have any applications in my autostart menu |
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| 12:41.49 | aleksander | zulrax try bum |
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| 12:43.49 | aleksander | boot up manager |
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| 12:46.11 | tosky | this is not related to the boot manager |
| 12:48.13 | aleksander | what are previous applications? i assumed it's a remain from other DE that is still an option to run |
| 12:48.41 | aleksander | but yea, tosky is right, bum is not for that |
| 12:49.43 | tosky | aleksander: the user left, but I guess it's just about applications starting automatically *inside* the desktop session |
| 12:49.46 | tosky | when the desktop starts |
| 12:49.49 | tosky | not system services |
| 12:51.39 | aleksander | out of curiosity â what would You recommend him to do? |
| 12:52.16 | tosky | start with a clean session (there is an option for that from systemsettingS) |
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| 12:54.19 | aleksander | good point |
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| 13:21.21 | mr_sm1th | Is it possible to disable notifications during some activities? |
| 13:21.31 | mr_sm1th | I mean the 'activity' feature. |
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| 13:56.04 | BluesKaj | mr_sm1th, which activity "feature" |
| 13:56.18 | BluesKaj | ? |
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| 14:00.44 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma's Activities |
| 14:02.31 | jankusanagi_ | https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities |
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| 17:49.31 | fly | Hi. is there like a list of things to package if I want to package kde? |
| 17:49.51 | fly | I never used it ,so dunno where to start |
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| 17:54.39 | LazyGnoll | fly: there's really no strict definiton "this is KDE" ("KDE is a community" yadda yadda :^), there is Plasma, there are "official" KDE Applications, there are extra applications, etc. |
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| 17:56.12 | anoobhere | Just tried wayland-session on Arch @KDE Plasma 5.12.4 and faced this unusual bug where the title bar of "Configure Desktop" is going behind the top panel see here(https://imgur.com/a/IOQnS). |
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| 18:35.03 | anoobhere | Just tried wayland-session on Arch @KDE Plasma 5.12.4 and faced this unusual bug where the title bar of "Configure Desktop" is going behind the top panel see here(https://imgur.com/a/IOQnS). |
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| 19:00.46 | V7 | So, I've written a question on KDE forum about mouse problem, but in 5 hours, noone has anaswered |
| 19:01.15 | jankusanagi_ | and the question is... |
| 19:01.29 | V7 | jankusanagi_: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=151798&p=397051&hilit=psmouse#p397051 |
| 19:01.53 | V7 | Oh, 9 hours |
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| 19:02.54 | jankusanagi_ | doesn't really seem related to Plasma |
| 19:03.07 | jankusanagi_ | and if booting with an older Linux works... |
| 19:03.45 | V7 | It doesn't |
| 19:04.18 | jankusanagi_ | I meant because of "Then, I've tried to boot into previous kernel 4.13.0-37 and now work TrackBall, TouchPad and Button above TouchPad work, but Buttons below TouchPad don't." |
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| 19:04.38 | jankusanagi_ | anyway, I think this is more of a question for Neon channels |
| 19:04.53 | V7 | ... But buttons ... don't |
| 19:05.10 | V7 | neon is quite |
| 19:05.14 | V7 | Already asked there |
| 19:05.17 | jankusanagi_ | seems weird that you had an important update related to this, since Neon uses Ubuntu LTS base |
| 19:05.54 | jankusanagi_ | well, quiet or not, I'd say theirs is still the right channel, for non-KDE-software related questions |
| 19:05.55 | V7 | Neon has only builtbot messages there |
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| 19:06.12 | V7 | non KDE ? |
| 19:06.20 | V7 | The main device just disabled |
| 19:06.34 | jankusanagi_ | but it's not related to Plasma or anything by KDE |
| 19:06.35 | V7 | This is REALLY related to the KDE |
| 19:06.44 | jankusanagi_ | it's a problem with Linux, libinput, or whatever else in the stack |
| 19:06.48 | V7 | What a heck are you talking about there ? |
| 19:07.04 | V7 | The distribution is called KDE Neon 5.12 |
| 19:07.12 | V7 | So, the KDE maid it |
| 19:07.16 | jankusanagi_ | wow... ok xDD |
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| 19:07.33 | V7 | Linux Kernel + some apps ~ KDE Neon |
| 19:07.40 | V7 | So, these aps are from KDE |
| 19:08.01 | jankusanagi_ | no, they're reaaaally not |
| 19:08.29 | V7 | One of them just could mess up the input device ( mouse in thi case ) so I want to know if it didn't the "KDE software" as you mentioned |
| 19:08.41 | asturm | V7: it really is ubuntu with updated Plasma and Applications. so if the kernel is messed up that is ubuntu's realm |
| 19:08.55 | V7 | Why you think that this is kernel ? |
| 19:09.12 | V7 | Where do you see that this is related to kernel ? |
| 19:09.25 | asturm | apparently different kernel affected your outcome |
| 19:09.37 | V7 | Nope, it didn't |
| 19:09.42 | asturm | and if it is not the kernel, the next candidates are evdev and libinput |
| 19:09.43 | V7 | Part of mouse returned |
| 19:09.53 | jankusanagi_ | so it affected your outcome |
| 19:10.11 | V7 | If it did, then all would returned to the initial state |
| 19:10.33 | V7 | Also, I understood, here're people who won't help anyway |
| 19:10.36 | V7 | Bye bye |
| 19:10.38 | jankusanagi_ | plus, messages like "psmouse serio1: synaptics: Unable to query device." are not printed by Plasma or any other software made by KDE |
| 19:10.42 | V7 | Thank you, for nothing. |
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| 19:10.48 | jankusanagi_ | you're very welcome |
| 19:10.49 | jankusanagi_ | =) |
| 19:11.02 | asturm | grand |
| 19:11.15 | HyP3r | hello, I want to configure conky for autostart. |
| 19:11.24 | HyP3r | I'm using KDE on Ubuntu |
| 19:11.56 | HyP3r | I have created a file in ~/.config/autostart which is autostarting conky |
| 19:12.56 | HyP3r | But now on each restart one instance (more) is running of conky |
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| 19:13.17 | jankusanagi_ | you're probably saving session |
| 19:13.24 | jankusanagi_ | so you'd want to start with an empty session |
| 19:13.26 | asturm | HyP3r: you can exclude conky from session restore |
| 19:13.33 | HyP3r | how? |
| 19:13.42 | jankusanagi_ | or remove it from autostart, and let the session restore it |
| 19:13.50 | jankusanagi_ | in Plasma's System Settings |
| 19:13.56 | jankusanagi_ | search for "session" |
| 19:13.57 | asturm | systemsettings -> startup and shutdown |
| 19:15.08 | HyP3r | I think I have the box, should I write /usr/bin/conky or conky? |
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| 19:16.31 | asturm | binary name is enough, path not needed |
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| 19:22.38 | HyP3r | Ok I'll test it |
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| 19:32.06 | V7 | Also, for a moment. Returned to newest kernel and the same image as on previous one. All works, but buttons. This is not kernel related. |
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| 19:33.05 | jankusanagi_ | of course not, Plasma just hates his mouse =) |
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| 19:36.17 | tosky | we are totally payed to solve random problems on forums in less than 9 hours, right |
| 19:36.20 | tosky | </rant> |
| 19:37.58 | jankusanagi_ | of course, didn't you know? |
| 19:38.15 | jankusanagi_ | don't tell me you weren't here on payday :D |
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| 19:39.15 | jankusanagi_ | even an actual paid technical service would have probably said "leave the machine here, call tomorrow to see if it's ready, bye" xD |
| 19:39.49 | asturm | 'make sure that your power cable is plugged in.' |
| 19:42.02 | tosky | I answered on the forum: with an older kernel, the behavior changes (even if some keys are still not working) |
| 19:42.26 | tosky | but that's more than an hint that it's probably below Qt |
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| 19:42.58 | jankusanagi_ | also notice how the forum user has just this one post |
| 19:43.26 | asturm | well, many forum subscribtions probably start with a pet issue |
| 19:44.07 | jankusanagi_ | yes, but hopefully not with this attitude =) |
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| 20:53.27 | steinwayer | hi everyone!! how are you guys?? |
| 20:54.41 | steinwayer | have a quick question for you. Gnome user here. I am thinking of switching to KDE because of Gnome poor graphical performance (being stuttery and laggy on animations) and wanted to ask your opinion. If i switch to KDE, will GTK apps run slower on KDE? |
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| 20:55.11 | asturm | steinwayer: there is no reason for that, on a modern system |
| 20:55.35 | steinwayer | running debian on a macbook pro mid 2012 i5, with 8gb ram and SSD |
| 20:56.56 | jankusanagi_ | I doubt GTK-based programs will run slower under Plasma |
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| 21:10.48 | asturm | jankusanagi_: you could measure higher ram use because of additional toolkit |
| 21:11.23 | asturm | but... how big is the chance you can run your system in Qt purity, anyway |
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| 21:12.33 | seijikun | When akonadi is not running, that's probably still way below what Gnome alone allocated when I last tried it. ;) |
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| 21:17.46 | jankusanagi_ | I've has a whole GNU system with Plasma using just 160 MiB |
| 21:17.50 | jankusanagi_ | *had |
| 21:31.29 | romariorios[m] | So, I've been having a pretty annoying issue for a pretty long time now. Whenever I connect any relatively large monitor (for example, 17 inches), my DPI gets unbearably low when if I started the session with the monitor connected |
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| 21:31.47 | romariorios[m] | My only choice is to start the session and then connect the monitor |
| 21:31.51 | romariorios[m] | Any idea how do I make this stop? |
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| 21:35.25 | jankusanagi_ | maybe using the "Force fonts DPI" option |
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| 22:14.49 | arey1014[lp] | Why do I get a notifications popup in different theme? I using the default breeze theme but it shows an ugly tan and blue popup. |
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| 22:18.01 | jalcine | arey1014[lp]: breeze theme for KDE/Qt (application theme) or the desktop theme (Plasma)? |
| 22:18.13 | jalcine | It might be a bit confusing but those have two separate theming system |
| 22:18.42 | jalcine | more recent versions of KDE have a function called "Look and Feel" which you can use to centralize/align themes across the system |
| 22:18.48 | jankusanagi_ | any notification? |
| 22:18.55 | jankusanagi_ | versions of Plasma =) |
| 22:19.08 | arey1014[lp] | 5.12 |
| 22:19.13 | arey1014[lp] | any notification |
| 22:19.28 | arey1014[lp] | on arch |
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| 22:20.19 | arey1014[lp] | jalcine: so should is there a way to change kde/qt in settings? |
| 22:20.25 | jankusanagi_ | try switchching the Plasma theme to something else, apply, then switch back |
| 22:20.39 | jankusanagi_ | the application (widgets) theme has nothing to do with this |
| 22:20.49 | jalcine | ^ |
| 22:22.06 | arey1014[lp] | so under 'Look And Feel' or 'Desktop Theme' |
| 22:22.08 | arey1014[lp] | ? |
| 22:22.22 | jankusanagi_ | desktop theme |
| 22:22.34 | jankusanagi_ | Look and Feel changes a whole lot of things all at once |
| 22:22.48 | jankusanagi_ | *including* Desktop Theme |
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| 22:25.41 | arey1014[lp] | still doesn't do anything |
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| 22:26.32 | jalcine | can you upload a screenshot of what's happening? I'm curious |
| 22:27.16 | arey1014[lp] | ok let me try |
| 22:28.14 | arey1014[lp] | is there a shortcut to take a screenshot upon login? |
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| 22:29.03 | arey1014[lp] | or kde screenshot app |
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| 22:37.24 | arey1014 | here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/0dbIuqC |
| 22:39.15 | jalcine | sorry about that, switched screens |
| 22:39.27 | jalcine | oh that does _not_ look like a KDE specific notificaiton |
| 22:39.29 | jalcine | *notification |
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| 22:39.47 | jalcine | like a separate application is generating that |
| 22:40.02 | arey1014[lp] | its the systray wifi widget notification |
| 22:40.04 | jankusanagi_ | it's easy to test Plasma's notifications |
| 22:40.09 | arey1014[lp] | all notifications popup like that |
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| 22:40.23 | jankusanagi_ | yeah, that notification is not from Plasma |
| 22:40.24 | arey1014[lp] | oh ok cool. how can I test it? |
| 22:40.57 | jankusanagi_ | you can run: kdialog --passivepopup test |
| 22:41.12 | arey1014[lp] | unlocking widets on panel shows the same notification and that's plasma |
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| 22:41.37 | jankusanagi_ | anyway, the notification on your screenshot look a lot like the notifications on Xfce or Mate |
| 22:41.54 | jankusanagi_ | so you probably have some daemon from them, controlling notifications |
| 22:41.59 | jankusanagi_ | instead of Plasma |
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| 22:44.01 | arey1014[lp] | you're right |
| 22:44.19 | arey1014[lp] | I had mate-notification-daemon installed on my arch |
| 22:44.30 | jankusanagi_ | well, installed is one thing |
| 22:44.37 | jankusanagi_ | running is a different story :D |
| 22:44.49 | arey1014[lp] | It's no longer doing it!!!! |
| 22:45.03 | jalcine | :) |
| 22:45.07 | jalcine | awesome! |
| 22:45.08 | arey1014[lp] | jankusanagi: Thanks for this! |
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| 22:45.09 | jankusanagi_ | killed and destroyed =) |
| 22:45.14 | jalcine | ð¥ |
| 22:45.14 | jankusanagi_ | no problem :D |
| 22:46.10 | arey1014[lp] | I've been installing plasma on each box I have. It's really been cleaned up. Thanks guys |
| 22:47.03 | jalcine | it's only going to get better |
| 22:47.04 | jankusanagi_ | \o/ |
| 22:47.14 | jalcine | the VDG's working hard at making Plasma awesome |
| 22:47.51 | arey1014[lp] | hopefully I can get a better wayland experience with 5.13 |
| 22:48.08 | arey1014[lp] | right now plasma crashes when closing windows with 5.12 |
| 22:48.44 | jalcine | if you can get a bug report with a useful stacktrace (like with debugging symbols installed), be sure to report (or attach if there's a relevant one that exist) |
| 22:50.53 | arey1014[lp] | jalcine: ok. If I can get to it I will. |
| 22:51.05 | jalcine | totally :) |
| 22:51.08 | jalcine | we make it better together |
| 22:53.31 | arey1014[lp] | I like that. |
| 22:54.00 | arey1014[lp] | Coming from gnome it's definitely different vibe here |
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