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| 00:31.47 | chealer | hi. Debian stable's KOrganizer 5.2.3 has been crashing every time I try to edit an event, journal or todo entry (which means I can't create any) for a few days, or if I try to open application settings. This happens for my user, not for other users. It was not caused by an upgrade. How can I workaround? |
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| 01:57.26 | noahdvs | I noticed kio-mtp hasn't been updated since late 2014 and still depends on the KDE4 runtime library. |
| 01:57.34 | noahdvs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.02 | noahdvs | never mind |
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| 02:28.50 | KWhat4 | Hi, Any idea why I cannot unlock my workstation from the kde lock screen? It works fine from the cli but after starting plasma, it will not unlock. I am running 5.12 |
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| 07:41.43 | Metalindustrien | Does anybody know if the media player plasmoid works with Plex Media Player? |
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| 07:51.24 | TheDcoder | Hello, all of a sudden my KDE desktop has started lagging out of the blue... |
| 07:51.24 | TheDcoder | My CPU usage is above average (fluctuates between 25-30%), normally it is around 1% when idle :-/ |
| 07:51.24 | TheDcoder | Firefox and Hexchat are a little bit laggy... |
| 07:51.24 | TheDcoder | The main shell/desktop is very laggy |
| 07:51.24 | TheDcoder | It is almost unusable at this point... the start menu, the context options in desktop, moving widgets, resizing windows etc. all of them are very laggy |
| 07:51.26 | TheDcoder | I have looked this up and found some people with the same problem |
| 07:51.28 | TheDcoder | One of them even had a very similar configuration to mine (Asus computer and Nvidia graphics card) |
| 07:51.30 | TheDcoder | I have properly installed everything and it has been working well for a while now (a few months). The problem only started today, in the morning... |
| 07:51.33 | TheDcoder | jreznik_ (~jreznik@2a00:1028:96c2:97a:37c6:c166:380f:425c) has Joined #fedora-kde |
| 07:51.35 | TheDcoder | This thread also seems to be relavent: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=121533 |
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| 07:52.08 | TheDcoder | I am using Fedora 28 and KDE 5 (I assume) |
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| 10:26.53 | silver_hook | What do you guys use as snippet manager outside of the text editor and mail client? |
| 10:27.28 | silver_hook | The use case I have is that I have some templates I need to use both on the web (and perhaps through mail). |
| 10:28.13 | silver_hook | So far I use the Notes plasmoid, but those will become cluttered. |
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| 10:29.58 | Metalindustrien | silver_hook: Not really a snippet manager, but I use Simplenote for snippets. |
| 10:30.53 | silver_hook | Metalindustrien: Thatâs a standalone app or plasmoid â¦or what? |
| 10:31.06 | Metalindustrien | silver_hook: Standalone app |
| 10:31.07 | silver_hook | I canât find it through Discover on Kubuntu. |
| 10:31.33 | Metalindustrien | Huh. https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-simplenote-ubuntu perhaps? |
| 10:33.30 | silver_hook | Thanks |
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| 10:57.45 | chealer | Debian stable's KOrganizer 5.2.3 has been crashing every time I try to edit an event, journal or todo entry (which means I can't create any) for a few days, or if I try to open application settings. This happens for my user, not for other users. It was not caused by an upgrade. |
| 10:57.56 | chealer | How can I workaround or reset KOrganizer? |
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| 10:59.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | KDE (plasma)5.12 randomly freezes session for me, nothing except mouse cursor moves or lives anymore, even clock stops. No kbd actions except crrl+alt+(tab|F1) either. killing kwin revives the remaining zombies, though obviously without win deco and win management. How to debug when this occurs again? I want to help fix this |
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| 11:00.46 | Joerg-Neo900 | or maybe, is there already a known fix for this issue? |
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| 11:02.20 | onlyabyte | My goodness, KDE Connect is superb. |
| 11:02.27 | Joerg-Neo900 | strace `pidof kwin` ? |
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| 11:03.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | I need advice now since obviously whe this happens again I hardly can chat in IRC to get some |
| 11:04.29 | Joerg-Neo900 | I already checked: htop, syslog/journald. Nothing relevant or interesting in there |
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| 11:09.07 | Joerg-Neo900 | alas I missed to look into ~/.xsession-errors-:0 while KDE frozen. Since I had to reboot to finally recover from the freeze, it seems .xsession-errors-:0 is starting with the bootup of the current KDE session and lost its old content |
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| 11:25.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | however I found this: https://i.imgur.com/cWXQPC7.png |
| 11:27.47 | Joerg-Neo900 | -rw------- 1 jr users 73334 Jun 18 23:58 .xsession-errors-:0 which is about the time the freeze happened. The snapshot is from 8h later so it should have the complete log and stalled at 23:58 |
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| 11:34.10 | TheDcoder | I have managed to generate a perf report and I need a developer to look at it so that my lag issue can be solved: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=152887&p=400096#p400096 |
| 11:34.24 | TheDcoder | thanks for helping in advance :) |
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| 11:42.48 | JyZyXEL | doing Alt+Shit+F12 twice often fixes freezing issues for me |
| 11:43.13 | JyZyXEL | the whole freezing and flickering windows / displays issue anyways |
| 11:45.48 | Joerg-Neo900 | what is Alt+Shit+F12 supposed to do? |
| 11:48.53 | itsmepotato[m] | disable/enable composite |
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| 12:01.18 | Joerg-Neo900 | aaah makes really much sense |
| 12:02.38 | Joerg-Neo900 | indeed the symptoms quite likely might related to compositing or anything very similar |
| 12:06.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | the "weird" thing is: this is a PC that is several years old and didn't see any hw changes. I upgraded from KDE4 where I can't recall ever having had that issue |
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| 12:19.11 | JyZyXEL | i've been doing it religiously since KDE4 :P |
| 12:19.29 | JanKusanagi | Plasma 4 took much less advantage of OpenGL |
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| 12:28.46 | Metalindustrien | Using KDE and Salesforce's DX CLI stuff, trying to authorize myself at Salesforce netted me an error, https://pastebin.com/tKQkLzjK . Only solution I could find was to install gnome-keyring. Isn't there some KDE equivalent capable of handling this? |
| 12:29.36 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 12:30.14 | Joerg-Neo900 | how would I disable compositor permanently? |
| 12:33.42 | Guest278 | joerg-neo900: settings->display and monitor->compositor |
| 12:33.51 | Joerg-Neo900 | ta! :-) |
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| 12:34.03 | Guest278 | deutsch? |
| 12:34.07 | Joerg-Neo900 | yep |
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| 12:34.27 | Guest278 | hast Du's gefunden? |
| 12:34.34 | Joerg-Neo900 | kein problem |
| 12:34.41 | Guest278 | wunderbar! |
| 12:34.50 | Guest278 | viel SpaÃ! |
| 12:36.39 | Joerg-Neo900 | I hope this helps avoiding further freezes |
| 12:39.34 | tosky | (or make things worse) |
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| 12:41.06 | Lope | I'm busy trying out kde-plasma on ubuntu 18.04. It's very nice! But I can't get keyboard shortcuts working. Trying to launch gnome-calculator. I've tried just the program name and also the full path to it. I've tried it as a global shortcut and as an application shortcut. |
| 12:41.37 | Lope | When I press the key-combo, nothing happens. I've setup the same keyboard shortcut on Mate desktop environment, and it works. |
| 12:45.05 | Lope | I've set it to have 2 virtual desktops, now the hotkeys for switching virtual desktops is working... |
| 12:46.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: I hope not. After all the amount of more complex graphics operations called in OpenGL will get reduced |
| 12:46.47 | tosky | Joerg-Neo900: the more complex graphics operation are moving the loads to another place, so no, they are not improving things |
| 12:46.59 | Joerg-Neo900 | JyZyXEL: how do I tell if compositor is on or off after pressing alt+sh+F12? |
| 12:47.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: hmm? |
| 12:47.48 | JyZyXEL | Joerg-Neo900: transparency stops working when compositing is disabled |
| 12:47.59 | Joerg-Neo900 | :-) ta |
| 12:48.09 | tosky | the graphical co-processor executes the operations, not the main CPU |
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| 12:48.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | I know that |
| 12:49.43 | Joerg-Neo900 | and, as JyZyXEL just explained, I hope a truckload of eyecandy GPU-heavy operations simply won't get used when I disable compositor |
| 12:50.28 | tosky | and instead the normal CPU will be used |
| 12:50.41 | itsmepotato[m] | I like how compositing is disable when i run games but it disables widgets too which i hate. |
| 12:50.46 | tosky | those "heavy" operations are not heavy for any GPU which has less than 10 years |
| 12:51.09 | Joerg-Neo900 | no, I hope it won't. And even if then I hope that emulation will be less buggy and prone to complete freezing of display |
| 12:51.56 | JyZyXEL | man, im just glad im not the only one with the freezing issues :D |
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| 12:54.34 | Joerg-Neo900 | hah! also no more shadows |
| 12:55.09 | Joerg-Neo900 | so clearly all those eyecandy functions will _not_ get emulated by CPU when I disable compositing |
| 12:55.16 | tneo | Hello, I got a RD that I connect to with KRDC. Today I can't connect, it jus flashes a blue screen and stops. No error on terminal is shown. Connecting to a different RD works. I've changed the password on the RD, without succes. What can be the cause/ how to debug? |
| 12:55.28 | JyZyXEL | itsmepotato[m]: my widgets just lose transparency during gaming and continue working with black backgrounds |
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| 12:56.20 | itsmepotato[m] | wait what my widgets completely stop working |
| 12:56.26 | JyZyXEL | a worthy trade-off for better responsiveness in gaming in a lot of cases |
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| 12:57.37 | itsmepotato[m] | yea but i don't are about compositing during gaming but i want the widgets to work |
| 12:58.01 | Joerg-Neo900 | Guest278: https://i.imgur.com/GaCea17.png btw |
| 12:59.30 | itsmepotato[m] | yea but can't the widgets work without compositing?? |
| 13:03.13 | JyZyXEL | i suppose that depends on the widget |
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| 13:04.25 | [Enrico] | tneo: krdc uses xfreedrp, try to start it from command line and connect to the RD that doesn't work |
| 13:05.26 | itsmepotato[m] | yea maybe |
| 13:05.33 | [Enrico] | tneo: so using something like this: xfreerdp /v:rd-hostname.tld |
| 13:07.13 | Guest278 | Joerg-Neo900: Willst Du mir damit zeigen, dass Du das compositing doch nicht ausgemacht hast? Ich bin verwirrt... |
| 13:07.31 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: why don't just disable all the eye candy effects and keep compositing enabled? You can disable them in systemsettings -> desktop behavior -> desktop effects |
| 13:07.32 | tneo | That throws some error that it is unable to connect. |
| 13:07.42 | tneo | [Enrico]: ^^ |
| 13:07.55 | Joerg-Neo900 | nope, I made this screenshot for other purposes. compositing is shut off |
| 13:08.02 | [Enrico] | tneo: well you have you reason why it doesn't work. It cannot connect |
| 13:08.14 | [Enrico] | tneo: possibly the other endpoint is down or there is a network issue |
| 13:08.26 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: I was just making a general question |
| 13:08.33 | Joerg-Neo900 | [Enrico]: because I explicitly want to disable hw-compositor |
| 13:08.57 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: hw compositor? the compositor is a software |
| 13:09.01 | [Enrico] | not an hardware |
| 13:09.04 | Joerg-Neo900 | meh |
| 13:09.06 | Metalindustrien | If everything seems to be working okay on my Arch, should I put linux and linux-headers in IgnorePkg in pacman.conf? I've seen some people recommend that on production machines in order to avoid any nasty bugs |
| 13:09.14 | [Enrico] | it can use hardware acceleration though |
| 13:09.36 | tneo | [Enrico]: that is awkward as it worked, just haven't connected recently. I can connect to the desktop through the host KVM |
| 13:10.15 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: ultimately the reason why I'm asking is that modern desktop mandates compositor, in wayland is not even optional any longer. That's also required for security reasons |
| 13:10.18 | Joerg-Neo900 | [Enrico]: I know all this. What's your point? |
| 13:10.26 | [Enrico] | tneo: KVM uses a different network interface |
| 13:10.35 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: as I said, just a question :) |
| 13:10.50 | Joerg-Neo900 | wayland after I died |
| 13:10.53 | [Enrico] | I have no point, other than I think compositor should be enabled |
| 13:11.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | I think compositor should not freeze sessions |
| 13:13.03 | [Enrico] | I totally agree with that |
| 13:13.32 | Joerg-Neo900 | when opengl has bugs in its use of "3D" hw-accel, then I hope disabling compositor will avoid pretty much most of them |
| 13:14.30 | tneo | [Enrico]: xfreerrdp now works, KRDC still refuses service |
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| 13:15.04 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: I think with plasma 5.13 kwin will automatically fallback to software rendering if hw acceleration has a problem. Not sure, so don't quote me, but that could be a thing now |
| 13:15.43 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm fine with that, as long as it doesn't fubar stuff. Anyway 5.12 here |
| 13:16.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | and it evidently was kwin which when killed "unfroze" my session |
| 13:16.49 | Joerg-Neo900 | so maybe kwin should focus on stability instead eyecandy |
| 13:16.55 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: well sometimes it can be the driver, killing kwin simply forces a screen repaint |
| 13:17.53 | [Enrico] | it's like when you are in a game and the screen freezes, you kill the game, screen is back. It can be the game, but it can be the driver |
| 13:18.07 | Joerg-Neo900 | yes, I also suspect opengl as the main culprit |
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| 13:18.32 | tosky | Joerg-Neo900: kwin focuses really a lot on stability, much more than eyecandy |
| 13:18.38 | Joerg-Neo900 | or the way kwin calls opengl |
| 13:19.00 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: no offense intended |
| 13:19.23 | tosky | still an unproved claim |
| 13:19.46 | Joerg-Neo900 | and so far kwin was rock solid for me in kde2...4 at least, not sure about kde1 |
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| 13:20.30 | tosky | you should try the same kwin with the same graphical drivers, to be able to do a proper comparison |
| 13:20.34 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: keep in mind YMMV. For me kwin as it is now is the most stable I've ever seen I think |
| 13:20.47 | [Enrico] | and I started with KDE 2 |
| 13:21.01 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: err? so this would differ from what I did the last 2 or 3 years how? |
| 13:21.51 | [Enrico] | kisses his Intel IGP |
| 13:21.58 | tosky | Joerg-Neo900: did the software stack which is below KWin stay the same in those years, and the years that you used older KWin versions? |
| 13:22.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | [Enrico]: this would be one more indication that my opengl driver is the culprit |
| 13:22.28 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: what card do you have, what driver? |
| 13:23.10 | [Enrico] | mostly for my own curiosity |
| 13:23.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | "card" is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 13:23.26 | Joerg-Neo900 | how would I find driver info? |
| 13:23.52 | tosky | it's most likely the mesa driver |
| 13:24.00 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: glxinfo, look at the opengl render string. Can you share the precise CPU model from /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 13:24.02 | tosky | from Xorg logs, or from kinfocenter |
| 13:24.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://pastebin.com/8XePbnZi |
| 13:25.16 | [Enrico] | ah that's an ivy bridge, I also have one of those still in use, a laptop though, that's a desktop |
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| 13:25.53 | Joerg-Neo900 | OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 18.0.2 |
| 13:26.01 | [Enrico] | yeah intel driver |
| 13:26.29 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: the render line should be something like: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2) |
| 13:26.49 | [Enrico] | (I don't have the IVB device with me right now, so I'm talking the one I'm using as an example) |
| 13:27.09 | Joerg-Neo900 | jr@saturn:~> glxinfo | grep 'OpenGL renderer string' |
| 13:27.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Desktop |
| 13:29.45 | Joerg-Neo900 | any hints how to debig this stuff? |
| 13:29.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | debug even |
| 13:30.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | just in case it hits me again |
| 13:30.11 | tosky | I think you alredy did, but I forgot: which distribution do you use? |
| 13:30.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | leap15 |
| 13:30.28 | Joerg-Neo900 | suse |
| 13:30.44 | tosky | uhm, maybe leap is still using the -intel driver for the 2D part |
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| 13:32.41 | tneo | Joerg-Neo900: better ask in #suse |
| 13:32.57 | [Enrico] | freezes? not really, sorry about that. On the bright side I can say mesa 17.3 had quite a few problems, also affecting intel. With 18.0 it should be better and hopefully an unfortunate release like 17.3 wont happen again |
| 13:33.00 | Joerg-Neo900 | I already did, sorry for crossposting |
| 13:33.15 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: so if you were on 17.3 until recently that might explain part of the problem |
| 13:33.44 | Joerg-Neo900 | I upgraded a few days ago from suse42.3 / KDE4 |
| 13:33.52 | [Enrico] | tosky: to be honest for me video-intel is still better then modesetting. At least performance-wise. Stability wise I cannot tell honestly |
| 13:34.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | any further info you want me to dig up on this system? |
| 13:35.19 | Joerg-Neo900 | err sorry, actually I upgraded (/me ducks and covers) from suse13.2 |
| 13:35.40 | tneo | Joerg-Neo900: that is an unsupported upgrade |
| 13:35.40 | Joerg-Neo900 | via 42,3 to 15 in one day |
| 13:35.47 | Joerg-Neo900 | I know |
| 13:35.53 | tneo | And was 42.3 up-to-date? |
| 13:35.58 | Joerg-Neo900 | yes |
| 13:36.18 | tneo | Better off fresh installing 15 as you'll most likely have residue from 13.2 |
| 13:36.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | updated it prior ro 15 |
| 13:36.31 | tneo | There is a reason it is unsupported to do ;-) |
| 13:37.11 | Joerg-Neo900 | hmm, I think I can't really do that. would take ages to configure the complete system from scratch |
| 13:37.40 | tosky | Joerg-Neo900: is xf86-video-intel installed on your system? |
| 13:38.36 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://pastebin.com/9zxYHueq |
| 13:39.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | so yes |
| 13:39.33 | tosky | one thing that you may try is to remove it; the system should work with the modesetting driver, part of core Xorg |
| 13:39.53 | tosky | you may want to try the combinations both with and without compositing |
| 13:39.54 | Joerg-Neo900 | *shudder* |
| 13:40.05 | [Enrico] | or you can simply drop an Xorg config file to switch between modesetting and video-intel |
| 13:40.27 | Joerg-Neo900 | that sound less intrusive |
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| 13:41.06 | tosky | both Debian and Fedora removed that driver by default... |
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| 13:42.17 | tneo | suse probably as well, but Joerg-Neo900 has done an unsupported upgrade. |
| 13:42.27 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm absolutely happy with trying reversible "hacks" on this workstation, but it's my main (and only) professional station and I don't want to mess up stuff to a degree where it takes me out of business completely |
| 13:43.02 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: I think this is what you need: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/1S0dWGIj7wIlnIgpkUyAkw |
| 13:44.16 | tosky | you can follow [Enrico] advice, but please keep in mind that in the worst case it would be a matter of re-adding that package |
| 13:44.54 | Joerg-Neo900 | [Enrico]: that looks easy enough |
| 13:45.25 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: I'll have a closer look... stay tuned |
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| 13:50.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://i.imgur.com/DplNEml.png https://i.imgur.com/tBOsil1.png |
| 13:50.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | seems nothing depends on it |
| 13:51.56 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://i.imgur.com/GL5AIlC.png |
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| 13:53.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | could I mess around with modprobe a little? |
| 13:53.30 | tosky | sure, but it's not a kernel driver; it's the Xorg driver |
| 13:53.33 | Joerg-Neo900 | to just temporarily unload |
| 13:53.37 | Joerg-Neo900 | ooh |
| 13:53.39 | Joerg-Neo900 | sure |
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| 13:54.39 | Joerg-Neo900 | so adding the Xorg config file snippet and then starting a second session should already do? |
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| 13:55.28 | tosky | not sure that it works with a second session or you need to shut down and restart any Xorg session |
| 13:55.41 | Joerg-Neo900 | or would a "switch user" 2nd session use the same Xorg instance? |
| 13:57.42 | Joerg-Neo900 | wait, should Xorg tell about which drivers it uses, in .xsession-errors? |
| 13:58.09 | JanKusanagi | in Xorg.0.log it does |
| 13:58.23 | Joerg-Neo900 | aaah |
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| 14:00.43 | Joerg-Neo900 | alas it seems my distro managed to nuke Xorg.*.log |
| 14:01.14 | Joerg-Neo900 | or did it move to /var/log? |
| 14:01.53 | tosky | Xorg.0.log should be under /var/log, at least that's the case on Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and CentOs |
| 14:03.24 | JanKusanagi | move? system logs have always been there xD |
| 14:04.18 | Joerg-Neo900 | I thought it was on ~ |
| 14:04.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | my fault |
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| 14:07.30 | Joerg-Neo900 | so is this Xorg log useful for you? http://termbin.com/wvir |
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| 14:14.21 | tosky | Joerg-Neo900: it's using the intel driver |
| 14:14.36 | Joerg-Neo900 | *nod* |
| 14:15.39 | Joerg-Neo900 | does it simply search for well known filenames? so I could temporarily rename the driver file? |
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| 14:17.36 | gagbo | Hello, is there a way to make title bar disappear for maximized windows (I'm currently using breeze theme for window decorations but am open to suggestions if it means I can get this behaviour) |
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| 14:20.07 | JanKusanagi | search for intel_drv in your log |
| 14:20.18 | JanKusanagi | but I wonder why not just remove the package... |
| 14:21.23 | Joerg-Neo900 | JanKusanagi: I'm a tad shy to do uninstalls since it might get a PITA to revert that when it turns out to nuke my system |
| 14:21.51 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm pretty confident I can revert a mv aka rename on console |
| 14:22.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | even via ssh from my smartphone |
| 14:22.28 | tosky | please go with mv, but remember that revert == reinstall, even from console; it's not different |
| 14:22.44 | Joerg-Neo900 | yep |
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| 14:28.37 | Joerg-Neo900 | ohmy, no more "switch user" in the "shutdown menu" |
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| 14:29.50 | Joerg-Neo900 | prolly time to revert update-alternatives --config default-displaymanager "5 (xdm)" back to sddm |
| 14:30.40 | Joerg-Neo900 | ^^^ (xdm) been something somebody suggested to possibly cure the freeze issue |
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| 14:31.34 | Joerg-Neo900 | BBL o/ |
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| 14:40.22 | Joerg-Neo900 | ohmy, for maybe 2 minutes it seemed like KDE frozen during start already. But it only was busy, and still is |
| 14:42.21 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: sddm takes a long time at the first start. Will be fast afterwards. No idea why to be honest, but I see this after every OS system upgrade (so from fedora 27 to 28 for example, not for normal updates) |
| 14:43.27 | Joerg-Neo900 | Xorg.log http://termbin.com/6cdf |
| 14:43.37 | Joerg-Neo900 | no more intel |
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| 14:45.07 | Joerg-Neo900 | [ 15.104] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so |
| 14:45.42 | Joerg-Neo900 | I guess this was the purpose of this exercise? |
| 14:46.57 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: [Enrico]: ^ |
| 14:47.16 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: well you can try if it freezes now |
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| 14:47.44 | Joerg-Neo900 | I can't "try", just use it like this and hope for the best :-) |
| 14:48.08 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'll re-enable compositor though |
| 14:49.04 | tosky | yes, modesetting is used now |
| 14:49.55 | Joerg-Neo900 | seems everything works just fine. I might dare de-installing the obsolete cruft intel stuff? |
| 14:50.19 | tosky | well, let's try it for a while |
| 14:50.23 | [Enrico] | hold on to it for a while.... just in case. Doesn't hurt to have it around |
| 14:50.23 | tosky | few days |
| 14:50.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | ok |
| 14:51.04 | Joerg-Neo900 | many thanks guys! |
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| 14:52.17 | [Enrico] | you're welcome, hope it behaves better now |
| 14:52.30 | Joerg-Neo900 | :-) me too |
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| 15:03.32 | Lope | I'm busy trying out kde-plasma on ubuntu 18.04. It's very nice! But I can't get keyboard shortcuts working. Trying to launch gnome-calculator. I've tried just the program name and also the full path to it. I've tried it as a global shortcut and as an application shortcut. When I press the key-combo, nothing happens. I've setup the same keyboard shortcut on Mate desktop environment, and it works. I've set it to have 2 virtual desktops, now the hotkeys for switching |
| 15:03.32 | Lope | virtual desktops is working... |
| 15:04.30 | Lope | can KDE-Plasma place one panel on each monitor? |
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| 15:15.53 | Joerg-Neo900 | a noob question (maybe): where do I adjust width / height and color of window frame and titlebar? |
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| 15:16.16 | Joerg-Neo900 | I know that was possible once |
| 15:16.17 | Fuchs | frame width: window decoration setting |
| 15:16.25 | Fuchs | height: -ish there as well, by modifying button size |
| 15:16.35 | [Enrico] | Joerg-Neo900: systemsettings -> applicaiton style -> window decorations |
| 15:16.41 | Fuchs | colour: colour settings, it has two entries, one for active and one for inactive windows |
| 15:16.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | :-) thanks a lot |
| 15:17.06 | Fuchs | note that this does not change the border colour, that is something currently discussed elswhere, if you want a border colour, you need to choose a different window decoration, e.g. plastik |
| 15:17.33 | Fuchs | oh, modifying the title font size will also modify the title height |
| 15:17.37 | Fuchs | if you don't like button sizes |
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| 15:18.19 | Joerg-Neo900 | my primary concern is about (title and) frame color |
| 15:18.50 | Joerg-Neo900 | windows have no visible borders at all right now for me |
| 15:19.55 | Fuchs | then you definitely want a different deco than breeze |
| 15:20.01 | Fuchs | breeze is not supposed to have visible borders |
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| 15:20.06 | Fuchs | go with plastik |
| 15:20.16 | Fuchs | (or whatever else you fancy in there, it also has a button to get more) |
| 15:20.34 | mozzarella | wait what |
| 15:20.49 | mozzarella | I'm using breeze and my windows have borders |
| 15:21.04 | Fuchs | mozzarella: yes, and except the title they all have the same grey that window backgrounds do |
| 15:21.18 | Fuchs | which is on purpose and something heavily discussed currently, as the new default some people want is "no borders" |
| 15:21.19 | Joerg-Neo900 | I think I already switched theme since breeze had bot even any visible highlights in e.g. treeviews etc |
| 15:21.34 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: different thigns, same name |
| 15:21.46 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: there is a window deco called breeze (you don't want that if you want coloured borders) |
| 15:22.04 | Fuchs | and there is a Qt (and GTK) style called breeze, you might or might not want that, it affects window content, not window border (or title) |
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| 15:22.06 | Joerg-Neo900 | ohmy, thanks |
| 15:22.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | pretty confusing |
| 15:22.22 | Fuchs | (and last but not least there is also a plasma style called breeze, no idea if you want that, I think it looks nice) |
| 15:22.44 | Fuchs | right now you potentially only want to change the window deco style |
| 15:23.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | ok, I guess the info that breeze not related to breeze was already helping a lot |
| 15:23.36 | Fuchs | breeze is the default style for all parts KDE, so there are various things called breeze, and you can change them individually to something else you might fancy more |
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| 15:23.50 | Fuchs | e.g. you can have the breeze Qt style but not the breeze window deco (which can totally make sense) |
| 15:24.15 | Joerg-Neo900 | I messed around with all that stuff quite a bit since days, and got more and more puzzled and annoyed by the ubiquitous gray-in-gray theming |
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| 15:25.01 | Fuchs | oh, you will love this one: |
| 15:25.06 | Fuchs | there is also a colour style called breeze |
| 15:25.11 | Fuchs | unrelated to the 3 things mentioned above |
| 15:25.15 | Fuchs | which you can change as well :p |
| 15:25.29 | Joerg-Neo900 | when I change desktop theme, that will change all other more detailled aspects, right? |
| 15:25.29 | JanKusanagi | you can change all your colors any way you like |
| 15:25.29 | Fulgen | How can I overload the KTextEditor::Document::documentSave(As) functions in a sane way in order to install a custom save process? subclassing everything seems a rather messy solution to me |
| 15:25.34 | Fuchs | and an icon style. Now I think I got all covered |
| 15:25.42 | JanKusanagi | you can make the whole thing purple with light green and yellow if you want xD |
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| 15:25.52 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: some of them, I think. Not sure if all 5 of the above mentioned, but definitely half of them at least |
| 15:26.06 | Joerg-Neo900 | sigh |
| 15:26.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | it's confusing |
| 15:26.22 | JanKusanagi | Fulgen: that seems more of a #kde-devel question |
| 15:26.31 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: for your window borders, just change the deco |
| 15:26.33 | Fulgen | ah, didn't know about this cannel, thanks! |
| 15:26.39 | Fuchs | advantage: if you like how the rest looks, the rest will stay the same |
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| 15:28.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | I basically don't like pretty much most of the theming, I checked different desktop themes and they are all somewhat similar in this gray-in-gray theme |
| 15:29.02 | Fuchs | okay, then chances are you want to get a whole package if available |
| 15:29.03 | JanKusanagi | Breeze's Plasma theme adapts to *your* color scheme |
| 15:29.12 | JanKusanagi | so you can make it al purple with yellows if you want |
| 15:29.21 | Fuchs | if none suits you, you can use the various things mentioned above to alter various parts of it |
| 15:29.44 | Joerg-Neo900 | I guess that's what I need to do |
| 15:30.04 | Fuchs | for having coloured window borders you definitely don't want breeze though |
| 15:30.08 | Fuchs | as it doesn't have them, on purpose |
| 15:30.32 | Joerg-Neo900 | ^^^ :-/ |
| 15:30.59 | Joerg-Neo900 | breeze desktop theme you meant? |
| 15:31.19 | Fuchs | breeze window deco theme |
| 15:31.24 | Fuchs | that is the one doing borders (or not) |
| 15:31.59 | Fuchs | you can leave the desktop theme and just change the colours if you like the general desktop appearance (not the window borders) |
| 15:32.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | oh there's just breeze and plastic |
| 15:32.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | and breeze active |
| 15:32.21 | Fuchs | there is a button to get more |
| 15:32.25 | Joerg-Neo900 | ok, thanks, will switch to plastic then |
| 15:32.31 | Fuchs | if you don't like any. Plastic should do coloured borders though |
| 15:32.46 | Fuchs | (the actual colour you might have to change in the colour settings, no idea what the default is, might be grey-ish) |
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| 15:34.59 | Joerg-Neo900 | what I'd love would be a "allows you to modify everything you want" theme |
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| 15:36.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | then I wouldn't actually care about the colors it comes with, or heights/widths or whatever |
| 15:38.23 | Joerg-Neo900 | or about button icons and their borders, in window deco, task switcher, etc pp |
| 15:38.32 | JanKusanagi | you can make your own theme =) |
| 15:38.51 | Joerg-Neo900 | you got a befinner's howto on that? |
| 15:39.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | s/f/g/ |
| 15:39.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | I already managed to swap the systray icons for more nicely colored ones, so I guess the hard part is already done |
| 15:40.19 | Joerg-Neo900 | well, most of them, some still are barely visible |
| 15:42.06 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm not shy editing config files |
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| 15:47.10 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://i.imgur.com/uzaYvuE.png I can't come up with an appropriate comment to this (icons, truncated tex...), with my usability tester hat on |
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| 15:50.55 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: you might want to give some input to the visual design group (vdg) |
| 15:52.03 | Joerg-Neo900 | I think that would feel like playing Captain Obvious, no? |
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| 15:52.19 | Joerg-Neo900 | it's prolly a feature |
| 15:52.22 | Fuchs | depends, some people might not see the same things depending on settings |
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| 15:53.21 | Joerg-Neo900 | let's assume I'd be inclined to do so, how would I start on it? |
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| 15:53.27 | Joerg-Neo900 | how and where? |
| 15:54.46 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: either #kde-vdg or Telegram (the IRC channel is bridged to Telegram, so you might miss out on some images) |
| 15:55.15 | Joerg-Neo900 | hmm, no telegram for me, so far. IRC sounds great |
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| 15:58.38 | Joerg-Neo900 | done. Let's see if it's worth it |
| 15:59.12 | Joerg-Neo900 | seems the design folks are pretty much in love with gray-in-gray everywhere design |
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| 15:59.56 | Joerg-Neo900 | must be all youngsters, that don't have an old fart's impaired vision like I do |
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| 16:01.48 | ces | Selecting "rectangular region" in Spectacle results in the dialog popping up to select a region, but being unable to select anything and having to kill the process. Has anybody else run into this issue? |
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| 16:02.43 | Joerg-Neo900 | nope, works fine here. I ran into a pretty similar issue with khotkeys "autodetect window properties" |
| 16:05.08 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098119 |
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| 16:07.58 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: did you actually click&drag to define a rectange? |
| 16:10.53 | Joerg-Neo900 | the view only changes as soon as you start dragging |
| 16:14.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | I have other issues with Spectacle, particularly it often throws a "not writable" OWTTE error when I drag the snapshot image out of the Spectacle dialog to drop it elswhere, e.g. on Quick Share |
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| 16:26.21 | ces | Sorry, ended up having to purge spectacle because it's more of a liability than anything at this point. Even killing its process didn't save my system |
| 16:26.30 | Joerg-Neo900 | Fuchs: could you confirm (or deny) the effect I described in ^^^ bug report, please? |
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| 16:26.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | or anybody else in here |
| 16:27.22 | Fuchs | Joerg-Neo900: currently on mobile, so I'm afraid I can't sorry |
| 16:27.31 | Joerg-Neo900 | np, thanks anyway |
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| 16:28.26 | Joerg-Neo900 | I'm just hoping for PEBKAC since I would need that function |
| 16:30.01 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: strange. |
| 16:30.48 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: what means "didn't save my system"? |
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| 16:31.07 | ces | I had to do a hard reboot |
| 16:31.14 | Joerg-Neo900 | oooh |
| 16:31.29 | Joerg-Neo900 | so you couldn't escape from there? |
| 16:31.47 | Joerg-Neo900 | actually literally, pressing ESC |
| 16:31.51 | ces | nope. even doing reboot from an ssh session didn't work. had to do it physically |
| 16:33.02 | ces | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374009 seems to be this bug |
| 16:33.05 | Joerg-Neo900 | so you had a moving mouse pointer but anything else didn't do anything? |
| 16:33.49 | ces | Yes. Screen dims. Can move mouse pointer, but the cursor is changed as if I'm resizing a window. Can't escape or select anything. |
| 16:34.54 | thiago | spectacle doesn't have enough permissions to hang the system. The bug is necessarily elsewhere. |
| 16:35.05 | thiago | sure, spectacle triggers it, but the bug is elsewhere |
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| 16:35.24 | thiago | I use rectangle selection all the time and it works, except when I have multiple monitors |
| 16:36.45 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: this big describes a different behavior than what I have for using rectangular screenshot. You need to press left mouse button and hold it to drag a rectangle, no two clicks |
| 16:36.54 | thiago | but I do remember hving an issue that forced me to reboot |
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| 16:37.07 | Joerg-Neo900 | s/big/bug/ |
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| 16:44.02 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374009#c7 however sounds strangely familiar, I had hoped I cured my similar session freezes (unclear random triggers) just a few hours ago with help of this channel |
| 16:45.16 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: for me only killing kwin unfreezes the session, though destroys it of course |
| 16:45.52 | Joerg-Neo900 | ces: do you also have a intel GPU? |
| 16:47.31 | ces | nvidia. scrot -s has no issues |
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| 16:52.04 | Joerg-Neo900 | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374009#c18 hmmmm |
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| 16:57.36 | Joerg-Neo900 | I *think* Spectacle is only particularly good at triggering the bug, though it didn't for me so far. I however seem to have seen (almost) exactly same freezing of complete session from task switching or whatever, unrelated to Spectacle |
| 16:58.32 | Joerg-Neo900 | 3 times within a week so far |
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| 17:01.26 | Joerg-Neo900 | tosky: ^^^ my hopes for my freeze issue being fixed dwindle |
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| 17:12.16 | rfleming | Good day #kde |
| 17:12.26 | rfleming | I've got a dumb question that I hope you can answer. |
| 17:12.53 | rfleming | How do I change the mouse-over highlight color on the plasma panel from that blue, to something else. Same with the underline on the task manager |
| 17:14.26 | Joerg-Neo900 | meanwhile akonadi tries to kill my HDDs https://i.imgur.com/3DMOJDJ.png since hours and gours RRRAATTT RRRAATTT RRRAATTT RRRAATTT RRRAATTT RRRAATTT |
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| 17:29.24 | Joerg-Neo900 | rfleming: you got a mouse-over color on plasma panel? I only get that on task switcher (genuinely interested. If you meant task switcher then nm my question) |
| 17:31.48 | Joerg-Neo900 | hmm I guess my mysql db is fubar. Need to nuke and restore it maybe - anyway this akonadi+mysql HDD raping isn't bearable |
| 17:34.59 | renn0xtk9 | how to configure kde so that when I connect a LUKS encrypted harddrive, it will be mounted with user access, not root access |
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| 17:40.10 | ces | Yeah Joerg-Neo900 it happens for me every time. Hopefully switching to scrot will prevent it from happening |
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| 18:33.40 | rfleming | Joerg-Neo900: I may have been unclear. I have a mouseover color on the Application Launcher, for items... uses what appears to be the Breeze blue select colour. That same colour is the mouseover on the task switcher. |
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| 18:58.06 | pepo | Joerg-Neo900, I use XRender compositing. Best of both worlds (have shadows, avoid buggy OpenGL drivers) |
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| 19:20.51 | akik | pepo: what kind of bugs did you have with opengl? i had problems with x2go leaving graphics artifacts on the screen |
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| 19:21.09 | akik | pepo: xrender solved that for me |
| 19:23.04 | pepo | the type of bugs changes from Mesa to Mesa version. The last I remember was windows randomly flashing |
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| 19:54.20 | Joerg-Neo900 | so you suggest changing compositor to xrender? How would I do this? |
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| 20:26.40 | uknys | Hello everyone, why does the battery shows the max capacity instead of relative one (minus the wear level) ? and is it possible to change this behavior |
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| 21:23.39 | orionp | I'm trying to figure out the proper way to set the global system default kickoff favorites menu. It looks like it does still parse the obsolete kickoffrc but I'd like to migrate from that. |
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| 21:37.15 | rdieter | orionp: If you find anything, please share (fedora distro defaults for that involves patching source code, which would be nice to get away from) |
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| 21:57.33 | orionp | rdieter: They keys seem straightforward, but I don't know where plasma widgets would load global configs from. |
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| 21:59.18 | rdieter | orionp: plasma often requires javascript to modify stuff like that |
| 22:01.47 | orionp | rdieter: since you're here - any idea where the equivalent of .xsssion-errors would be on Fedora 28 for a plasma session started from gdm? |
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| 22:04.43 | rdieter | orionp: iirc, it's still under .cache somewhere, but #fedora would probably be a good place to ask too |
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