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| 02:27.46 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.13 and KDE Applications 18.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 02:46.52 | spacecase | what's up KDE folks, got a minute to talk about the media player plasmoid? |
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| 02:50.59 | JanKusanagi | o/ |
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| 02:53.50 | JanKusanagi | what about it? |
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| 02:56.53 | spacecase | found an interesting edge case. If you're not familiar with MPD, it's a music player that, for me, is running on a headless machine attached to my stereo and I control it through various devices via it's "clients," one of which being cantata on my laptop. If I have MPRIS D-Bus support enabled in cantata, it integrates with the media player plasmoid, KDE connect, and all that good stuff. However, what this means is that if my laptop goes to |
| 02:56.53 | spacecase | sleep, cantata gets a "pause" signal, which it passes onto the remote machine and interrupts playback unnecessarily |
| 02:57.21 | spacecase | not even really a bug, because pausing the media player on suspend is good generally, just wrong in this case |
| 02:57.54 | JanKusanagi | heh |
| 02:59.48 | JanKusanagi | sounds like MPD should have a configuration option to ignore certain events (like pause) when it has more than one client connected |
| 03:00.00 | JanKusanagi | but that's really not related to Plasma's media widget :D |
| 03:01.38 | spacecase | that's about the response I was expecting... it's not an MPD issue, and MPD doesn't need any clients connected to it to function, it can play happily with none connected after playback is started and it's designed to be that way. It's not a cantata issue either, and its not even a plasmoid bug... just the design not providing the best user experience in the one case |
| 03:02.20 | spacecase | needs a "tweaks" file or something |
| 03:02.22 | JanKusanagi | not an MPD issue, but MPD could have a setting to.. well, what I said |
| 03:02.24 | JanKusanagi | xd |
| 03:02.43 | spacecase | the developer will never go for that |
| 03:02.56 | JanKusanagi | I don't see why not, it makes sense |
| 03:03.22 | JanKusanagi | it would also make sense for clients (like Cantata) to also have settings to _not_ send "pause" when going to sleep, etc |
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| 03:27.47 | factor | Does anyone know how to startup KDE with openGL2 |
| 03:27.56 | factor | On Linux |
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| 03:33.00 | thiago | do you mean to ask how to make kwin use opengl2 for the desktop effects? |
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| 03:43.34 | muesli | factor: system settings -> hardware -> display and monitor -> compositor |
| 03:45.37 | factor | thiago, Thanks for the replay, I think I found a fix. VirtualGL will add a subset of functions to make vnc xorg work remotely with any GL. |
| 03:45.43 | factor | reply even |
| 03:45.54 | factor | BRB will test it |
| 03:46.11 | factor | Would like to use full GL on VNC |
| 03:46.24 | factor | If not will down step the GL version on KDE |
| 03:46.46 | thiago | how to get full GL on VNC is not a KDE question |
| 03:47.02 | thiago | I don't think that's possible, but again, something for you to look into with your VNC vendor and X driver |
| 03:47.14 | thiago | you need the equivalent of OpenGL ES 2 |
| 03:47.28 | thiago | anything less than that and you should just use software rasteriser |
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| 06:38.39 | ping | hi, good morning ! |
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| 07:07.53 | kedarapte | facing issue with Kmail after upgrade to 18.04.01 on KDE Neon |
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| 07:08.36 | kedarapte | org.kde.pim.akonadiserver: exit code: 1 |
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| 07:08.54 | kedarapte | org.kde.pim.akonadiserver: process error: "Unknown error" |
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| 07:09.28 | kedarapte | any one facing any issue with Kmail |
| 07:09.32 | kedarapte | I am on Plasma 5.14 |
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| 07:11.59 | kedarapte | kmail issues on KDE Neon 18.04.01 with plasma 5.14 |
| 07:12.04 | kedarapte | any help? |
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| 11:24.26 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 11:26.40 | gryffus | How can i show a canceled events in Korganizer? The creator of the event has canceled it, not me, and i would like to read text of the invitation again. |
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| 11:30.29 | heliosstyx | #fedora |
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| 12:10.09 | ping | hey |
| 12:10.47 | ping | Is there a way to add shadows to the menus of GTK apps |
| 12:10.50 | ping | ?? |
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| 12:17.51 | rindolf | ping: hi |
| 12:18.19 | rindolf | ping: are there shadows forthem in gnome 3? |
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| 12:28.55 | Smithe | How can I tell to dolphin to not retrieve the thumbnails of the internal files of some folders? |
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| 12:59.04 | kedarapte | I guess you can click on control and click on Configure and change the Preview option |
| 12:59.28 | FLHerne | Wow, the improved startup time in recent Plasma is really noticeable :-) |
| 12:59.35 | kedarapte | also under control, I think you can check on the view properties and play with the preview options |
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| 13:00.11 | ping | FLHerne: I'm waiting for it !!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:00.57 | kedarapte | startup time has reduced. But I also find that it has become a lot more smoother as compared to the 16.04 based Neon |
| 13:01.06 | kedarapte | I am using the 18.04 based Neon. |
| 13:06.32 | ping | with SSDs today the startup times of applications are matters of the past |
| 13:08.22 | kedarapte | agree...even installation times are faster |
| 13:08.28 | ping | yeah |
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| 13:09.12 | ping | I even tweaked some configs of my system to get better results of my ssds |
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| 13:10.33 | kedarapte | Generally for a laptop or a desktop kind of systems, how long should an SSD last? |
| 13:10.36 | alekksander | i thought it's actually needed for better performance/vitality of ssd |
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| 13:11.18 | kedarapte | it depends on thw rite cycles though, but for an average home user I guess, it should last for 2 to 3 years? |
| 13:11.32 | ping | kedarapte: that was for the first ssds |
| 13:11.55 | ping | today the SSDs had very life long periods |
| 13:12.15 | kedarapte | So you mean the new gen SSDs will lst longer? |
| 13:12.20 | ping | I have one Samsung from 7y ago |
| 13:12.32 | ping | np with them |
| 13:12.36 | kedarapte | wow... whats a guesstimate? |
| 13:12.42 | kedarapte | thats a good number I guess |
| 13:12.47 | ping | yea |
| 13:12.53 | alekksander | wait⦠new ssd should last shorter actually |
| 13:12.55 | kedarapte | and it would have cost quite a lot 7 years ago? |
| 13:13.38 | ping | i think that model prize was about 80⬠in that time |
| 13:13.49 | kedarapte | I am keeping my fingers crossed for my 2 year old Transcend SSD |
| 13:13.56 | ping | but I dont remember well |
| 13:14.02 | kedarapte | I hope it does not give up on me soon |
| 13:14.15 | alekksander | also what did You do to optimize it? i know we should add noatime,discard to fstab and also setup different scheduler like Deadline, or noop (was that the name?) |
| 13:14.17 | ping | you will not get any problem |
| 13:14.25 | kedarapte | has anyone been able to get teh Kmail running? |
| 13:14.35 | ping | There's some optimizations |
| 13:15.00 | kedarapte | I keep getting errors on akonadi server, mysql server |
| 13:15.19 | ping | the most important is: not use discard in the fstab and use fstrim once a week, and use noatime or relatime in the fstab |
| 13:15.37 | ping | for the fstrim there's a systemd timer I use |
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| 13:15.52 | kedarapte | Oh ok.. I thought Ubuntu and ubuntu based system do a fstrim thru cron |
| 13:16.07 | ping | cron? |
| 13:16.11 | ping | ubuntu uses cron? |
| 13:16.12 | kedarapte | timed |
| 13:16.27 | ping | I don't think is neccesary with systemd |
| 13:17.00 | ping | cloud you run a "systemctl status fstrim.timer" ?? |
| 13:17.20 | alekksander | ping why do You think we shouldn't use discard in fstab? |
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| 13:18.37 | ping | alekksander: because that option makes the disk discard operation on every deletion for example, which reduces the performance |
| 13:19.01 | ping | using it once a week is enough |
| 13:19.12 | ping | and for that is fstrim |
| 13:19.32 | alekksander | performance? okay, so so what about vitality? |
| 13:19.34 | kedarapte | also I guess it is supported only on ext4 and not on older formats |
| 13:19.39 | kedarapte | or even btrfs |
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| 13:20.53 | Smithe | How can I tell to dolphin to not retrieve the thumbnails of the internal files of some folders? |
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| 13:21.58 | ping | alekksander: that operation executed continuously on every deletion reduce the life |
| 13:22.15 | alekksander | You got me curious. do You folks know any reliable articles about setting up ssd properly? and by the way, all that should be already automatic in modern linux systems |
| 13:22.33 | ping | even RedHat Ent. Linux recommends that >> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/ch02s04.html |
| 13:22.45 | alekksander | it's also wise to move tmps elsewhere than /, right? |
| 13:23.39 | ping | alekksander: that doesn't matter, tmpfs is a virtual fs, not a real one, it doesn't write nothing in the disk |
| 13:25.18 | FLHerne | kedarapte: I don't think SSD lifetime is at all a concern for personal use these days |
| 13:25.18 | kedarapte | Smithe - In Dolphin, you can click on Control menu and then play with preview settings. Also in the Dolphon COnfigure section play with the Preview settings and select file types that should be excluded from the preview |
| 13:25.45 | alekksander | ping: thanks for explaining |
| 13:25.56 | FLHerne | Mine is a 4-year-old, 128GB (i.e. tiny by modern standards) one with over 100 write cycles, and so far no failed blocks |
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| 13:26.05 | alekksander | so what's the best fstab setup for ssd? could You share Yours? |
| 13:26.14 | ping | FLHerne: thats fine |
| 13:26.17 | kedarapte | thats an interesting metric.thanks that helps |
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| 13:27.41 | ping | but there's a thing very nice if you use SSD: change the I/O scheduler from "CFQ" to "Deadline" for that disks |
| 13:28.48 | ping | and use and activate multi-queue scheduler mode in the kernel |
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| 13:29.40 | ping | then you can put the flash based disk in mq-deadline and the other in BFQ i/o scheduler |
| 13:33.06 | alekksander | so if i cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler â [mq-deadline] kyber bfq none |
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| 13:35.44 | ping | alekksander: thats the way |
| 13:35.58 | ping | but firs you must activate it in your kernel |
| 13:36.19 | ping | the mq mode |
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| 14:04.52 | ping | anyone knows if in this version Kwin has solved the problems with the tearing with nvidia cards ?? (I mean without using any workaround) |
| 14:05.28 | jankusanagi_ | "this version" = 5.14? |
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| 14:05.53 | jankusanagi_ | I guess you mean "with Nvidia proprietary driver", in which case, I doubt it |
| 14:06.07 | jankusanagi_ | Nvidia isn't exactly helping things... |
| 14:09.38 | ping | I know nvidia corporation is the house of terror |
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| 14:10.29 | ping | well then I have to keep the workaround using __GL_YIELD="USLEEP" kwin_x11 --replace |
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| 14:13.53 | jankusanagi_ | you could probably export that variable somewhere else to have that automated |
| 14:14.15 | jankusanagi_ | also, I hear Nvidia's "control panel" provides options to deal with these things |
| 14:14.58 | ping | jankusanagi_: using that variable globally is a problem for gaming or other programs |
| 14:15.08 | ping | reduces a lot the performance |
| 14:15.36 | ping | that's why use it only with kwin which is the only that had the problem |
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| 14:19.40 | JanKusanagi | (also for the record, I just said "I doubt it"... nouveau user here) |
| 14:20.28 | ping | why? |
| 14:20.48 | JanKusanagi | why what? |
| 14:20.57 | ping | why doubt? |
| 14:21.14 | JanKusanagi | because Nvidia isn't helping |
| 14:21.20 | redeyedman | ping, I disable compositing and effects when playing so you can do like me :) |
| 14:21.27 | JanKusanagi | so I doubt they've been helping these last 3 months |
| 14:23.20 | ping | redeyedman: I do that too, but using that I dont have tearing on anything like firefox or video |
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| 18:51.59 | kinghat | how do you make dolphin only search locally and not mounts/shares? |
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| 18:52.31 | kinghat | also, more search tools is not active for me: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xJwM3bHw/image.png |
| 18:53.28 | ngraham | kinghat: Add the paths to the mounts/shares to the exclusions list in System Settings > Search > File Search |
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| 18:54.39 | kinghat | is there a way to select that at search time? |
| 18:54.53 | ngraham | no |
| 18:55.00 | kinghat | np. thanks for the tip. |
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| 18:55.08 | kinghat | just the tip. :P |
| 18:55.10 | ngraham | no problemo |
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| 20:58.50 | moosnat | Is this channel logged? |
| 21:04.42 | ngraham | good question for Fuchs_ |
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| 22:01.53 | JanKusanagi | I imagine the question is not about privacy... because then, assume that it is xD |
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| 22:10.38 | moosnat | It is not about privacy |
| 22:10.56 | moosnat | I asked a question a while ago, then had to leave, and wanted to see if anyone replied |
| 22:11.47 | ngraham | no, it is not logged in that way. Only people with bouncers see messages sent while they were not online |
| 22:11.58 | moosnat | Ahh, thanks ngraham |
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| 22:17.00 | moosnat | submitted my first kde bug today, hoping to start there with contributions |
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| 22:25.05 | JanKusanagi | \o/ |
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