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| 05:01.52 | ikarosuusi | my kde turned on an auto-update? |
| 05:01.54 | ikarosuusi | wtf? |
| 05:02.05 | ikarosuusi | this a recent change? |
| 05:06.14 | ikarosuusi | my notification says "38 updates available" "37 updates.." "36 updates.." until it reaches 0 |
| 05:06.30 | ikarosuusi | and I never told it to update |
| 05:07.09 | ikarosuusi | so it find all these updates and one by one discards them from the list of available updates or does it actually fucking install them without asking? |
| 05:10.35 | ikarosuusi | yeah I'm pretty sure it just installed shit because my youtube player started blinking like hell during and after the process |
| 05:10.43 | ikarosuusi | so what the actual fuck is going on here? |
| 05:15.47 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: I doubt that has anything to do with kde at all, as updates are typically managed by the package manager your distribution provides |
| 05:16.11 | ikarosuusi | Oh you're saying the "Discover" doesn't have anything to do with KDE? |
| 05:16.15 | ikarosuusi | Except that KDE ships with it |
| 05:16.23 | ikarosuusi | And it's automatically turned on |
| 05:16.31 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: I have no idea what that is and I've been using kde for a decade |
| 05:16.58 | ikarosuusi | Well maybe you should give a fresh install a go or something because I for definite didn't install any "Discover" |
| 05:17.13 | ikarosuusi | It's not even remotely appealing to me, I just accepted it as part of my desktop environment |
| 05:17.15 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: nope, I have nothing called discover |
| 05:17.48 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: perhaps go ask in your distro's channel |
| 05:18.09 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: in fact, my package manager doesn't list anything by that name that seems even remotely related to what you're talking about |
| 05:18.43 | ikarosuusi | https://userbase.kde.org/Discover |
| 05:18.58 | ikarosuusi | get up to speed before you start shouting out blatant nonsense |
| 05:21.09 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: yep, never seen this before, and apparently my distro doesn't have it. plus, like I said before, it's a wrapper around your distro's package manager |
| 05:21.45 | ikarosuusi | yeah I don't give a flying fuck if it's a magic carpet or a virtual moose if it just automatically starts to install shit I didn't tell it to |
| 05:22.28 | ikarosuusi | now "Removing plasma-discover (5.13.5-1) ..." solves the problem |
| 05:22.40 | ikarosuusi | but it's a major issue none the less |
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| 05:41.35 | Kon- | ikarosuusi: Discover only acts as a graphical front-end for your package manager. What distro are you on? |
| 05:45.34 | ikarosuusi | Are you discover developer? |
| 05:45.35 | ikarosuusi | Debian |
| 05:45.43 | Kon- | No I'm not |
| 05:46.05 | ikarosuusi | Anyway what the fuck does it have to do with anything if it acts as a monkey or a donut? |
| 05:46.21 | ikarosuusi | If it installs a program, then it does that, if it didn't ask me first, then it's a problem. |
| 05:46.45 | Kon- | "Graphical front-end" means it doesn't do anything apt doesn't tell it to do |
| 05:46.47 | ikarosuusi | It really really doesn't matter at all how it does that, what matters is that it's against my policy, and I'm pretty sure most of the people agree. |
| 05:47.24 | ikarosuusi | You could just as well say "Discover is just a program that downloads software and installs it" |
| 05:47.40 | ikarosuusi | Or you could say "Discover is an app that just runs commands on your computer" |
| 05:47.54 | ikarosuusi | That has absolutely nothing to do with the problem at hand. |
| 05:48.21 | ikarosuusi | And BTW discover never asked for user password to begin with. |
| 05:48.36 | Kon- | I'm telling you your Apt settings are doing the automatic updates, not any KDE software |
| 05:48.42 | Kon- | The good news is you can change it |
| 05:48.48 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah that's what I was trying to say as well |
| 05:48.57 | ikarosuusi | Yeah im pretty sure they're not |
| 05:49.10 | Triffid_Hunter | ikarosuusi: discover is just telling you what apt is doing anyway. removing discover takes the notification away but not the automatic updates |
| 05:51.02 | Kon- | ikarosuusi: Go to Discover -> Settings. Click on the icon with 3 bars next to the big name Debian, and then click Software Sources |
| 05:52.00 | Kon- | Then click on the Updates tab, and under the heading "Automatic Updates," make sure to choose "Only notify about available updates" |
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| 05:53.32 | ikarosuusi | I already removed Discover |
| 05:54.35 | Kon- | ikarosuusi: And your problem is with Debian, not KDE. Please consider "unattended upgrades" is the default in Debian. https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades |
| 05:54.54 | Kon- | Removing Discover will not change the system behavior. It will only remove the notification of the behavior |
| 05:55.46 | Kon- | Removing Discover means all your updates and software installations will have to be managed from the command line |
| 05:57.12 | ikarosuusi | yeah that's not really an issue |
| 05:57.26 | ikarosuusi | but I don't even have unattended-upgrade installed |
| 05:57.30 | ikarosuusi | so how does it do it then? |
| 05:59.49 | Kon- | It's the default in Debian 9, and I'm not sure removing that package does anything if you don't also change the config files. But this isn't Debian support |
| 06:01.55 | Kon- | The easiest way to change the setting would be through the Dolphin GUI |
| 06:02.12 | Kon- | Erm, Discover GUI |
| 06:07.13 | ikarosuusi | Yeah I tried but didn't actually find anything there |
| 06:07.34 | ikarosuusi | Like really sorry-ass settings.. nothing to change except checkboxes for the repos |
| 06:08.16 | ikarosuusi | I looked in the config files and changed couple of lines that could actually maybe do something |
| 06:09.09 | Kon- | Please refer to my step-by-step instructions above. Those "sorry-ass" checkboxes for the repos are exactly what you need |
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| 06:29.57 | ikarosuusi | Thanks for your concern. I'm stunned that debian has automatic updates as default behavior. |
| 06:30.08 | ikarosuusi | I edited the config files. |
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| 06:49.24 | Kon- | ikarosuusi: You're welcome. Please consider almost all the support for Linux is provided by volunteers, and you'll get more, higher quality help if you don't arrive flinging curses at people. In this case, KDE software wasn't even to blame. |
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| 10:36.02 | pa | 1) it basically takes the whole bar |
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| 10:37.49 | pa | that is |
| 10:37.50 | pa | nice |
| 10:39.01 | pa | although im not sure what is the "cache" it shows |
| 10:39.08 | pa | free says buff/cache 13gb |
| 10:39.13 | pa | and that thing shows nothing |
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| 17:20.38 | maferv | Hi, I need to change the fonts DPI from cli, I do: kwriteconfig --file ~/.config/kcmfonts --group "General" --key "forceFontDPI" "96" but then I need to open the Fonts configuration program for it to take effect. Is there a way to automatize this with qdbus ...... reconfigure or something like that? I'm a bit of a noob to KDE. I'm using KDE Plasma 5.13.5, KDE Frameworks Version 5.49.0 |
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| 18:59.18 | oprypin | maferv, FWIW the actual config is in ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf |
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| 19:25.12 | rdieter | pretty sure that config won't apply to already-running applications, only those started after making the change |
| 19:25.37 | rdieter | (kde applications can be an exception to that) |
| 19:29.57 | pepo | the DPI value probably needs to be written to the X resource database xrdb |
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| 19:33.50 | pepo | maferv, check the startkde script how the initial DPI values are applied to xrdb |
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| 19:36.01 | oprypin | no it's very simple, you just edit ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf and restart any applications |
| 19:36.38 | oprypin | ~/.config/kcmfonts is just config of the wrapper so it doesnt need to read fontconfig, only write it, i guess |
| 19:36.38 | apt | okay, oprypin |
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| 19:39.28 | oprypin | actually forget all i said. it's all wrong |
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| 19:39.41 | oprypin | maybe pepo is right |
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| 22:09.51 | mobile_c | is konversation supported on windows |
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| 22:11.45 | mobile_c | also are kde downloads on windows unstable on all internet browsers or just on edge (eg downloads completing partially almost always resulting in corupted downloads) |
| 22:12.07 | nicofee | mobile_c (IRC): There is a build on https://binary-factory.kde.org/view/Windows%2032-bit/job/Konversation_Nightly_win32/ |
| 22:12.28 | nicofee | But you have to see for yourself if it's actually usable |
| 22:13.07 | mobile_c | also https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/konversation-stable-win32/ is down |
| 22:13.15 | mobile_c | Problem accessing /job/konversation-stable-win32/. Reason: |
| 22:13.17 | mobile_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.29 | mobile_c | also all downloads from https://binary-factory.kde.org/ in particular are unstable on windows microsoft edge (have not tested on other browsers) |
| 22:15.55 | mobile_c | it appears to download stably on firefox linux tho |
| 22:16.12 | mobile_c | nvm just fails |
| 22:16.15 | mobile_c | failed* |
| 22:17.32 | mobile_c | -rw------- 1 mobile_c mobile_c 17M Nov 3 08:15 konversation-1.7.5-228-windows-msvc2017_32-cl.exe.part |
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| 22:18.48 | mobile_c | tries again |
| 22:18.58 | mobile_c | failed |
| 22:19.15 | mobile_c | -rw------- 1 mobile_c mobile_c 30M Nov 3 08:18 'konversation-1.7.5-228-windows-msvc2017_32-cl(1).exe.part' |
| 22:19.38 | mobile_c | welp luckily firefox just resumes downloading from were it failed |
| 22:20.01 | mobile_c | so if i keep trying i should get the full file lol |
| 22:20.33 | mobile_c | and it is downloaded fully with 2 failed downloads |
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