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| 10:10.44 | efloid | i set scale factor for plasma wayland to 2 which caused everything to be really huge. i cannot access the part of the config window to change it back to 1 |
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| 10:24.48 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 12:07.04 | madprops | Does KDE remember desktop/monitor/open_applications layout automatically or do i have to setup something? |
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| 12:25.54 | BluesKaj | madprops, please explain exactly what you are trying to do |
| 12:28.02 | madprops | BluesKaj, I want to never have to organize my window positions, on each monitor, desktop, etc. I want them to be ready after each boot. Though i will try to put it to sleep as much as i can |
| 12:30.33 | BluesKaj | madprops, suggest you check out activities and/or virtual desktops in system settings>workspace>desktop behavior |
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| 12:33.12 | madprops | I see there's a Default activity, and I can create more. Not sure if the Default would remember current layout. Or if I have to create one everytime I change the layout |
| 12:33.29 | BluesKaj | there are kde/plasma tutorials on the internet http://www.ocsmag.com/2017/03/16/how-plasma-activities-save-the-desktop/ |
| 12:33.55 | BluesKaj | madprops,^ |
| 12:34.13 | BluesKaj | activities can be saved of course |
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| 13:21.15 | asturm | top user list in this channel looks a bit odd... |
| 13:22.03 | asturm | alpha-numerically sorted, that is |
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| 15:02.30 | madprops | hmm can't seem to find a way to have a minimalist pager |
| 15:02.39 | madprops | i just need like 4 squares, and active one highlighted |
| 15:02.58 | madprops | but it shows window previews and looks messy |
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| 15:09.59 | madprops | ok limiting it to a single monitor looks better |
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| 15:17.42 | BluesKaj | madprops,try a combination of Virtualdesktops on each actitvity |
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| 15:40.37 | inkbottle | kmail (gmail) "Failed to transport message. Server error": How can I have more information about this error? |
| 15:41.13 | inkbottle | I now have only the error message above |
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| 16:54.02 | PureTryOut-M | Hey guys, while packaging the majority of KDE Frameworks, I found out the LICENSE and COPYING files present in the root of each package source isn't representative at all of what the code is actually licensed at according to the license notice in each source file. Are there plans on fixing this? |
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| 16:55.08 | asturm | PureTryOut-M: re our previous conversation: your distro has reverted changes in kwin that require logind for libinput in wayland |
| 16:55.37 | PureTryOut-M | Our previous conversation when? Yeah I figured that, I have a MR open to resolve that |
| 16:56.03 | asturm | PureTryOut-M: in #gentoo-kde |
| 16:56.13 | PureTryOut-M | Oh, yeah, now I remember |
| 16:56.27 | PureTryOut-M | I did figure that out quickly after our conversation there lol |
| 16:57.08 | asturm | either way, elogind works pretty well for us |
| 16:57.37 | PureTryOut-M | Anyways, on to this "issue". When a distro wants to package KDE they now basically have to go through each source file for each package, check the license notice at the top and change their distro packaging build scripts accordingly. That is _lots_ of work |
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| 17:01.07 | thiago | that shoudln't be required |
| 17:01.21 | thiago | are files being added with more restrictive licences? |
| 17:01.27 | thiago | GPL code in LGPL libraries? |
| 17:01.52 | PureTryOut-M | Doesn't seem like it |
| 17:01.58 | thiago | then what? |
| 17:02.45 | thiago | adding *less* restrictive code to existing code is not a problem |
| 17:03.04 | PureTryOut-M | But as an example. `ki18n` is licensed as LGPL-2.1 according to the license file. However, checking the actual source code, it's actually licensed as "LGPL-2.0-or-later AND (LGPL-2.1-only OR LPGL-3.0-or-later)" (using SPDX identifiers here) |
| 17:03.26 | thiago | ok, so no conflict |
| 17:03.45 | PureTryOut-M | I'm not saying KDE is not following the licenses, just that the LICENSE files in the root of the repos aren't representitive of the actual used licenses |
| 17:03.55 | thiago | nor should they be |
| 17:04.01 | thiago | so long as it's not misleading |
| 17:04.20 | PureTryOut-M | Huh? |
| 17:04.21 | thiago | it has to be representative of the terms for the entirety of the source code |
| 17:04.46 | thiago | if some files have extra permissions, it's not a problem |
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| 17:06.04 | PureTryOut-M | But often it isn't. Some people might now use code as (for example) LGPL-3.0 while the license file says it can only be used as LGPL-2.0 |
| 17:07.49 | thiago | might use code, how? |
| 17:09.59 | thiago | if they are copying code into their projects, they are reading the copyright headers in each file |
| 17:10.13 | thiago | if they are linking to the library, then the overall licence applies. That's why that can't be misleading (telling a lie). |
| 17:13.35 | PureTryOut-M | Hmm, so the copyright headers basically don't apply when linking to the library, e.g. what distros do? |
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| 17:21.08 | thiago | what *really* applies is the combination of all source code that was placed into that library |
| 17:21.27 | thiago | that's supposed to be what the LICENSE or COPYING files tell you |
| 17:21.43 | thiago | if individual files have more permissions, that's not relevant. Only the combination is. |
| 17:22.52 | PureTryOut-M | Do you mind me posting part of this conversation in a public Github pull request conversation? |
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| 17:23.56 | thiago | no problem |
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| 17:24.17 | thiago | again, so long as the LICENSE or COPYING files are not lying. If they say that licence X applies, it must. |
| 17:24.41 | thiago | it's possible that another licence Y also applies, if you study all files linked into that library. That's ok not to be reported. |
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| 17:26.00 | thiago | one more thing: all KDE libraries must be useable by GPLv2.0 and by GPLv3 code. And they mustn't be stricted than LGPLv2.1. |
| 17:26.21 | thiago | LGPLv2.0 is usually a copy & paste mistake; 2.1 is what we want |
| 17:27.25 | thiago | one more: all code must at least one form of "or later" |
| 17:29.25 | PureTryOut-M | It's still a bit confusing tbh. I posted part of this chat in this PR https://github.com/alpinelinux/aports/pull/7992#issuecomment-495930747 |
| 17:31.15 | thiago | alpine makes it more confusing by removing files |
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| 17:31.23 | thiago | self-inflicted wound |
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| 17:36.16 | PureTryOut-M | Removing files? |
| 17:36.35 | PureTryOut-M | Not in the case of KDE as far as I know |
| 17:36.54 | thiago | probably not |
| 17:38.26 | PureTryOut-M | So let's take an example with Kirigami2. The copyright headers in the source itself talk about LGPL-2.0-or-later, but the LICENSE file talks about LGPL-2.0-only. Does this mean distros have to mark it as LGPL-2.0-only? |
| 17:38.44 | thiago | they should |
| 17:38.59 | thiago | but I think kirigami should fix itself too |
| 17:40.08 | thiago | it's not the distro's job to doubt the licences from the authors, but if you do catch a mistake, please report |
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| 18:17.12 | magic_ninja | Why would some apps not have an icon for their system tray? |
| 18:17.25 | magic_ninja | I've seen it with clementine when I have not played a song yet and with overgrive system tray. |
| 18:18.01 | asturm | what is overgrive |
| 18:18.08 | asturm | and what version of clementine is it? |
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| 18:21.43 | magic_ninja | 1.3.1 clementine |
| 18:22.11 | magic_ninja | overgrive is just a google-drive client, but it is closed-source. |
| 18:22.46 | asturm | if it is really 1.3.1 release version then it is still Qt4 based |
| 18:23.52 | asturm | you'll probably need xembed-sni-proxy for that to work |
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| 18:33.53 | magic_ninja | what is the current version? |
| 18:34.14 | asturm | clementine upstream have not released any new version in years |
| 18:34.23 | magic_ninja | And thanks for the update. I just looked again, as well. There is an overgrive tray icon, but it is grayed out. I'll update when I figure that out. |
| 18:34.27 | asturm | distros are packaging a snapshot, if not the old qt4 version |
| 18:34.52 | magic_ninja | What is the new good media player. amarok is defunct, the included media player isn't all that great. |
| 18:35.01 | asturm | included? |
| 18:35.13 | magic_ninja | juk |
| 18:35.21 | magic_ninja | I'm guess that is part of the kde applications. |
| 18:35.30 | asturm | well, that is very basic. I like to use cantata |
| 18:35.41 | magic_ninja | juk was kinda buggy |
| 18:37.31 | magic_ninja | I'll give it a shot |
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| 20:15.25 | magic_ninja | is there a reason I can't change my default mail client from kmail to thunderbird? |
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| 20:17.39 | mamonetti | hi |
| 20:18.54 | mamonetti | i've noticed i have a huge amount of "expired.ics-XXX" files in 3 folders "~/.local/share/akonadi_kalarm_resource_XX" consuming hundreds of thousands of inodes |
| 20:19.26 | mamonetti | can i delete all these files? i tried to uninstall kalarm but the directories are still there |
| 20:20.28 | mamonetti | by the way, i'm using kubuntu 18.04 |
| 20:21.46 | magic_ninja | hey, I found the solution. I copied the start command from the start menu into the default applications box and it worked. |
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| 20:26.12 | madprops | I think KDE is mapping my top/side buttons to switching desktops. Which is GOOD. But I'm wondering where this can be configured, to check if I can map other mouse buttons |
| 20:30.35 | madprops | oh wait |
| 20:30.49 | madprops | i think switching desktops work because i programmed this mouse on windows to a certain shortcut |
| 20:30.58 | madprops | keyboard shortcut* |
| 20:31.07 | madprops | hmm |
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| 22:19.51 | magic_ninja | is it normal for my volume keys to intermittently quit working in kde? |
| 22:21.28 | asturm | can't confirm that behaviour |
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| 22:23.01 | asturm | but I've never used plasma-pa, only kmix |
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| 22:44.41 | magic_ninja | kmix doesn't crash but restarting kmix fixes it |
| 22:45.11 | magic_ninja | Yea, I found kmix to be much better as well |
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