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| 00:00.20 | JanKusanagi | can't you just set it to start with an empty session? |
| 00:00.32 | wylel | I mean I can |
| 00:00.40 | wylel | but thats the only app I dont want to start? |
| 00:00.49 | hedgie_lappy | can't you manually save a session? |
| 00:00.56 | JanKusanagi | ah, so you have a use for session restore, except for that |
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| 00:01.39 | wylel | correct |
| 00:01.54 | wylel | you can save a manual session, but I only see how I can set it to do that, not actually save the manual session |
| 00:02.12 | JanKusanagi | I don't know the GUI way of manually saving a session, but you can ask KSMserver to do that via D-Bus |
| 00:02.51 | JanKusanagi | "qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer saveCurrentSession" should work |
| 00:03.23 | JanKusanagi | the GUI way might be a long press in the logout button or something, IDK |
| 00:04.14 | hedgie_lappy | https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Startup_and_Shutdown |
| 00:04.22 | hedgie_lappy | or just googling it ;) |
| 00:05.06 | wylel | lol thats the page I just got to |
| 00:05.07 | wylel | haha |
| 00:06.00 | wylel | thanks hedgie_lappy |
| 00:07.25 | JanKusanagi | death before "googling" xD |
| 00:07.28 | JanKusanagi | ducking it, maybe |
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| 00:48.12 | hedgie | np |
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| 00:51.30 | wylel | def ducking it |
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| 01:02.32 | hedgie | I'm google free for everything. I still use it as a verb, though |
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| 01:06.11 | wylel | im almost there, still have a Google Fi Pixel 2 XL |
| 01:06.20 | wylel | thinking of switching to Mint |
| 01:07.36 | hedgie | mint from what? |
| 01:08.51 | wylel | its a cell service, Mint is the name |
| 01:08.57 | hedgie | oh. derp |
| 01:08.59 | wylel | and when I do that, switch to Lineage OS |
| 01:09.18 | wylel | doesnt really make sense to do that now because I would still have to install Google Services and Google Fi app |
| 01:09.24 | hedgie | nice. it's actually kinda sad that the only phones left are $giggle or $fruitco |
| 01:09.48 | wylel | well, Samsung, which is pretty much in both if you want to get technical |
| 01:10.03 | wylel | but forget samsung anyways |
| 01:10.13 | wylel | the Pixel 2 is LG |
| 01:10.14 | hedgie | I was referring to the OS, not the hw manufacturer. |
| 01:10.19 | wylel | ohhhh |
| 01:10.21 | wylel | yeah true |
| 01:10.28 | wylel | I mean, Plasma Mobile |
| 01:10.29 | wylel | duh |
| 01:11.22 | wylel | I have a feeling, with this big privacy push everyone is on, that more will start to pop up |
| 01:11.41 | wylel | whether they are good or not, only time will tell |
| 01:12.32 | hedgie | probably just forks of android stripped of anything google. which isn't a bad thing, except for the app ecosystem. that's what killed $redmondco in the mobile market |
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| 01:14.09 | wylel | Yeah, im hoping something big comes, even if it is a fork of android, that just takes off and has its own store that devs can also post to |
| 01:14.16 | wylel | it has to be a big hit though |
| 01:15.28 | JanKusanagi | I quite dislike using commercial brands as verbs |
| 01:15.49 | JanKusanagi | or as synonims for other "stuff that's the same as the famous one" |
| 01:16.28 | hedgie | that's the problem. even though linux has an excellent app ecosystem, and workstation-grade DEs like kde, its install base still doesn't attract the kind of developers that make shit like actual photoshop, or games |
| 01:16.32 | wylel | I take it you just say "searched for" JanKusanagi ? |
| 01:16.39 | JanKusanagi | yes xD |
| 01:16.54 | wylel | lol I mean nothing wrong with that |
| 01:17.09 | wylel | nothing wrong with either honestly, for me atleast |
| 01:17.10 | JanKusanagi | no need for new ridiculous copyrighted verbs =) |
| 01:17.15 | wylel | and yeah I agree hedgie |
| 01:17.27 | wylel | the biggest issue for me to swap over to Linux from Windows was gaming |
| 01:17.39 | wylel | which is easy now, but hasnt always been |
| 01:17.45 | hedgie | I believe that xerox, q-tip and kleenex all lost part of their trademark protection for the word becoming generic |
| 01:17.58 | wylel | ive used Linux for 10+ years for home servers and web/app servers |
| 01:18.37 | hedgie | TBH, I bought a $fruitbox a week ago because I need adobe shite to run as reliably as crap software possibly can |
| 01:19.06 | wylel | I put Kubuntu on mine |
| 01:19.10 | wylel | but I didnt buy it :P |
| 01:19.10 | hedgie | now, there are just problems getting KDE up and running for my x sessions |
| 01:19.38 | wylel | what you dont like GIMP? |
| 01:19.42 | wylel | xD |
| 01:20.06 | hedgie | I'll say that its name isn't false advertising. I've been using krita even though it wasn't designed for that |
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| 01:20.47 | wylel | how do you like Krita? |
| 01:21.40 | wylel | also, what would your thoughts be on Adobe bringing their apps to Linux, natively |
| 01:21.48 | hedgie | love it. excellent interface, a context-menu that's actually useful, support for things like high-bit depth. total brush control. it's brilliant. also, no fun without a wacom tablet |
| 01:22.00 | wylel | are you a Linux kindof of person or a GNU/Linux kind? |
| 01:22.41 | hedgie | I use what works for me. main pc is a mac, and the laptop is opensuse tumbleweed and windows for gaming |
| 01:23.37 | wylel | I have been gaming on Linux (Proton/Lutris of course for most) and the only issue I have with it is not being able to run games I bought that run Easy Anti Cheat, I kept a 128GB partition on my SSD though for Windows if I really want it |
| 01:24.17 | hedgie | most of my games run under wine, which is why it was one of the first things I installed on the mac |
| 01:24.44 | wylel | yeah same here, I mean the ones that require EAC is like 3 games |
| 01:24.54 | wylel | and I can honestly live without them, hence I havent even dual booted yet |
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| 02:32.56 | White_Light | is kate/kwrite actively maintained? |
| 02:34.24 | JanKusanagi | sure |
| 02:38.06 | valorie | kde is a community |
| 02:39.01 | valorie | oops, very late response |
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| 02:44.27 | JanKusanagi | xD |
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| 03:30.26 | wylel | I say that and then my internet goes out |
| 03:30.41 | wylel | it seems that saving the session in Plasma will not save Discord and Steam being open |
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| 03:34.07 | JanKusanagi | not surprised those proprietary things don't have session support |
| 03:34.25 | wylel | true |
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| 03:44.48 | hedgie | yeah. screw proprietary stuff ;) |
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| 05:37.11 | hagabaka | since updating recently, I have a problem where whenever I open the font configuration window, it adds rules in ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf to disable antialiasing for 0pt to 99pt, bascially disabling it altogether |
| 05:37.38 | hagabaka | it happens as soon as I open the window, even if I don't change any settings |
| 05:44.29 | hagabaka | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409374 |
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| 05:50.39 | wylel | Is this the latest version of Plasma? |
| 05:50.55 | wylel | answered my own question |
| 05:51.03 | Arlas-M | which one ? |
| 05:53.03 | wylel | hagabaka: hmm, I dont have that issue, running 5.16.3 |
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| 05:54.23 | wylel | I wonder what is different |
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| 06:45.09 | ranger | In the botom panel, can I make the current time smaller? |
| 06:45.38 | ranger | Currently its bold and sligtly bigger than rest of the icons and text |
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| 06:50.04 | hedgie | you can probably right-click and open the settings for the clock widget |
| 06:50.42 | ranger | Yes but there is no size option |
| 06:50.50 | ranger | I can change the fonts |
| 06:54.22 | hedgie | ooh. I forgot that I have a vm that I can fire up to take a look |
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| 06:58.18 | hedgie | sighs |
| 06:58.30 | hedgie | only thing I found is just shrinking the height of the bar |
| 06:59.19 | ranger | rofi |
| 06:59.23 | hedgie | even then, it's bigger than the other text |
| 06:59.51 | ranger | Sorry i meant to type that somewhere else |
| 06:59.52 | hedgie | there's always removing the clock from the panel, and putting a clock on the desktop, where it can be resized via the gui |
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| 07:05.45 | guruprasad | I have a custom .desktop file for launching a separate profile of Firefox with an icon different from the default Firefox icon. When I search for the application it shows the correct custom icon, however in the dock (latte) and the alt-tab switcher it still shows the default icon. Is this expected? If not, how can I fix it? |
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| 07:07.35 | guruprasad | This is often confusing because it shows the same icon for the normal Firefox as well. I have used the '--class' flag and 'StartupWMClass' to distinguish both the .desktop files. |
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| 07:14.32 | murthy | is someone working on this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407390 |
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| 07:40.59 | Novell | so, anyone know how to change the default favorites in kicker/kickoff for all/new users? I've added kactivitymanagerd-statsrc and kactivitymanagerdrc config files so that the UUID for the activity and the favorites for that is listed, both for the UUID and global, but it just results in empty favorites in the menu |
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| 08:00.16 | murthy | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407390, could be due to dos unix line ending conflict |
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| 08:02.19 | Novell | ok, so after grep'ing the whole filesystem, I found the file /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kicker/contents/config/main.xml which have a default list, but surely there must be a config file where this can be changed? Or am I supposed to replace that file with one that have my selected list of favorites? :| |
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| 08:20.17 | user445123 | Hi |
| 08:21.33 | PlasmaHH | hi, after a few weeks (sometimes even after a couple of days) my konsole (and kparts) lose the ability to copy from (neither just seelcting nor any key combo/menu) ... new started konsoles work then... what could be the reason, and how could I restore the functionality? I don't want to always restart everything in those cases... |
| 08:22.23 | user445123 | I've decided to start contributing to open source applications. Can anyone point me to a simple issue that can be fixed by an absolute beginner |
| 08:24.45 | Novell | oh and modifying that file didn't do anything at all (resulted in empty favorites again) and I'm guessing it's because I need to add a default plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc file anyway for the user to get the correct menu (kicker instead of kickoff), date format and other settings.. So, pretty much back to the original question, how to change the default favorites and default plasma settings for all |
| 08:24.51 | Novell | user? |
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| 08:48.56 | enger-M | Hello. I'm running arch linux with kde plasma-desktop and kde connect, but computer and android phone don't see each other. How can I fix it? |
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| 08:51.16 | [Enrico] | enger-M: do you have a firewall on the computer? Are the devices both connected to the same network? Does this network allow traffic on the port required by kde connect? |
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| 08:59.53 | enger-M | i used these commands for firewall |
| 08:59.55 | enger-M | uploaded an image: image.png (4KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sgnEseSkxUkzEYHtgIwBMQbC > |
| 09:00.09 | enger-M | and yes, they are connected to the same network |
| 09:00.47 | enger-M | what do you mean by "Does this network allow traffic on the port required by kde connect?"? Can this be disabled in router config? |
| 09:02.50 | [Enrico] | enger-M: sure, communications between two devices on the same network can be disallowed. Just because you are connected to the same network it doesn't mean they can communicate. Normally home router will allow communications, but it depends |
| 09:03.36 | [Enrico] | enger-M: those firewall commands might or might not work depending on the other rules in the firewall |
| 09:04.11 | [Enrico] | enger-M: I suggest, just for the sake of testing, to disable the firewall. This is not to say you should not have a firewall running, you totally should. This is to understand if the firewall is the problem or not |
| 09:05.25 | enger-M | ok |
| 09:05.49 | [Enrico] | enger-M: I mean the firewall on your arch linux, just to be clear :) |
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| 09:08.15 | enger-M | I know |
| 09:08.41 | oneforall2 | whats the easy way to dload kde comparable to mc(ftp) suck no ftp now :( |
| 09:09.30 | enger-M | i stopped firewalld service and nothing changed |
| 09:09.49 | enger-M | also I have AFWall+ on my phone but disabled firewall too |
| 09:10.37 | oneforall2 | ah some mirrors look like they have ftp will test |
| 09:11.10 | [Enrico] | enger-M: mhm sounds like your router / AP might be blocking? |
| 09:12.17 | [Enrico] | enger-M: to double check: if you run lsof -i -P -n | grep kde you should see kdeconnect service listening on your computer, like this https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/eueeq-9WOtTKPieCC33o6g |
| 09:13.53 | oneforall2 | hm looks like it juast kde4 on those |
| 09:14.34 | [Enrico] | kde4?! |
| 09:14.40 | [Enrico] | that's a bit outdated |
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| 09:17.15 | enger-M | hmm i don't have lsof |
| 09:17.39 | enger-M | let me install it |
| 09:18.10 | enger-M | uploaded an image: image.png (23KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/edaJMBgzrmjLiLBkmudQtMBN > |
| 09:18.11 | enger-M | i have it |
| 09:20.06 | [Enrico] | enger-M: cool, it's there. It really sounds like the packet from the phone is not reaching your computer. As an ultimate test you can try a tcpdump on port 1716, try to refresh the device list on the phone and check if tcpdump gets any packet. |
| 09:20.16 | [Enrico] | if it doesn't it's blocked / list in the middle |
| 09:20.27 | [Enrico] | assuming you have nothing on the phone that blocks it |
| 09:20.34 | [Enrico] | (e.g. android permissions) |
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| 09:25.38 | enger-M | nothing here |
| 09:25.45 | enger-M | but |
| 09:26.49 | enger-M | I have computer connected to router, which is connected to another router, which is connected to another router (3 of them), which is connected to antenna |
| 09:27.10 | enger-M | and wifi only from third router (the one connected to antenna) |
| 09:27.44 | enger-M | is this why they don't see each other or could it be blocked in full home network? |
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| 09:49.42 | rindolf | oneforall2: are you trying to download the sources? |
| 09:51.55 | rindolf | oneforall2: maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV |
| 09:59.14 | rindolf | oneforall2: ping |
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| 10:28.10 | ychaouche | Hello #kde |
| 10:29.50 | ychaouche | I used to use this line to zoom the desktop with the mouse wheel : "qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel /component/kwin invokeShortcut view_zoom_in" |
| 10:29.50 | ychaouche | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.03 | ychaouche | unfortunately after I switched to a more recent version of KDE this line doesn't work anymore |
| 10:30.11 | ychaouche | it was put in .xbindkeysrc |
| 10:30.31 | ychaouche | I switched from linux mint to netrunner |
| 10:30.42 | ychaouche | but kept my /home partition around |
| 10:31.09 | ychaouche | I checked that qdbus is available in the new distro, under the same name |
| 10:31.30 | ychaouche | something to notice is that qdbus org.kde.kglobalaccel /component/kwin throws an error : |
| 10:31.42 | ychaouche | Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject |
| 10:31.42 | ychaouche | No such object path '/component/kwin |
| 10:31.51 | ychaouche | maybe this has changed ? |
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| 10:33.41 | einar77_work | ychaouche: check if you have qdbus and qdbus-qt5 or similarly named utils |
| 10:33.57 | ychaouche | <ychaouche> I checked that qdbus is available in the new distro, under the same name |
| 10:34.38 | ychaouche | it is a link to /usr/bin/qtchooser |
| 10:34.50 | ychaouche | I don't have qdbus-qt5 though |
| 10:35.46 | ychaouche | oh wait, xbindkeys isn't installed |
| 10:36.45 | ychaouche | oh ! good :) now it works |
| 10:36.51 | ychaouche | I just needed to install xbindkeys and run it |
| 10:36.55 | ychaouche | now it works just fine :) |
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| 12:13.25 | Novell | Ok, so regarding this favorites-issue I'm having.. How do I prevent kicker from doing some ResultSet-crap against some "useless" database instead of just using whatever I specify in the config file as being the favorites? |
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| 15:33.08 | oneforall2 | Fatal Python error: PyQt5.QtCore: Unable to embed qt.conf kitemmodels-5.60.0/ any idea ? bad sip compile or kite needing a patch ? |
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| 16:05.41 | oneforall2 | NV |
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| 16:34.32 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.16 and KDE Applications 19.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
| 16:35.26 | dmorx | I guess I would have to install some Keepass extension for it to work with my browser, huh? |
| 16:35.51 | achillion | I usually copy/paste or use the autotype feature. |
| 16:36.48 | dmorx | Why? |
| 16:36.50 | achillion | Keepass doesn't need to be unlocked that often, since most websites are also stored in the browser pw store. But if I wipe the browser pw store, I can always recover from keepass. Also important passwords (email, work) don't go into the browser store. |
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| 16:38.52 | dmorx | Thanks so much for the pointers, I'll check them out :) |
| 16:39.17 | dmorx | How is SyncThing involved? |
| 16:39.19 | achillion | To be clear, this is not a recommendation :P It's just how I do it (since you asked) :) |
| 16:39.33 | achillion | Oh, syncthing is for synchronising my keepass database across computers (and phone) |
| 16:40.14 | dmorx | If two computers were offline for a while and have accumulated new passwords, does it end up in a merge conflict? |
| 16:41.03 | achillion | it can happen, yeah |
| 16:41.37 | achillion | but keepass-cli has a 'merge' function |
| 16:42.01 | achillion | so if I end up with conflicts I can merge, though it hasn't happened in ages |
| 16:42.19 | dmorx | Sounds way more usable than what I currently do. I configured my chromium such that it won't synchronize any passwords with Google, so everything is stored locally in KWallet. But the format that chrome uses to store passwords in KWallet is utterly unusable, I often find myself reading hexdumps⦠|
| 16:42.58 | achillion | that's not pretty :P |
| 16:46.03 | dmorx | Would be half as bad if KWallet came with a sync feature :/ But KWallet's cli is pretty weird, and to this day it doesn't support any wallets other than the wallet with the default name `kdewallet`. Multi-wallet setups aren't really supported (which makes merging two wallets really, really hard) |
| 16:46.54 | achillion | yeah, that's the main reason I just let it do ssh keys. Unlock and load them into the agent on login with PAM and don't bother with anything else please :) |
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| 21:05.35 | Daskreech | Has anyone heard of Evilnome ? |
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| 21:24.32 | Guest9329 | boomchakalaka |
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| 21:29.01 | Daskreech | SHouldn't that Khakalaka? |
| 21:33.21 | ItsNotRSX | Evilnome? that dumb plugin that captured a users window if you went through the conscious effort of installing malware? |
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| 21:35.35 | Daskreech | Yep. It's developed as a shell script and packaged as a GNOME extension but nothing stops that being packaged as a KDE or XDG applet/extenstion as far as I understand? |
| 21:36.17 | Daskreech | ItsNotRSX: Yes I know it's a stupid way to get it installed however.. |
| 21:38.54 | ItsNotRSX | However what? |
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| 21:39.27 | achillion | What is this? |
| 21:39.41 | Daskreech | Stupid exists |
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| 22:28.51 | Daskreech | svuorela: Hi Do you have a moment for a few questions? |
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| 22:36.24 | jml2 | should I be using phrabicator to report a new bugreport? |
| 22:36.26 | jml2 | ^^^^^ |
| 22:38.20 | Daskreech | Not an official answer but wouldn't that be https://bugs.kde.org |
| 22:38.47 | jml2 | yes I know, but I am asking because the component i'm listing has barely bugs in it |
| 22:39.08 | jml2 | tried looking at bugs.kde.org and there's a phrabicator link |
| 22:39.15 | jml2 | can't find much explanatio |
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| 22:40.25 | jml2 | there's report mentions about moving kde bugreports to gitlab -- not sure where I should be headed to..... |
| 22:40.32 | jml2 | (i have an old account on bugs.kde.org) |
| 22:42.13 | jml2 | ( reading https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved/Bug_Reporting ) |
| 22:43.09 | jml2 | if I had a patch/dev the report says to be using phrabicator... |
| 22:43.47 | Daskreech | Do you have a patch? |
| 22:43.49 | jml2 | (the -- community guideline report that I am reading says to use phrabicator if I have a patch -- but I am not reporting a patch ) --- nways... I think I can probably submit my bugreport to either.. |
| 22:44.10 | jml2 | no I don't .. I'll find out if I might as well use phrabicator in anyways.. |
| 22:44.15 | jml2 | thanks |
| 22:48.12 | Daskreech | YW |
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