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00:19.52Izaic-MI feel alseep while working on getting it compiled. I'm about to do testing on the patch. Thank you very much for earlier though asturm barchiesi
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01:49.31Izaic-MI got the patch compiled in kwin... but now i can't test it out in wayland...
01:49.49Izaic-MEverytime i try to replace the compositor it says "Unknown option "replace""
01:49.56Izaic-MQT_PLUGIN_PATH="$PWD/bin" ./bin/kwin_wayland --replace
01:50.07Izaic-MDoes wayland not suport replacing the compositor for testing?
01:50.10sarnoldit does not
01:50.28Izaic-MHow can i test this patch then?
01:50.42sarnoldsave everything, close everything, run your thing, test
01:51.23Izaic-MThat's the issue... run it how? It's the mimap patches roman made for wayland scaling
01:51.29Izaic-Mhttps://phabricator.kde.org/D23669
01:51.58sarnoldhah no idea there :) I've just heard this complaint about wayland for ages.. the way to test it is to tear everything down, do the thing..
01:52.33Izaic-MI've followed the kde documentation to compile it. But that's the other thing, running ctest i got three errors related to wayland during the testing, and ctest sat on 60/120 for a long time so i ctrl+c
01:53.03Izaic-M(it got stuck on the part related to keymapping)
01:53.59Izaic-MMaybe i can use startplasmacompositor with some kind of parameter?
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02:15.10Izaic-Mi dont really want to risk it, but i might just backup kwin, and then replace the system version with my compile one... If the scaling actually works properly it would be well worth the risk.
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03:40.39mawkif you compiled for the right prefix it should be fine Izaic-M
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05:16.37rindolfHi all! The kde desktop effects seem to have gotten slower here on mageia v8 x86-64 wtih my intel sandy bridge gfx
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06:04.06rindolfhi all, they seem fine now
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06:18.53madpropswhat's the shortcut to open the icon menu, for instance if i removed the border
06:18.54madprops?
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06:39.01rindolfmadprops: hi
06:39.13rindolfmadprops: alt f3?
06:39.55madpropsyeah that's it, thanks
06:40.03madpropsi was used to alt+space
06:40.08madpropsbut that's krunner
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10:05.59*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.16 and KDE Applications 19.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config
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10:35.06mamonetticurrent dolphin version automatically selects the parent folder of the folder you come from when you go up in the tree
10:35.21mamonettiis there any way to disable this?
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11:13.52BluesKajHi folks
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11:17.07alexdeHi everyone! I am looking for a reviewer for my QML patch, which I would like to land in 5.17: https://phabricator.kde.org/D23520 Any feedback is very welcomed.
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11:38.32ShalokShalomhi there
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11:45.06ShalokShalomI connected my KMail to my Protonmail account, which requires a specific software in beta, in order to keep the encryption
11:45.19ShalokShalomUploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0dbf34dfaeb0cb39657e762a23010e67/Screenshot_20190911_134427.png
11:45.39ShalokShalomAs you can see: KMail says all is fine, it also showed the download bar for quite some time
11:45.43ShalokShalomAnd shows nothing :)
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11:57.09ShalokShalomIf anybody is interested in Vim support in Qt Creator - yes I mean full Vim implemented, including plugins then you can get this project through the Gerrit process, the developer is busy:
11:57.10ShalokShalomhttps://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTCREATORBUG-20743
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12:16.37proctrapso I'm hit by the kmail gmail bug and can't set the PLAIN mode as all advanced settings are greyed out the moment I have imap.gmail.com server, any ideas ?
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12:20.44CarlSchwanproctrap: Do you have 2fa activated?
12:20.50proctrapno
12:21.07proctrapCarlSchwan: it is exactly this bug: https://www.dvratil.cz/2019/08/kontact-google-integration-issue/
12:21.14proctraphttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404990
12:21.30proctrapCarlSchwan: but because you can't change anything in the "advanced" tab of kmail I also can't set it to plain
12:21.39proctrapso the "allow unsecure apps" thing doesn't work
12:21.53proctraphttps://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=118628
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12:24.39ShalokShalomUploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/35b059a3a1a615a02f7ba1b858efe1f2/Screenshot_20190911_142426.png
12:25.08i-have-terminal-ok
12:25.11FireBurnHi
12:25.19i-have-terminal-hi
12:25.47i-have-terminal-finally found an alive chat
12:25.52ShalokShalomCan anybody help?
12:26.14FireBurnIs there a way to remove old devices from the "Device Prefernce" in the "Audio and Video" control panel
12:26.16ShalokShalomI have loaded 2 mail acconts, both wont show up
12:26.31ShalokShalomDespite the fact that the notifications say they are there
12:27.00FireBurnOr is there a better #kde-something channel to ask in?
12:27.20xyquadrat-MFireBurn: these are probably kept in cache somewhere, so deleting the appropriate file might help
12:27.35FireBurnYes but where is the question
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12:30.06FireBurnI've tried grepping the dot folders in my home directory
12:30.06xyquadrat-MFireBurn: rename the file .config/pulse/*.-device-manager.tdb
12:30.15xyquadrat-MThen it should re-read all audio devices on next startup
12:30.20FireBurnOoo
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12:33.20FireBurnThanks for that
12:33.25FireBurnREbooting now
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12:42.58barchiesi-MIzaic https://pointieststick.com/2019/06/25/an-easier-way-to-test-plasma/ might be of help
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14:26.50vbgunzhello, I love KDE and been following since 3.5. I rarely complain and will just settle on other solutions when possible. something I can't seem to fix is plasmas multi screen bamboozler. I mean, literally every single day I'm fighting with it to keep the panels where they belong. wallpapers the same but everyday I'm losing a panel and the widgets to go with it. I'm on KDE Neon 5.16 using an RX 580. Any solutions to this? I removed kscreen
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14:27.46vbgunzI use to use xrandr to change screens up and I use to get it back but on Neon, this is no longer the case. I just have to keep adding panels, widgets again to restore what it was
14:29.00makr8100vbgunz: you're not running a live cd?  as in you installed the OS to the hard drive?
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14:29.42makr8100usually that happens when the kde user directories get destroyed/corrupted, but I haven't had that happen since early kde4
14:30.14vbgunzI am not running on a live cd
14:30.37vbgunz2 4k displays hooked up with displayport cables + 1 hdmi tv connected
14:30.47makr8100weird...
14:31.11makr8100I doubt the number/size of displays has anything to do with it.  I wonder if neon has it's own irc channel too or if this is it
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14:31.34vbgunzI really hate being that edge case, feeling hopeless. I don't have to do much after a brand new fresh installation. the problem is just there
14:31.54makr8100I'm running openSUSE Tumbleweed which is really similar to neon for kde versions
14:31.55vbgunzmultiscreen is always a problem, it's unstoppable and I'm frustrated by it :(
14:32.06makr8100I have a laptop screen and 2 external monitors, no issues here
14:32.39vbgunzwell your no issues aren't mine. I always have issues across Fedora or Neon
14:32.50makr8100heh
14:32.59makr8100try opensuse?  lol idk
14:32.59vbgunzdoesn't matter if the install is fresh or years old, it's the same issues for me
14:34.19xyquadrat-Mvbgunz: could you take a look at this query: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=plasma%20panel%20multi%20monitor and find out which bug you are hitting?
14:35.49xyquadrat-MIf many people are affected by a single bug, it's more likely to be fixed
14:37.59vbgunzI know for a fact I'm following some of these but I can't seem to find what I'm following
14:40.13CHADMIN-Mhey guys, a bit vague question, but is there an adwaita (default gnome look) aurorae theme (window decoration)?
14:40.28CHADMIN-MThere is an inbuilt gnome and gnome-dark themes in kvantum
14:40.31CHADMIN-Mbut I can't find matching window decorations
14:40.31CHADMIN-Manywhere
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14:41.37makr8100vbgunz: there's a known issue with kde and mesa/nouveau, I can't find the exact message but it showed up in opensuse's software installer when I was updating
14:41.52vbgunzI even chattr +i /home/vbgunz/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc and somehow the widgets and everything else still managesto get rearranged or lost :/
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14:42.06vbgunzI'm using the amdgpu driver
14:42.06makr8100something about how mesa/nouveau is experimental and potentially glitchy with kde, although mine works fine
14:43.02makr8100well that *should* rule out any nouveau-related issues...  lol
14:43.43makr8100CHADMIN-M: there is a way to download new window decorations within systemsettings (kde's control panel app)
14:43.51makr8100it searches kdelook.org
14:44.13CHADMIN-MI'm aware of that
14:44.20CHADMIN-Mhowever there's simply none
14:44.47CHADMIN-MI tried any possible search terms and was checking them manually, but there's no such a window decoration
14:45.07makr8100yeah I'm not seeing it
14:45.11makr8100heh...
14:46.17CHADMIN-Malso I thought it searches store.kde.org
14:47.10makr8100heh, maybe it does now but I think it used to be kdelook...  they're basically clones of eachother anyways
14:47.31CHADMIN-Mwell, default breeze window decoration works surprisingly well
14:47.31makr8100looks like some themes I've seen around before but I can't remember what they're named
14:48.03makr8100you want airglass-black anyways lol
14:48.33makr8100kidding, it's nothing like adwaita, but iirc breeze is similar if you set title bar color same as window bg
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15:02.10localhorsehow can i make my mouse pointer speed faster? i tried `xinput list` but it doesn't list my (wifi) mouse! when i unplug the usb thing of the mouse, i get the same output from `xinput list`!
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15:14.43bernie_localhorse: can you paste the output of xinput list to http://paste.kde.org/  ?
15:15.39localhorsebernie_: this is with my mouse plugged in http://dpaste.com/2RG4CNG
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15:16.46bernie_localhorse: hmm... i think the Microsoft Nano Tranceiver could be it
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15:16.59barchiesi-MIts a pointer device,
15:17.03localhorseit is a microsoft mouse
15:17.16localhorseso what's the right setting to make it faster?
15:17.24localhorsealso surviving reboot
15:17.26bernie_localhorse: go to systemsettings
15:17.47localhorsei tried, there are no mouse settings
15:17.53bernie_localhorse: there's an Input Devices panel in Hardware, at the bottom
15:18.27bernie_localhorse: yeah, i don't know why we don't just have a recognizable icon, like Windows and OSX do
15:18.33localhorsei'm on opensuse, i don't have system settings, only yast
15:19.02ShalokShalomthey removed it or you avoid using it?
15:19.04asturmdo you have some kind of crazy minimum installation of plasma then?
15:19.11localhorseno
15:19.12bernie_localhorse: hmm... perhaps the kde systemsettings is hidden somewhere in the applications menu?
15:19.15asturmbecause by default opensuse does ship with systemsettings.
15:19.17localhorsehttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2dnoG9Z2/image.png
15:19.25localhorsebut where are they?
15:19.34bernie_localhorse: ah, scroll down the window
15:19.42localhorsewhen i press the windows key and enter system settings in the search, there is no match
15:19.48ShalokShalomsystemsettings5
15:19.50bernie_everyone note that I fell exactly for the same issue 1 year ago or so
15:19.51ShalokShalomis the command
15:20.10asturmeven entering 'system' is enough to get it as first result
15:20.21localhorsehttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4jFGWPsi/image.png
15:20.25ShalokShalomasturm: it could be removed from the menu
15:20.27localhorsethis is now scrolled down^
15:20.33localhorseasturm: apparently it's not
15:20.39asturmlocalhorse: that's yast
15:20.41asturmget out of yast
15:20.45ShalokShalomlocalhorse: just open the Konsole and type systemsettings5
15:20.52bernie_localhorse: ugh sorry, it's not the same problem i had, haha
15:20.54localhorseok, i have it now
15:20.56ShalokShalomCtrl+Alt+T
15:20.58ShalokShalomfine
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15:21.33localhorseit just shows the SAME mouse settings as the separate mouse settings dialog!
15:21.42localhorseonly pointer accell, which is already at max (20)
15:22.01localhorsebut the mouse is still too slow
15:22.10localhorsei want to set the speed, already maxed out accel
15:22.20bernie_localhorse: i think some vendors (including suse) confuse users by having this separate "system / os settings" interface that's not the same of "user / desktop settings"
15:22.23localhorsehttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xyikehPq/image.png
15:22.48localhorsehttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AZYbDxAM/image.png
15:23.18localhorsedo xinput configs survive a reboot?
15:23.31ShalokShalombernie_; they also interfere badly
15:23.43ShalokShalomyou can mess up your system simply by using both
15:23.48localhorsewhich of the 4 `Microsoft Microsoft® Nano Transceiver v1.0`s is my mouse?
15:23.54bernie_localhorse: i have a newer version of systemsettings that looks like this: https://codewiz.org/pub/Screenshot_20190912_002320.png
15:23.56ShalokShalomit is even discouraged to do that
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15:24.20bernie_localhorse: it was recently reworked for usability (a much needed restyle)
15:24.34localhorsebernie_: i cant open that link: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
15:24.59bernie_localhorse: oh interesting, my domain has a dead nameserver
15:33.01bernie_localhorse: i don't understand why you're getting 4 of them... maybe when you unplug and plug udev fails to remove the dead one
15:33.25bernie_localhorse: i see only one mouse, and when i replug it, it goes away and then comes back
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15:34.00localhorsewhen i unplug, it shows the same output
15:34.04localhorsealso when i plug it back in
15:34.59localhorsedevice 11 and 16 have different sets of props
15:35.06localhorse16 seems to be the mouse
15:35.32bernie_localhorse: is your opensuse somewhat updated?
15:35.35localhorsewhat's the right setting to modify? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KyiDlHdd/
15:35.37bernie_localhorse: can you upgrade?
15:35.44localhorsebernie_: yes, i always apply updates
15:36.02localhorsebut i'm on LTS
15:36.13bernie_localhorse: let me check what my mouse says...
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15:37.17bernie_localhorse: my props are similar to yours...
15:38.22bernie_localhorse: hmm... there's 15.1 which was released on 2019-05-22
15:38.34localhorsehm, i applied all updates
15:38.37bernie_localhorse: 15.0 isn't that old (2018-05-25)
15:38.50localhorsei installed it in january
15:38.53bernie_localhorse: perhaps it doesn't automatically roll from 15.0 to 15.1...
15:39.07bernie_localhorse: yeah, I'm seeing it here:
15:39.17bernie_localhorse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE_version_history#Leap_15_series_[22][23]
15:39.22asturmit does not roll indeed
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15:39.50localhorseyeah, only tumbleweed is rolling release i think
15:39.56localhorseso i can't easily upgrade?
15:40.23bernie_asturm: i don't know why most linux distros are still doing 6-month releases... like in the CD-ROMs era...
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15:40.42bernie_asturm: even windows has become a rolling distro now...
15:42.49einar77_worklocalhorse: upgrade paths are supported between versions
15:43.08localhorseok but for now i just want to make my mouse faster
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15:55.22nhayecucwra_kz-M<bernie_ "asturm: even windows has become "> And break thing every update.
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15:56.22asturmbernie_: don't ask me, I haven't been on release-based distros in 10 years
15:56.43asturmmore like 15
16:00.39bernie_asturm: wow.
16:00.54bernie_asturm: now i'm on arch, but i also use fedora... rawhide :-)
16:01.20bernie_nhayecucwra_kz-M: indeed, they manage to even cause serious user data loss
16:01.50bernie_localhorse: i don't know how to fix the mouse, but i fixed my nameservers thanks to you :-)
16:02.41bernie_localhorse: so, here's what that panel looks like in kde plasma desktop 5.16.5
16:02.46bernie_localhorse: https://codewiz.org/pub/Screenshot_20190912_002320.png
16:03.15localhorsei'd like to have that. so that's in opensuse 15.1?
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16:07.32makr8100localhorse: that kde version is not in default opensuse 15.1 but I believe it's in the standard update repos
16:07.53makr8100tumbleweed has it, and if leap doesn't you can enable kde cutting edge repos somehow
16:08.23makr8100that setting is there in basically all plasma5 versions though, just a different way to get there
16:08.46makr8100same settings tool but navigation of it was redesigned from 5.15 to 5.16
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16:18.43bernie_makr8100: i think the different interface is just a nice-to-have...
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16:19.10bernie_makr8100: the problem that localhorse is experiencing is probably some broken udev rule...
16:19.21bernie_makr8100: because he's seeing the same device multiple times in xinput
16:19.22localhorsei didn't change anything
16:19.32localhorsethe laptop came with opensuse preinstalled
16:19.48bernie_localhorse: yeah, it might be a bug in opensuse... maybe fixed in 15.1, maybe not
16:20.18bernie_localhorse: all i can say is that various mice models work fine for me in kde, both at home and at work
16:20.43bernie_localhorse: and even wireless mice are just normal USB HID, so i doubt you're hitting a kernel bug
16:21.52bernie_localhorse: ah, what does "xinput get-feedbacks N" say?
16:22.12bernie_localhorse: i get accelNum=2, accelDenom=1, threshold=4
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16:43.15makr8100right, I haven't noticed any functionality changes
16:43.49makr8100just improved navigation
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16:46.50messertingHi. If I run "spectacle" from a terminal, it opens with the correct theme, but if I press PrtSc, it opens with wrong theme/font sizes etc.
16:46.56messertingHow come?
16:49.19messertingI can see "Print" is listed as a Global Keyboard shortcut (in systemsettings), under kded and "Start screenshot tool".
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16:56.10messertingok, so I find in ~/.config/khotkeysrc this: RemoteApp=org.kde.Spectacle, so it is a dbus call. Why is my environment(?), ie. my theme not being used when spectacle is called from kded via dbus?
16:56.19messertingThis is on a Fedora 30 system
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16:58.43messertingYep, if I do "qdbus org.kde.Spectacle / StartAgent" from the terminal, I don't get proper theming of spectacle
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17:02.20messertingMoreover, if I pres PrtSc, and the spectacle window appears, and then press PrtSc again, nothing happens. Even if Spectacle is hidde behind something else or on another screen. I'd expect a new instance to show up.
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17:08.35mawkyou can explicitely start a new instance with shift+clic on the already opened spectacle
17:08.36mawkin the task bar
17:08.52mawkor right click and « start a new instance »
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17:11.13messertingmawk: shift+click, cool I didn't know that
17:11.36messertingnice to have, but still, pressing print screen to grab the moment is what I have in my hands
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17:11.45messertingand now that fails if spectacle is already opened
17:12.03messertingI guess I should change the dbus call, but can't find out how
17:14.04mawkI don't know why you don't have proper theming, it works with me
17:14.08mawkwith qdbus
17:14.43mawkinstead of dbus call you can open the app directly in the hotkey files ?
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17:17.08messertingmawk: yep, maybe that is the way to go. Very strange. I have the same behavior on two machines, both Fedora 30.
17:17.26messertingHow do I start eg Dolphin from dbus?
17:17.35messertingjust to check if that gives correct theming
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17:19.33mawkI'm looking
17:19.36mawkdunno if it's possible
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17:20.47messertingmawk: ok, I can do "qdbus org.kde.krunner /MainApplication aboutQt" and get the About Qt info in the correct theme
17:20.57messertingSo it must be something special with Spectacle(?)
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17:23.36mawkyeah maybe
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17:30.31messertingInteresting: If I manually run "/usr/bin/spectacle -s" from the terminal, then press PrtSc, I get right theming. But it exits, and the second time I'm getting the old wrong theme.
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17:31.24messerting"ps aux" doesn't show any spectacle running, though, I thought maybe the dbus mode had been started as root or something strange
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17:36.01messertingAnyway, I am remapping PrtSc to a simple call to /usr/bin/spectacle, and am getting the expected behavior. Maybe I'm missing out on something magic with the dbus call directly on the class method, I dunno
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17:38.43mawkyeah you don't miss anything messerting
17:38.52mawkthere is no dbus method to start a new one
17:39.28messertingmawk: I think "qdbus org.kde.Spectacle / StartAgent" is exactly that, isn't it?
17:39.44mawkthat's for showing the actual one yes
17:39.48mawkbut it doesn't start a new one
17:40.04mawkyou have spectacle (or another daemon or whatever) always listening on the other end of that dbus pipe
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17:41.35messertingHm, ok. But if I do start "spectacle -s", an instance is showing up in dbus, with lowercase spectacle (as opposed to the capital "S" in Spectacle). I thought that was sort of a instanciation via class method?
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17:50.07mawkthat starts a new "daemon" that listens on dbus messerting
17:51.52messertingmawk: Hm, I'm still not following. Yes, "spectacle -s" starts a new daemon. But when no daemon is running (ie. ps aux doesn't show any), we can still start a new instance with "qdbus org.kde.Spectacle / StartAgent". Yes?
17:52.14mawkyes
17:52.23mawkbecause a daemon is running and provides org.kde.Spectacle
17:53.31messertingso what is the name of the daemon?
17:53.47mawkjust spectacle
17:53.55mawkwhen I kill it, I have no spectacle endpoint in dbus anymore
17:54.02mawkhmm
17:54.14DavidRedondoDbus kann start spectacle on demand
17:54.23DavidRedondoSee the service file
17:54.35mawkah
17:54.37messertingexactly
17:55.17messertingBut, as pointed out - it fails to provide the proper theming. In my case on Fedora 30 at least.
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23:35.44cthulhu_hello
23:35.46cthulhu_does this work
23:36.58sarnoldcthulhu_: pong
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23:37.18cthulhu_hello
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23:37.29cthulhu_yep thanks
23:37.34cthulhu_just testing if it works
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