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| 00:01.47 | tux3 | I built KDE from source to try out kwin_wayland. The nested kwin seems to work with xwayland apps, but I can't start anything with the Wayland platform plugin. |
| 00:02.11 | tux3 | I'm on NVIDIA's drivers, is this supposed to work as of KDE 17.2? Am I missing something obvious? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/60aaf867/ |
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| 00:03.48 | jankusanagi_ | do you mean Plasma 5.17.2? |
| 00:04.07 | tux3 | Yep, sorry. I'm on Debian Sid, Linux 5.3.0, nvidia 440.26-1 if that matters any. |
| 00:04.08 | asturm | iirc nvidia and xwayland is a no-no |
| 00:05.35 | tux3 | I'm not sure, because the xwayland part seems to work? "DISPLAY=:1 ./kate" starts, but "QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland ./kate" is what fails |
| 00:06.35 | jankusanagi_ | any particular reason you built Plasma from source to test this? |
| 00:07.03 | jankusanagi_ | I mean, I tried Plasma on Wayland on a Sid machine months ago |
| 00:07.59 | tux3 | Debian's KDE is reportedly too old to have NVIDIA EGLStreams. I'm told that was merged in 5.16, but sid is on 5.14.5 |
| 00:08.15 | asturm | oh, they're still stuck |
| 00:09.11 | jankusanagi_ | ah, right... Nvidia's c*** |
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| 00:42.10 | tux3 | Ok I got it to work after a strace! The problem was starting kwin_wayland with "--socket nested", but applications still expected the socket to be named wayland-0... |
| 00:43.30 | tux3 | I copied the wrong kwin_wayland incantation from https://community.kde.org/KWin/Wayland. I'd edit that page but I can't find a register link. Oh well. |
| 00:54.03 | jankusanagi_ | https://userbase.kde.org/Quick_Start#Creating_an_Account |
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| 01:27.41 | longus_catus | Hello. How can I choose specific virtual desktops a window will appear on? |
| 01:28.01 | longus_catus | I used to be able to do this, but I don't remember on what. It may have been an old version of KDE or another system |
| 01:37.46 | jankusanagi_ | you can use KWin's window rules |
| 01:38.24 | Kon- | longus_catus: Right-click on the window in the panel and select Move to Desktop |
| 01:38.44 | Kon- | Or in the active window, Alt+F3 to get to Kwin's window rules and do it there |
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| 02:07.24 | longus_catus | jankusanagi_: To get a window to appear on more than one virtual desktop at once? |
| 02:08.58 | jankusanagi_ | AFAIK you can only make a window appear in one specific desktop, or all of them |
| 02:19.58 | rebecca | i have noticed that many windows i could previously resize are missing the resize handles and instead i need to: right click -> more options -> resize OR even that is missing. |
| 02:20.21 | rebecca | how can i stop KDE from hiding the resize handles on windows which support resizing? |
| 02:25.01 | jankusanagi_ | never had that problem with Plasma |
| 02:25.18 | jankusanagi_ | are those GTK-based programs, by any chance? |
| 02:26.39 | jankusanagi_ | for the record you can very easily resize by holding ALT while dragging with the mouse's right button |
| 02:35.38 | rebecca | maybe gtk |
| 02:35.51 | rebecca | i just want the resize handles i have been using for years to work in kde |
| 02:36.29 | jankusanagi_ | well, those kinds of issues are the fault of the stupid CSD used in most GNOME programs |
| 02:36.51 | jankusanagi_ | if you don't want to use ALT+rmb, I think there are other workarounds |
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| 02:49.15 | rebecca | you can call it stupid but when it's a staple application used by a lot of people that doesn't work correctly under KDE then the users experience with KDE suffers. |
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| 02:55.03 | jankusanagi_ | I'm just saying it's not Plasma's fault that CSD programs are stupid |
| 02:55.18 | jankusanagi_ | that being said... maybe you have the window borders set to a minimal size? |
| 02:56.00 | jankusanagi_ | what "staple application" is this? |
| 02:56.06 | rebecca | GIMP |
| 02:56.13 | rebecca | and no, i don't |
| 02:56.24 | jankusanagi_ | ah... GIMP certainly doesn't have those issues |
| 02:56.41 | jankusanagi_ | it doesn't use the broken CSD concept at all, for starters |
| 02:56.49 | jankusanagi_ | and it's still based on GTK2 =) |
| 02:57.23 | jankusanagi_ | no problems here with GIMP |
| 02:57.51 | rebecca | other programs have the same problem |
| 02:57.58 | rebecca | such as an unmaximised firefox |
| 02:58.07 | rebecca | i don't have zero width borders |
| 02:58.18 | rebecca | there just isn't resize handles on things which should have them |
| 02:58.19 | jankusanagi_ | no problems with Firefox here either, but I use it with proper window title |
| 02:58.52 | rebecca | i'm very glad yours is working correctly |
| 02:59.01 | rebecca | but this doesn't help me |
| 02:59.36 | jankusanagi_ | what I'm saying is IT'S NOT BROKEN BY DESIGN |
| 02:59.52 | jankusanagi_ | it works here, so it's not _always_ broken |
| 03:01.12 | rebecca | ok cool |
| 03:01.24 | rebecca | any idea how to fix it here? |
| 03:02.04 | jankusanagi_ | well, it would help to check if the problem's there with Dolphin, for instance |
| 03:03.10 | jankusanagi_ | and in any case, assuming you're using default window decorations, you can try changing the window decoration to something else |
| 03:05.10 | rebecca | okay, thanks, i'll try that |
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| 03:07.56 | organelle | hi |
| 03:09.06 | jankusanagi_ | o/ |
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| 03:13.50 | rebecca | okay. the problem was caused by having 'tiny' window borders |
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| 03:14.11 | rebecca | how can i enable the resize handles on tiny borders? |
| 03:14.53 | rebecca | normal borders are overkill width. tiny borders are the perfect (non-zero) size but don't enable resize handles... :/ |
| 03:15.51 | jankusanagi_ | that might be a per-windeco setting |
| 03:16.06 | jankusanagi_ | still, there's always alt+rmb =) |
| 03:17.26 | rebecca | requiring a modifier key to resize a window in this manner is ridiculous |
| 03:17.59 | rebecca | dolphin has the same problem |
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| 03:22.31 | jankusanagi_ | nobody is requiring anything, I'm just giving options |
| 03:22.35 | jankusanagi_ | which I'll stop doing |
| 03:23.00 | rebecca | KDE requires it not you |
| 03:23.15 | jankusanagi_ | no, Plasma doesn't require that |
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| 03:24.50 | rebecca | i installed kubuntu 18.04 to go back to the highly configurable KDE interface i remember and i'm discovering lots of things that are arbitrarily configured with no obvious path to change. this is frustrating as heck |
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| 03:28.32 | rebecca | i am just trying to get a interface working in the manner I am accustomed to using for over a decade... I'm an old fan of KDE but so far my return to is has left me rather disappointed. |
| 03:29.18 | rindolf | rebecca: hi |
| 03:29.24 | rindolf | rebecca: i see |
| 03:29.47 | rebecca | sorry for the rant |
| 03:30.19 | rebecca | hi rindolf |
| 03:32.54 | rindolf | rebecca: i still miss kde 3 |
| 03:33.08 | madprops | what don't you like about kde? |
| 03:35.32 | jankusanagi_ | it's a nice community =) |
| 03:38.13 | rebecca | it's little things, like the virtual desktop pager widget being stupidly wide if you have 2 monitors, the inability to customise the date/time format on the clock widget, the over-eagerness of the status/notification icons to compress from a 2high grid to 1high grid when shrinking the panel size, the huge wasted space around the application menu icon |
| 03:39.35 | Kon- | rebecca: Firefox settings can have the same effect as choosing No Border in Kwin settings, even if you didn't choose that in Kwin |
| 03:39.46 | jankusanagi_ | you can customize the clock widget perfectly |
| 03:39.56 | Kon- | That would remove the titlebar and border/resizing |
| 03:40.11 | rebecca | Kon-: thanks for the tip but the problem isn't isolated to firefox |
| 03:40.40 | rebecca | jankusanagi_: i don't think you can on this version of KDE |
| 03:40.47 | jankusanagi_ | version of Plasma |
| 03:40.58 | jankusanagi_ | but again, is not Plasma's fault that you're using a 2yo version |
| 03:41.14 | rebecca | 5.12.9 |
| 03:41.25 | jankusanagi_ | ancient |
| 03:41.28 | Kon- | rebecca: It can also happen in apps where the window is rendered by OpenGL, Vulkan, etc. A graphics API where the Kwin compositor doesn't directly control the window |
| 03:42.21 | rebecca | i'm using this version because the latest kubuntu wouldn't boot |
| 03:42.33 | rebecca | ryzen kernel issues |
| 03:42.58 | Kon- | I'm also on Kubuntu 18.04, but I'm interested...which kernel did you run into issues with on Ryzen? |
| 03:43.46 | rebecca | whatever kernel version comes with the latest production kubuntu build. it's a known issue |
| 03:44.02 | rebecca | it installs okay but fails to boot |
| 03:44.22 | rebecca | something to do with random number module |
| 03:45.00 | rebecca | my computer died and i needed to get a new one running so kernel hacking around the problem wasn't really on my todo list |
| 03:45.24 | Kon- | Interesting. Eoan uses 5.3.0 and I did test that version of the mainline kernel from the mainline PPA on my 18.04 system. I have a 1700X |
| 03:46.24 | rebecca | https://betanews.com/2019/07/13/amd-ryzen-3000-linux-problems/ |
| 03:46.54 | Kon- | Ahhh, lol, this same thing happened with previous Ryzen generations on launch |
| 03:47.16 | Kon- | Wow. Can't believe they've not gotten better with support for a new product launch |
| 03:47.25 | jankusanagi_ | Mageia released an updated version of Mageia 7 just for the Ryzen |
| 03:47.31 | rebecca | sounds like AMD should involve linux kernel work before launch |
| 03:48.01 | rebecca | Kon-: yeah, it was frustrating as hell |
| 03:48.12 | rebecca | particularly because the install process goes perfectly |
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| 03:48.41 | rebecca | and then you try to boot and all you get is static txt cursor |
| 03:50.07 | Kon- | Ouch |
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| 03:54.18 | rebecca | is there any way to control the allowable icon spacing for the quicklaunch widget? |
| 03:55.09 | rebecca | i want to make my panel height smaller but the quicklaunch icons prematurely snap down to a smaller icon size |
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| 12:17.24 | BluesKaj | Howdy al |
| 12:18.54 | BluesKaj | all |
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| 12:23.44 | SGOrava | Welcome |
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| 12:29.47 | BluesKaj | o/ |
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| 13:09.11 | rindolf | BluesKaj: good morning. sup? |
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| 13:14.04 | BluesKaj | Hi rindolf same ol', having wake-up coffee. How about you? |
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| 13:17.45 | tareef | Hello, How to make Konsole using KDE's colors, e.g When choosing KDE Breeze from System Settings, I wish if Konsole automatically use Breeze color scheme |
| 13:18.23 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i've started collecting taylor swift factoids - https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/#facts-taylor_swift |
| 13:18.33 | rindolf | tareef: hi |
| 13:22.04 | SGOrava | tareef: I believe you need to change konsole color scheme in konsole settings (setting > profiles > edit > colors...) |
| 13:22.22 | rindolf | BluesKaj: and i started writing some new essays |
| 13:23.55 | rindolf | BluesKaj: did you sleep well? |
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| 13:36.23 | BluesKaj | rindolf, I slept well enough. Taylor Swift, a beautiful intelligent woman, i'm surprised about the mess she's in with her song copyrights |
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| 13:39.52 | rindolf | BluesKaj: ah |
| 13:40.45 | rindolf | BluesKaj: do you like some of her songs? |
| 13:40.49 | SGOrava | copyrights are evil, be a good pirate (there is no other option, there is also no way to get old things anyway) |
| 13:41.02 | rindolf | SGOrava: arrrrrrr! |
| 13:41.31 | BluesKaj | rindolf, yeah some |
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| 14:13.00 | JanKusanagi | please don't go around attacking ships |
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| 14:18.13 | SGOrava | I only make a copy |
| 14:26.17 | rindolf | JanKusanagi: heh |
| 14:26.33 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i see |
| 14:28.37 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i like some of her songs too |
| 14:29.57 | rindolf | BluesKaj: can you please go over this doc and comment on spelling/grammar/etc. : https://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/text/2019-11-17.xhtml ? |
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| 14:35.51 | BluesKaj | rindolf, looks fine |
| 14:36.54 | rindolf | BluesKaj: thanks |
| 14:37.29 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i'll publish it soonishly |
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| 15:23.11 | tareef | SGOrava, I was looking if there is a way to link between the two things, system's colors and konsole one |
| 15:24.36 | JanKusanagi | those are two totally unrelated palettes, so no proper way to do it |
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| 15:32.53 | tareef | so is there any commands to change both of them via a bash alias ? |
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| 15:36.52 | JanKusanagi | I guess you could cook something up with kwriteconfig5 |
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| 18:13.59 | nescius | hi, do you know about some (plasma based?) on screen keyboard |
| 18:14.53 | JanKusanagi | well, Plasma already has one, if the relevant Qt packages are installed |
| 18:15.02 | JanKusanagi | but AFAIK it's only used on the lockscreen and a few other places |
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| 18:21.36 | JanKusanagi | "As a note to our touch screen users. Itâs possible to use Qtâs virtual keyboard for all Qt application. One just needs to specify the env variable QT_IM_MODULE=qtvirtualkeyboard. When entering text Qt pops up the virtual keyboard as an additional window. This is only needed in an X11 session. In a Wayland session KWin provides the integration and Qt apps (and other apps) get the virtual keyboard through the Wayland text input protocol." |
| 18:21.40 | JanKusanagi | https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/03/virtual-keyboard-on-lock-screen/ |
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| 19:02.43 | nescius | JanKusanagi: Thanks! |
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| 19:16.49 | DrShinBuckley | I'm having trouble adjusting the font size in Cantor, it just stays on 9 pt. Anyone have experience with properly adjusting it? |
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| 19:27.10 | nescius | JanKusanagi: I tried Wayland, crashes on start, will try later again, thanks anyway |
| 19:27.26 | JanKusanagi | that wasn't the main point of that post |
| 19:27.55 | JanKusanagi | especially of the paragraph I pasted |
| 19:28.48 | nescius | you mentioned an env variable working for qt based apps only, i do use other apps.. |
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| 19:29.52 | SGOrava | half solution is still a good solution, note it down and go search for the rest |
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| 19:31.53 | nescius | more than 90% of my time is in a browser, firefox is not qt, rest are not viable for my likings. |
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| 22:35.57 | nick2 | is store.kde.org an officias site really? |
| 22:36.04 | nick2 | is store.kde.org an official site really? |
| 22:37.09 | SGOrava | nick2: it is, it is used by knewstuff |
| 22:37.39 | nick2 | @SGOrava so they have a monopoly , right ? |
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| 22:37.50 | JanKusanagi | a monopoly on what? xD |
| 22:38.01 | nick2 | they hold the KNEWstuff monolpoly ⦠|
| 22:38.10 | JanKusanagi | how's that a monopoly? |
| 22:38.21 | nick2 | no one else can put stuff on KNEWSTUFF |
| 22:38.33 | asturm | that's like saying my package manager has a monopoly |
| 22:38.35 | SGOrava | anyone can |
| 22:38.37 | JanKusanagi | that's not a definition of monopoly xD |
| 22:38.57 | JanKusanagi | the things distributed via store.kde.org can be obtained elsewhere |
| 22:39.08 | nick2 | when they censor KNEWSTUFF they wield much power and can abuse at will. |
| 22:39.18 | asturm | ah, one of those... |
| 22:39.40 | nick2 | in fact, they do. |
| 22:40.05 | JanKusanagi | xDDDD |
| 22:40.11 | SGOrava | nick2: design and make a better system |
| 22:40.19 | JanKusanagi | yes, they also censored your nick, apparently |
| 22:40.23 | nick2 | there is no oversight against abuse by store.kde.org |
| 22:40.37 | asturm | choose your fights wisely, this is not one of thenm |
| 22:41.04 | JanKusanagi | it certainly isn't xDD |
| 22:41.06 | nick2 | @SGOrava so you confirm store.kde.org is somewhat mediocre |
| 22:41.35 | nick2 | asturm: you wanna threaten me ? |
| 22:41.36 | asturm | impeach my package manager! |
| 22:41.41 | JanKusanagi | whoa, and I thought my nephew had bad reading abilities xD |
| 22:41.49 | SGOrava | nick2: I have an option for you, there is an option to change providers to different service during the compilation, just run your own and patch the programs to use it |
| 22:42.32 | nick2 | SGOrava: obviously this maintains the monopoly of the abusers of power |
| 22:42.34 | SGOrava | nick2: it is made by people |
| 22:42.44 | nick2 | bad people, for that matter |
| 22:42.56 | JanKusanagi | abusers, abusers everywhere |
| 22:43.05 | asturm | nick2: have you been hurt by them? |
| 22:43.12 | nick2 | JanKusanagi: what did you expect⦠|
| 22:43.15 | SGOrava | nick2: I said, run your own service, patch the programs to use it |
| 22:43.35 | JanKusanagi | did they use a whip? |
| 22:43.44 | nick2 | SGOrava: you miss the point. the KDE people want to be set free from the abusers. |
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| 22:44.24 | nick2 | asturm â there is no oversight against abuse by store.kde.org at all ? |
| 22:44.28 | asturm | nick2: what's your distro? |
| 22:44.31 | SGOrava | nad it is not even friday |
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| 22:44.48 | nick2 | asturm: fedora sometimes |
| 22:45.03 | asturm | those corporate overlords? |
| 22:45.07 | asturm | are you kidding me? |
| 22:45.09 | JanKusanagi | xDDDD |
| 22:45.10 | SGOrava | well, there is a bit of spam there but nothing very bad... |
| 22:45.21 | JanKusanagi | 𤣠|
| 22:45.42 | nick2 | SGOrava: those in the dark you donât see⦠they censored it all |
| 22:45.54 | SGOrava | nick2: so you are using experimatal product from IBM which is used to test new features and find bugs |
| 22:46.02 | JanKusanagi | yes, and they shot Kenndy |
| 22:46.04 | asturm | someone must have dropped their favorite color scheme |
| 22:46.10 | JanKusanagi | Kennedy, even |
| 22:46.13 | CarlSchwan | btw store.kde.org is not hosted by kde |
| 22:46.22 | nick2 | SGOrava: thats why I'll quit using it and for other reasons |
| 22:46.25 | SGOrava | nick2: my things are there even when they are mostly unusable right now... no abuse was done on me |
| 22:46.49 | SGOrava | nick2: i proposed that to you a long time ago... |
| 22:46.50 | nick2 | SGOrava: no one cares for individual cases |
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| 22:47.09 | JanKusanagi | I think one plasmoid I submitted early on Plasma 4 times is probably still there |
| 22:47.20 | nick2 | the KDE masses are subjected to abuse by store.kde.org censors |
| 22:47.21 | JanKusanagi | unless it's gone because of cleanup, which would make sense xD |
| 22:47.29 | SGOrava | I saw even a reupload of some pink hell... |
| 22:47.31 | JanKusanagi | yes, yes, powerful censorship |
| 22:47.45 | JanKusanagi | you must rise up, nick2 |
| 22:47.53 | JanKusanagi | FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT |
| 22:47.54 | nick2 | KDE allows this abuse of power |
| 22:48.08 | asturm | you should get funding from the koch brothers and start your own youtube channel |
| 22:48.19 | SGOrava | nick2: make them and yourself free, send a patch which will allow user to change a provider for knewstuff |
| 22:48.21 | JanKusanagi | you gotta fight... for your right.... to uploooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaad ð¶ðµ |
| 22:48.23 | nick2 | disgusting⦠the masses of KDE are treated as cattle |
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| 22:49.06 | JanKusanagi | yes, treated as gnus or something |
| 22:49.37 | nick2 | SGOrava: this is supposed to work for decades but kept broken deliberately |
| 22:49.50 | JanKusanagi | it's all part of the plan |
| 22:49.57 | JanKusanagi | for solar system domination |
| 22:51.10 | nick2 | can KDE users use an alternative knewstuff provider short of recompilation ? |
| 22:51.12 | SGOrava | nick2: so if I understand it correctly, you want us to not use service which we build for years just because you are drunk ? |
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| 22:52.04 | SGOrava | let`s look at it from different perspective, you want to deprive people from ability to install themes, addons and whaever by few clicks |
| 22:52.15 | nick2 | I am drunk on freedom from abuse of power by the KDE powers to be. |
| 22:52.20 | SGOrava | and as replacement you propose nothing, this will never work friend |
| 22:52.41 | CarlSchwan | you can use gnome-look.org if you want ð |
| 22:52.42 | SGOrava | you need to propose "alternative" free and liberal solution |
| 22:52.57 | asturm | SGOrava: I like how you put that in quotes |
| 22:53.24 | asturm | we all know there is no escape from store.kde.org |
| 22:53.25 | nick2 | SGOrava: actually they can't . they are being offered stuffz at random, heavily censored "selections" |
| 22:53.26 | SGOrava | asturm: what is alternative now can be "upstream", "major" later |
| 22:54.15 | JanKusanagi | there is no escape! that's why I have the default wallpaper |
| 22:54.20 | nick2 | can KDE users use an alternative knewstuff provider short of recompilation ? CarlSchwan its the same thing as u well know |
| 22:54.29 | JanKusanagi | because wallpapers from store.kde.org are censored, and there's no other way to change wallpaper!! |
| 22:55.02 | asturm | nick2: impeach your binaries |
| 22:55.12 | JanKusanagi | go source, my friend! |
| 22:55.20 | JanKusanagi | I mean, be source, my friend |
| 22:55.27 | asturm | let the source be with yuo |
| 22:55.34 | nick2 | JanKusanagi: whats the point? the abuse of the masses will continue |
| 22:56.07 | JanKusanagi | that's true, hopefully some lucky humans can escape the abuse by flying to mars soon⢠|
| 22:56.19 | asturm | nick2: register a domain, spread the word |
| 22:56.32 | nick2 | asturm: : whats the point? the abuse of the masses will continue |
| 22:56.32 | SGOrava | nick2: you want to save yourself? Do not use it. You want to "save" us? Improve knewstuff and run your own service |
| 22:56.35 | JanKusanagi | spread the butter, too |
| 22:56.52 | nick2 | spread the legs⦠|
| 22:56.55 | SGOrava | we are stuck, the AI is broken, they have a long way to go |
| 22:57.03 | asturm | yes |
| 22:57.08 | CarlSchwan | store.kde.org is free software |
| 22:57.22 | CarlSchwan | ok the code is horrible but you can fork it if you want |
| 22:57.31 | JanKusanagi | xD |
| 22:57.49 | asturm | spread the butter with the fork |
| 22:57.56 | nick2 | I build a pressure group to unseat those abusers at store.kde.org they are toast! |
| 22:58.05 | nick2 | join the fight ! |
| 22:58.21 | nick2 | free the KDE masses ! |
| 22:58.49 | SGOrava | nick2: are you politician? I already told you what to do to free them. |
| 22:59.01 | nick2 | can KDE users use an alternative knewstuff provider short of recompilation ? |
| 22:59.18 | SGOrava | nick2: make it so they can |
| 22:59.29 | nick2 | how pathetic |
| 22:59.30 | SGOrava | send a patch, I will help to guide you |
| 22:59.54 | asturm | don't give them hope |
| 22:59.59 | CarlSchwan | SGOrava: you are too generous |
| 23:00.08 | asturm | they know we're drowning in soros money and just won't let them have it |
| 23:00.43 | SGOrava | CarlSchwan: Am I? I just propose real solution, I believe people will be happy to be able to use different or multiple providers for knewstuff |
| 23:01.12 | JanKusanagi | that patch would never be accepted by the nazi abusers |
| 23:01.12 | SGOrava | CarlSchwan: the whole knewstuff would become decentralized and almost unable to be blocked, free for all |
| 23:01.27 | nick2 | KDE does not give its users the power to break free from the KNEWstuff monopoly ! Abuse !! |
| 23:01.36 | SGOrava | CarlSchwan: there is a person who strongly desire such freedom, why should I close my eyes on him/her ? |
| 23:01.48 | JanKusanagi | indeed, there's no way to install anything without KNewStuff |
| 23:01.51 | JanKusanagi | NO WAY IN HELL |
| 23:02.07 | SGOrava | nick2: are you a lost case or do you want to change it? |
| 23:02.18 | JanKusanagi | this is brutal nazi fascist communist censorship! |
| 23:02.28 | JanKusanagi | SGOrava: DFTT xD |
| 23:02.32 | nick2 | SGOrava: I already looked into the sources I am serious. |
| 23:02.36 | JanKusanagi | you can HFWTT instead |
| 23:02.41 | SGOrava | if you are lost case please leave, if you want to change it continue here: https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved |
| 23:02.57 | nick2 | don't give me pathetic commonplaces mate |
| 23:03.07 | JanKusanagi | I think their attitude speaks volumes, SGOrava xD |
| 23:03.11 | asturm | hehe |
| 23:03.31 | nick2 | the KNEWstuff monopoly must be destroyed. |
| 23:03.32 | CarlSchwan | SGOrava: the problem with store.kde.org is the code quality. The entire thing run on a php framework eol for 4 years. The code is an ugly spaghetti code with tons of sql request that are more than 20 lines big |
| 23:03.44 | SGOrava | JanKusanagi: I tried, I was kind, I proposed constructive solutions |
| 23:04.03 | JanKusanagi | I see that, but I mean, you have to know you're wasting your time =) |
| 23:04.20 | nick2 | so no one ever bothered to try to even make an alternative knewstuff procvider. |
| 23:04.22 | JanKusanagi | consider saving the energy and keyboard life for something worth it =) |
| 23:04.41 | SGOrava | CarlSchwan: is it truly that beautiful, I may fall in love ? |
| 23:04.44 | CarlSchwan | I tried 4 months ago actually |
| 23:04.55 | nick2 | CarlSchwan: what? |
| 23:05.12 | nick2 | u dabbled in knewstuffz ? |
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| 23:05.47 | JanKusanagi | is that the zipped version? |
| 23:06.15 | nick2 | join the fight against Evil ! against store.kde.org monopoly ! |
| 23:06.30 | SGOrava | nick2: how are you going to fight ? |
| 23:06.30 | asturm | nick2: where can I join? |
| 23:06.31 | JanKusanagi | is it like zless vs plain less, etc? |
| 23:06.56 | JanKusanagi | where will this fight happen? on the Instagramz? Twitterz? |
| 23:07.04 | JanKusanagi | Fazistbookz? |
| 23:07.04 | asturm | infowarz |
| 23:07.09 | nick2 | join #fight_the__store_kde_org__monopoly |
| 23:07.40 | asturm | that's not really catchy |
| 23:08.05 | CarlSchwan | https://github.com/KDE/ocs-webserver/tree/master/application/modules/backend/controllers https://github.com/KDE/ocs-webserver/tree/master/application/modules/default/models |
| 23:08.15 | SGOrava | #fightforfreedom > #FFF > Fire Fire Fire |
| 23:08.26 | CarlSchwan | take a look in some of these class |
| 23:08.30 | CarlSchwan | it's just horrible |
| 23:09.08 | CarlSchwan | I should try to be productive again and continue working on cleaning up kde.org ;) bye |
| 23:09.27 | asturm | CarlSchwan: thanks for your time ;) |
| 23:09.29 | nick2 | CarlSchwan: thats the website but seems there is no way to change the provider in KDE |
| 23:10.37 | JanKusanagi | indeed, thanks for your time CarlSchwan |
| 23:10.38 | SGOrava | nick2: what are you waiting for? go and add this option, write about it, how good it is |
| 23:10.42 | JanKusanagi | loving the dark themes! =) |
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| 23:12.07 | SGOrava | nick2: you need to move, you cant just wait for other to do all the dirty work for you |
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| 23:12.33 | asturm | what came first, the provider or the knewstuff? |
| 23:13.09 | SGOrava | just shouting and polical speach will not help you in this case, this is not proprietary software where that is the only option, you have real power here, you can change the source of your problems |
| 23:13.28 | asturm | about that last bit... |
| 23:13.32 | SGOrava | no idea, I probably did not know how to use internet at that time |
| 23:13.58 | asturm | I hate how we can't get knewstuff via carrier pidgeon |
| 23:14.00 | SGOrava | asturm: the source is missing "missing code" in source code |
| 23:14.32 | asturm | :) |
| 23:15.12 | JanKusanagi | +1 to the no-pidgeon-problem |
| 23:15.31 | JanKusanagi | I demand having iconsets delivered via snail mail, or fax, or something |
| 23:15.44 | nick2 | SGOrava: the fight is now going viral |
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| 23:16.13 | JanKusanagi | I'd imagine your war declaration video has like 50 million views already |
| 23:16.22 | JanKusanagi | on YouTube.com of course |
| 23:16.35 | asturm | that's a monopoly. |
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| 23:16.58 | JanKusanagi | naaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 23:17.10 | JanKusanagi | you can clearly select your providers xDD |
| 23:17.13 | SGOrava | nick2: The next time we talk you should have prepared a patch for review. |
| 23:17.24 | JanKusanagi | you can select between Google, Alphabet... |
| 23:17.52 | JanKusanagi | are you hoping for more rounds of trolling, SGOrava? =) |
| 23:18.02 | SGOrava | but I agree, the idea of having open source totally decentralized is beautiful |
| 23:18.44 | JanKusanagi | sure |
| 23:18.59 | JanKusanagi | but this already is |
| 23:19.13 | asturm | we're organised in communities, we can agree on some url |
| 23:19.41 | SGOrava | I know, but it is also easy to block few urls |
| 23:20.35 | JanKusanagi | SGOrava: you don't seriously think anyone needs store.kde.org to distribute or to get wallpapers, themes, iconsets, right? |
| 23:21.20 | nick2 | JanKusanagi: where can I select knewstuff providers and then its actually working ? |
| 23:21.32 | SGOrava | JanKusanagi: are you crazy, it is just a shortcut / easy way / too convenient |
| 23:21.51 | SGOrava | nick2: in config file after you add such option |
| 23:22.00 | JanKusanagi | I'm not crazy, I was asking you a question |
| 23:22.00 | nick2 | KDE does not allow user freedom |
| 23:22.09 | nick2 | KDE does not allow user freedom from the MONOPOLY of power |
| 23:22.18 | JanKusanagi | KDE are evil, get as far as them as possible |
| 23:22.32 | JanKusanagi | **as far from them |
| 23:22.55 | nick2 | KDE boxed its users in. |
| 23:23.17 | nick2 | KDE boxes its users in. keep them captive in knewstuff |
| 23:23.22 | JanKusanagi | quickly, kick the door down and escape! |
| 23:23.26 | SGOrava | JanKusanagi: I know, but we were talking about knewstuff, so I naturaly disregarder other ways because they are irrelevant in this case (look the AI is at the beginning, it seems we have second generation already) |
| 23:23.28 | nick2 | KDE boxes its users in. keep them captive in knewstuff monopoly |
| 23:24.12 | *** join/#kde GWM (~GWM@unaffiliated/gwm) |
| 23:24.40 | SGOrava | nick2: are you going to stand by and shout or are you going to send that patch to make them all free ? is it that hard to make a move ? |
| 23:25.08 | asturm | they don't know how to compile or register a domain |
| 23:25.16 | nick2 | SGOrava: my patches usuall yget censored. so YES, it is hard . |
| 23:25.18 | JanKusanagi | but KNewStuff is just one of many ways (not even the only simple way) of getting stuff, it's UTTERLY RIDICULOUS to speak of monopoly in this area xD |
| 23:25.38 | JanKusanagi | since what it distributes is easily gotten 100 other ways |
| 23:25.44 | SGOrava | nick2: fork it, maintain your own version |
| 23:26.28 | hamb_urglar-M | FOOOOOOOORRRRKKKKK IIIII IIIITTTTT |
| 23:26.30 | JanKusanagi | trolls don't do hard work xD |
| 23:26.32 | nick2 | JanKusanagi: why then are they so evil guarding over thgeir monopoly ? never allow user freedom ? |
| 23:27.13 | asturm | we've rigged the system |
| 23:27.18 | nick2 | actually today I made great progress coding stuffz |
| 23:28.17 | nick2 | the KDE deep state will fight user freedom |
| 23:28.33 | asturm | make knewstuff great again please |
| 23:28.50 | nick2 | actually that group does exist but got censored |
| 23:29.11 | SGOrava | go on darkweb, why are you here on censored part of it ? |
| 23:29.33 | nick2 | I am on darnet too dude |
| 23:29.39 | nick2 | I am on darknet too dude |
| 23:29.48 | asturm | because of course you are |
| 23:29.58 | JanKusanagi | of course dude |
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| 23:33.39 | SGOrava | nick2: another option is to start your own service and redirect those few KDE urls which knewstuff is using to your own servers (don`t tell me editing /etc/hosts or running local dns server is hard) |
| 23:34.21 | nick2 | SGOrava: ha! way to go ! |
| 23:35.10 | CarlSchwan | It looks like I only banned him from the matrix side â¹ï¸ I'm not a good censurer |
| 23:35.23 | CarlSchwan | shame on me |
| 23:35.31 | nick2 | lawl |
| 23:35.37 | SGOrava | lol |
| 23:35.48 | nick2 | ban the banners |
| 23:36.05 | JanKusanagi | ban the bananers! |
| 23:36.28 | nick2 | ban the bane |
| 23:36.35 | SGOrava | nick2: well you want to "eat for free" while doing nothing, so it is natural that people ban you |
| 23:37.26 | nick2 | SGOrava: without me you'd still die from keyboard overâuse |
| 23:37.44 | asturm | but you can never kill an idea |
| 23:37.44 | nick2 | I made sure KDE got a major usability improvement |
| 23:37.46 | SGOrava | i am using keyboard to help you now.... |
| 23:38.27 | SGOrava | nick2: I am curious, can I see that patch please ? |
| 23:38.28 | nick2 | so besides url redirect there seems to be no way as of now |
| 23:38.48 | nick2 | you won't trust me even if I showed u the patch |
| 23:39.14 | SGOrava | nick2: so you do not want to make a way and you are afraid of you own creation |
| 23:39.15 | JanKusanagi | the censorers will make sure to use IP addresses now! |
| 23:39.27 | JanKusanagi | relying on a domain name is fragile! |
| 23:40.00 | nick2 | you seem to know quite a lot , dude |
| 23:40.29 | SGOrava | nick2: my humble patches: https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdevelop/merge_requests?author_username=jurajo |
| 23:41.36 | SGOrava | nick2: my patches consist of things which you will probably never use..... |
| 23:42.26 | SGOrava | nick2: where can we find your code ? |
| 23:42.52 | nick2 | what good are tooltips when they really tell you nothing? |
| 23:43.17 | SGOrava | nick2: you never came back to your code / cretion after a long time |
| 23:43.19 | nick2 | SGOrava: I post on the darknet only to break free from censorship |
| 23:43.28 | SGOrava | s/cretion/creation |
| 23:44.09 | JanKusanagi | I hope this "darknet" has dark themes, unlike the very white WWW =) |
| 23:44.09 | *** join/#kde Lupara (~jason@58x158x159x234.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) |
| 23:44.18 | nick2 | sure, like http://fossilrepos.sourceforge.net/srv.fsl/450/wiki?name=plaintextPage |
| 23:44.33 | SGOrava | JanKusanagi: whole web is dark when run in dark terminal |
| 23:45.02 | JanKusanagi | or with the proper browser extension, sure |
| 23:45.24 | JanKusanagi | (a dark terminal can still show a bright background) |
| 23:45.28 | nick2 | freedom is in the dark net only |
| 23:45.39 | SGOrava | nick2: sourceforge... like "with our adware your software will thrive" |
| 23:45.46 | JanKusanagi | so go there, please =) |
| 23:45.57 | JanKusanagi | go to "Dark IRC" xD |
| 23:46.02 | JanKusanagi | join #darkkde or something |
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| 23:47.55 | SGOrava | nick2: there is freedom of choice, so if you do not want to help (at least a bit) can you leave ? |
| 23:48.27 | nick2 | the captive hate the freeâminded people |
| 23:48.35 | nick2 | the captive hate the freeâminded people like myself |
| 23:49.08 | nick2 | some suffer from Stockholmâsyndrome in KDE |
| 23:49.11 | JanKusanagi | this would be the first troll to leave on request on the history of the planet |
| 23:49.17 | JanKusanagi | =) |
| 23:49.55 | nick2 | the KDE deep state fights user freedom |
| 23:50.34 | nick2 | join our #fight |
| 23:50.40 | JanKusanagi | MWAHAHAHAAA |
| 23:51.28 | SGOrava | from my understanding, KDE is "just a group of people with similar opinions", so start your own community |
| 23:51.33 | nick2 | first they laugh ⦠then u win |
| 23:52.05 | nick2 | all I want is to break the evil store.kde.org monopoly |
| 23:52.24 | nick2 | they hate me for my freedoms |
| 23:52.27 | SGOrava | nick2: send a patch |
| 23:52.47 | nick2 | the patch will be rejected by the monopoly |
| 23:52.58 | SGOrava | fork it |
| 23:53.10 | SGOrava | and amke it better |
| 23:53.29 | nick2 | not convenient for the masses |
| 23:53.31 | SGOrava | since it will be rejected, why are you even here ? |
| 23:53.58 | nick2 | the struggle has gone viral already. We win ! store loses ! |
| 23:54.04 | SGOrava | but good for you, why to bother with masses ? |
| 23:54.18 | SGOrava | do not use it |
| 23:54.28 | nick2 | the KDE masses revolt against the store monopoly |
| 23:54.57 | SGOrava | install things from file (there is such an option) or isntall it manually (yeah, you can do it by the almost forgotten old school way) |
| 23:55.33 | nick2 | that still keeps the masses captive to the store monopoly. Free the KDE masses ! |
| 23:55.44 | SGOrava | so what do you propose ? |
| 23:55.50 | nick2 | revolt ! |
| 23:56.16 | SGOrava | that is just to have a holiday, not a solution |
| 23:56.18 | nick2 | mass uprising |
| 23:56.44 | nick2 | attack the centres of power headâon ! |
| 23:56.53 | SGOrava | again, you just want to control masses of people, how is this different from what you are fighting against ? |
| 23:57.30 | nick2 | bs. the people will fight of their own volition |
| 23:57.39 | SGOrava | and what after you "attack" ? will you get something more than you can get now (open source software) |
| 23:57.55 | SGOrava | OK, so you win, what will you do ? |
| 23:57.56 | nick2 | we get a free store for the masses |
| 23:58.20 | SGOrava | it will be one store again, controlled by you ? |
| 23:58.35 | SGOrava | how is that different from current solution ? |
| 23:58.48 | JanKusanagi | I hope there's nobody around who actually needs help |
| 23:58.57 | SGOrava | you want to fight against monopoly and after you destroy it you want to establish your own monopoly |
| 23:58.57 | JanKusanagi | you know, the main reason for this channel |
| 23:59.15 | JanKusanagi | because with all this offtopic... |
| 23:59.16 | SGOrava | i know |
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| 23:59.46 | SGOrava | JanKusanagi: Thank you for reminding me, I shall go to have some beauty sleep :D |
| 23:59.55 | JanKusanagi | =) |