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00:12.30digital_mystik-Mhello.. does anyone use JuK for music? I have noticed that it reloads my whole library which can take a little while.. it will load faster if I quit/reopen in the same session. Is there a way to speed it up through caching? I think it does it to some extent anyway.. it might be reloading since I clear cache occasionally but not 100% sure about that
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00:29.19JanKusanagisounds like a real possibility
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01:58.52Manjaro-3828Just installed Manjaro. Used linux off and on for about a year but I recall there being default global media key shortcuts. I only have global shortcuts for Volume up/down. Any way to set it globally the same for next/previous media?
01:59.31Manjaro-3828Forgot, KDE version is 1.18.3
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02:00.33Manjaro-3828or 19.08.3
02:09.26JanKusanagifor the record, "KDE" is a group of people, no versions there
02:10.13JanKusanagiand for your question the relevant version would be the version of Plasma Desktop, but seeing how you have Applications 19.08.x, I guess your Plasma is recent
02:11.15JanKusanaginext/previous media shortcuts would be a setting of the media plasmoid, I guess
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02:12.48JanKusanagithere's a "Media Controller" component under Global Shortcuts, in Plasma's system settings
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02:29.47Manjaro-3828Thanks but I don't see "media controller". https://i.imgur.com/WeVD5Lc.png
02:30.37Manjaro-3828Sorry I didn't reply right away, I was busy searching
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02:34.15JanKusanagilook at the one called "system settings" just in case
02:35.41Manjaro-3828There's only 3 and it's touchpad related. Maybe relevant but I'm using the "minimal" Manjaro install. Maybe there's some services it didn't install that KDE might normally come with?
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02:37.13JanKusanagiwell, Plasma doesn't necessarily "come with" anything, but if you did a minimal install, you're probably missing many plasmoids
02:37.17JanKusanagiincluding that one
02:38.25Manjaro-3828Ah, so what would be the relevant plasmoid?
02:38.32JanKusanagimy org.kde.plasma.mediacontroller plasmoid comes from the plasma-workspace-5.17.3-1.mga8 so assuming it's the same in your distribution, you should alerady have it
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02:40.25jankusanagi_>> my org.kde.plasma.mediacontroller plasmoid comes from the plasma-workspace-5.17.3-1.mga8 so assuming it's the same in your distribution, you should alerady have it
02:41.15Manjaro-3828Ok. I searched and it seems widgets and plasmoids are the same according to one source so I was adding a mediaplayer widget to the panel
02:43.01Manjaro-3828Whatever the case, seems this is a bad choice on manjaro. Global media forward/next shortcuts should be default
02:43.23jankusanagi_everybody has their own opinion about defaults
02:43.32jankusanagi_a single size can never fit all
02:45.33Manjaro-3828For now I just made a DBus media key shortcut for spotify. Is this optimal? Or what KDE does? I just don't want to screw my system up or make it non-performant
02:48.02jankusanagi_if Spotify uses the MPRIS standard, Plasma's Media Player widget should be more than enough
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02:50.37Manjaro-3828Thanks. Now if one were to assign mouse clicks to key presses, what's the most performant/best/optimal way globally? I'm currently using xdotool. Last question, I won't bug you any more
02:50.54Manjaro-3828reverse that, key presses to mouse clicks
02:51.00jankusanagi_I have no idea about that... I'd just use the media player widget xD
02:51.21jankusanagi_(I don't use it because my player already supports its own global shortcuts)
02:51.56Manjaro-3828Well, said I won't bug you but what's your media player?
02:52.21sarnold:D
02:52.30jankusanagi_QMMP
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02:54.52Manjaro-3828Wow, haven't heard of that one in a long time. I'm using SMPlayer since I'd like one for all media since I'm not very cognitively flexible, and did the same DBus shortcut as spotify
02:57.06Manjaro-3828Anyway, thanks to all here if you're a dev. Much enjoying KDE
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03:09.54jankusanagi_Plasma =)
03:13.22Manjaro-3828Corrected. Although I've always historically heard it called kde, hard to get used to
03:14.37jankusanagi_the desktop has been called Plasma for well over 10 years xD
03:16.15Manjaro-3828Well, I'm old. Started with Mandrake in 2002. Been off again, on relationship with linux since. Too cognitively inflexible to deal with CLI much so I stuck with Windows
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03:19.16jankusanagi_aaah, the old CLI myth =)
03:22.30Manjaro-3828I look at it as an accessibility feature. Some of us are better at discovery through visuals. But I can't remember a damn thing. Seems every time I use linux the CLI programs change and my old scripts no longer work. The old tried/true ls always works but for example, key reassigning apps have changed so much through the years and distros
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04:06.08contrapunctusKDE Plasma v5.14.5, KDE Frameworks v5.54.0 on Debian 10. When I set `Super-n` and `Super-p` to task switching (forward and back), I'm unable to scroll further with repeated presses of `n` and `p` while Super is held. How can I fix this?
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04:30.58contrapunctusAlso, when I use 'Find' in Dolphin, all items under 'More options' are greyed out. Why is this? O.o
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04:33.10contrapunctusOh, I had to enable File Search. Might be good if the user is given a hint about it 🤔
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04:52.40Manjaro-3828"more options" is also grayed out for me but I clicked around a few times and so not anymore. Mostly new install
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08:11.05contrapunctusThe content search in Dolphin doesn't return any results at all...the same query in KFind returns many results, but KFind doesn't seem to search in LibreOffice documents. Is there anything that does?
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09:02.47TetrisApprenticeWhat can I do if my acreen goes black, still see the mouse, but nothing's usable, and plasmashell is at 100% cpu? On 5.12
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11:49.57BluesKajHiyas all
11:50.06contrapunctusBluesKaj: hey!
11:50.21contrapunctus(##linux?)
11:51.23BluesKajhi contrapunctus
11:52.15BluesKajcontrapunctus,  what about ##linux ?
11:53.21contrapunctusIt's where I think I remember you from 😄
11:54.01BluesKajok
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12:29.37rindolfBluesKaj: hi, sup?
12:31.03BluesKajrindolf,  same ol' , and you?
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12:32.05rindolfBluesKaj: inkscaped this - https://www.shlomifish.org/humour.html#cast_an_American_actress
12:35.31BluesKajrindolf, cool ;-)
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12:37.41rindolfBluesKaj: it is 800px instead of 400px tho
12:40.38rindolfBluesKaj: fixed now - https://www.shlomifish.org/humour.html#cast_an_American_actress - hit reload
12:41.04rindolfapparently my fedora sysetm lacks some fonts
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13:37.13garotosopaAnyone using MPD with Cantata? I'm trying to use the "originaldate" tag as described in an issue earlier this year but it doesn't seem supported by MPD. https://github.com/CDrummond/cantata/issues/1472#issuecomment-487836993
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17:24.34contrapunctusShould I file a bug report about this? "The content search in Dolphin doesn't return any results at all...the same query in KFind returns many results, but KFind doesn't seem to return any LibreOffice documents."
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17:39.40rindolfcontrapunctus: hi
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17:45.32contrapunctusrindolf: hi
17:46.40rindolfcontrapunctus: did you try adding asterisks before and after?
17:47.21rindolflike *rainbowdash*
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17:49.51contrapunctusrindolf: does content search in KFind and Dolphin use different engines? O.o
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17:50.26contrapunctusI'll try that when I get back to a laptop, but I find it odd if this works
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17:50.41rindolfcontrapunctus: no idea
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18:31.50cosimonehello everyone, basic question: where do kde applications such as konsole and konversation save their settings? i tried looking in ~/.local/share/ and ~/kde4/, but i couldn't find konversation's settings
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18:32.09SGOrava.config
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18:33.21SGOravabut this is KDE what we are talking about, setting/configuration is split between many files and directories, sometimes it is hard even for me to find the right one
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18:36.50jankusanagi_the only relevant user directories are ~/.config/ and ~/.local/
18:37.13jankusanagi_another XDG standard, ~/.cache/ is used, but the name speaks for itself
18:37.53SGOravathat is true but it is challenge for me to find the right config or directory there :D
18:38.14jankusanagi_well, usually it's just a matter of searching for the program's name xD
18:39.28cosimoneuhm... i still fail to find something that looks like it's an actual configuration file
18:39.29SGOravafor me that is rare case, in KDevelop it is split into many many directories...
18:40.01cosimoneyes, if there is one thing i don't like about the entire kde suite as a whole is that configuration files seem to be badly organized
18:41.11SGOravacosimone: so you want konsole: ~/.config/konsolerc and ~/.local/share/konsole/*
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18:41.39SGOravai do not use konverasation
18:42.11SGOravacosimone: that is a price for reusing same thing in many programs, the parts have a bit more generic name...
18:42.16jankusanagi_it's, surprise surprise, the same with Konversation
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18:43.53cosimoneSGOrava: thank you for the answer, but i don't have that konsole file: for me it's actually ~/.local/share/konsole/
18:44.49SGOravai mentioned that too, it probably depends on what you search for, konsole has many options
18:46.03jankusanagi_~/.local/share/konsole is *exactly* what SGOrava mentioned
18:46.03aptjankusanagi_: okay
18:46.06SGOravaat worst locate is your friend
18:46.17jankusanagi_which follows the XDG standard
18:46.26SGOravajankusanagi_: well I added * as for all config files there
18:46.31jankusanagi_I'd use "find" instead
18:46.49jankusanagi_it's still exactly what you mentioned xD
18:46.50SGOravai am not good with that yet
18:46.53jankusanagi_the * isn't a great leap
18:46.58cosimonejankusanagi_: sorry, i missed that, i thought it was ~/.config/konsolerc only, my bad
18:47.17SGOravaall is fine
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20:14.15contrapunctusbaloo_file_extractor processes keep using up 400% CPU (and grow in RAM usage until they get OOM killed), balooctl suspend and stop both just stop them and start them again seconds later 😒
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20:41.06Shadow53-Mcontrapunctus: did you try balooctl disable?
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23:32.44v6lurHi! Has anyone seen that a certain application (subtitlecomposer in my case) just won't honour the InitialPreference setting in its .desktop file? (running Arch, with KDE Framework 5.64 / applications 19.08)
23:34.03v6luri have set vlc to have InitialPreference=10 for basically all multimedia, and subtitlecomposer to 8 for a subset of mimetypes, and another app (handbrake) at 5 for another subset
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23:34.38v6lurif only vlc and handbrake are installed (or their .desktop files present), all works as expected
23:35.42v6lurhowever as soon as subtitlecomposer .desktop file is there, it steals the "top spot" for its supported mimetypes
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