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| 02:12.22 | HiddenTundra | Hey all, I have a dumb question |
| 02:13.49 | HiddenTundra | And now I'm going to not ask it because I found my answer. Nevermind, sorry to trouble |
| 02:14.52 | sarnold | sometimes the rubber ducky can be *very* helpful :) |
| 02:14.55 | sarnold | hehehe |
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| 02:17.38 | HiddenTundra | Yeah, usually a sacrafice is needed first though. None of those tonight though. Which is good too. I'm presently short on supplies |
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| 02:28.24 | truexfan81 | HiddenTundra: believe it or not i've actually had issues with mpv player magically fix themselves after i complain about it in #mpv so then i have to go back and tell them "nevermind" hehe |
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| 11:21.01 | xacktm | hello, does anyknow know the _WM_CLASS_NAMEs of the kickoff menu and system tray expando? I'm trying to get around an xmonad compatibility bug and need their class names, but I can't click on them with `xprop` obviously https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/174 I added the two class names mentioned here, but they don't cover kickoff/systray expando |
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| 11:24.52 | xacktm | and just in case, `xprop` lets you get the window info https://www.reddit.com/r/i3wm/comments/8ms1ym/how_do_i_find_out_the_class_for_an_application_to/ |
| 11:34.35 | xacktm | nvm found it, `plasmashell` |
| 11:34.48 | xacktm | at the top of the bug report |
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| 11:35.16 | xacktm | how would you get it without cheating though? |
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| 11:46.19 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:37.02 | depesz | hi. i have kde desktop running debian stable and kde from it (not sure which package to check for versions, plasma-desktop is 5.14.5.1). |
| 12:37.38 | asturm | depesz: well, your version of plasma is 5.14.5.1 if you are talking about your desktop |
| 12:38.18 | asturm | if you are talking about an application, check the application's version |
| 12:38.22 | depesz | the problem is that startup of kde is slow - up to 30 seconds of black screen with just logo in the middle, and "plasma made by kde" in lower right corner. |
| 12:38.33 | depesz | the question is: how can i debug what is causing this delay, and fix it? |
| 12:38.55 | IHaveTerminalAID | Rop triste |
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| 13:05.39 | Bitterblue | depesz: htop and/or iotop, for starters. |
| 13:07.05 | depesz | Bitterblue: how? this hapepns before I get environment. |
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| 13:07.41 | depesz | well, i could run *top on text console. |
| 13:07.50 | Bitterblue | Exactly. |
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| 13:14.00 | depesz | nothing really there. |
| 13:14.11 | depesz | there was dropbox, but i disabled it, and the problem is still there. |
| 13:18.33 | DavidRedondo | Maybe you can run systemd-analyze and find any culprits |
| 13:19.43 | DavidRedondo | with "systemd-analyze plot" you get a nice svg image to make finding a problematic service easier |
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| 13:21.51 | depesz | but systemd analyzes boot time, doesn't it? |
| 13:22.10 | depesz | boot of system works ok. just starting kde takes non-trivial time. |
| 13:26.42 | asturm | 30 seconds sounds suspiciously like dbus timeout |
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| 13:27.23 | depesz | ok, but how can I debug it? |
| 13:27.25 | depesz | and fix |
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| 13:43.18 | depesz | i logged dbus-monitor --system while kde was starting. |
| 13:43.26 | depesz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.14 | jankusanagi_ | have you checked if a new user logs in quickly? |
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| 14:36.53 | depesz | no. good idea. testing. |
| 14:39.11 | depesz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.49 | jankusanagi_ | might be Baloo indexing stuff |
| 14:39.58 | jankusanagi_ | doesn't the splash screen go away if you click? |
| 14:40.22 | depesz | no |
| 14:40.30 | depesz | i mean the splash screen |
| 14:41.08 | depesz | i don't seem to have any processes names *bal* |
| 14:41.19 | jankusanagi_ | well, I guess you can set the splash screen to "none" to be able to see when the panel appears, when the wallpaper appears, etc |
| 14:41.40 | depesz | file search is disabled in settings |
| 14:43.02 | jankusanagi_ | you could check if it's just "plasmashell" that's slow to start, by stopping it (from a Konsole window) with kquitapp5, and then launching it again from there ("plasmashell &" would work) |
| 14:43.19 | depesz | with splash none it starts, and is usable almost instantly |
| 14:43.40 | jankusanagi_ | then maybe it's just the splash screen that's not hiding quickly enough |
| 14:44.19 | jankusanagi_ | could be a D-Bus timeout like asturm said =) |
| 14:44.31 | depesz | yeah, but on what? |
| 14:44.41 | depesz | this is clean install of debian buster |
| 14:45.37 | depesz | disabled splash screen on my main account and its fast and usable immediately |
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| 17:38.50 | nerdnils | sarnold, remember me? |
| 17:40.20 | nerdnils | sarnold, ktorrent just tried to load one of the two torrents again fatrace|grep $torrentname was running but returned nothing |
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| 17:43.26 | nerdnils | i will never get rid of those two torrents -.- |
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| 19:13.07 | jaggz | https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kdesdk/kompare/diff-settings.html#exclude |
| 19:13.18 | jaggz | who writes this stuff? it's like a programmer didn't write it |
| 19:13.33 | jaggz | so they're wildcards.. do they match dirs too? |
| 19:13.54 | jaggz | what if I want to exclude a dir and everything in it? |
| 19:14.29 | jaggz | (coders often have to spend their time coding.. so documentation comes second.. a lot of kde projects really have anemic docs though) |
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| 19:33.42 | rindolf | jaggz: https://blog.codinghorror.com/learn-to-read-the-source-luke/ |
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| 19:37.37 | jaggz | rindolf, lol |
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| 19:43.50 | rindolf | jaggz: it is funny but true |
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| 20:37.13 | buyaka | Hello all, q: I have dual monitor setup with Kubuntu 19.10, when I press the Windows/Meta key it opens the K[?] menu on the secondary display instead of the second. I've already changed active window to follow mouse focus |
| 20:37.17 | buyaka | any suggestions? |
| 20:37.31 | buyaka | sorry .. instead of the primary display |
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| 20:39.24 | mgnad78 | Hey guys i wanted to ask if someone experience the same bug like me. If i start an terminal using krunner (alt+f2) and the command line addition i don't get the XDG environment variables set besides XDG_DATA_DIRS. This on the other hand makes most applications using pulse not work. If i start the same terminal from the start menu / search inside of the start menu all works fine. |
| 20:41.16 | rindolf | mgnad78: maybe it uses a different cmd line invocation |
| 20:41.48 | mgnad78 | maybe i am just asking if someone else can confirm or not because who knows it might be a bug on my system |
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| 20:50.23 | Shadow53-M | mgnad78: By terminal, do you mean konsole? IIRC Plasma uses a special program for running KDE applications, something like kinit or something. Could be that sets the various environment variables |
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| 21:12.34 | JackHistoria | Hello KDE experts. I am trying to start a proper VNC session on kde xorg via tigervnc. Took me a while to got it running - now I got a proper resolution, dolphin is started with ### dbus-launch startplasma-x11 ### in the xstartup file but the Task panel and the desktop is not appearing. Is there a command I can trigger to start the panel and the desktop or should i file a bug or anything else? I already tried kstart5 plasmashell but |
| 21:12.35 | JackHistoria | that doesn't doone anything. |
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| 21:13.27 | JackHistoria | The desktop runs perfectly fine without vnc started by sddm (arch linux) kde plasma |
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| 21:44.06 | mgnad78 | Shadow53 -> Alt+F2 to run krunner -> than you do any command line as you like (command line plugin for krunner) -> i use urxvt |
| 21:44.26 | mgnad78 | in this urxvt you type -> export | grep -i xdg |
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| 21:45.03 | mgnad78 | this environmental variables differ from the once you get when you start the urxvt in the kmenu or using the kmenu -> search function |
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| 21:46.57 | mgnad78 | since the xdg variables aren't set correctly basically most pulseaudio applications are broken cause they rely on XDG_RUNTIME_DIR set for the socket of pulseaudio in a user session |
| 21:47.30 | Shadow53-M | mgnad78: After a little more searching, I figured out kdeinit is the program I was thinking of. |
| 21:47.31 | Shadow53-M | I get the sense they wouldn't be calling kdeinit to start urxvt though. If you try editing the menu entry for it (right clicking on it should give the option), are there any options selected that might make a difference? |
| 21:47.35 | mgnad78 | so ALT+F2 -> pavucontrol will for example not work |
| 21:48.13 | mgnad78 | no |
| 21:48.37 | mgnad78 | there are no additional settings in the menu start entry |
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