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03:37.01KokpitHello, how do I move the location of the kde fedora top bar to the buttom?
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03:55.43JanKusanagihuh?
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03:57.50KokpitThis one: https://ibb.co/5jVsqzL
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04:08.52JanKusanagifor future reference: in Plasma, that's called a panel
04:10.23JanKusanagito move it, you need to unlock widgets, then click the "configure panel" button all the way on the right side to enter panel edit mode
04:10.30JanKusanagiand then drag the "Screen edge" button
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04:55.34KokpitJanKusanagi, I have a strange issue, when I stand on the very right button on the panel, I can see the "configure panel" but when I move the mouse cursor over to it , the option disappears
05:01.02JanKusanagithat's not an option, that's a tooltip
05:01.09JanKusanagiyou just need to click the BUTTON
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09:00.32johanhelsing-Manyone else having trouble with a scrollbar suddenly appearing on the left hand side in konsole?
09:00.58johanhelsing-MIt's obscuring the text, so I can't read the first character of each line
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09:17.11ws2k3anyone managed to get flux to work in kde? it crashes when it try's to adjust the colour
09:18.54jdb-M1Try System Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Night Color. It's natively available in plasma
09:23.04ws2k3jdb-M1: hmm i cant find it lol xD
09:23.19ws2k3im under display and monitor but i dont see night mode
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09:27.15jdb-M1ws2k3: That's odd. It should be the last option in the Display and Monitor panel after Gamma
09:27.53ws2k3jdb-M1: i also dont see Gamma :P
09:28.39jdb-M1ws2k3: What is your plasma version? (plasmashell --version)
09:28.57ws2k3jdb-M1: 5.12.9
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09:30.58ws2k3jdb-M1: this is all i have https://i.stack.imgur.com/KkMdS.png*
09:32.46jdb-M1ws2k3: Unfortunately it wasn't added for X11 until plasmashell 5.17
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09:34.40asturmuse redshift and plasma-redshift-control for earlier plasma versions
09:34.45jdb-M1ws2k3: I otherwise don't have any experience with f.lux, sorry!
09:34.52ws2k3jdb-M1:  what do you mean x11?
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09:37.00ws2k3jdb-M1:  cause here they report it already for kde plasma 5.11
09:37.10asturmonly with wayland sessions
09:37.35asturmyou don't want to enter a wayland session though with the versions you are running
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09:38.24jdb-M1ws2k3: X11 and Wayland are display servers. Wayland received Night Color support in 5.11, X11 got it in 5.17. asturm's solution should work wonderfully for you, though
09:39.06ws2k3jdb-M1: yeah i will go that way but i was just interested in x11 vs waylands what is exacly is or means
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09:41.35jdb-M1ws2k3: Try checking out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_server
09:43.46asturmtl;dr: X11 is what we have been using for decades, wayland is the replacement protocol that has been in the making for years
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09:56.39ws2k3installed redshift and the widget says its installed but i dont see redshift anywhere.
09:57.00asturmredshift is a daemon that needs to be running
09:57.42ws2k3asturm: i cant find redshift in the search box
09:59.14ws2k3asturm: correction when i search for redshift i do find run redshift. when i hit that my screen blinks a bit but other then that. nothing happens
10:00.18asturmbecause it needs to be run as a service
10:00.52asturmyou're probably using systemd, so it would be `systemctl enable redshift` or similar
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10:10.41ws2k3systemctl enable redshift Failed to enable unit: Unit file redshift.service does not exist.
10:11.16ws2k3apt-get install redshift redshift is already the newest version (1.11-1ubuntu1)
10:11.40asturmwell, it exists here
10:12.06asturmlatest version wuold actually be 1.12 by upstream
10:14.20ws2k3im on ubuntu 18.04
10:18.54afx_hello everyone ! on random times plasmashell terminates. Can someone please help me find the root cause of this ?
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10:40.13ws2k3are there any hotkeys in kde to lower or raise the sounds volume?
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12:27.58ws2k3are there any hotkeys in kde to lower or raise the sounds volume?
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12:31.31xyquadrat-Mws2k3: You can assign them in Settings->Shortcuts->Global Shortcuts
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12:42.17BluesKajHowdy all
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12:52.40ws2k3xyquadrat-M: which component should i pick in the list?
12:53.09ws2k3xyquadrat-M:  or should i add one?
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13:02.01xyquadrat-Mws2k3: There should be a "Volume" one...
13:03.24ws2k3xyquadrat-M:  not sure what i should do https://external-preview.redd.it/TF7TTdT99_xSjMoJgi50yu0P9E7KiRCa7al2ZSYDk5c.png?width=887&auto=webp&s=fc0128e3f69438ecdc50b4d08271fc16585d9a7f
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13:04.07xyquadrat-Mws2k3 Select "Audio Volume"
13:04.26xyquadrat-MThen assign a shortcut to "raise volume" or "lower volume"
13:04.28SGOravaHello, is there a good task manager (best frontend of taskwarrior) for/by kde (no plasma) ?
13:04.37xyquadrat-MMaybe there is also one already
13:04.53ws2k3xyquadrat-M:  i dont have audio volume ^^ this is a screenshot form the internet
13:05.29xyquadrat-Mws2k3: Oh. Now that is unusual...
13:07.00JanKusanagiare you in some kind of minimal Plasma install, without plasma-pa installed?
13:10.27ws2k3JanKusanagi: maby....
13:10.39ws2k3JanKusanagi:   plasma-pa : Depends: pulseaudio-module-gconf but it is not going to be installed
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13:15.44JanKusanagisounds like your OS is a little broken xD
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13:56.55ws2k3xyquadrat-M: JanKusanagi got plasma-pa installed now
13:57.25ws2k3but still no audio in the system settings maby i need to restart something?
13:58.11BluesKajcheck your alsamixer automute setting , make sure it's disabled
13:58.38BluesKajws2k3,^
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14:10.36ws2k3BluesKaj: the issue i cant assign a hotkey to get higher/lower volume sounds itself works
14:12.12BluesKajws2k3, depending on the player sometimes up/down arrow keys work with the volume ctl
14:18.06ws2k3BluesKaj: JanKusanagi xyquadrat-M it works now after i rebooted
14:18.10ws2k3still struggeling to get redshift widget to work
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14:23.31JanKusanagicool =)
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16:14.28thelukeHellou
16:16.48SGOravawelcome
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16:57.15thelukeOkay, kubuntu 19.10, kde plasma 5.16.5. When starting any wm other than kde, I get a black screen with no cursor. I know it's technically probably a xorg problem, but nonetheless... Also had that happen with SDDM previously so I'm only using tty login now.
16:58.22jankusanagi_if Plasma stars OK, that's more of a question for your distribution's channels, I think
16:58.51thelukeYou're right
16:59.12jankusanagi_I guess there's a #kubuntu channel nearby
16:59.48thelukeYeah, but I figured I'd try in a few other channels because they're kinda unresponsive. A lot of afkers.
17:00.22jankusanagi_these things require patience =)
17:00.50thelukeit's been something like an hour and a half, man
17:01.28SGOravamaybe even they dont know
17:01.39thelukePossible
17:01.46thelukeI also asked in #xorg but no one replied anything there
17:02.14thelukeI mean, I'm guessing kde is doing something which makes xorg display correctly
17:02.27jankusanagi_(Plasma ;)
17:02.43thelukeI don't get it
17:03.04jankusanagi_KDE is people, the people who make the Plasma Desktop and a lot of other software =)
17:03.06SGOravawell, first check xorg logs from the black screens
17:03.12thelukeAhhh, okay
17:03.19thelukeSGOrava: smart
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17:04.14SGOravathan try to provide a bit more information, like, when you are starting new wm (window manager like i3, awesome, openbox, fluxbox...), is it configured or blank
17:04.34thelukeConfigured
17:05.07thelukeI tried hlwm and i3wm and the thing I did with i3wm was that I started firefox with it and switched to another tty and checked htop... And it was running
17:05.13thelukeSo, I don't know what to make of it
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17:05.38SGOravaalso check some autostart files if there is anything blocking the start of your regular services (it happened to me, everything was perfect only some non installed program broke my start procedure)
17:06.11thelukeWhere would I check the autostart files
17:06.28SGOravaif you dont know you can scratch that
17:07.01thelukenothing in xorg logs
17:07.07SGOravajankusanagi_: even I call KDE Plasma as KDE Desktop Environment :D
17:07.15thelukelol
17:07.18thelukeLed diode
17:07.21thelukelcd display
17:07.24jankusanagi_well, that's just incorrect =)
17:07.56thelukejankusanagi_: classy haha
17:08.27thelukeSo, doesn't KDE stand for K desktop environment?
17:08.28SGOravajankusanagi_: I know now, it just comes naturaly from the Ubuntu analogy (Ubuntu > Unity, Xubuntu > XFCE, Lubuntu > LXDE/LXQT, Kubuntu > KDE) :D
17:08.51thelukePetition to rename kubuntu to pubuntu
17:08.53thelukeLOL
17:09.04jankusanagi_theluke: KDE doesn't stand for anything, hasn't for many many many years
17:09.37jankusanagi_Kubuntu is still a distribution built around software made *by* KDE, mainly the Plasma Desktop
17:09.46SGOravatheluke: than it should work correctly if there is no error
17:09.47jankusanagi_but also Dolphin, Konsole, Gwenview...
17:10.01thelukeKonversation
17:10.14thelukeSGOrava: but it isn't
17:11.33SGOravatheluke: I never experienced such situation, without proper logs or error messages I am unable to help you much more
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17:12.08BitterblueAnything different in the X logs compared to when you start Plasma?
17:12.40thelukeNope
17:15.06BitterblueWhat if you start something like Xterm instead of a window manager?
17:15.40thelukeBitterblue: let me try and I"ll be back
17:16.52thelukeSame
17:16.55thelukeJust a black screen
17:17.44SGOravado you have by any chance multimonitor setup ?
17:17.55BitterblueIs the screen actually on?
17:18.06thelukeHow would I test that
17:18.31SGOravaBitterblue: you are killing me, lol
17:19.16thelukeIt's f=in on
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17:19.39BitterblueMaybe just the backlight is off or very low?
17:19.52thelukeTested it
17:19.53thelukenope
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17:20.51BitterblueTry a different video driver?
17:21.02thelukeI haven't tried that yet
17:21.36jankusanagi_it Plasma starts, considering it uses OpenGL all over the place, I doubt video drivers are an issue
17:22.10jankusanagi_these things you're trying to start, are you launching startx from a tty? have you stopped SDDM before?
17:22.27thelukeSDDM has been uninstalled
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17:22.30thelukeBecause it had the same issue
17:22.32thelukejust a black screen
17:22.49thelukeSo, yes, I just launch startx from a tty
17:24.19jankusanagi_ah, SDDM didn't work? so you start Plasma from a tty too, and that works?
17:24.29thelukeYes
17:24.33thelukeI start plasma from tty
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17:24.50thelukeexec startkde in xinitrc
17:24.55alschaapmanI've got a really annoying problem with Konversation that I'm hoping someone could enlighten me about
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17:25.33SGOravaalschaapman: try to elaborate, it if it is too complex fill report at bugs.kde.org
17:25.57alschaapmanI'm regularly experiencing really high lag during IRC sessions. For quite a while I thought it was my internet connection, but I'm really thinking now that it's got to be the client
17:26.52thelukealschaapman: maybe check what server it's connecting to
17:27.00alschaapmanAfter I've been connected for a while the lag just creeps way up; I'm talking like a minute or so. Status message in the bottom says e.g. "No answer from chat.freenode.net for more than 30 seconds."
17:27.21alschaapmanSometimes it gets so high that my connection actually times out and I get disconnected from freenode
17:27.36alschaapmanI could not find anything like this in the bug tracker
17:28.36jankusanagi_never had any issues like that, if you leave a Konsole window with something like "ping google.com", so you get all replies?
17:28.40jankusanagi_*do you
17:28.40alschaapmanJust now my lag skyrocketed to 122 s
17:28.48alschaapmanTWO MINUTES of lag. What on earth
17:28.57alschaapmanI thought I was going to get disconnected
17:29.37alschaapmanjankusanagi_: That's why I say I've come to think it's the client. Network performance generally is pretty normal
17:30.26jankusanagi_I've used Konversation for many years, through many versions, with really crappy connections, and still never experienced that xD
17:30.32alschaapmanSometimes performance isn't the best in my bedroom here, but moving closer to the access point where the signal is better doesn't seem to make any difference at all vis-a-vis this issue cropping up.
17:30.48jankusanagi_ah, wifi... yikes xD
17:31.11SGOravawifi, wifi drivers, did you perform any update before the issue started ?
17:31.38SGOravait can also be picky router, my own is crappy and plays dead after a while...
17:33.46alschaapmanThis is happening for some time with Konversation, so I'm sure it was several versions. KDE applications have been updated a couple times in the last ~month, no?
17:34.03jankusanagi_what you've updated depends on your distribution and you
17:34.05alschaapmanI'm using Arch
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17:34.53alschaapmanPretty sure Arch always gets the latest KDE everything within a few days of the upstream release
17:35.49jankusanagi_Konversation releases standalone
17:37.53tanriol-MI've seen problems with Intel wifi cards recently that showed up as frequent disconnects and/or long (multiple seconds) delays. That one was a Linux 5.1 regression. May be a good idea to check whether the same happens with wired connection.
17:38.57alschaapmanWow, you're not kidding. No Konversation update since mid-2018
17:39.00alschaapmanI stand corrected
17:39.22tanriol-Mtheluke: What's your GPU - Intel, Nvidia, AMD? Both Intel and something else?
17:39.47alschaapmanI did happen to notice just a moment ago while that lag timer was climbing that I was still getting new join messages on another channel. Maybe that means the lag timer is actually giving me bad information?
17:40.13jankusanagi_do you actually experience any lag? xD
17:40.15alschaapmanIt *does not* go up if chat messages are coming in, as far as I can tell
17:40.23jankusanagi_I mean, one notices these things
17:40.44alschaapmanjankusanagi_: Yeah, I've wondered about that. It's a bit hard to tell when people are actually *not* talking on IRC
17:41.05jankusanagi_well, ATM people are talking here, at a reasonable pace
17:41.09jankusanagi_do you experience any lag?
17:41.17alschaapmanIt does appear, though, that after the lag coming back down, several messages tend to come in at a time. Hard to say for sure
17:41.28jankusanagi_do you happen to recieve 20 messages at once after a minute with nothing?
17:42.52alschaapmanI think so?
17:43.01alschaapmanIt's going up right now. Spam a few lines if you can see this
17:43.15jankusanagi_blah
17:43.17jankusanagi_bleh
17:43.18jankusanagi_blih
17:43.22jankusanagi_test, etc
17:43.24jankusanagi_and so on
17:43.26jankusanagi_and so forth
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17:45.27SGOravaspammy
17:45.51jankusanagi_:'(
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19:01.53alesanhello, does KDE support HiDPI monitors, I got this laptop that is 4k resolution on a 15in monitor
19:02.14alesanright now it has window but I was considering installing Linux with a KDE environment
19:02.41alesanhowever I have read contrasting statements online about the ability of DE's to handles HiDPI well
19:02.43asturmsure it does
19:02.49asturmif you are talking about Plasma, that is
19:02.59alesanasturm, thanks, is it just "magic" or...?
19:03.06alesanI mean KDE is not only Plasma, is it?
19:03.14asturmKDE is a community
19:03.20alesanthe KDE feature I use the most is Konsole
19:03.24JanKusanagiyes, Plasma Desktop supports hiDPI
19:03.26asturmI'm running Plasma on a 4k12" screen
19:03.39asturmwith 2.5x scaling
19:03.42alesanand you also run Konsole in it?
19:03.52Dwarf4k at 12"?
19:03.53asturmsure, well, yakuake, which is the same really
19:03.54alesanwhat I do not understand, I am not sure about is...
19:04.03DwarfWhat kind of unholy combination is that?
19:04.14asturmDwarf: sharpness galore
19:04.26DwarfDon't cut yourself on that
19:04.39alesancan you just setup the Plasma to do scaling and then applications will magically work or each individual app has to be setup specifically?
19:05.09asturmit works very well as far as I can tell when I'm in the Plasma session, but I mostly use KF5/Qt5-based applications
19:05.22asturmlibreoffice has some trouble with hidpi still... but it works okay
19:05.22alesanalso - and this I believe it's the big deal - I have an external monitor that is "regular"DPI
19:05.46alesanand I use the external monitor almost exclusively during regular use
19:06.08alesanwill that work too, meaning each monitor has a different scaling?
19:06.10asturmalesan: this is generally hopeless with X11, the only hope is Wayland for that. but I don't know how diverging DPI have been implemented already
19:06.40SGOravathere is a cheap trick, run on lower resolution...
19:06.43alesanasturm, you are saying that is a distro-specific question? I don't know what my next distro will use if X11 or waylands
19:06.59JanKusanagithat's not a cheap trick, is a horrible trick xD
19:07.11asturmit should be your choice only, and your best chances are with a distro with very up to date packages
19:07.23asturmnot aware of a distro that cuts down on wayland
19:07.49SGOravaI think Fedora is by default on Wayland
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19:12.09BitterblueI tried running at a lower resolution than native, got tearing in mpv. :(
19:13.35Sunburn79hello, does anyone ever try installing plasma (pref arch base) in macbook pro ???
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19:54.15awilfoxis there a policy or such for requesting a commit to be backported to Plasma LTS branch?
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20:08.56JanKusanagiyou should ask in #plasma or #kde-devel
20:09.45awilfoxah, good point
20:10.26awilfoxthanks for the pointer.  I forgot such a channel existed.  been a long time since I've hit a bug :)
20:11.00JanKusanagiheh
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20:59.55alphazulumulti monitor behavior is killing me.  screen sleeps and plasma decides to move windows to different screen :-(
21:00.32alphazuluplug external monitor in - randomly move some windows onto the new screen for no particular reason
21:01.11alphazului spend half my time sliding windows back to their original location :P
21:01.16JanKusanagithe developers of those features could probably use some well-written, detailed bug reports
21:01.29alphazuluJanKusanagi: yes am planning to
21:01.42alphazuluJanKusanagi: also read that these issues will resolve with wayland
21:02.02alphazulukind of old but seems accurate: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/07/multi-screen-woes-in-plasma-5-7/
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21:02.25JanKusanagiyou can use Plasma on Wayland right now
21:03.01alphazuluJanKusanagi: every month or so I give it a try but then always some issue forces me back
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21:11.41DottorLeohi guys! i think i've found a bug on the vfat file system when you mount a fat32 formatted usb dongle. Where should i report it?
21:12.25JanKusanagito the Linux kernel, assuming you use a GNU/linux system? xD
21:12.32DottorLeoyes :)
21:12.51JanKusanagido you have any reason to think that's related to any software made by KDE?
21:12.54DottorLeosomeone here uses Manjaro KDE?
21:13.05JanKusanaginot me :D
21:13.23asturmis that a survey?
21:13.30DottorLeowell...i'm using Manjaro KDE ^^"
21:13.37JanKusanagiI guess Manjaro has its channels
21:13.43DottorLeono i need for someone to check quickly if can repro this :)
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21:14.41DottorLeoJanKusanagi: can you try, just to exclude the Manjaro distro? It's quick :)
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21:17.10BitterblueWhat's the bug?
21:19.37DottorLeoI'm trying to copy a 1,4Gb file on a FAT32 formatted Usb Dongle (8GB). Simply put, when it's copying past 1GB, the speed crawl to literally to mere kbs and never ends. I've tried from Dolphin and also via cp on terminal. Funny thing, if the dongle is formatted as NTFS, no such problem appear.
21:20.23DottorLeothat's why i'm asking if someone can try this scenario on a different Distro, just to exclude Manjaro
21:21.15DottorLeoI've also tried 3 different dongles to be ubersure that is not an hardware problem. Also tried 2 different usb port on my laptop
21:23.26DottorLeoa bit strange Bitterblue ^^"
21:24.24BitterblueIt is strange.
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21:38.48JanKusanagiis that strange? it sounds like a classical "USB-slow-buffer" issue
21:39.01JanKusanagithat can be managed with Linux params
21:39.53JanKusanagivm.dirty_bytes and such
21:41.07JanKusanagiat any rate, if it happens via "cp", it certainly has nothing to do with Dolphin or any other software made by KDE =)
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21:54.21DottorLeoJanKusanagi: problem is that it wasn't so slow a couple of month ago
21:54.33DottorLeomaybe it's a regression
21:55.41JanKusanagistill, non-related
21:56.37asturmDottorLeo: you can mount it manually and use cp for copying the file to eliminate the chance of kio doing anything wrong
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22:00.33DottorLeoasturm: i'll try
22:00.38DottorLeothanks
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