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03:37.01 | Kokpit | Hello, how do I move the location of the kde fedora top bar to the buttom? |
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03:55.43 | JanKusanagi | huh? |
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03:57.50 | Kokpit | This one: https://ibb.co/5jVsqzL |
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04:08.52 | JanKusanagi | for future reference: in Plasma, that's called a panel |
04:10.23 | JanKusanagi | to move it, you need to unlock widgets, then click the "configure panel" button all the way on the right side to enter panel edit mode |
04:10.30 | JanKusanagi | and then drag the "Screen edge" button |
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04:55.34 | Kokpit | JanKusanagi, I have a strange issue, when I stand on the very right button on the panel, I can see the "configure panel" but when I move the mouse cursor over to it , the option disappears |
05:01.02 | JanKusanagi | that's not an option, that's a tooltip |
05:01.09 | JanKusanagi | you just need to click the BUTTON |
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09:00.32 | johanhelsing-M | anyone else having trouble with a scrollbar suddenly appearing on the left hand side in konsole? |
09:00.58 | johanhelsing-M | It's obscuring the text, so I can't read the first character of each line |
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09:17.11 | ws2k3 | anyone managed to get flux to work in kde? it crashes when it try's to adjust the colour |
09:18.54 | jdb-M1 | Try System Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Night Color. It's natively available in plasma |
09:23.04 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: hmm i cant find it lol xD |
09:23.19 | ws2k3 | im under display and monitor but i dont see night mode |
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09:27.15 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: That's odd. It should be the last option in the Display and Monitor panel after Gamma |
09:27.53 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: i also dont see Gamma :P |
09:28.39 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: What is your plasma version? (plasmashell --version) |
09:28.57 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: 5.12.9 |
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09:30.58 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: this is all i have https://i.stack.imgur.com/KkMdS.png* |
09:32.46 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: Unfortunately it wasn't added for X11 until plasmashell 5.17 |
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09:34.40 | asturm | use redshift and plasma-redshift-control for earlier plasma versions |
09:34.45 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: I otherwise don't have any experience with f.lux, sorry! |
09:34.52 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: what do you mean x11? |
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09:37.00 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: cause here they report it already for kde plasma 5.11 |
09:37.10 | asturm | only with wayland sessions |
09:37.35 | asturm | you don't want to enter a wayland session though with the versions you are running |
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09:38.24 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: X11 and Wayland are display servers. Wayland received Night Color support in 5.11, X11 got it in 5.17. asturm's solution should work wonderfully for you, though |
09:39.06 | ws2k3 | jdb-M1: yeah i will go that way but i was just interested in x11 vs waylands what is exacly is or means |
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09:41.35 | jdb-M1 | ws2k3: Try checking out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_server |
09:43.46 | asturm | tl;dr: X11 is what we have been using for decades, wayland is the replacement protocol that has been in the making for years |
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09:56.39 | ws2k3 | installed redshift and the widget says its installed but i dont see redshift anywhere. |
09:57.00 | asturm | redshift is a daemon that needs to be running |
09:57.42 | ws2k3 | asturm: i cant find redshift in the search box |
09:59.14 | ws2k3 | asturm: correction when i search for redshift i do find run redshift. when i hit that my screen blinks a bit but other then that. nothing happens |
10:00.18 | asturm | because it needs to be run as a service |
10:00.52 | asturm | you're probably using systemd, so it would be `systemctl enable redshift` or similar |
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10:10.41 | ws2k3 | systemctl enable redshift Failed to enable unit: Unit file redshift.service does not exist. |
10:11.16 | ws2k3 | apt-get install redshift redshift is already the newest version (1.11-1ubuntu1) |
10:11.40 | asturm | well, it exists here |
10:12.06 | asturm | latest version wuold actually be 1.12 by upstream |
10:14.20 | ws2k3 | im on ubuntu 18.04 |
10:18.54 | afx_ | hello everyone ! on random times plasmashell terminates. Can someone please help me find the root cause of this ? |
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10:40.13 | ws2k3 | are there any hotkeys in kde to lower or raise the sounds volume? |
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12:27.58 | ws2k3 | are there any hotkeys in kde to lower or raise the sounds volume? |
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12:31.31 | xyquadrat-M | ws2k3: You can assign them in Settings->Shortcuts->Global Shortcuts |
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12:42.17 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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12:52.40 | ws2k3 | xyquadrat-M: which component should i pick in the list? |
12:53.09 | ws2k3 | xyquadrat-M: or should i add one? |
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13:02.01 | xyquadrat-M | ws2k3: There should be a "Volume" one... |
13:03.24 | ws2k3 | xyquadrat-M: not sure what i should do https://external-preview.redd.it/TF7TTdT99_xSjMoJgi50yu0P9E7KiRCa7al2ZSYDk5c.png?width=887&auto=webp&s=fc0128e3f69438ecdc50b4d08271fc16585d9a7f |
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13:04.07 | xyquadrat-M | ws2k3 Select "Audio Volume" |
13:04.26 | xyquadrat-M | Then assign a shortcut to "raise volume" or "lower volume" |
13:04.28 | SGOrava | Hello, is there a good task manager (best frontend of taskwarrior) for/by kde (no plasma) ? |
13:04.37 | xyquadrat-M | Maybe there is also one already |
13:04.53 | ws2k3 | xyquadrat-M: i dont have audio volume ^^ this is a screenshot form the internet |
13:05.29 | xyquadrat-M | ws2k3: Oh. Now that is unusual... |
13:07.00 | JanKusanagi | are you in some kind of minimal Plasma install, without plasma-pa installed? |
13:10.27 | ws2k3 | JanKusanagi: maby.... |
13:10.39 | ws2k3 | JanKusanagi: plasma-pa : Depends: pulseaudio-module-gconf but it is not going to be installed |
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13:15.44 | JanKusanagi | sounds like your OS is a little broken xD |
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13:56.55 | ws2k3 | xyquadrat-M: JanKusanagi got plasma-pa installed now |
13:57.25 | ws2k3 | but still no audio in the system settings maby i need to restart something? |
13:58.11 | BluesKaj | check your alsamixer automute setting , make sure it's disabled |
13:58.38 | BluesKaj | ws2k3,^ |
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14:10.36 | ws2k3 | BluesKaj: the issue i cant assign a hotkey to get higher/lower volume sounds itself works |
14:12.12 | BluesKaj | ws2k3, depending on the player sometimes up/down arrow keys work with the volume ctl |
14:18.06 | ws2k3 | BluesKaj: JanKusanagi xyquadrat-M it works now after i rebooted |
14:18.10 | ws2k3 | still struggeling to get redshift widget to work |
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14:23.31 | JanKusanagi | cool =) |
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16:14.28 | theluke | Hellou |
16:16.48 | SGOrava | welcome |
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16:57.15 | theluke | Okay, kubuntu 19.10, kde plasma 5.16.5. When starting any wm other than kde, I get a black screen with no cursor. I know it's technically probably a xorg problem, but nonetheless... Also had that happen with SDDM previously so I'm only using tty login now. |
16:58.22 | jankusanagi_ | if Plasma stars OK, that's more of a question for your distribution's channels, I think |
16:58.51 | theluke | You're right |
16:59.12 | jankusanagi_ | I guess there's a #kubuntu channel nearby |
16:59.48 | theluke | Yeah, but I figured I'd try in a few other channels because they're kinda unresponsive. A lot of afkers. |
17:00.22 | jankusanagi_ | these things require patience =) |
17:00.50 | theluke | it's been something like an hour and a half, man |
17:01.28 | SGOrava | maybe even they dont know |
17:01.39 | theluke | Possible |
17:01.46 | theluke | I also asked in #xorg but no one replied anything there |
17:02.14 | theluke | I mean, I'm guessing kde is doing something which makes xorg display correctly |
17:02.27 | jankusanagi_ | (Plasma ;) |
17:02.43 | theluke | I don't get it |
17:03.04 | jankusanagi_ | KDE is people, the people who make the Plasma Desktop and a lot of other software =) |
17:03.06 | SGOrava | well, first check xorg logs from the black screens |
17:03.12 | theluke | Ahhh, okay |
17:03.19 | theluke | SGOrava: smart |
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17:04.14 | SGOrava | than try to provide a bit more information, like, when you are starting new wm (window manager like i3, awesome, openbox, fluxbox...), is it configured or blank |
17:04.34 | theluke | Configured |
17:05.07 | theluke | I tried hlwm and i3wm and the thing I did with i3wm was that I started firefox with it and switched to another tty and checked htop... And it was running |
17:05.13 | theluke | So, I don't know what to make of it |
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17:05.38 | SGOrava | also check some autostart files if there is anything blocking the start of your regular services (it happened to me, everything was perfect only some non installed program broke my start procedure) |
17:06.11 | theluke | Where would I check the autostart files |
17:06.28 | SGOrava | if you dont know you can scratch that |
17:07.01 | theluke | nothing in xorg logs |
17:07.07 | SGOrava | jankusanagi_: even I call KDE Plasma as KDE Desktop Environment :D |
17:07.15 | theluke | lol |
17:07.18 | theluke | Led diode |
17:07.21 | theluke | lcd display |
17:07.24 | jankusanagi_ | well, that's just incorrect =) |
17:07.56 | theluke | jankusanagi_: classy haha |
17:08.27 | theluke | So, doesn't KDE stand for K desktop environment? |
17:08.28 | SGOrava | jankusanagi_: I know now, it just comes naturaly from the Ubuntu analogy (Ubuntu > Unity, Xubuntu > XFCE, Lubuntu > LXDE/LXQT, Kubuntu > KDE) :D |
17:08.51 | theluke | Petition to rename kubuntu to pubuntu |
17:08.53 | theluke | LOL |
17:09.04 | jankusanagi_ | theluke: KDE doesn't stand for anything, hasn't for many many many years |
17:09.37 | jankusanagi_ | Kubuntu is still a distribution built around software made *by* KDE, mainly the Plasma Desktop |
17:09.46 | SGOrava | theluke: than it should work correctly if there is no error |
17:09.47 | jankusanagi_ | but also Dolphin, Konsole, Gwenview... |
17:10.01 | theluke | Konversation |
17:10.14 | theluke | SGOrava: but it isn't |
17:11.33 | SGOrava | theluke: I never experienced such situation, without proper logs or error messages I am unable to help you much more |
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17:12.08 | Bitterblue | Anything different in the X logs compared to when you start Plasma? |
17:12.40 | theluke | Nope |
17:15.06 | Bitterblue | What if you start something like Xterm instead of a window manager? |
17:15.40 | theluke | Bitterblue: let me try and I"ll be back |
17:16.52 | theluke | Same |
17:16.55 | theluke | Just a black screen |
17:17.44 | SGOrava | do you have by any chance multimonitor setup ? |
17:17.55 | Bitterblue | Is the screen actually on? |
17:18.06 | theluke | How would I test that |
17:18.31 | SGOrava | Bitterblue: you are killing me, lol |
17:19.16 | theluke | It's f=in on |
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17:19.39 | Bitterblue | Maybe just the backlight is off or very low? |
17:19.52 | theluke | Tested it |
17:19.53 | theluke | nope |
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17:20.51 | Bitterblue | Try a different video driver? |
17:21.02 | theluke | I haven't tried that yet |
17:21.36 | jankusanagi_ | it Plasma starts, considering it uses OpenGL all over the place, I doubt video drivers are an issue |
17:22.10 | jankusanagi_ | these things you're trying to start, are you launching startx from a tty? have you stopped SDDM before? |
17:22.27 | theluke | SDDM has been uninstalled |
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17:22.30 | theluke | Because it had the same issue |
17:22.32 | theluke | just a black screen |
17:22.49 | theluke | So, yes, I just launch startx from a tty |
17:24.19 | jankusanagi_ | ah, SDDM didn't work? so you start Plasma from a tty too, and that works? |
17:24.29 | theluke | Yes |
17:24.33 | theluke | I start plasma from tty |
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17:24.50 | theluke | exec startkde in xinitrc |
17:24.55 | alschaapman | I've got a really annoying problem with Konversation that I'm hoping someone could enlighten me about |
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17:25.33 | SGOrava | alschaapman: try to elaborate, it if it is too complex fill report at bugs.kde.org |
17:25.57 | alschaapman | I'm regularly experiencing really high lag during IRC sessions. For quite a while I thought it was my internet connection, but I'm really thinking now that it's got to be the client |
17:26.52 | theluke | alschaapman: maybe check what server it's connecting to |
17:27.00 | alschaapman | After I've been connected for a while the lag just creeps way up; I'm talking like a minute or so. Status message in the bottom says e.g. "No answer from chat.freenode.net for more than 30 seconds." |
17:27.21 | alschaapman | Sometimes it gets so high that my connection actually times out and I get disconnected from freenode |
17:27.36 | alschaapman | I could not find anything like this in the bug tracker |
17:28.36 | jankusanagi_ | never had any issues like that, if you leave a Konsole window with something like "ping google.com", so you get all replies? |
17:28.40 | jankusanagi_ | *do you |
17:28.40 | alschaapman | Just now my lag skyrocketed to 122 s |
17:28.48 | alschaapman | TWO MINUTES of lag. What on earth |
17:28.57 | alschaapman | I thought I was going to get disconnected |
17:29.37 | alschaapman | jankusanagi_: That's why I say I've come to think it's the client. Network performance generally is pretty normal |
17:30.26 | jankusanagi_ | I've used Konversation for many years, through many versions, with really crappy connections, and still never experienced that xD |
17:30.32 | alschaapman | Sometimes performance isn't the best in my bedroom here, but moving closer to the access point where the signal is better doesn't seem to make any difference at all vis-a-vis this issue cropping up. |
17:30.48 | jankusanagi_ | ah, wifi... yikes xD |
17:31.11 | SGOrava | wifi, wifi drivers, did you perform any update before the issue started ? |
17:31.38 | SGOrava | it can also be picky router, my own is crappy and plays dead after a while... |
17:33.46 | alschaapman | This is happening for some time with Konversation, so I'm sure it was several versions. KDE applications have been updated a couple times in the last ~month, no? |
17:34.03 | jankusanagi_ | what you've updated depends on your distribution and you |
17:34.05 | alschaapman | I'm using Arch |
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17:34.53 | alschaapman | Pretty sure Arch always gets the latest KDE everything within a few days of the upstream release |
17:35.49 | jankusanagi_ | Konversation releases standalone |
17:37.53 | tanriol-M | I've seen problems with Intel wifi cards recently that showed up as frequent disconnects and/or long (multiple seconds) delays. That one was a Linux 5.1 regression. May be a good idea to check whether the same happens with wired connection. |
17:38.57 | alschaapman | Wow, you're not kidding. No Konversation update since mid-2018 |
17:39.00 | alschaapman | I stand corrected |
17:39.22 | tanriol-M | theluke: What's your GPU - Intel, Nvidia, AMD? Both Intel and something else? |
17:39.47 | alschaapman | I did happen to notice just a moment ago while that lag timer was climbing that I was still getting new join messages on another channel. Maybe that means the lag timer is actually giving me bad information? |
17:40.13 | jankusanagi_ | do you actually experience any lag? xD |
17:40.15 | alschaapman | It *does not* go up if chat messages are coming in, as far as I can tell |
17:40.23 | jankusanagi_ | I mean, one notices these things |
17:40.44 | alschaapman | jankusanagi_: Yeah, I've wondered about that. It's a bit hard to tell when people are actually *not* talking on IRC |
17:41.05 | jankusanagi_ | well, ATM people are talking here, at a reasonable pace |
17:41.09 | jankusanagi_ | do you experience any lag? |
17:41.17 | alschaapman | It does appear, though, that after the lag coming back down, several messages tend to come in at a time. Hard to say for sure |
17:41.28 | jankusanagi_ | do you happen to recieve 20 messages at once after a minute with nothing? |
17:42.52 | alschaapman | I think so? |
17:43.01 | alschaapman | It's going up right now. Spam a few lines if you can see this |
17:43.15 | jankusanagi_ | blah |
17:43.17 | jankusanagi_ | bleh |
17:43.18 | jankusanagi_ | blih |
17:43.22 | jankusanagi_ | test, etc |
17:43.24 | jankusanagi_ | and so on |
17:43.26 | jankusanagi_ | and so forth |
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17:45.27 | SGOrava | spammy |
17:45.51 | jankusanagi_ | :'( |
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19:01.53 | alesan | hello, does KDE support HiDPI monitors, I got this laptop that is 4k resolution on a 15in monitor |
19:02.14 | alesan | right now it has window but I was considering installing Linux with a KDE environment |
19:02.41 | alesan | however I have read contrasting statements online about the ability of DE's to handles HiDPI well |
19:02.43 | asturm | sure it does |
19:02.49 | asturm | if you are talking about Plasma, that is |
19:02.59 | alesan | asturm, thanks, is it just "magic" or...? |
19:03.06 | alesan | I mean KDE is not only Plasma, is it? |
19:03.14 | asturm | KDE is a community |
19:03.20 | alesan | the KDE feature I use the most is Konsole |
19:03.24 | JanKusanagi | yes, Plasma Desktop supports hiDPI |
19:03.26 | asturm | I'm running Plasma on a 4k12" screen |
19:03.39 | asturm | with 2.5x scaling |
19:03.42 | alesan | and you also run Konsole in it? |
19:03.52 | Dwarf | 4k at 12"? |
19:03.53 | asturm | sure, well, yakuake, which is the same really |
19:03.54 | alesan | what I do not understand, I am not sure about is... |
19:04.03 | Dwarf | What kind of unholy combination is that? |
19:04.14 | asturm | Dwarf: sharpness galore |
19:04.26 | Dwarf | Don't cut yourself on that |
19:04.39 | alesan | can you just setup the Plasma to do scaling and then applications will magically work or each individual app has to be setup specifically? |
19:05.09 | asturm | it works very well as far as I can tell when I'm in the Plasma session, but I mostly use KF5/Qt5-based applications |
19:05.22 | asturm | libreoffice has some trouble with hidpi still... but it works okay |
19:05.22 | alesan | also - and this I believe it's the big deal - I have an external monitor that is "regular"DPI |
19:05.46 | alesan | and I use the external monitor almost exclusively during regular use |
19:06.08 | alesan | will that work too, meaning each monitor has a different scaling? |
19:06.10 | asturm | alesan: this is generally hopeless with X11, the only hope is Wayland for that. but I don't know how diverging DPI have been implemented already |
19:06.40 | SGOrava | there is a cheap trick, run on lower resolution... |
19:06.43 | alesan | asturm, you are saying that is a distro-specific question? I don't know what my next distro will use if X11 or waylands |
19:06.59 | JanKusanagi | that's not a cheap trick, is a horrible trick xD |
19:07.11 | asturm | it should be your choice only, and your best chances are with a distro with very up to date packages |
19:07.23 | asturm | not aware of a distro that cuts down on wayland |
19:07.49 | SGOrava | I think Fedora is by default on Wayland |
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19:12.09 | Bitterblue | I tried running at a lower resolution than native, got tearing in mpv. :( |
19:13.35 | Sunburn79 | hello, does anyone ever try installing plasma (pref arch base) in macbook pro ??? |
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19:54.15 | awilfox | is there a policy or such for requesting a commit to be backported to Plasma LTS branch? |
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20:08.56 | JanKusanagi | you should ask in #plasma or #kde-devel |
20:09.45 | awilfox | ah, good point |
20:10.26 | awilfox | thanks for the pointer. I forgot such a channel existed. been a long time since I've hit a bug :) |
20:11.00 | JanKusanagi | heh |
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20:59.55 | alphazulu | multi monitor behavior is killing me. screen sleeps and plasma decides to move windows to different screen :-( |
21:00.32 | alphazulu | plug external monitor in - randomly move some windows onto the new screen for no particular reason |
21:01.11 | alphazulu | i spend half my time sliding windows back to their original location :P |
21:01.16 | JanKusanagi | the developers of those features could probably use some well-written, detailed bug reports |
21:01.29 | alphazulu | JanKusanagi: yes am planning to |
21:01.42 | alphazulu | JanKusanagi: also read that these issues will resolve with wayland |
21:02.02 | alphazulu | kind of old but seems accurate: https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2016/07/multi-screen-woes-in-plasma-5-7/ |
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21:02.25 | JanKusanagi | you can use Plasma on Wayland right now |
21:03.01 | alphazulu | JanKusanagi: every month or so I give it a try but then always some issue forces me back |
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21:11.41 | DottorLeo | hi guys! i think i've found a bug on the vfat file system when you mount a fat32 formatted usb dongle. Where should i report it? |
21:12.25 | JanKusanagi | to the Linux kernel, assuming you use a GNU/linux system? xD |
21:12.32 | DottorLeo | yes :) |
21:12.51 | JanKusanagi | do you have any reason to think that's related to any software made by KDE? |
21:12.54 | DottorLeo | someone here uses Manjaro KDE? |
21:13.05 | JanKusanagi | not me :D |
21:13.23 | asturm | is that a survey? |
21:13.30 | DottorLeo | well...i'm using Manjaro KDE ^^" |
21:13.37 | JanKusanagi | I guess Manjaro has its channels |
21:13.43 | DottorLeo | no i need for someone to check quickly if can repro this :) |
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21:14.41 | DottorLeo | JanKusanagi: can you try, just to exclude the Manjaro distro? It's quick :) |
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21:17.10 | Bitterblue | What's the bug? |
21:19.37 | DottorLeo | I'm trying to copy a 1,4Gb file on a FAT32 formatted Usb Dongle (8GB). Simply put, when it's copying past 1GB, the speed crawl to literally to mere kbs and never ends. I've tried from Dolphin and also via cp on terminal. Funny thing, if the dongle is formatted as NTFS, no such problem appear. |
21:20.23 | DottorLeo | that's why i'm asking if someone can try this scenario on a different Distro, just to exclude Manjaro |
21:21.15 | DottorLeo | I've also tried 3 different dongles to be ubersure that is not an hardware problem. Also tried 2 different usb port on my laptop |
21:23.26 | DottorLeo | a bit strange Bitterblue ^^" |
21:24.24 | Bitterblue | It is strange. |
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21:38.48 | JanKusanagi | is that strange? it sounds like a classical "USB-slow-buffer" issue |
21:39.01 | JanKusanagi | that can be managed with Linux params |
21:39.53 | JanKusanagi | vm.dirty_bytes and such |
21:41.07 | JanKusanagi | at any rate, if it happens via "cp", it certainly has nothing to do with Dolphin or any other software made by KDE =) |
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21:54.21 | DottorLeo | JanKusanagi: problem is that it wasn't so slow a couple of month ago |
21:54.33 | DottorLeo | maybe it's a regression |
21:55.41 | JanKusanagi | still, non-related |
21:56.37 | asturm | DottorLeo: you can mount it manually and use cp for copying the file to eliminate the chance of kio doing anything wrong |
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22:00.33 | DottorLeo | asturm: i'll try |
22:00.38 | DottorLeo | thanks |
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