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| 01:46.55 | DarwinElf | option is really needed for POSIX-based operating system (OS) distributions, and KDE, etc., to define your computer system as some type: server (often assumed,) desktop (now some distributions like Kubuntu I think assume that and install low-latency kernel,) laptop, etc... because every time I go into KDE after version 3, it forces me to get distracted by a supposed 'airplane mode' for my desktop? The KDE developers really think I'm going to drag my tower & |
| 01:46.55 | DarwinElf | monitor & IBM model M onto an airplane?! (if some obscure first class airline might allow it, but I can't afford that...) |
| 01:52.37 | jankusanagi_ | ? |
| 01:52.52 | jankusanagi_ | is that an accidental paste? xD |
| 01:52.57 | DarwinElf | it's not a paste |
| 01:53.41 | jankusanagi_ | then you focus too much in the "airplane" part of the airplane mode xD |
| 01:53.48 | jankusanagi_ | call it "offline mode" if you will |
| 01:54.26 | DarwinElf | there already is 'disconnect'... I just do *NOT* want to see that option on a (non-portable) workstation/server |
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| 01:55.48 | jankusanagi_ | I wonder if you spend much time looking at that popup... |
| 01:55.54 | cchristiansen | DarwinElf: By that logic save needs a new icon, since we no longer use floppy disks |
| 01:56.40 | jankusanagi_ | quite frankly, you'd be happy to not even use Plasma-NM... a static desktop machine has little need for it |
| 01:56.48 | jankusanagi_ | (I personally don't use it) |
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| 01:58.24 | DarwinElf | well, I have a PC with two 3.5 disc drives right here on my desk, and it works, though I haven't used it in some weeks/months because I'll be transferring it to a case that doesn't have a USB door that was broken off (though no longer could get that case :\ ) |
| 01:58.38 | DarwinElf | 'two 3.5" floppy/stiffy disc drives' |
| 01:59.39 | DarwinElf | i don't know what plasma-nm is. I prefer the KDE versions that have dolphin, plus many important updates/bugfixes, like the latest plasma on Kubuntu... |
| 02:00.37 | kevincs | DarwinElf: plasma-nm is for editing / managing NetworkManager connections |
| 02:00.40 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma-NM is Plasma's network manager widget, the one that has an "airplane mode" checkbox you hate |
| 02:01.18 | DarwinElf | network-monitor? Sure, but I don't know what script to setup network on systemd systems... later today and this or next week on this Kubuntu PC (systemd) and another I administer (if I can find a user-friendly FreeBSD) I'll be doing 'rm -rf' to those and installing SysVInit or similar I can use network scripts... Kubuntu just has NM default and as I use it temporarily, I can just hide it... |
| 02:01.43 | DarwinElf | 'SysVInit or similar OSes/distributions/distros' |
| 02:01.58 | kevincs | DarwinElf: you don't have to use NetworkManager, if you want you can use systemd instead |
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| 02:02.15 | DarwinElf | i'd rather keep six feet away from systemd |
| 02:02.15 | kevincs | or whatever else system for managing networks |
| 02:02.48 | DarwinElf | just only four OSes with it have my GPU drivers :\ ... luckily one was *ubuntu, which at least has Kubuntu... |
| 02:02.57 | DarwinElf | i.e., those have systemd :\ |
| 02:03.02 | kevincs | there are distros without systemd |
| 02:03.12 | kevincs | like gentoo / sabayon for example |
| 02:03.14 | DarwinElf | not with AMDGPU-PRO... |
| 02:03.42 | kevincs | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU-PRO |
| 02:03.49 | DarwinElf | yes, you can build ROCm (Free/Libre/Opensource Software, F/LS, OSS, FOSS, FLOSS) fork of AMDGPU-PRO and compile KDE on Kubuntu, but some stuff doesn't work with ROCm yet... |
| 02:03.59 | DarwinElf | 'on Gentoo'... |
| 02:04.32 | DarwinElf | ok, weird... they actually figured out how to use the original? |
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| 02:04.51 | kevincs | maybe look into bedrock then if you need something advanced |
| 02:05.04 | bumblefuzz | so, the weather report widget doesn't update automatically |
| 02:05.15 | bumblefuzz | ...is there any way to force it to update? |
| 02:05.42 | DarwinElf | okay, well it's not display drivers, I'm talking about, but GPU, i.e. using graphics processing--computation, i.e., OpenCL or something... but I am off-topic now. If I could do that on a non-systemd OS with KDE, it'd be perfect... |
| 02:05.56 | DarwinElf | i think weather forecast update has a limit of half-hour... |
| 02:06.11 | DarwinElf | if you're really worried, maybe enter random location, re-enter your location... |
| 02:06.18 | kevincs | like I wrote, bedrock, use a non systemd strata as base and pull in opencl / whatever from another strate |
| 02:06.22 | kevincs | strata* |
| 02:06.24 | bumblefuzz | no, it never updates... at all |
| 02:06.35 | bumblefuzz | the weather report I'm looking at is 3 days old |
| 02:06.54 | kevincs | void linux as base strata for example and opencl from arch or something? |
| 02:09.26 | DarwinElf | i might try it, but I'm in Northern hemisphere, and weather is warming now... I was using extra CPU & GPU resources all the time for Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC, by University of California at Berkeley for their, other/independent research) and earning gridcoin with BOINC, or mining other GPU cryprtocurrencies, but now it's usually just going to be too warm to even use that. I think I'll just 'rm -rf /,' install FreeBSD Unix & |
| 02:09.27 | DarwinElf | Slackware GNU/Linux (both which should have recent-enough plasma or informally 'KDE5') and just get back to the GPU stuff in Autumn/Fall... maybe the situation will have improve then. But thanks; I'll make a note of bedrock... |
| 02:10.41 | DarwinElf | i've said 'rm -rf /' a few times, but if you don't know what it is, don't try it, especially if you were hardcore enough to try a classic distro. Of course, everyone makes the mistake once or twice, then finally learns they need to setup a non-root user... |
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| 03:41.01 | Novi | Greetings, I am suffering from 2 bugs, the more annoying of the two is I can not for the life of me get dolphin to double click to open directories... Second is an issue in konsole where the cursor advances much further than the text that has been typed. Can anyone offer advice? |
| 03:42.42 | Novi | I am on gentoo and currently running 5.18.4.1 however both of these bugs have existed in older releases. |
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| 03:53.20 | jankusanagi_ | well, technically that's the version of Plasma, which is separate from the version of Dolphin or Konsole |
| 03:54.01 | jankusanagi_ | I've never experienced either of those bugs... the one in Konsole could be related to some "complicated" PS1, but I assume that's not the case |
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| 03:58.16 | Novi | jankusanagi_: I managed to prod konsole into actually using fixed width fonts. So that is solved, but the dolphin issue is annoying because I have SingleClick=false Set in kdeglobals and it seems to just ignore it, but other options such as ScrollbarLeftClickNavigatesByPage get respected. |
| 03:58.30 | Novi | q |
| 03:59.03 | Novi | The exact dolphin version running is 20.04.0 |
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| 04:05.12 | josef64 | Novi: It works here for me (same version with gentoo). Ih think set the double click thing better in systemsettings5 |
| 04:05.46 | josef64 | or from konsole via "kcmshell5 kcm_workspace" |
| 04:06.52 | Novi | josef64: the system settings module just sets that configuration option on my system. |
| 04:07.56 | Novi | It does not matter if I manually add the option to the configuration file or use the systems settings modlue, the effect is still the same. |
| 04:08.28 | josef64 | Hm ok, sorry, no idea then :-/ |
| 04:09.10 | Novi | I was afraid of this. |
| 04:09.16 | Novi | I'll try back later. |
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| 05:33.33 | DarwinElf | is there a way to re-attach a Konsole Xterm tab? I keep accidentally somehow detaching tabs and want to re-attach them or really just even disable that behaviour |
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| 06:38.35 | mishehu | greets folks. my distro ktown maintainer recently updated the ktown, and now konsole has usurped the alt+NUM keys to switch between konsole shells in the same window. I want the older behavior that allowed that to be used by irsii. Can somebody point me in the right direction if I can configure it? I don't find it in either konsole settings or the konsole profile settings. |
| 06:41.17 | DarwinElf | i have problems with Konsole also; never wanted it to detach tabs, at least not without having a first-level menu option to detach... as they say with some such software, the older versions, the better... |
| 06:41.56 | DarwinElf | something I do/press detaches them (don't know what yet,) and yeah, we need Konsole to let you use <ALT>n to switch to non-X consoles, not usurp that... |
| 06:42.30 | DarwinElf | or, well irssi. I'd use that. Might be a KDE selection of preset keystrokes? |
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| 06:43.54 | DarwinElf | maybe Settings -> Configure -> Profiles -> Edit -> Keyboard? |
| 06:51.53 | mishehu | DarwinElf: yeah, I checked there already. there's no entries starting with alt in the current profile config. |
| 06:52.17 | mishehu | DarwinElf: the change occured between alienbob's last two updates to ktown for -current. |
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| 07:08.52 | DarwinElf | there are decent (temporarily) usable alternatives to Konsole, but I've found, when often no one replies here (such as about less popular such as more technical things) if a KDE bug is bad enough, one really ends up having to go to forum.kde.org then even their bug report website... |
| 07:09.20 | DarwinElf | or maybe try daytimes in Germany, or weekend daytimes... |
| 07:10.15 | mishehu | I doubt it's a bug. and I'd rather not switch konsole out, instead would like to find out if this is hard-coded or if I can reconfigure it and it's just hiding somewhere |
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| 07:11.13 | DarwinElf | i call it a bug, because they need to take into account any such popular command-line programs |
| 07:11.28 | DarwinElf | there was no problem with <SHIFT>n for any I know... |
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| 07:14.59 | mishehu | and hard to say if that's konsole itself or something that alienbob set in the build. |
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| 07:26.00 | xyquadrat-M | <mishehu "greets folks. my distro ktown m"> mishehu: hey, are you still around? |
| 07:26.28 | xyquadrat-M | If I understand your issue correctly, you can re-assign these keys in the "Configure Keyboard Shortcuts" menu |
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| 07:28.35 | mishehu | xyquadrat-M: oh holy crap, I totally didn't see that option there. you are correct. |
| 07:28.38 | mishehu | thank you |
| 07:28.58 | xyquadrat-M | glad to be able help :) |
| 07:29.02 | xyquadrat-M | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.42 | mishehu | ah that's muuuuch better |
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| 12:10.36 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:53.10 | nshiell1 | I have a problem with KDE, sometimes when I add or remove a USB device or wake from sleep my KDE becomes unresponsive |
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| 13:55.02 | silver_hook | Is it possible in KMail to have a folder show e.g. all the messages in all the folders that are marked as a ToDo item? |
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| 14:12.07 | cox | so i have multiple copies of certain applications running and every time i do this they are stacked into one entry on the taskbar. i can right click and separate them for ONE APPLICAITION but cannot find a way to do it globally. so... i unstack application 1, then i unstack application 2 and then, next time i boot everything reverts back to stacked again |
| 14:12.26 | cox | is there a global setting i can turn on that makes NO application EVER merge into one entry on the task bar? |
| 14:13.18 | jankusanagi_ | just disable task grouping in the Task Manager settings |
| 14:13.20 | Takei-M | right click on the taskbar and select alternatives |
| 14:13.38 | cox | that does it one time fdor one application |
| 14:14.02 | jankusanagi_ | what I said is permanent and for every program |
| 14:14.19 | cox | i see no task manager settings in system settings? where is that? |
| 14:14.34 | jankusanagi_ | ... right-clicking the TASK MANAGER widget |
| 14:14.45 | cox | what task manager widget? |
| 14:14.54 | cox | lol sorry im noob with kde |
| 14:15.00 | jankusanagi_ | (with Plasma) |
| 14:15.14 | cox | the task bar? |
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| 14:15.23 | jankusanagi_ | the Task Manager widget is the widget (usually placed in the panel) where open programs show their name |
| 14:16.06 | cox | and it is full, so i can only select individual tasks unless there is some trick? |
| 14:16.11 | jankusanagi_ | outdated, but relevant https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#At_A_Glance |
| 14:16.25 | cox | i can not see "alternatives" |
| 14:16.27 | jankusanagi_ | just right-click on an empty area of the widget |
| 14:16.34 | cox | there is no empty area |
| 14:16.37 | cox | thats the point |
| 14:16.39 | jankusanagi_ | well, then close something |
| 14:16.43 | jankusanagi_ | just THIS ONCE |
| 14:17.04 | cox | thats freeking stupid why do i need to interrupt my work flow just to be able to get to some hidden setting |
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| 14:17.09 | jankusanagi_ | ok bye |
| 14:17.12 | cox | why is it not in the system settings? |
| 14:17.17 | cox | you dont see how this is DUMB? |
| 14:17.19 | cox | srsly? |
| 14:17.22 | cox | and im the bad guy now |
| 14:17.35 | cox | i closed an applicatuion |
| 14:17.43 | cox | i have no empty space becauyse everything else expanded into it |
| 14:18.07 | cox | im not fucking closing EVERYTHING. im working for christ sake. how do i get to this setting tyvm |
| 14:18.40 | cox | how do i stop applications grouping on the task bar WITHOUT having to close everything |
| 14:19.01 | kevincs | switch to a 2nd desktop ? |
| 14:19.17 | cox | actually i did not think of that! ty thats a good answer |
| 14:19.20 | jankusanagi_ | I thought of a second way, but given the attitude... |
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| 14:19.42 | cox | YOU are the one that gave attitue with your "you wont close apps then fuck off" attitude |
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| 14:19.44 | cox | ty |
| 14:20.26 | cox | no. alternatives is not the answer, im not trying to chahge my task manager widget im trying to configure it. |
| 14:20.43 | cox | how do i CONFIGURE this task manager |
| 14:21.34 | cox | even the "configure task manager" selection on that right click has NO setting to globally ungroup applications |
| 14:21.56 | kevincs | "Configure ... Task Manager ALT+D,S" |
| 14:22.16 | kevincs | "Behavior ; Group by" |
| 14:23.06 | cox | found it tyvm. this should not be that freeking difficult :9 |
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| 17:15.42 | gobostone | I'm having trouble with sleep in kde 5.69 on Arch |
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| 17:15.57 | gobostone | it works via systemctl suspend but not via the kde buttons/triggers etc |
| 17:16.03 | gobostone | and I can't find a way to debug it |
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| 17:26.06 | openbsdtai123 | hello |
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| 17:26.09 | gobostone | `I think powerdevil is trying to use the consolekit interface for some reason all of the sudden? |
| 17:26.21 | gobostone | I get "powerdevil: Starting login1 suspend job" |
| 17:26.38 | openbsdtai123 | the webpage kde education (kde edu) is broken. Search = Kaputt, application page = Kaputt, mostly all is not working. |
| 17:27.35 | openbsdtai123 | Forgot name. A question, I saw a KDE/Qt application qsimpleplot or ksimpledraw or or qtsimplefunction... what is the name of a small plotter of math functions???? |
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| 17:40.24 | jankusanagi_ | what "webpage" is that? you should report problems with websites to #kde-sysadmin |
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| 20:30.14 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello all. |
| 20:31.54 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, I want to do color management for my monitor, and if possible (crontab or something) change the monitor ddc profile and the color profile acoording to time. but the documentation I find with google is old, for kde 4.x using systems that seem to be deprecated... it seems I could use colord, but do I need colord-kde for this? because I use debian stable, and unstable is as far as I'd be willing to go and |
| 20:31.56 | SpeakerToMeat | colord-kde is available only in experimental... |
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| 20:33.56 | Chaekyung | SpeakerToMeat: What kind of color.. management are you looking for? if it's something like redshift KDE has a "night mode" thing now |
| 20:34.23 | SpeakerToMeat | No, I did a monitor profile. |
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| 20:36.37 | SpeakerToMeat | aAaaand I got disconnected |
| 20:36.41 | SpeakerToMeat | I said.... |
| 20:36.47 | SpeakerToMeat | I do want a night mode, which will consist of a) changing the monitor's brightness via ddcutil b) loading an icc profile calibrated using that same brightness. |
| 20:36.51 | jankusanagi_ | frankly, I don't see a problem for a Debian Sid user to get one package from Experimental |
| 20:36.53 | kevincs | SpeakerToMeat: displaycal has some color managegment software included that uses colord iirc |
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| 20:37.15 | SpeakerToMeat | And day mode consists of changing the brightness back with ddcutil and loading the profile calibrated with that brightness |
| 20:37.51 | SpeakerToMeat | jankusanagi_: I could try this, but, colord-kde is required to hook kde to colord? or can I use colord alone, controlled via cli/crontab/etc ? |
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| 20:38.01 | SpeakerToMeat | if colord-kde is a config gui only, I don't need it |
| 20:38.41 | jankusanagi_ | I'd imagine colord-kde is either a GUI for Plasma Desktop to control whatever colord does, or some kind of daemon |
| 20:40.03 | jankusanagi_ | https://cgit.kde.org/colord-kde.git/ â "colord-kde provides interfaces and session daemon to colord" |
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| 20:41.46 | kevincs | SpeakerToMeat: what about using argyllcms and doing it with a script? |
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| 20:42.21 | SpeakerToMeat | I have argyll and displaycal (it's how I created the profiles) |
| 20:42.29 | SpeakerToMeat | If I can just use argyll I will, |
| 20:43.26 | kevincs | displaycall has the "Profile Loader" program |
| 20:43.26 | kevincs | argyllcms I don't remember what it's called, I'll look |
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| 20:44.36 | SpeakerToMeat | So I could just cron this without having to touch colord |
| 20:45.27 | kevincs | dispwin Install or uninstall display profile, set display calibration from profile or .cal file, test displace and dispwin access to a display. |
| 20:45.32 | kevincs | that's the utlity from argyllcms |
| 20:46.02 | kevincs | https://argyllcms.com/doc/dispwin.html |
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| 21:43.17 | vladoski | Hi guys, how can I disable files search in Kickoff? |
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| 21:49.33 | kevincs | vladoski: I didn't try it but did you try disabling Desktop Search in Krunner ? |
| 21:50.42 | vladoski | kevincs, yes but it doesn't work (maybe I have to log off?) |
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| 21:52.34 | kevincs | vladoski: not sure, I disabled that, Recent Documents and "File Search" (in system settings) and I don't see files in Kickoff anymore, but that disables File Search in other places too |
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| 22:01.35 | marccollin | hi, i have often freeze of application (firefox, subsurface) when I use kde under wayland |
| 22:02.31 | marccollin | I have intel video card (laptop), is there anything info I I can provide to help to fix this kind of issue |
| 22:04.11 | akik | marccollin: plasma is stable in xorg |
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| 22:18.33 | marccollin | akik: ya I know |
| 22:19.24 | RhineDevil | What's the normal method of changing kdeglobals DEFAULTS on plasma? |
| 22:20.08 | RhineDevil | For all users ofc |
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| 22:28.24 | jankusanagi_ | you can tune the relevant files under /etc/xdg/ |
| 22:29.41 | jankusanagi_ | also, you can run this to find _your_ relevant paths: qtpaths --paths GenericConfigLocation |
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| 22:33.41 | RhineDevil | jankusanagi_, I tried making /etc/xdg/kdeglobals but it didn't seem working on the test profile |
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| 22:41.15 | jankusanagi_ | did you run qtpaths? |
| 22:42.24 | RhineDevil | oh no sorry |
| 22:44.05 | RhineDevil | jankusanagi_, it says "$HOME/.config:/etc/xdg" |
| 22:44.40 | RhineDevil | I don't get why it doesn't load my kdeglobals file then |
| 22:45.20 | jankusanagi_ | I assume this "test profile" was created after putting your kdeglobals in /etc/xdg |
| 22:45.39 | RhineDevil | no it was created before |
| 22:45.59 | RhineDevil | but I removed ~/.config/kdeglobals for tests |
| 22:46.20 | jankusanagi_ | try a new user then |
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| 22:46.45 | jankusanagi_ | plenty of other things could be telling Plasma "this user has its own configuration, don't use the /etc stuff" |
| 22:48.52 | RhineDevil | Nothing |
| 22:48.57 | RhineDevil | No noticeable change |
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| 22:51.24 | manjaro-web|39 | hi, can someone help me with my firefox - no video playback at all although buffered |
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| 22:51.51 | jankusanagi_ | manjaro-web|39: that's totally offtopic here, ask your distribution or a Firefox channel =) |
| 22:52.07 | jankusanagi_ | RhineDevil: you could use the skeleton user profile at /etc/skel |
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| 23:03.08 | RhineDevil | jankusanagi_, nevermind, it worked, it was probably malformed |
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| 23:05.03 | jankusanagi_ | cool |
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| 23:09.46 | RhineDevil | Whats Speedbar Width and why it has different values on different system? |
| 23:10.01 | RhineDevil | I don't remember changing default values about bars size |
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| 23:12.51 | RhineDevil | jankusanagi_, ideas? |
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| 23:15.07 | jankusanagi_ | speedbar? |
| 23:16.19 | RhineDevil | jankusanagi_, no idea it's called like that in ~/.config/kdeglobals |
| 23:16.26 | jankusanagi_ | ah, it's part of the file picker settings |
| 23:16.53 | RhineDevil | Ah, so the speedbar what bar is exactly? |
| 23:16.57 | RhineDevil | In dolphin |
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| 23:17.29 | jankusanagi_ | no, not Dolphin |
| 23:17.31 | jankusanagi_ | the file picker |
| 23:17.43 | jankusanagi_ | like if you launch KWrite and select FileâOpen |
| 23:18.11 | RhineDevil | Mhh, so if possible I should leave that empty |
| 23:18.16 | jankusanagi_ | I'd imagine the "speed bar" in the file picker must be the side panel |
| 23:18.22 | jankusanagi_ | where Places, etc is located |
| 23:18.27 | RhineDevil | Ah |
| 23:23.11 | RhineDevil | Thank you so much |
| 23:23.15 | RhineDevil | night |
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