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| 00:19.10 | psyk | um hi guys. so my meta key just stopped working out of the blue? google is suggesting it might be a kde issue? what the? |
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| 00:20.05 | JanKusanagi | "stopped working" how? |
| 00:20.07 | JanKusanagi | to do what? |
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| 00:22.45 | psyk | just not registering now.. both of them |
| 00:22.54 | psyk | doing keyboard tester and it's not registering |
| 00:23.09 | psyk | it just stopped O_O |
| 00:23.45 | psyk | even did a reboot, nothing... |
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| 00:35.31 | psyk | yea figured it out. my keyboard had a brain fart. all good nothing to do with kde. |
| 00:35.33 | psyk | as you were :) |
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| 00:44.29 | JanKusanagi | see? these things didn't happen when keyboards didn't have brains! |
| 00:44.31 | JanKusanagi | "progress"... |
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| 01:21.40 | Zauberfisch | good morning |
| 01:22.04 | Zauberfisch | so, I'm having issues with notifications sent through the kde notification libs |
| 01:22.42 | Zauberfisch | I'm actually on xfce and i3, but applications that use the kde lib, always send notifications with the transient flag |
| 01:22.56 | Zauberfisch | which according to xfce means they should not be logged |
| 01:23.29 | Zauberfisch | while kde seems to treat transient as equal to persisitent |
| 01:23.37 | Zauberfisch | but I believe xfce is on spec here |
| 01:23.59 | Zauberfisch | anyone here that can talk notifications with me and figure out what is actually the correct way? |
| 01:24.21 | Zauberfisch | the specs that both xfce and kde reference are: https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/ |
| 01:24.52 | Zauberfisch | persistent => resident |
| 01:24.54 | Zauberfisch | * |
| 01:25.42 | Zauberfisch | I will be filing a bug, but I'd prefer to confirm the issue first |
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| 01:33.14 | JanKusanagi | no, Plasma doesn't treat transient equal to persistent |
| 01:33.48 | JanKusanagi | and whether a notification is transient, permanent, critical, or whatever, is up to the program launching it |
| 01:36.09 | Zauberfisch | https://invent.kde.org/frameworks/knotifications/-/blob/master/src/notifybypopup.cpp#L297 |
| 01:36.36 | Zauberfisch | this is what promted me to say it treats transient and persistent the same |
| 01:37.31 | Zauberfisch | and as far as I can tell from here https://api.kde.org/frameworks/knotifications/html/classKNotification.html#ad9430ebe5109e91358334f6e20599774 there is no way to set the transient flag in an application |
| 01:40.31 | JanKusanagi | that code line you point to does precisely that, differenciate both... |
| 01:41.11 | JanKusanagi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.34 | Zauberfisch | ok, I should have better worded it, I mean that persistent and transient are treated as oposites or mutually exclusive |
| 01:43.04 | Zauberfisch | sorry, it's late here. I'm half a sleep |
| 01:43.15 | Zauberfisch | but, anyway |
| 01:43.25 | Zauberfisch | to my understanding of the specs that should not be the case |
| 01:43.25 | JanKusanagi | well, they _are_ opposites xD |
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| 01:43.39 | JanKusanagi | the concepts are opposites! |
| 01:43.46 | Zauberfisch | are they though? |
| 01:43.51 | JanKusanagi | yes xD |
| 01:43.52 | Zauberfisch | the way I see it |
| 01:44.45 | Zauberfisch | persistent -> information how to display a notification (basically saying timeout = infinity) |
| 01:45.05 | Zauberfisch | transient -> information how to handle a notification (eg to log it or to discard it) |
| 01:46.02 | Zauberfisch | I think what kde calls persistent, is what the spec calls "resident" |
| 01:46.20 | Zauberfisch | and in the specs, resident and transient are 2 different things |
| 01:48.17 | Zauberfisch | an example could be a notification that I need to unlock my key to decrypt something. This notification could be resident and transient at the same time |
| 01:48.36 | Zauberfisch | I want it to be displayed until I take action, but I have no use to log a notification like that |
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| 01:49.31 | Zauberfisch | or "please wait while your external drive is being unmounted - do not unplug". also resident and transient |
| 01:49.57 | JanKusanagi | well, if you feel either how Plasma, or the KNotification framework interpret the spec is wrong, you should talk to developers on #plasma |
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| 01:52.47 | Zauberfisch | so #plasma would be the right channel for knotification? |
| 01:53.05 | JanKusanagi | well, it's a channel with developers of the Plasma Desktop |
| 01:53.11 | JanKusanagi | so I'd say yes |
| 01:53.17 | Zauberfisch | what is this channel then? |
| 01:53.42 | JanKusanagi | general help (from mostly other *users*) about software made by KDE, in general |
| 01:53.54 | Zauberfisch | I see |
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| 04:34.41 | mattfly | hi, anyone else annoyed by the compositor on the kde being glitchy and making everything slow? Are there alternatives or you guys just turn it off as i did? |
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| 04:39.57 | JanKusanagi | has no issues with Plasma's compositing |
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| 17:45.30 | ThothCastel | in kmail, if I setup mymail@gmail.com with pgp on my debian buster laptop, if I ever want to setup the same mymail@gmail.com on a Microsoft Outlook client or another linux machine, will I have to then configure pgp again or roll back? |
| 17:46.00 | asturm | ngortheone: did they? |
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| 17:46.51 | ngortheone | yup |
| 17:46.56 | ngortheone | I think I found why |
| 17:46.59 | ngortheone | https://phabricator.kde.org/T12486 |
| 17:46.59 | ngortheone | https://www.dvratil.cz/2019/08/kontact-google-integration-issue/ |
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| 17:47.40 | ajshell1 | I have a quick question. I want to make a bash script that closes the instance of Konsole that the script is running in when the script finishes. Just putting "exit" or "exit 0" in the bash script doesn't do anything. Am I missing something? |
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| 17:48.25 | asturm | ngortheone: right on time when google accepted it again |
| 17:50.07 | ngortheone | ajshell1: the old-fashioned solution is to record a PID of the process when you start it, and then kill it |
| 17:50.19 | ngortheone | maybe you can close it with qdbus call |
| 17:51.19 | ajshell1 | But wouldn't "$$" in the bash file return the PID of the bash script, not the Konsole instance? |
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| 17:52.58 | ajshell1 | Yeah. It seems that it does. |
| 17:57.37 | IsaacA-M | ajshell1: can you start it with `konsole -e ./script.sh`? that should close it when script execution is done |
| 17:58.35 | ajshell1 | IsaacA-M: Thanks, but I was kind of hoping for something I could build into the script itself. |
| 17:59.07 | ajshell1 | I think "./script && exit" would do the same thing, assuming I only had one tab in konsole. |
| 17:59.23 | IsaacA-M | can you get the parent id of the bash process? |
| 17:59.38 | IsaacA-M | ps -o ppid=? |
| 18:00.03 | IsaacA-M | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.51 | IsaacA-M | oh actually just use `$PPID` ajshell1 |
| 18:02.29 | ngortheone | what is "release service 20.04" and what happened to KDE application releases? |
| 18:02.32 | IsaacA-M | uploaded an image: image.png (23KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wlFmCFfDZKsXSErtwbkxUkvh > |
| 18:02.33 | anahata-M | ah, that's handy, I was looking for a way to do it with a little C program |
| 18:02.39 | ajshell1 | Interesting. I'll try it out |
| 18:04.52 | ajshell1 | That doesn't seem to work |
| 18:04.52 | IsaacA-M | actually I wonder if since the parent id is another bash interpreter if you're calling it from konsole it may not work |
| 18:05.38 | ajshell1 | Yeah. My script that does "sleep 1" and then "kill -9 $PPID" doesn't kill konsole. |
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| 20:02.24 | miniluv | I've just spent a couple hours trying to stop kglobalaccel5 from automatically starting, but can't seem to manage it. It was suggested here (https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/d8ua66/how_to_removediable_completely_all_shortcuts_that/) that it's possible to disable it by adding a desktop entry in `~/.local/share/kservices5` which should overwrite |
| 20:02.24 | miniluv | it. However, this didn't seem to disable it on my machine (KDE 5.70.0, Arch Linux). I can't find any reasonable solution other than "Just delete the dbus service", but that doesn't sound like the greatest idea. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can achieve this goal? |
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| 20:04.06 | thiago | why do you want to disable it? |
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| 20:07.31 | miniluv | I'm using bspwm with sxhkd instead of kwin, resulting in the possibility of sxhkd and kglobalaccel5 from creating conflicting key bindings. It seems that just clearing my global shortcuts isn't a permanent solution, as I recently encountered this issue (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413542). Because of this I figured disabling kglobalaccel5 |
| 20:07.31 | miniluv | would be the best plan of action, but haven't been able to do so persistently. |
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| 20:08.37 | thiago | you have to remove remove the .service file |
| 20:08.44 | thiago | but disabling the conflicting shortcuts would be best |
| 20:09.48 | miniluv | removing the service file sounds like a bad idea, as it will probably just be recreated when kglobalaccel gets updated |
| 20:11.39 | thiago | correct |
| 20:11.59 | miniluv | Disabling the conflicting shortcuts fixed the issue for now. However, I previously also removed all conflicting shortcuts and new ones were introduced with an update. As a result this also doesn't feel like a great solution to me. |
| 20:13.24 | thiago | there is no great solution because lasma is not designed o run without kglobalacceld |
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| 20:14.44 | miniluv | I figured, but it does seem to run fine without kglobalacceld5 as simply killing the process seems to not have any negative side-effects. |
| 20:14.54 | miniluv | (at least, when not using kwin) |
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| 20:16.52 | thiago | you lose all the global shortcuts, not just kwin's |
| 20:17.01 | thiago | no Alt+F1 or Alt+F2 |
| 20:18.53 | miniluv | yes of course, but I hadn't tested it with kwin so couldn't speak for that case :p |
| 20:19.11 | miniluv | but losing al global shortcuts is fine in my case, as sxhkd can replace all of those shortcuts |
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| 20:20.00 | curvv | hi, any idea how i can get kate to remember window size and position between sessions? |
| 20:20.14 | curvv | works for dolphin and some other things |
| 20:20.30 | curvv | but cant get it to work for kate. size and position set to "remember" |
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| 20:26.56 | miniluv | thiago thanks for your help. I decided to delete the service file and instruct pacman to not recreate it in case there is an update to kglobalacceld. This seems like the best solution for now. |
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| 20:38.31 | Evropi | curvv: if you are referring to things like splits within Kate I'm not sure if it remembers them? (then again I don't use them). If it's the window position and size then that's handled by KWin, it should work :/ |
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| 20:39.17 | curvv | ya referring to position and size of window handled by kwin |
| 20:39.36 | curvv | i see it remembers position and whetehr fullscreen or not |
| 20:39.39 | curvv | but no size |
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| 20:43.27 | kurt__ | Hi, everyone. I'm using Dolphin in a Gnome environment and I'm using a stylesheet to tweak the appearance of some of the widgets. So far I've successfully modified the scrollbars to my liking. I want to modify the free space indicator that shows in the status bar, but I haven't been able to identify the correct CSS rule. I can modify 'background' or 'background-color' of KCapacityBar or StatusBarSpaceInfo to change the color of the *entire |
| 20:43.27 | kurt__ | * bar, but I only want to modify the part of the bar that represents the 'used' part. Does anyone know what I should be targeting in the CSS? |
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| 20:49.48 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: Afre you using breeze widget style or some other? |
| 20:56.39 | kurt__ | @DavidRedondo-M: I'm using Oxygen |
| 20:57.16 | DavidRedondo-M | Can you show me a screenshot of the look of the capacity bar? |
| 20:59.32 | kurt__ | file coming your way |
| 20:59.59 | jankusanagi_ | Oxygen FTW |
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| 21:03.59 | kurt__ | @DavidRedondo-M - Request timed out... uploaded to https://imgur.com/a/VEDXY0t |
| 21:04.12 | DavidRedondo-M | I see |
| 21:04.30 | DavidRedondo-M | I will take a look |
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| 21:31.33 | ivan_ | Popups on panel cause almost every crash on wayland :( |
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| 21:36.53 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: I fear it may not be possible with qt stylesheets |
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| 21:39.18 | kurt__ | <DavidRedondo-M> Drat! Thank you for looking. |
| 21:39.21 | DavidRedondo-M | If you set a stylesheet on this widget this causes it to not be drawn by the style anymore but the basic paintevent of the widget (I suspect of the implementation of qstylesheetstyle) |
| 21:40.55 | DavidRedondo-M | And it uses the same color role of the palette for all the things and lightens/darkens it |
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| 21:42.57 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: I think you can acess the propeties of a qobject? |
| 21:43.29 | DavidRedondo-M | So you could access the value property of KCapacityBar and the set the background width accordingly |
| 21:45.28 | kurt__ | Sorry, you're way above my level of understanding. Could you show an example? |
| 21:45.47 | DavidRedondo-M | I will try it first if it works |
| 21:46.16 | DavidRedondo-M | It's just a vague idea I had when writing the above |
| 21:55.09 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: Sorry but that doesn't seem to work |
| 21:55.35 | DavidRedondo-M | But I'am not that proficient with stylesheets either was just a quick idea I had while looking at the documentation |
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| 21:56.27 | kurt__ | I tested it with gradients... unfortunately that doesn't work, either. |
| 21:56.51 | DavidRedondo-M | Yeah that was my idea to |
| 21:57.10 | DavidRedondo-M | To have the gradient as wide as the value of the bar |
| 21:57.15 | DavidRedondo-M | But it just results in black for me |
| 21:59.34 | kurt__ | Maybe the question I should be asking is where does it gets its color from, and why it is gray? Maybe it has something to do with me using Gnome? Maybe gray is a default color if it can't get a theme setting or something? Spitballing here. |
| 22:00.13 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: It uses the window background colors in different shades |
| 22:00.25 | DavidRedondo-M | The oxygen implementation uses the highlight color |
| 22:02.13 | kurt__ | Well, it's not enough to get me to abandon Dolphin for Totem. :p Dolphin FTW |
| 22:02.33 | DavidRedondo-M | uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200526_000211.png (11KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.modular.im/45f4013d01a71b38d6a02c5c6854e2fa3a65d17f > |
| 22:02.42 | kurt__ | Er, Nautilus, not Totem |
| 22:02.44 | DavidRedondo-M | That's oxygen with no stylesheet |
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| 22:04.03 | DavidRedondo-M | Just setting an empty stylesheet for the widget causes it too look like |
| 22:04.10 | DavidRedondo-M | uploaded an image: Screenshot_20200526_000337.png (5KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.modular.im/faf532e557b05a160ed2fe546d7f66d8165dba10 > |
| 22:04.19 | DavidRedondo-M | You can see the different looks |
| 22:04.25 | DavidRedondo-M | Not only colo |
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| 22:06.14 | DavidRedondo-M | Oh just setting an empty stylesheet on the entire app causes this look :/ |
| 22:06.55 | kurt__ | Interestingly, just launching Dolphin without passing a stylesheet argument to it gives that look (at least on ZorinOS) |
| 22:07.03 | DavidRedondo-M | That's because of the custom control and setting a stylesheet forces QStylesheetStyle which doesb't know capacity bar and the widget falling back to that look |
| 22:09.30 | kurt__ | This highlight color you mentioned... would I be correct to assume that comes from a theme setting, which I am unable to supply because I'm running Gnome? |
| 22:10.37 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: I suppose oxygen has some default color |
| 22:11.01 | DavidRedondo-M | Try running dolphin without your stylesheet and see how the bar looks |
| 22:11.14 | kurt__ | I did - it looks the same |
| 22:11.20 | DavidRedondo-M | huh |
| 22:11.31 | DavidRedondo-M | I can't explain that |
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| 22:13.30 | DavidRedondo-M | kurt__: You can set the color in stylesheets with selection-background-color |
| 22:14.01 | DavidRedondo-M | But because you are not hitting the oxygen drawing implementation when setting a stylesheet (or either way) it doesn't make a difference :/ |
| 22:16.08 | kurt__ | OK, well I certainly appreciate all the time you took to look into this. Thank you! |
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