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14:46.54tdeforestthunderstorm approaching. hope i don't lose power again
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14:54.12smootarPlease don't lose power just as we are about to start our meeting.  :)  
14:55.07tdeforesthehe
14:55.40scgallafentWe're getting rain here. First appreciable rain in something like seven weeks, if I remember right.
14:55.48scgallafentThat must mean we're transitioning to fall.
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14:56.39tdeforestscgallafent: wow. isn't that rare for the northwest to have so little rain?
14:57.02scgallafentNo. We're inland. I'm eight miles from Idaho and 300 miles from the coast.
14:57.34tdeforestah
14:59.04scgallafentBRB
14:59.30smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 15 SEP 2011 *****
14:59.42tdeforesthere
15:00.00smootarSteve will be back it looks like, anyone else here?
15:00.53smootarI believe Kevin Fitz was going to be late, so we will watch for him.
15:02.16scgallafentBack
15:02.49smootarWe are down to just two issues left for the 2.4 release.
15:02.53smootarWelcome back.
15:03.03smootarLDSTECH-335
15:03.03smootarChange from storing dates on events to Logs
15:03.15smootarLDSTECH-463
15:03.15smootarFunnel_metrics_log.txt should not be tracked by subversion
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15:03.28smootarTom, you logged the one about the funnel metrics.
15:03.47smootarIs the idea that we just take a snap shot of this daley into SVN?
15:03.59tdeforestyes, i logged it
15:04.07tdeforestno
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15:04.18TimRikermoins
15:04.33scgallafentIf it's a log file, why is it in subversion?
15:04.33tdeforestthe idea is to remove the log file from svn so it doesn't get overwritten by commits
15:04.38tdeforestexactly
15:04.45TimRikeragrees
15:04.58smootarAhhh, just remove it and the bug is fixed?
15:05.08tdeforestright
15:05.14smootarCan you do that this morning?
15:05.17TimRikerwell, test that the script can handle that
15:05.27TimRikerI'm planning to get to it this morning.
15:05.42smootarDoes our daily backup grab the log file?
15:05.50smootarOr our hourly back up?
15:05.55smootarWhat ever the interval is.
15:06.10TimRikerI think there's code in the script that makes a backup under /backup in production
15:06.16TimRikerI don
15:06.21TimRikerargh..
15:06.27smootarMaybe as part of the task could we confirm that?
15:06.27scgallafentchuckles.
15:06.34TimRikerI don't think it's hourly. perhaps daily
15:06.51TimRikeryes. I'll check on the backups too.
15:06.58smootarCool.
15:07.21smootarThe other bug we have is
15:07.22smootarLDSTECH-335
15:07.22smootar<smootar> Change from storing dates on events to Logs
15:07.35smootarTimRiker: that is the one talked about isn't it?
15:07.48TimRikersimilar issues. yes. I'll get that one too. /me grabs the bug
15:08.15smootarOnce that is done we will have 11 bugs that Kevin needs to close.
15:08.30smootarKevin said he was going to be late this morning.
15:08.33TimRikerfor others... the logs josh added are txt files that are web visible if you know where the are, and include emails etc. we're moving them out of the web tree for this release.
15:09.04smootarIn the next release they will be moved to a table, correct?
15:09.09TimRikerI hope to use the log_path config setting and place them there.
15:09.22TimRikerprobably move them to a table later, yes.
15:09.28smootarSounds plausible.
15:09.53smootarTimRiker, will you let KevinF know when everything is complete?
15:10.11smootarWe will then have him test all fixed issues.
15:10.23TimRikerFYI: I started on this: https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-478 and implemented part of the contactid with a memberuser view that inherits from membertable.
15:10.32smootartdeforest, any updates from you on this release?
15:10.38TimRikersmootar, will do.
15:10.39tdeforesti found another table that could use the data tables treatment - do we have time to implement datatables on the team members table in the admin/manage view? It currently has some rudimentary sorting applied to it but could be enhanced.
15:11.05smootarHow much time would it take?
15:11.08tdeforestshouldn't be too hard. if i get it working, i'll check it in.
15:11.25smootarMake sure that Kevin knows of the update so that he can poke at it.
15:11.31tdeforestwill do
15:11.35TimRikertdeforest, similar to the other data tables code, yes? I say go for it.
15:11.42tdeforestyes
15:11.51smootar:)
15:11.56TimRikeropen a JIRA on it with details first?
15:12.07smootaragreed.
15:12.16smootartdeforest, will you open that jira issue?
15:12.19tdeforestk and i'll assign it to kevin when resolved
15:12.22tdeforestyes
15:12.27TimRikersounds good
15:12.33smootarperfect.
15:12.41smootarscgallafent, any updates from you?
15:12.44scgallafentYes.
15:12.49scgallafentI did some testing with the Zend Framework class that wraps up the Google Provisioning API.
15:12.49scgallafentIt's nice to work with, but at the cost of 14 MB of code in 1,100 files.
15:13.00scgallafentToo much weight?
15:13.02TimRikerouch!
15:13.07smootar:(
15:13.11scgallafentThat's what I said when I was extracting it.
15:13.25smootarIs it worth the time savings of not coding it ourselves?
15:13.30tdeforestgoodness!
15:13.33scgallafentI learned enough from it that I should be able to do everything in my own code, so I'm leaning toward dropping it and writing our own.
15:13.38smootarHow hard would it be to remove it later if we used it today?
15:13.50scgallafentNot too bad, but it's probably worth rolling our own.
15:14.00smootarOnce you start using something like that, it is forgotten many times.
15:14.01TimRikeragrees
15:14.11scgallafentI think we roll our own now.
15:14.16smootar:)
15:14.20tdeforestyeah, phase two never comes
15:14.26scgallafentOK. I'll do that.
15:14.29scgallafentI discovered that I need Super Administrator rights to make the API do what I need to for
15:14.29scgallafenttesting. Can one of you make the change?
15:14.41TimRikerheads in
15:14.48tdeforestin Joomla?
15:14.55scgallafentNo. In Google.
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15:15.05smootarTimRiker, can you look to make that change?
15:15.06tdeforestshakes head
15:15.14TimRikeroh.. I don't know if I remember how to do that...
15:15.24scgallafentJust give me all rights on the domain and your firstborn.
15:15.28smootaror coordinate with our Google guy, trying to remember his name.
15:15.32scgallafentI can point you to a web page.
15:15.39scgallafentI'll dig it out in a minute.
15:15.42tdeforestwhere would i do that? i've never seen that. i doubt i have access
15:15.43TimRikeryou want my firstborn? he'll stink as he's camping at the moment. :)
15:15.51scgallafentEeeew.
15:15.58TimRikerlol
15:16.00scgallafentDo you want an update on RecProp, also?
15:16.00smootarI may have access, but I don't remember.
15:16.12smootarYes, update on RecProp.
15:16.23scgallafentI know smootar and TimRiker do. I'll get the web page in a minute.
15:16.37scgallafentRecProp team met on the phone last night. Momentum is stalling a bit, so we're trying to keep that up.
15:16.57scgallafentI managed to get a bunch of bite-sized tasks created and I'm going to try to start engaging some of the developers that are waiting in the wings.
15:17.24scgallafentI'm going to try the approach of hand-holding them somewhat through the first couple of commits and then turn them loose as they're comfortable.
15:17.42TimRikerupgrades scgallafent in jira and joomla. still looking for the google groups setting...
15:17.47scgallafentI'm leaning toward having them generate patches for the first couple of commits and then add them to svn. Opinions?
15:18.01scgallafentTimRiker: http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?answer=1219251
15:18.07smootarI think that is a good approach.
15:18.11tdeforestagrees
15:18.14smootarMany of the leads are following that pattern.
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15:18.25tdeforestit's dead simple to do too
15:18.44scgallafentOK. I'll start that way and see if I can get some new blood pumping.
15:18.49scgallafentThat is all.
15:18.52smootarSounds great.
15:19.12smootarI think we have a good opportunity to get new blood going on LDSTech.
15:19.20smootarWe have quite a few in the wings not engaging.
15:19.36smootartdeforest, what are your thoughts?  You have chatted with some of them.
15:19.51scgallafentI'm hoping that by walking them through closely - phone calls, etc - that they will get to work faster and be more comfortable.
15:20.00tdeforestscgallafent's approach is the best
15:20.07scgallafentIt's what I envision also happening in LDSTech chapters.
15:20.16tdeforesta personal invitation followed by a little hand-holding goes a long way
15:20.27smootarThat sounds like a good approach.  Tom Johnson gives specific assignments and that seems to engage people much better.
15:20.37tdeforestexactly
15:20.41johnsonthI heard my name.
15:20.44scgallafentI'll see how it goes and report anything I learn in the next week or so.
15:20.54johnsonthI just logged a bug to get Omniture code integrated throughout the site: https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-479
15:20.56smootarHe gives them less important tasks at first to see if they can deliver because of time and/or skills.
15:20.58josephscottbeing specific helps in that area, each person will have a different level of comfort and experience
15:21.00tdeforestrockstars can jump in and make themselves a part of the core on their own but not everyone can do that
15:21.20smootaragreed.
15:21.30scgallafentI found several visual issues, which should be relatively straightforward fixes. I'm planning to start them with those.
15:21.42smootarOn the RecProp, is this for the next version?
15:21.46scgallafentYes.
15:21.50scgallafent,,,
15:21.55smootarWhat are the main feature additions?
15:22.05TimRikerargh... can't find the lds.org test group
15:22.15scgallafentCurrent version is the "brochure." Next version will add LDS Account authentication and property managers will be able to update the existing information on their properties. ...
15:22.31smootarGreat.
15:22.34scgallafentThat means that a property manager can update the main picture, description, capacity, "rating," etc.
15:22.39josephscottspeaking of which, someone just joined recprop
15:22.49smootar:)
15:22.50smootarCool
15:23.08smootarjosephscott, do you have any updates?
15:23.39josephscottnope, just lurking/crashing your meeting a bit :-)
15:23.59smootarCool.
15:24.04TimRikerscgallafent, do you have what you need from coda to test recprop? can you document what's needed in a jira? ie: create property type n with role n etc?
15:24.28scgallafentWe don't have everything in CODA.
15:24.30smootarjohnsonth, I have an email to add some ominture code.  That should probably be added to the bug you logged.
15:24.35TimRikersmootar, the FORG stuff looks to be _only_ member data. no units yet.
15:24.52smootardowner.
15:25.00scgallafentI tested with Tom Welch about a year ago and we couldn't access the data through the production service, so we made the decision up front that we would proceed without support for properties, managers, etc.
15:25.16scgallafentWe could look at whether the production service provides access to the data now.
15:25.43scgallafentIf it's not there, I don't expect it to be available in the production service anytime soon without some major work and encouragement from someone above my pay grade.
15:25.54smootarGood idea since it has been a year.
15:25.55TimRikerscgallafent, we may be able to add ext/int to coda, and new unit types. probably have to hack some test units in with sql first. calling someone from outside the unit won't work with the current code, and a recprop has no "members".
15:26.23smootarI know the web services have units, it is just getting a data sharing agreement in place to access it.
15:26.23scgallafentIt has people defined in CDOL (property manager, etc), but we couldn't get that with the production service.
15:26.34scgallafentMay have been an issue with what the DSA allowed that we were testing with.
15:26.46TimRikerdo you mean coda when you say production service?
15:26.50smootarI would bet that would be the case today.
15:26.51scgallafentNo.
15:26.56scgallafentI know CODA doesn't support it.
15:27.01TimRikerok
15:27.13TimRikerwam has callings in a header if you have a dsa
15:27.27scgallafentWe tested against the production MLU and thought that it wouldn't be worth updating CODA if we couldn't use it in production.
15:27.34TimRikerget me a sample user from cdol and I'll see what I can find.
15:27.37scgallafentMaybe I'll get with a property manager and get a copy of the headers.
15:27.47scgallafentI'll need to get someone from Steve Knudsen.
15:27.57TimRikerhas cdol access
15:28.03smootarI'm sure it is just a data sharing agreement.  That process should be started now if you want it.  Steve Knudsen should contact Brent Neilson about that.
15:28.16scgallafentWe've got a DSA for the project.
15:28.33scgallafentI'll get a couple of test cases from Steve Knudsen and work with TimRiker to test and see what we get.
15:28.37smootarVery good, hopefully it includes all of the data you need.
15:28.43TimRikersmootar, I don't think I ever heard if the ldstech dsa's were approved
15:29.00smootarIf it does, you should get the service updated to give you the data from Scott Hamilton
15:29.15tdeforestsmootar: the doqumi project has no project manager defined. I think we should make it inactive
15:29.23smootarThe ldstech DSA's are close ;)  Brent talked to me on our last LDSTech Service Day.
15:29.23scgallafentOK.
15:29.33tdeforestis getting bombarded with lightning and thunder
15:29.34scgallafentThen we would need to get support in CODA/FORGE.
15:29.46smootarWhen I say close, probably within the next 6 months.  <grin>
15:30.14smootaris getting bombarded by sun and a cool breeze.
15:30.20TimRikerscgallafent, I'm in recprop, so put the coda/header info in a jira and assign it to me, k?
15:30.32smootarOK, anything else we need to coordinate on?  Time is up.
15:30.33scgallafentOK.
15:30.35TimRikerwonders where smootar is
15:30.49tdeforestsmootar: just doqumi
15:30.54smootarwill be getting ready to head to BYU from Lindon.
15:31.04TimRikerdidn't even notice that smootar was not in the cube next to him where he usually is
15:31.16smootarwill be presenting to BYU students at 11 AM this morning.
15:31.20tdeforestit has no lead. we should make it inactive, in my opinion
15:31.28TimRikeragrees with tdeforest
15:31.34tdeforestis jealous of smootar
15:31.58scgallafentremembers those Thursday forums.
15:32.24smootarTalk about Thursday forums.
15:32.25TimRikerI'm good. going to work on the two jiras I have in ldstech
15:32.35smootarThanks everyone, have a great day.
15:32.40TimRikeryou too!
15:32.41smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 15 SEP 2011 *****
15:32.48tdeforesti'll tell my friends you're coming
15:32.58scgallafentTimRiker: Did you catch the link for the Google Apps rights?
15:33.12smootarI'll be in the Crabtree room 250 at 11:00 AM
15:33.24TimRikeryeah, just docs though. I need to find my credentials to get into the test site
15:33.35tdeforest~x en fr it's good
15:33.52tdeforest~x en fr it is good
15:33.56TimRikerhehe. 's have issues
15:34.11tdeforestoops
15:34.13TimRikerpatches welcome. :)
15:34.19smootarTimRiker: Could I get you to give the key to our closet to Chad Fullmer when he comes in?  I've asked him to grab some shirts and pens and bring them to BYU.  It thought some give aways would be appreciated by the students.
15:34.36TimRikerok. have fun!
15:34.40tdeforestnice
15:35.11tdeforestmake them earn. obscure computer trivia or something
15:38.44smootarAny sugguested obscure computer trivia questions?
15:39.27scgallafentWhat was the first mainstream browser?
15:39.31tdeforeston what date was apple computer incorporated?
15:39.58scgallafentHow long is Larry Ellison's yacht? :)
15:40.16tdeforesthaha
15:40.30TimRikerwho is rms?
15:40.45scgallafentCNN.com had an article yesterday (I think) about "gigayachts."
15:41.10scgallafentYou could ask a BZFlag question. The AI class uses that for the end-of-class lab.
15:41.11josephscottexact date 2038 bug will hit
15:41.47scgallafentBonus points if they know the date and time.
15:42.22josephscottyou'll have to forbid looking it up via google :-)
15:42.28scgallafentTrue.
15:42.33smootarGreat ideas.
15:46.43scgallafentFloppy disk capacity would be a good one.
15:47.41smootarToo easy, but maybe not for the young ones.
15:48.02smootarI may have to try that one.
15:50.06scgallafentThat's what I'm thinking. Most of them won't have used a 5.25 inch floppy enough to remember the capacity.
15:50.27josephscottdouble density?
15:50.53TimRikerscgallafent, ah, but what kind of floppy? /me points to his 8" floppies
15:51.17TimRiker144k for an ss apple2 :)
15:51.24scgallafentThat's the sticker. 5.25" DD? 8" (which format)? 3.5" DD? HD?
15:51.29TimRikers/an/a/
15:52.10josephscottof course they might just ask, "what's a floppy disk?"
15:52.19scgallafentThat's the more likely result. :)
15:52.43scgallafentHow many 3.5" floppies did it take to install Windows 3.1?
15:54.44tdeforestthis entire conversation is delightful
15:55.38scgallafentHow big is BYU's IPv4 address block?
15:56.14scgallafent(BYU has a class B allocation)
15:57.06TimRikersmootar, chad dropped by, got the key, and returned it after.
15:58.07scgallafentTimRiker: I just emailed you information on three properties. I'll create the JIRA task in a bit.
15:58.12smootarTimRiker, does he know where the closet is?
15:59.07smootaris throwing in slides with questions.
16:00.09TimRikersmootar, yep. he went there and came back with the key. not sure what he picked up though. I didn't think to ask.
16:00.31TimRikerhow big is BYU's IPv6 address block?
16:00.46TimRikerhas no idea
16:01.00josephscotthaha
16:01.02scgallafentHow can you tell that your computer is suffering from old age? (It suffers from memory loss.)
16:01.12scgallafentWhat happened when the computer was dropped on the floor? (It slipped a disk.)
16:01.19scgallafentHow do you describe a computer virus? (It is known as a "terminal illness.")
16:01.19josephscottis it ever ok to let the magic smoke out of your computer?
16:01.29scgallafentWhat part of the keyboard does an astronaut like best? (The space bar)
16:01.55scgallafentI had a professor at BYU who told us that computers run on smoke and mirrors. If you open up one of the little chips, there is a tiny mirror in there. If you let the smoke out, it stops working.
16:02.17tdeforestwhat's the answer josephscott?
16:02.21josephscottcorrect, if smoke starts coming out it will no longer work :-)
16:02.32tdeforest:)
16:02.48tdeforestthat's my favorite
16:03.02TimRikerhas seen a lot of magic smoke. stinky stuff
16:03.03josephscottI melted several old dumb terminals once upon a time, they all stopped working once the smoke escaped :-(
16:03.58scgallafentWe killed an old hard drive doing the Novell stress test on it. When it failed it rang like a bell, but no smoke. We heard the ring from 30 feet away.
16:05.33josephscottonce worked at a place with some old, large (physical size), that "binged" once the finished spinning up
16:05.59josephscotthad 4 of them in one enclosure, powering it on you got a rapid set of 4 bings
16:07.29cmiller¿ http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php ?
16:08.50tdeforestsounds you never want to hear
16:09.41cmillerI'm sure CSI can zoom and enhance enough to get a picture of the polarity on the platters, and in so doing they can recover the information!
16:10.02tdeforestthat goes without saying
16:10.59TimRikerhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Honeywell_316 <- every household needs a computer in the kitchen!
16:11.40TimRikerhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Kitchen_computer_ad.jpg
16:11.55tdeforestespecially one that prevents the fridge from opening
16:12.02TimRikerhehe
16:23.40josephscottTimRiker: what day is Sort?
16:27.11TimRikerjosephscott, no idea.. looking in email...
16:28.35TimRikeroct 11 and 12
16:29.28josephscottok, thanks.  good to hear that doesn't conflict with the service day
16:39.27TimRikertech day and gc are different weekends this time.
16:39.42TimRikerI'll likely head to st george for conference
16:40.48TimRikerjosephscott, can you get here? https://teams.ldschurch.org/sites/SORTConference/
16:42.01josephscottyep, shows me a green login form
16:42.23josephscottdon't like the GC crowds?
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16:58.35johnsonthI just posted some info about the #ldstech channel on IRC on the blog. https://tech.lds.org/index.php/ldstech/1-miscellanous/408-how-to-join-the-ldstech-channel-on-irc
16:59.16johnsonthI'm hoping that it will help increase traffic here. Communication was a key point that came out of the last project lead discussion.
16:59.49TimRikernods
17:55.00tdeforestjust checked in revision 1100
18:20.03tdeforestfound an lead for the doqumi project: Bryan Fowler. he isn't listed on the project page but shows in the edit project window
18:25.38tdeforesti'm headed out to pick up the missionaries. have a great afternoon!
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19:21.44scgallafentTimRiker: This is a poke to remind you or Alan to update my rights in Google Apps for testing groups.
19:37.38TimRikerscgallafent, how to I get to the testing apps?
19:37.48scgallafentWhich testing apps?
19:37.55scgallafentCDOL?
19:38.19scgallafentI mean the CDOL tests we talked about earlier?
19:54.13TimRikerthere is a test google apps setup someplace, but I don't remember how to get into it.
19:54.32scgallafenthttps://www.google.com/a/lds.org
19:54.58scgallafentYou'll need your password. I'll look to see what the email address is.
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20:05.27SunSparcSo... this is the illustrious tech channel of the LDS church...
20:05.43cmillerYes, where we code the future of stuff and things.
20:05.47scgallafentIt is. Hello.
20:06.02SunSparcGreetings
20:06.45EricMcKirdyI am so pleased to see that people still use IRC.
20:06.57EricMcKirdyThis must be the true church!
20:07.16SunSparcEricMcKirdy: Naturally, hackers use irc all the time, according to CSI.
20:07.38EricMcKirdyYes, yes, of course… I should have qualified "people" with "decent"
20:08.18SunSparclol
20:08.51SunSparcIt still remains an effective form of communication.
20:09.04EricMcKirdyI completely agree.
20:10.05EricMcKirdyI bring you greetings from Oregon, where we have just concluded our two and a half weeks of summer, so it is time to emerge from our bunkers.
20:12.32SunSparc2.5 weeks of summer.  I thought Utah had it bad this year.
20:18.11EricMcKirdyLa Nina did a number on all of us.
20:18.26EricMcKirdyI flew into SLC on Friday, April 29 when it was snowing sideways
20:19.13EricMcKirdyI had to go directly to Temple Square to rehearse, and by the time I got downtown, it was sure looking a lot like winter!
20:21.27SunSparcYep, extra extra long winter this year.  I blame it on Al Gore and his global warming.
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20:23.43EricMcKirdyI thought we found out that some university in London invented all of that!
20:24.12SunSparcagrees that it is invented
20:24.43EricMcKirdyIf nothing else, I'm just very grateful to not have had to water the lawn all summer.
20:37.56EricMcKirdyAnybody here work on the Mormon Channel app?
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20:47.52smootarTimRiker: Just curious how things are going now that I am back.
20:48.15smootarDid Kevin ever show up?
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21:20.42smootartdeforest: do you what progress has been made since I have been gone?
21:29.35smootars/you what/you know what/
21:30.49scgallafentsmootar: tdeforest left earlier to pick up the missionaries.
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21:44.23smootartxh.
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21:47.35smootarwow, I can't even say thx.
21:52.30smootarscgallafent: Did you get the super user permissions that you needed?
21:52.52scgallafentI don't think so. I'm not sure if TimRiker was able to find his credentials.
21:59.41scgallafentsmootar: Going to run over to the school and cause marching band trouble for a bit.
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22:11.53TimRikerscgallafent, yep. added you and josephscott as super admins
22:12.02smootarscgallafent: Have fun, see you in a while.
22:12.08scgallafentOK. Thanks.
22:12.45smootarWahoo, TimRiker!
22:12.57josephscottwonders if that comes with a red cape
22:13.32smootarDo tights come with a cape?
22:14.07TimRikerEricMcKirdy, I don't think any of the mormon channel folk are here on irc, but they are here in the office. :)
22:14.32TimRikersmootar, Wahoo? :)
22:14.44smootarTimRiker: There is just the log file issue left, is that correct?
22:15.02smootarI told Fitz we would ping him when we got the last issue addressed.
22:15.20smootarHe is doing reviews right now and I told him we wouldn't bug him until we were finished.
22:15.25TimRikergot buried in the log file / graph issues. it's a mess.
22:15.33smootar;(
22:15.57smootarDowner, that is a bummer.
22:16.03smootarI was hoping it would be a simple move.
22:16.06smootarI'
22:16.27josephscottgraphs are fun, I've been generating several the last few days with flot.  happy to finally have an excuse to dig deeper into it (flot that is)
22:16.40smootarHow far into digging at it are you?
22:17.03smootarDo you want to keep going, or should we address it next release?
22:17.17smootarWe as in you.
22:17.20smootar:)
22:18.38scgallafentThought I'd test before walking out the data. GApps API just made a serious jump forward. :)
22:18.47smootarBe back in a while.  Stepping away.
22:19.01scgallafents/data/door/
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23:39.10TimRikerargh... more on logs tomorrow.
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23:52.40mgearyhey folks
23:52.58mgearydoes anyone here happen to have an email for Rich Farr? He's an old work buddy
23:54.46mgearynevermind. i found it

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