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08:14.18Decogood morning everybody,
08:14.43Decoi'm a new church employee
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14:47.15smootarinfo Deco
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15:00.01smootar*************************************************
15:00.02smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 28 OCT 2011 *****
15:00.02smootar*************************************************
15:00.08smootarWho is here for our meeting?
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15:00.16tdeforesthere
15:00.24TimRikermoin
15:00.43smootarscgallafent was going to join us from a bus again this morning.
15:00.44TimRikerpoked at infobot a bit lastnight. broke some things, fixed others.
15:00.58TimRiker~upsidedown This is one of the things I fixed
15:01.12smootar:)
15:01.20tdeforestnice
15:01.24smootartdeforest, shall we start with you this morning?
15:01.28TimRiker~x en jp and this is one I broke
15:01.31tdeforestsure
15:03.05tdeforestdid some work on integrating admin features into swarm yesterday- just static prototypes. i'd like to get with kfitz sometime to show him the direction i'm going
15:03.31tdeforestshould get with josephscott sometime and do the same
15:04.17smootarwould like to see as well.
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15:05.03tdeforestk. i'll schedule something for us
15:05.08smootar:)
15:05.49tdeforestthat is all
15:05.59smootarThx, TimRiker
15:06.04TimRikerheh np
15:06.38TimRikeroh, thought you were thanking me for tdeforest's comments. :)
15:06.45smootar?
15:07.13TimRikerI'm still stuck in syncing world. had to add some folks to the new testament project yesterday.,
15:07.15smootarI should have put a ? at the end of TimRiker.  But I do want to say thanks as well.
15:07.33TimRikerthey didn't have mrn connected, so the system sees them as non-members.
15:07.48TimRikerour error message could use some wording like
15:08.33TimRiker"For the system to see that you are a member of the LDS community you need to link your membership information to your LDSAccount.
15:08.42TimRikerand then a link to where to do that. something like that.
15:08.56TimRikerI don't know how many people we have in that state.
15:09.14TimRikerI'm pushing out a jira users admin page that's still in progress to cdev.
15:09.50TimRikerthe table size in production is too large to be manageable so I'm learning how to use joomla's sortable data tables.
15:10.04TimRikerthey query just part of the sql tables for each screen.
15:10.14TimRikerI'm most of the way there.
15:10.40TimRikerI still don't have any access to work on the cookie renaming. I'm eager to get that working.
15:10.50TimRikerthe re-logging in is driving be batty.
15:11.03TimRikeroh, it's Halloween here, so perhaps that's ok today.
15:11.12smootargrins
15:11.16TimRikerthat is all. Happy Halloween!
15:11.27tdeforesthehe
15:11.42smootarThx TimRiker.  johnsonth do you have anything today?
15:12.33johnsonthonly that I have an article about the Windows 7 BOM app
15:12.54johnsonthI also have an article from Meg Stout about her work.
15:13.07johnsonththat's it.
15:13.24TimRikerjohnsonth, surely you mean a W7 Gospel Library BOM app? /me lols
15:13.39johnsonthoh, yes. that's it.
15:13.57TimRikerGospel Library™
15:14.28smootarGreat, how did Meg Stout's article turn out?
15:14.56johnsonthIt's good. It's a simple article, but I like it. She has good writing skills.
15:15.15johnsonthI haven't forwarded that on to you yet.
15:15.16smootarGood to hear, she is our DC LDSTech Chapter Manager.
15:15.49smootarMeg is helping Hilton on the iOS music app for those who don't know.
15:16.16johnsonthshe's a physicist and a good writer. I hope we can use her talents more.
15:16.32TimRikerfor any interested... I just pushed the JIRA sync test table code to cdev. administrator->components->talentpool->jira
15:16.57smootarWow, she sounds like a great resource.
15:17.05smootarThx TimRiker
15:17.25smootardhazer, do you have anything?
15:18.06tdeforestthat's a no
15:18.07smootarI guess that answers my question.
15:18.11smootar:)
15:18.25smootarI guess everyone saw my email about the lds.org calendar beta test?
15:18.44TimRikernods. good stuff
15:18.45smootarFor some reason John Edwards really liked that and sent it on to his management.
15:19.10smootarI've tried to send other successes on to pass around, but this is the first one I've seen him really like.
15:19.40smootarI also tried to send some things on for the All-hands meeting.
15:19.46smootarYou probably saw that email as well.
15:19.57smootarIs there anything that is a real stand-out that I missed?
15:20.12smootarI was trying to show success with community contributors.
15:20.35smootaranyone?
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15:21.04tdeforestnothing stand out
15:21.13smootarmoin scgallafent
15:21.20scgallafentmoin.
15:21.30smootarthx tdeforest.
15:21.36tdeforesti can think of a couple good things that are happening like tyler dalton seems to be making progress slowly
15:21.52tdeforestbut there is no release yet
15:21.52scgallafentJust finished fixing the bus DVD player.
15:21.59smootarI think that may be a future success.
15:22.07tdeforestright
15:22.25smootarscgallafent, did you have to use a soldering iron?
15:22.46scgallafentNo, but I told the driver to apologize to the mechanic.
15:23.08tdeforest?
15:23.40scgallafentHad to do some rewiring to get sound
15:23.48smootar:)
15:23.52tdeforest:)
15:23.53smootarGood on ya.
15:23.56smootarIf you were here, you might be able to enjoy my mullet and bad teeth for halloween.
15:24.08scgallafentKewl!
15:24.19smootarToday is the day the kids walk through the building and gather candy.
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15:24.54smootarIt becomes a little bit hard to concentrate on work stuff when they start coming in the afternoon.
15:25.14smootarscgallafent, do you have anything today?
15:25.14scgallafentWere you talking about project success when I joined?
15:25.22smootaryes.
15:25.27smootarDid you see my email?
15:25.42scgallafentNot sure. I saw one.
15:25.42smootarI was looking for oversights that I missed.
15:25.54smootarLet me send it to you.
15:25.57scgallafentI had some thoughts triggered by the email I read.
15:26.13smootarSo you did get it?
15:26.28scgallafentThe email about the calendar testing got me thinking.
15:26.33scgallafentIs that the one?
15:26.43smootarNo, there was another one.
15:27.05scgallafentI'll read that in a bit.
15:27.09smootarI just sent it to you.
15:27.11scgallafentHad a thought this morning.
15:27.19smootarnods
15:27.32scgallafentThe calendar testing seems like it was a success.
15:27.41smootaragrees
15:27.48scgallafentknows thoughts can be rare
15:28.04smootar:)
15:28.16scgallafentI think part of that was because we were able top pair developers with a good group of testers.
15:28.31scgallafentThe developers got "real world" feedback.
15:28.58scgallafentThe users got to help shape the final product and be on the forefront of the technology.
15:29.19scgallafentThat seems like a win condition for both groups.
15:29.29smootaragrees
15:29.59scgallafentToo many people complain about the MLS developers not interesting what it's like in a clerk's office.
15:30.51scgallafentThis seems like an ideal situation to put them to work, especially those who aren't coders.
15:31.09smootarlikes where you are going.
15:31.25scgallafentWhat can we do to create more of that interaction?
15:32.36scgallafentrealizes time is about up, so that big question might be something to save for another day
15:32.40smootarwonders if scgallafent has an answer, or if he is looking for a response here.
15:32.50tdeforestscgallafent: i believe swarm is intended to do that in a big way. are you familiar with swarm?
15:33.06scgallafenthas some ideas forming
15:33.11smootarI would agree that swarm is heading down this path.
15:33.16scgallafentI know a little about swarm.
15:33.46smootarI am setting up a meeting with the calendar guys to talk about the success, as well as identify any of their pain points.
15:34.04smootarIt was more positive than negative which is cool.
15:34.32smootarOK, let's keep this in mind as we move forward with Swarm.
15:34.42smootarBut there is something good happening here.
15:34.52scgallafentI think there should be some formal discussion about how to involve LDSTech users in testing "line of business" applications.
15:35.13smootarnods.
15:35.16scgallafentDebriefing the calendar group is the start.
15:35.25smootaragrees.
15:35.32scgallafentThat was my profound thought for the day.
15:35.34smootarWho all wants to listen in to this?
15:35.43tdeforestthinks this is cool
15:35.49tdeforestsmootar: i'd like to
15:35.54smootarI will have KFitz there and anyone else that would like to join.
15:36.02smootartdeforest, your in.
15:36.07smootaranyone else?
15:36.17scgallafentwould like to listen
15:36.23smootargreat.
15:36.28smootarOK, we need to end.
15:36.43smootarThanks for the time, bring other thoughts like this in the future.  I like it.
15:36.52smootar*************************************************
15:36.52smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 28 OCT 2011 *******
15:36.52smootar*************************************************
15:37.02smootarHave a great day.
15:37.09smootarHappy Halloween.
15:37.17smootarscgallafent, is the bus noisy?
15:37.28smootarTuning clarinets?
15:37.32scgallafentis going to fire up the laptop and work on the bus
15:37.45scgallafentsmootar just the movie.
15:37.55smootarscgallafent, that helps.
15:38.11smootarCool to be on the net and on the road.
15:38.31smootartdeforest, was doing that on his trip to Maine.
15:38.34scgallafentClarinets come out in four hours, but it's really the tubas and the drummers you have to watch out for!
15:38.38TimRikerjira table now sorting... not yet limiting.
15:39.18smootarJust a reminder of priority: Swarm, Google Groups, SVNRM Integration.
15:39.20smootarThanks.
15:39.24tdeforestcars will have data connections soon i hope :)
15:39.45smootaris a broken record. shut him up.
15:40.19scgallafenthoping he can hit the Google API using 3G
15:40.56smootarfailed to get a request sent for tech.lds.org for google groups. Going to do that now.
15:41.33scgallafentThanks. Let me know if I need to do anything to help.
15:41.50smootarWill do.
15:45.07scgallafentI'm going to try to fire up the laptop and data connection. Have a good day.
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15:51.49smootarleft a voice mail and sent an email to Matt Hyer about google groups.
15:52.18smootarWe want both tech.lds.org and cdev.lds.org google groups created.
15:52.38smootarWe should then be able to autoprovision for production and development.
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15:57.51macnewboldsmootar: i stopped by stringtown nightmare express last night with most of my boys and a couple of nephews - quite the awesome production! thanks a bunch for everyone who helps put it on.
15:58.36smootarIt is mostly my home ward, with a bunch of friends and family.  It seems to get bigger every year.  I'm glad you liked it.
15:59.04smootarmacnewbold, what time did you attend?
15:59.06macnewboldwe got there about 5:45, left at almost 8
15:59.16macnewboldmaybe after 8, i dont recall exactly
15:59.23smootarWow, long line.
15:59.34smootarI wonder if you were on the train I was driving.  Hard to know.
15:59.51macnewboldwere you in the crazy wig?
16:00.02smootarBlond crazy wig? Yup.
16:00.12macnewboldi thought that might have been you… :)
16:00.19smootarcoke bottle glasses?
16:00.21smootarYup
16:00.21macnewboldyep
16:00.46smootarCool.
16:01.07smootarSo it is still entertaining the way they have setup the line.
16:01.18smootarSorry for the long wait.
16:01.44macnewboldno worries, they had good entertainment in line for the most part
16:02.38smootar:)
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16:20.05smootarmoin josephscott
16:20.12josephscotthowdy
16:28.31josephscott~x es en ~lart TimRiker
16:29.06TimRikerbroke utf8 x lastnight
16:29.18TimRiker~upsidedown josephscott
16:30.12TimRikerdid you know that alt-f4 will show all of your text upsidedown?
16:30.32smootarWhat?
16:30.37smootarNot in windows.
16:30.40TimRikerwaits for it
16:30.53josephscottwhistles in the corner
16:31.11TimRikeraw
16:31.11smootar:)
16:31.30smootarNot one tried it.
16:31.37TimRiker~backwards
16:31.37infobotDid you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO
16:32.32TimRiker~reverse Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO
16:32.59josephscott~give TimRiker reversed text
16:32.59infobotACTION gives reversed text to TimRiker
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17:30.16tdeforestsmootar: i'm not going to be able to make it to the next 'proof of worthiness' sessions in the ROB. any suggestions?
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17:35.04josephscottlet me guess, you have to flash a temple recommend?
17:36.14tdeforestthat what it sounds like
17:38.28josephscottwonders why they don't just look up the current status and activation date on the recommend
17:41.46tdeforestthinks that is a good question
17:45.58tdeforestjosephscott: i've incorporated some admin elements into the test case list-tasks view. the idea is that the admin tools will only be visible to the right people. those elements will simple disappear for non-admins.
17:46.47josephscottcool
17:47.02josephscottI've been wondering if at some point ldstech needs to grow a projects API
17:47.11tdeforesti switched the build input to be a select instead of a text input. the idea is to reduce input errors
17:47.37tdeforestthat's a good thought. swarm could definitely benefit from an api
17:48.24josephscottseems silly to have to create a second copy of the project list
17:48.39josephscottand then ID'ing which people have the right roles to create new tests
17:49.18tdeforestagreed
17:50.15tdeforestwonders how long it would take to get a projects api
17:52.27josephscottdepends if you want to make it part of Joomla or not ;-)
17:55.51tdeforestvotes for _not_
17:55.55tdeforest;)
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18:32.22TimRikertdeforest, check out the jira table now. pagination and search should be working
18:32.37tdeforestchecking...
18:34.29TimRikercleaned the debug, set to 10 rows default for testing
18:36.20tdeforestwas looking on tech.lds.org
18:36.37TimRikerhehe
18:36.41TimRikernope, just cdev
18:36.51tdeforest:)
18:39.13tdeforesthow do you use this table to sync users with jira?
18:40.01tdeforestfiltering and sorting working great
18:40.09TimRikeryou don't yet. but you will soon. now that I'm not polling 4000+ entries, I can add columns for jira, svn, etc.
18:40.35tdeforestgot it. nice
18:43.29tdeforestTimRiker: josephscott had the idea to build a projects api for ldstech so that swarm doesn't have to duplicate roles, etc https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-524
18:49.35TimRikercan Someone™ add more details? ie: sample calls for the api?
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18:58.36macnewboldTimRiker: i think he was intending it to be a way to pull a list of projects from the One Source of Truth™ and get details on an individual project
18:59.01macnewboldit would also be nice if that were associated with the users and their roles
18:59.02TimRikernods. the question is what information, and what do you use to ask? etc.
19:00.04macnewboldif it were me, i'd want proj name, status, leader (user id), the various links to jira, wiki, svn, etc, short summary, full description, recent activity metric, etc.
19:00.19macnewboldpretty much anything available on the ldstech site if you go browse projects there
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19:00.27macnewboldwow, that was cool
19:00.39macnewboldjosephscott: what would you envision in the projects api?
19:01.09TimRikerhopes the comments go in the jira
19:01.13scgallafentthinks josephscott wants it to be a SOAP interface
19:01.16josephscottwell, a few obvious things would be a way to get a list of the current projects, their status, meta info, users
19:01.25scgallafentducks
19:01.30josephscottwashes scgallafent mouth out with SOAP
19:02.01josephscottthis is a family rated channel, you shouldn't use that kind of language in here ;-)
19:02.22scgallafentthinks we'd better give it a REST
19:03.24josephscottplain, simple, HTTP based
19:03.45josephscottgets tired of dealing various segments of the REST community as well
19:04.06josephscotthere is my rule of thumb for a good API:
19:04.35josephscottI should be able to read through some basic docs, signup for an API key and issues my first API call using cURL in 15 minutes or less
19:04.58josephscottif I can't do that, then your API is probably not as simple as it should be
19:05.13josephscottthat's my "cURL 15 minute rule"
19:05.26josephscottsteps down off of the SOAP box for a few minutes
19:06.33scgallafentthinks it's getting deep in here
19:07.04scgallafentI agree that simple HTTP should be all we need.
19:12.34tdeforestreturns from break. chuckles at the SOAP jokes
19:16.00TimRikerargh! I got SOAP in my eyes.
19:23.18scgallafentis almost to The Dalles. Time to put the band to work.
19:57.19TimRikeradds project filter
19:58.25josephscottis going to need lunch soon
19:58.59josephscottoh, call is at 2pm, not 3pm :-)
20:01.13TimRikertdeforest, project filter added on cdev
20:06.07tdeforestTimRiker: nice. we may want that dropwdown next to the other filters so we can see everything filter at once
20:06.27tdeforestsmootar: you coming to the swarm mtg? seen kevin?
20:06.40smootarcoming and running now.
20:23.52TimRikertdeforest, it's a joomla thing.. they put the drop downs on the right
20:23.59TimRikeradds a role selector as well
20:24.07tdeforestah
20:24.26TimRikersee the User Manager as an example
20:24.31TimRikerthis is ending up like that one
20:28.18TimRikerhmm. my limit gets lost sometimes...
20:38.21josephscottnow I'm getting lunch :-)
21:12.18TimRikerhmm.. how do I get a date picker widget?
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