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08:14.18 | Deco | good morning everybody, |
08:14.43 | Deco | i'm a new church employee |
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14:47.15 | smootar | info Deco |
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15:00.01 | smootar | ************************************************* |
15:00.02 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 28 OCT 2011 ***** |
15:00.02 | smootar | ************************************************* |
15:00.08 | smootar | Who is here for our meeting? |
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15:00.16 | tdeforest | here |
15:00.24 | TimRiker | moin |
15:00.43 | smootar | scgallafent was going to join us from a bus again this morning. |
15:00.44 | TimRiker | poked at infobot a bit lastnight. broke some things, fixed others. |
15:00.58 | TimRiker | ~upsidedown This is one of the things I fixed |
15:01.12 | smootar | :) |
15:01.20 | tdeforest | nice |
15:01.24 | smootar | tdeforest, shall we start with you this morning? |
15:01.28 | TimRiker | ~x en jp and this is one I broke |
15:01.31 | tdeforest | sure |
15:03.05 | tdeforest | did some work on integrating admin features into swarm yesterday- just static prototypes. i'd like to get with kfitz sometime to show him the direction i'm going |
15:03.31 | tdeforest | should get with josephscott sometime and do the same |
15:04.17 | smootar | would like to see as well. |
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15:05.03 | tdeforest | k. i'll schedule something for us |
15:05.08 | smootar | :) |
15:05.49 | tdeforest | that is all |
15:05.59 | smootar | Thx, TimRiker |
15:06.04 | TimRiker | heh np |
15:06.38 | TimRiker | oh, thought you were thanking me for tdeforest's comments. :) |
15:06.45 | smootar | ? |
15:07.13 | TimRiker | I'm still stuck in syncing world. had to add some folks to the new testament project yesterday., |
15:07.15 | smootar | I should have put a ? at the end of TimRiker. But I do want to say thanks as well. |
15:07.33 | TimRiker | they didn't have mrn connected, so the system sees them as non-members. |
15:07.48 | TimRiker | our error message could use some wording like |
15:08.33 | TimRiker | "For the system to see that you are a member of the LDS community you need to link your membership information to your LDSAccount. |
15:08.42 | TimRiker | and then a link to where to do that. something like that. |
15:08.56 | TimRiker | I don't know how many people we have in that state. |
15:09.14 | TimRiker | I'm pushing out a jira users admin page that's still in progress to cdev. |
15:09.50 | TimRiker | the table size in production is too large to be manageable so I'm learning how to use joomla's sortable data tables. |
15:10.04 | TimRiker | they query just part of the sql tables for each screen. |
15:10.14 | TimRiker | I'm most of the way there. |
15:10.40 | TimRiker | I still don't have any access to work on the cookie renaming. I'm eager to get that working. |
15:10.50 | TimRiker | the re-logging in is driving be batty. |
15:11.03 | TimRiker | oh, it's Halloween here, so perhaps that's ok today. |
15:11.12 | smootar | grins |
15:11.16 | TimRiker | that is all. Happy Halloween! |
15:11.27 | tdeforest | hehe |
15:11.42 | smootar | Thx TimRiker. johnsonth do you have anything today? |
15:12.33 | johnsonth | only that I have an article about the Windows 7 BOM app |
15:12.54 | johnsonth | I also have an article from Meg Stout about her work. |
15:13.07 | johnsonth | that's it. |
15:13.24 | TimRiker | johnsonth, surely you mean a W7 Gospel Library BOM app? /me lols |
15:13.39 | johnsonth | oh, yes. that's it. |
15:13.57 | TimRiker | Gospel Library™ |
15:14.28 | smootar | Great, how did Meg Stout's article turn out? |
15:14.56 | johnsonth | It's good. It's a simple article, but I like it. She has good writing skills. |
15:15.15 | johnsonth | I haven't forwarded that on to you yet. |
15:15.16 | smootar | Good to hear, she is our DC LDSTech Chapter Manager. |
15:15.49 | smootar | Meg is helping Hilton on the iOS music app for those who don't know. |
15:16.16 | johnsonth | she's a physicist and a good writer. I hope we can use her talents more. |
15:16.32 | TimRiker | for any interested... I just pushed the JIRA sync test table code to cdev. administrator->components->talentpool->jira |
15:16.57 | smootar | Wow, she sounds like a great resource. |
15:17.05 | smootar | Thx TimRiker |
15:17.25 | smootar | dhazer, do you have anything? |
15:18.06 | tdeforest | that's a no |
15:18.07 | smootar | I guess that answers my question. |
15:18.11 | smootar | :) |
15:18.25 | smootar | I guess everyone saw my email about the lds.org calendar beta test? |
15:18.44 | TimRiker | nods. good stuff |
15:18.45 | smootar | For some reason John Edwards really liked that and sent it on to his management. |
15:19.10 | smootar | I've tried to send other successes on to pass around, but this is the first one I've seen him really like. |
15:19.40 | smootar | I also tried to send some things on for the All-hands meeting. |
15:19.46 | smootar | You probably saw that email as well. |
15:19.57 | smootar | Is there anything that is a real stand-out that I missed? |
15:20.12 | smootar | I was trying to show success with community contributors. |
15:20.35 | smootar | anyone? |
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15:21.04 | tdeforest | nothing stand out |
15:21.13 | smootar | moin scgallafent |
15:21.20 | scgallafent | moin. |
15:21.30 | smootar | thx tdeforest. |
15:21.36 | tdeforest | i can think of a couple good things that are happening like tyler dalton seems to be making progress slowly |
15:21.52 | tdeforest | but there is no release yet |
15:21.52 | scgallafent | Just finished fixing the bus DVD player. |
15:21.59 | smootar | I think that may be a future success. |
15:22.07 | tdeforest | right |
15:22.25 | smootar | scgallafent, did you have to use a soldering iron? |
15:22.46 | scgallafent | No, but I told the driver to apologize to the mechanic. |
15:23.08 | tdeforest | ? |
15:23.40 | scgallafent | Had to do some rewiring to get sound |
15:23.48 | smootar | :) |
15:23.52 | tdeforest | :) |
15:23.53 | smootar | Good on ya. |
15:23.56 | smootar | If you were here, you might be able to enjoy my mullet and bad teeth for halloween. |
15:24.08 | scgallafent | Kewl! |
15:24.19 | smootar | Today is the day the kids walk through the building and gather candy. |
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15:24.54 | smootar | It becomes a little bit hard to concentrate on work stuff when they start coming in the afternoon. |
15:25.14 | smootar | scgallafent, do you have anything today? |
15:25.14 | scgallafent | Were you talking about project success when I joined? |
15:25.22 | smootar | yes. |
15:25.27 | smootar | Did you see my email? |
15:25.42 | scgallafent | Not sure. I saw one. |
15:25.42 | smootar | I was looking for oversights that I missed. |
15:25.54 | smootar | Let me send it to you. |
15:25.57 | scgallafent | I had some thoughts triggered by the email I read. |
15:26.13 | smootar | So you did get it? |
15:26.28 | scgallafent | The email about the calendar testing got me thinking. |
15:26.33 | scgallafent | Is that the one? |
15:26.43 | smootar | No, there was another one. |
15:27.05 | scgallafent | I'll read that in a bit. |
15:27.09 | smootar | I just sent it to you. |
15:27.11 | scgallafent | Had a thought this morning. |
15:27.19 | smootar | nods |
15:27.32 | scgallafent | The calendar testing seems like it was a success. |
15:27.41 | smootar | agrees |
15:27.48 | scgallafent | knows thoughts can be rare |
15:28.04 | smootar | :) |
15:28.16 | scgallafent | I think part of that was because we were able top pair developers with a good group of testers. |
15:28.31 | scgallafent | The developers got "real world" feedback. |
15:28.58 | scgallafent | The users got to help shape the final product and be on the forefront of the technology. |
15:29.19 | scgallafent | That seems like a win condition for both groups. |
15:29.29 | smootar | agrees |
15:29.59 | scgallafent | Too many people complain about the MLS developers not interesting what it's like in a clerk's office. |
15:30.51 | scgallafent | This seems like an ideal situation to put them to work, especially those who aren't coders. |
15:31.09 | smootar | likes where you are going. |
15:31.25 | scgallafent | What can we do to create more of that interaction? |
15:32.36 | scgallafent | realizes time is about up, so that big question might be something to save for another day |
15:32.40 | smootar | wonders if scgallafent has an answer, or if he is looking for a response here. |
15:32.50 | tdeforest | scgallafent: i believe swarm is intended to do that in a big way. are you familiar with swarm? |
15:33.06 | scgallafent | has some ideas forming |
15:33.11 | smootar | I would agree that swarm is heading down this path. |
15:33.16 | scgallafent | I know a little about swarm. |
15:33.46 | smootar | I am setting up a meeting with the calendar guys to talk about the success, as well as identify any of their pain points. |
15:34.04 | smootar | It was more positive than negative which is cool. |
15:34.32 | smootar | OK, let's keep this in mind as we move forward with Swarm. |
15:34.42 | smootar | But there is something good happening here. |
15:34.52 | scgallafent | I think there should be some formal discussion about how to involve LDSTech users in testing "line of business" applications. |
15:35.13 | smootar | nods. |
15:35.16 | scgallafent | Debriefing the calendar group is the start. |
15:35.25 | smootar | agrees. |
15:35.32 | scgallafent | That was my profound thought for the day. |
15:35.34 | smootar | Who all wants to listen in to this? |
15:35.43 | tdeforest | thinks this is cool |
15:35.49 | tdeforest | smootar: i'd like to |
15:35.54 | smootar | I will have KFitz there and anyone else that would like to join. |
15:36.02 | smootar | tdeforest, your in. |
15:36.07 | smootar | anyone else? |
15:36.17 | scgallafent | would like to listen |
15:36.23 | smootar | great. |
15:36.28 | smootar | OK, we need to end. |
15:36.43 | smootar | Thanks for the time, bring other thoughts like this in the future. I like it. |
15:36.52 | smootar | ************************************************* |
15:36.52 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 28 OCT 2011 ******* |
15:36.52 | smootar | ************************************************* |
15:37.02 | smootar | Have a great day. |
15:37.09 | smootar | Happy Halloween. |
15:37.17 | smootar | scgallafent, is the bus noisy? |
15:37.28 | smootar | Tuning clarinets? |
15:37.32 | scgallafent | is going to fire up the laptop and work on the bus |
15:37.45 | scgallafent | smootar just the movie. |
15:37.55 | smootar | scgallafent, that helps. |
15:38.11 | smootar | Cool to be on the net and on the road. |
15:38.31 | smootar | tdeforest, was doing that on his trip to Maine. |
15:38.34 | scgallafent | Clarinets come out in four hours, but it's really the tubas and the drummers you have to watch out for! |
15:38.38 | TimRiker | jira table now sorting... not yet limiting. |
15:39.18 | smootar | Just a reminder of priority: Swarm, Google Groups, SVNRM Integration. |
15:39.20 | smootar | Thanks. |
15:39.24 | tdeforest | cars will have data connections soon i hope :) |
15:39.45 | smootar | is a broken record. shut him up. |
15:40.19 | scgallafent | hoping he can hit the Google API using 3G |
15:40.56 | smootar | failed to get a request sent for tech.lds.org for google groups. Going to do that now. |
15:41.33 | scgallafent | Thanks. Let me know if I need to do anything to help. |
15:41.50 | smootar | Will do. |
15:45.07 | scgallafent | I'm going to try to fire up the laptop and data connection. Have a good day. |
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15:51.49 | smootar | left a voice mail and sent an email to Matt Hyer about google groups. |
15:52.18 | smootar | We want both tech.lds.org and cdev.lds.org google groups created. |
15:52.38 | smootar | We should then be able to autoprovision for production and development. |
15:55.01 | TimRiker | scgallafent left |
15:57.51 | macnewbold | smootar: i stopped by stringtown nightmare express last night with most of my boys and a couple of nephews - quite the awesome production! thanks a bunch for everyone who helps put it on. |
15:58.36 | smootar | It is mostly my home ward, with a bunch of friends and family. It seems to get bigger every year. I'm glad you liked it. |
15:59.04 | smootar | macnewbold, what time did you attend? |
15:59.06 | macnewbold | we got there about 5:45, left at almost 8 |
15:59.16 | macnewbold | maybe after 8, i dont recall exactly |
15:59.23 | smootar | Wow, long line. |
15:59.34 | smootar | I wonder if you were on the train I was driving. Hard to know. |
15:59.51 | macnewbold | were you in the crazy wig? |
16:00.02 | smootar | Blond crazy wig? Yup. |
16:00.12 | macnewbold | i thought that might have been you… :) |
16:00.19 | smootar | coke bottle glasses? |
16:00.21 | smootar | Yup |
16:00.21 | macnewbold | yep |
16:00.46 | smootar | Cool. |
16:01.07 | smootar | So it is still entertaining the way they have setup the line. |
16:01.18 | smootar | Sorry for the long wait. |
16:01.44 | macnewbold | no worries, they had good entertainment in line for the most part |
16:02.38 | smootar | :) |
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16:20.05 | smootar | moin josephscott |
16:20.12 | josephscott | howdy |
16:28.31 | josephscott | ~x es en ~lart TimRiker |
16:29.06 | TimRiker | broke utf8 x lastnight |
16:29.18 | TimRiker | ~upsidedown josephscott |
16:30.12 | TimRiker | did you know that alt-f4 will show all of your text upsidedown? |
16:30.32 | smootar | What? |
16:30.37 | smootar | Not in windows. |
16:30.40 | TimRiker | waits for it |
16:30.53 | josephscott | whistles in the corner |
16:31.11 | TimRiker | aw |
16:31.11 | smootar | :) |
16:31.30 | smootar | Not one tried it. |
16:31.37 | TimRiker | ~backwards |
16:31.37 | infobot | Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO |
16:32.32 | TimRiker | ~reverse Did you know, Ctrl-Q makes your text go backwards in many IRC clients? You might be able to read this: .stneilc tsom sesolc tsuj siht esruoc fO |
16:32.59 | josephscott | ~give TimRiker reversed text |
16:32.59 | infobot | ACTION gives reversed text to TimRiker |
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17:30.16 | tdeforest | smootar: i'm not going to be able to make it to the next 'proof of worthiness' sessions in the ROB. any suggestions? |
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17:35.04 | josephscott | let me guess, you have to flash a temple recommend? |
17:36.14 | tdeforest | that what it sounds like |
17:38.28 | josephscott | wonders why they don't just look up the current status and activation date on the recommend |
17:41.46 | tdeforest | thinks that is a good question |
17:45.58 | tdeforest | josephscott: i've incorporated some admin elements into the test case list-tasks view. the idea is that the admin tools will only be visible to the right people. those elements will simple disappear for non-admins. |
17:46.47 | josephscott | cool |
17:47.02 | josephscott | I've been wondering if at some point ldstech needs to grow a projects API |
17:47.11 | tdeforest | i switched the build input to be a select instead of a text input. the idea is to reduce input errors |
17:47.37 | tdeforest | that's a good thought. swarm could definitely benefit from an api |
17:48.24 | josephscott | seems silly to have to create a second copy of the project list |
17:48.39 | josephscott | and then ID'ing which people have the right roles to create new tests |
17:49.18 | tdeforest | agreed |
17:50.15 | tdeforest | wonders how long it would take to get a projects api |
17:52.27 | josephscott | depends if you want to make it part of Joomla or not ;-) |
17:55.51 | tdeforest | votes for _not_ |
17:55.55 | tdeforest | ;) |
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18:32.22 | TimRiker | tdeforest, check out the jira table now. pagination and search should be working |
18:32.37 | tdeforest | checking... |
18:34.29 | TimRiker | cleaned the debug, set to 10 rows default for testing |
18:36.20 | tdeforest | was looking on tech.lds.org |
18:36.37 | TimRiker | hehe |
18:36.41 | TimRiker | nope, just cdev |
18:36.51 | tdeforest | :) |
18:39.13 | tdeforest | how do you use this table to sync users with jira? |
18:40.01 | tdeforest | filtering and sorting working great |
18:40.09 | TimRiker | you don't yet. but you will soon. now that I'm not polling 4000+ entries, I can add columns for jira, svn, etc. |
18:40.35 | tdeforest | got it. nice |
18:43.29 | tdeforest | TimRiker: josephscott had the idea to build a projects api for ldstech so that swarm doesn't have to duplicate roles, etc https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-524 |
18:49.35 | TimRiker | can Someone™ add more details? ie: sample calls for the api? |
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18:58.36 | macnewbold | TimRiker: i think he was intending it to be a way to pull a list of projects from the One Source of Truth™ and get details on an individual project |
18:59.01 | macnewbold | it would also be nice if that were associated with the users and their roles |
18:59.02 | TimRiker | nods. the question is what information, and what do you use to ask? etc. |
19:00.04 | macnewbold | if it were me, i'd want proj name, status, leader (user id), the various links to jira, wiki, svn, etc, short summary, full description, recent activity metric, etc. |
19:00.19 | macnewbold | pretty much anything available on the ldstech site if you go browse projects there |
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19:00.27 | macnewbold | wow, that was cool |
19:00.39 | macnewbold | josephscott: what would you envision in the projects api? |
19:01.09 | TimRiker | hopes the comments go in the jira |
19:01.13 | scgallafent | thinks josephscott wants it to be a SOAP interface |
19:01.16 | josephscott | well, a few obvious things would be a way to get a list of the current projects, their status, meta info, users |
19:01.25 | scgallafent | ducks |
19:01.30 | josephscott | washes scgallafent mouth out with SOAP |
19:02.01 | josephscott | this is a family rated channel, you shouldn't use that kind of language in here ;-) |
19:02.22 | scgallafent | thinks we'd better give it a REST |
19:03.24 | josephscott | plain, simple, HTTP based |
19:03.45 | josephscott | gets tired of dealing various segments of the REST community as well |
19:04.06 | josephscott | here is my rule of thumb for a good API: |
19:04.35 | josephscott | I should be able to read through some basic docs, signup for an API key and issues my first API call using cURL in 15 minutes or less |
19:04.58 | josephscott | if I can't do that, then your API is probably not as simple as it should be |
19:05.13 | josephscott | that's my "cURL 15 minute rule" |
19:05.26 | josephscott | steps down off of the SOAP box for a few minutes |
19:06.33 | scgallafent | thinks it's getting deep in here |
19:07.04 | scgallafent | I agree that simple HTTP should be all we need. |
19:12.34 | tdeforest | returns from break. chuckles at the SOAP jokes |
19:16.00 | TimRiker | argh! I got SOAP in my eyes. |
19:23.18 | scgallafent | is almost to The Dalles. Time to put the band to work. |
19:57.19 | TimRiker | adds project filter |
19:58.25 | josephscott | is going to need lunch soon |
19:58.59 | josephscott | oh, call is at 2pm, not 3pm :-) |
20:01.13 | TimRiker | tdeforest, project filter added on cdev |
20:06.07 | tdeforest | TimRiker: nice. we may want that dropwdown next to the other filters so we can see everything filter at once |
20:06.27 | tdeforest | smootar: you coming to the swarm mtg? seen kevin? |
20:06.40 | smootar | coming and running now. |
20:23.52 | TimRiker | tdeforest, it's a joomla thing.. they put the drop downs on the right |
20:23.59 | TimRiker | adds a role selector as well |
20:24.07 | tdeforest | ah |
20:24.26 | TimRiker | see the User Manager as an example |
20:24.31 | TimRiker | this is ending up like that one |
20:28.18 | TimRiker | hmm. my limit gets lost sometimes... |
20:38.21 | josephscott | now I'm getting lunch :-) |
21:12.18 | TimRiker | hmm.. how do I get a date picker widget? |
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