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| 00:27.51 | smootar | scgallafent, how are things going for you? |
| 00:36.53 | smootar | macnewbold, thanks for coming on Friday. That was a great help. |
| 00:39.57 | smootar | ~seen TimRiker |
| 00:39.58 | infobot | timriker <~tim@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 6h 41m 44s ago, saying: 'better log off before they complain. =-)'. |
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| 00:43.12 | macnewbold | smootar: my pleasure |
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| 16:02.44 | macnewbold | ponders if the meeting will be at 9am MST or 9am PST today… :) |
| 16:02.56 | macnewbold | or none of the above |
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| 16:12.24 | TimRikerV1 | smootar chad and I are in a presentation. |
| 16:12.55 | TimRikerV1 | no official meeting now. anything we need to know? |
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| 16:20.26 | josephscott | TimRikerV1: how was Oakland yesterday? |
| 16:21.51 | TimRikerV1 | moin |
| 16:22.08 | TimRikerV1 | hanging out in Walnut Creek |
| 16:22.41 | TimRikerV1 | small turn out, interesting discussions |
| 16:24.04 | josephscott | hopefully the san jose/sf locations will have some good turn out |
| 16:24.34 | josephscott | not sure how much was done to promote it directly to the tech community |
| 16:26.07 | TimRikerV1 | yep. we'll see. having fun. =P |
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| 19:09.31 | aamonson | I came looking for Tim, but I don't see him on here |
| 19:10.32 | tdeforest | aamonson: Tim is in SF for the week. he might check in here from time to time |
| 19:11.41 | aamonson | tdeforest: ah... I just wanted to get the names of various Jira plugins, as my new employment situation is changing to jira |
| 19:12.21 | josephscott | aamonson: curious, what are they moving from? |
| 19:12.27 | tdeforest | gotcha. he'll probably respond if you send him an email. |
| 19:12.54 | aamonson | They are moving off of version 1 |
| 19:13.12 | josephscott | oh, so they are just updating their jira install |
| 19:13.56 | josephscott | haha, sorry, didn't realize someone made product called "version 1" http://www.versionone.com/ |
| 19:13.56 | aamonson | We also use turtoiseSVN, so I was hoping to get the plugin that associates commits with tickets |
| 19:14.11 | josephscott | that must get confusing name wise :_) |
| 19:14.15 | josephscott | :-) |
| 19:14.19 | aamonson | sure is |
| 19:14.40 | josephscott | notes never to name a software product "Version X" |
| 19:15.20 | aamonson | there already is a www.version-x.com/ |
| 19:15.40 | aamonson | its not code related though |
| 19:17.08 | josephscott | haha |
| 19:18.12 | tdeforest | version one is a terrible name. i can just imagine the board room conversations. "does version 1.3 of version 1 have the bug or version 2 of version 1?" :) |
| 19:18.55 | josephscott | just avoid using 'version' in a name, period |
| 19:19.27 | tdeforest | so true |
| 19:20.06 | josephscott | so if you wake up evil one day you'll start a software project called "Version 1 Release 2 Beta 4" |
| 19:20.14 | aamonson | "version pi" |
| 19:22.15 | aamonson | or rather, "Version pi Release e Beta delta mu" |
| 19:22.28 | tdeforest | hehe |
| 19:24.08 | aamonson | we could throw some gamma radiation in there too |
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| 19:41.02 | marilynwaswiley | TimRiker: I'm still new to this method of chat. I see that it states "contact TimRiker for new #ldstech-* channels. Can you tell me more? |
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| 19:52.22 | tdeforest | tim is out of town this week. he'll be on intermittently. |
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| 20:25.12 | macnewbold | marilynwaswiley: i can elaborate a little on that I think - if an ldstech project has so much chat traffic that it has become a problem to have it happen in #ldstech, TimRiker can set up another room, #ldstech-projectname to use instead |
| 21:17.06 | marilynwaswiley | thank you |
| 21:17.38 | marilynwaswiley | I was hoping to catch Tom Johnson, but that doesn't look like a doable today |
| 21:18.14 | tdeforest | johnsonth is tom johnson |
| 21:19.15 | marilynwaswiley | Odd - I thought I saw his name as tomjohnson yesterday, but I do suffer from TBI |
| 21:19.35 | tdeforest | it may differ on his location |
| 21:19.41 | johnsonth | yes, johnsonth is me. |
| 21:19.55 | johnsonth | I'm available. |
| 21:20.30 | marilynwaswiley | johnsonth: do you happen to know who designs the tech.lds.org website? or decides what links are attached to Get Help using technology in your calling? |
| 21:21.09 | johnsonth | Tom DeForest designs the site. |
| 21:21.26 | johnsonth | As far as the content on that page, I can update that as needed. |
| 21:21.40 | marilynwaswiley | I am Marilyn Howard, serving as Stake and Ward Website Administrator and a Family History Center Director |
| 21:22.05 | johnsonth | Great to meet you. |
| 21:22.34 | marilynwaswiley | My concern is that I happen to be tenacious when it comes to technology - not all members who serve in positions needing to use technologies are as bold as I |
| 21:23.09 | marilynwaswiley | I have found EVERY link that pertains to my callings by coming through back doors |
| 21:24.09 | marilynwaswiley | I am curious why there is ONLY Clerks and Stake Technology Specialists linked in the "Get Help…." link on the homepage of tech.lds.org |
| 21:25.48 | marilynwaswiley | In fact, using this IRC format is new to me as of yesterday. I downloaded the Textual app on my iMac after texting my son in Orem to find out which of the choices I found on the tech.lds.org website |
| 21:26.12 | johnsonth | is this the link you're referring to? http://screencast.com/t/6LQwQjkCZh |
| 21:26.55 | marilynwaswiley | Right! |
| 21:27.59 | johnsonth | I think the layout was designed before we had four separate wiki portals. |
| 21:28.16 | johnsonth | If you go to https://tech.lds.org/wiki/Main_Page, you'll see four separate portal indexes to the wiki. |
| 21:28.25 | johnsonth | I could actually use your help with something, if you're interested. |
| 21:28.50 | johnsonth | I want to create an index of all Church technology products. Each product should have a link that points to information about it. |
| 21:28.59 | johnsonth | Are you interested in helping out with this? |
| 21:29.03 | marilynwaswiley | I am |
| 21:29.14 | johnsonth | Can you join the LDSTech Blog project? I run that one. |
| 21:29.58 | johnsonth | From the Projects tab on the top menu, sign in and navigate down to the LDSTech Blog project. Click it, and then click Join. |
| 21:30.08 | marilynwaswiley | I can - I do need to let you know that I am a little hampered |
| 21:30.23 | johnsonth | by hampered do you mean busy? |
| 21:30.48 | marilynwaswiley | No - I suffer from Traumatic Brain Injury and sometimes get confused or "stuck" |
| 21:31.23 | johnsonth | I'm sorry to hear that. Would it prevent you from helping out? |
| 21:31.30 | marilynwaswiley | I Joined yesterday in a brave moment while you were doing a workshop or something that Brother Terry was attending |
| 21:32.07 | marilynwaswiley | I have never allowed my brain damage to keep me from serving the Lord. You saw what callings I serve in. |
| 21:32.26 | johnsonth | I don't recall doing a workshop. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? |
| 21:32.52 | tdeforest | marilynwaswiley might be referring to the service day on friday |
| 21:32.56 | johnsonth | I'm glad to hear that you're able to work and fulfill your callings despite the difficulties. |
| 21:33.08 | johnsonth | We could certainly use your help with this product index. |
| 21:33.21 | johnsonth | Right now information for different products is scattered. |
| 21:34.10 | marilynwaswiley | Brother Terry of Riverton, UT told me that he was going to a workshop or meeting or something (brain damage affects happening right now!) yesterday when he called me back about repairing the disaster that had happened to the calendars we had in place in our stake and my ward |
| 21:34.20 | johnsonth | Your disability may even be beneficial in this work since it will help us make the content more accessible. |
| 21:35.14 | johnsonth | Ah, the upcoming calendar webinars. Yes, they are going to be held this Thursday, and I am giving them. Here's more info: http://bit.ly/sw1qcG |
| 21:35.23 | tdeforest | johnsonth: this is a great idea. it could really help improve navigation and information architecture on the site. |
| 21:35.39 | johnsonth | Feel free to help us get the word out about the webinars. |
| 21:35.41 | tdeforest | i actually started making a list of products today |
| 21:35.41 | marilynwaswiley | He said that Tom Johnson was who would be at this meeting or leading the meeting or something like that. I mentioned your name because I was hopeful to find out from him more about what we are speaking about right now |
| 21:36.55 | johnsonth | tdeforest, that's good to hear. I was talking with people in the awareness group in curriculum, and they expressed how difficult it can be to find info about various tech products. The info seems to be scattered. |
| 21:37.26 | marilynwaswiley | I am in the middle of collecting e-mail addresses for those in our Stake who will be invited to join in on the Webinars. I found that like everything else I've discovered - bumping around, lurking, crawling in through back windows |
| 21:37.46 | johnsonth | How would you prefer to get tech news? |
| 21:38.35 | johnsonth | I'm trying to make LDSTech a resource for all tech news from the Church, regardless of the department or product. |
| 21:38.44 | marilynwaswiley | Due to my brain damage, I am not employable. I do find that Heavenly Father never fires me, He extends me beyond my abilities. So, I am available almost everyday, all day long. |
| 21:38.49 | tdeforest | johnsonth: i agree. it is a bit scattered. the forum and wiki allow content to develop quickly which is good. it would be good if we could come in behind this content and give it some organization |
| 21:39.02 | marilynwaswiley | I am 61 at home alone all day with my technologies |
| 21:39.23 | johnsonth | tdeforest: If you want to send me the product index list you started, I can add to it. |
| 21:39.42 | marilynwaswiley | I like this thread of thought! |
| 21:40.15 | johnsonth | Marilyn, why don't you email me and we can continue the conversation. https://tech.lds.org/wiki/User:Johnsonth |
| 21:40.36 | johnsonth | Email might allow for more detail sharing. Though with IRC, everyone is kept in the loop. |
| 21:40.46 | tdeforest | sent |
| 21:41.02 | johnsonth | Thanks Tom. |
| 21:41.08 | marilynwaswiley | I teach so many members how to use newFamilySearch and the updated Church Websites and I know that it is too dificult to find things for those with technology fears. I will e-mail you. |
| 21:41.38 | johnsonth | marilynwaswiley: Thanks. |
| 21:41.48 | tdeforest | johnsonth: thank you for getting this ball rolling. i am excited that it will make things better for our users |
| 21:42.21 | marilynwaswiley | Absolutely! Thank you both! |
| 21:43.35 | johnsonth | Tom, one thing we should do, perhaps, is an affinitiy diagram for LDSTech. Check out the latest post to see more details about the affinity diagramming technique. |
| 21:43.55 | tdeforest | that term is new to me. i'll go check it out |
| 21:44.08 | johnsonth | We are merging with mhtech, and they will want us to consider how to make their mhtech stuff more visible. |
| 21:44.26 | johnsonth | I need to set up a meeting about this from a discussion I had with Alan, Jacob Stark, and Derek Hays last week. |
| 21:44.42 | johnsonth | We're going to start funnelling mhtech news into the stream of regular ldstech news. |
| 21:44.42 | tdeforest | is good. i haven't forgotten jacob stark and co. i'm sure they feel ignored though |
| 21:44.50 | johnsonth | Eventually we'll merge brands and just call it ldstech, I think. |
| 21:47.01 | johnsonth | Our discussion ended with the conclusion that we needed to better understand our users before we could make site redesign decisions to accommodate mhtech more visibly. |
| 21:47.17 | johnsonth | I said we should engage User Research to help us gather some user data to help us make that decision. |
| 21:47.44 | johnsonth | I'll set up that meeting with Ted from User Research, and then he can steer us in the right direction to get the data we need. Maybe he can even collect the data for us. |
| 21:47.57 | tdeforest | totally agree. wish i had been in that meeting. |
| 21:49.51 | marilynwaswiley | I would like to interject that I believe I have a really great view of end user prospectives. I did this at Novell back in `96 |
| 21:50.26 | marilynwaswiley | Programmers were making changes that were flying over the head of the end users because of lack of feedback |
| 21:52.05 | marilynwaswiley | Most members who use the LDS technologies don't even notice the Feedback links on the websites and are usually fearful of making remarks for fear of revealing ignorance. I am not afraid to reveal my ignorance - so that I can diminish that ignorance! |
| 21:53.08 | johnsonth | I think we need to create a new volunteer group called LDSTech Wiki. |
| 21:53.42 | johnsonth | There are a lot of wiki needs that aren't really being addressed. It doesn't quite fall into the LDSTech Blog or the LDSTech projects. |
| 21:55.10 | tdeforest | johnsonth: are you referring to organizing wiki content? |
| 21:55.19 | johnsonth | yes, not style or design. |
| 21:55.42 | johnsonth | There needs to be some governance and guidance about categories and subcategories for the pages. |
| 21:55.59 | johnsonth | And some standards about sidebars. |
| 21:56.10 | johnsonth | There is a lot of outdated content that needs to be vetted. |
| 21:57.10 | tdeforest | I see. like i was saying the organic growth is good for quick development but it needs some shepherding once created. |
| 21:58.50 | tdeforest | like you were saying things were structured for our they were used previously. the usage seems to be changing. getting feedback from our audience will help us keep the site relevant to their needs |
| 21:59.09 | tdeforest | s/for our/for how/ |
| 22:00.36 | tdeforest | anyway, johnsonth thanks for heading this up. please keep me in the loop and let me know what i can do to help. |