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| 15:39.38 | josephscott | macnewbold: ping |
| 15:39.47 | macnewbold | josephscott: pong |
| 15:40.26 | josephscott | were you going to work on fixing the property admin layout for recprop? |
| 15:40.39 | macnewbold | yes, but i haven't been able to do anything with it yet |
| 15:40.56 | macnewbold | my feeling won't be hurt if someone else wants to steal the task before I get to it |
| 15:41.26 | macnewbold | i realize it is one of the last things holding up 2.10 |
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| 15:44.53 | josephscott | ok, I'm working on getting the 'add a new property' page more functional, if you get a chance to look at the layout stuff would be much appreciated |
| 15:45.07 | josephscott | macnewbold: oh, and don't hesitate to ask carmony for help if you want :-) |
| 15:45.17 | macnewbold | hehe, k |
| 15:45.38 | josephscott | he's really good and coming in and nailing specific items |
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| 16:00.13 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:00.13 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 14 NOV 2011 ***** |
| 16:00.13 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:00.18 | smootar | Who is here for our meeting? |
| 16:00.26 | tdeforest | here |
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| 16:01.07 | smootar | moin KFitz |
| 16:01.11 | smootar | and tdeforest |
| 16:01.18 | KFitz | hi |
| 16:01.21 | tdeforest | aloha |
| 16:01.24 | josephscott | is lurking |
| 16:01.45 | smootar | moin josephscott |
| 16:02.06 | scgallafent | moin |
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| 16:02.15 | smootar | saw TimRiker physically, but not electronically. |
| 16:02.22 | smootar | :) |
| 16:02.25 | TimRiker | moins |
| 16:02.32 | smootar | moin scgallafent TimRiker |
| 16:03.03 | smootar | Trip was good to San Fran, we made some good contacts in the Silicon Valley. |
| 16:03.13 | smootar | tdeforest, do you want to start? |
| 16:03.24 | tdeforest | sure |
| 16:03.40 | tdeforest | had my first meeting with a couple of team members in cebu last week |
| 16:04.16 | tdeforest | mel caminade and jess beltran were in attendance on Skype. josephscott and scgallafent lurked on Skype as well |
| 16:04.28 | tdeforest | mel was the most engaged by far |
| 16:04.57 | tdeforest | although he seemed to have no understanding of the project background |
| 16:05.12 | tdeforest | jess lost connection part way through. i don't know how long he was present. |
| 16:05.47 | tdeforest | i scheduled a follow up meeting for the 17th at 8pm EST |
| 16:06.16 | tdeforest | this suited mel's schedule and since he was the most active I thought it best to focus on him |
| 16:07.09 | smootar | tdeforest, did you do an interview this morning for someone in cebu? |
| 16:07.10 | tdeforest | we chatted only - no voice since mel doesn't have a mic |
| 16:07.39 | tdeforest | no. i requested an interview for tomorrow morning |
| 16:07.44 | smootar | ah |
| 16:08.10 | tdeforest | 9am EST |
| 16:08.14 | tdeforest | via skype |
| 16:08.41 | smootar | ok |
| 16:08.57 | tdeforest | with ferdinand |
| 16:09.08 | tdeforest | wait |
| 16:09.11 | smootar | ok, anything else? |
| 16:09.20 | tdeforest | i'm getting confused |
| 16:09.46 | TimRiker | ~confuse tdeforest |
| 16:09.47 | infobot | no them was my gouda tomorrow ? |
| 16:09.48 | tdeforest | applicant info is trickling in |
| 16:09.59 | scgallafent | keeps a large box of confused around in case tdeforest needs more |
| 16:10.23 | tdeforest | i'm never low on confused :) |
| 16:10.52 | tdeforest | that is all |
| 16:11.03 | smootar | thanks. |
| 16:11.06 | smootar | scgallafent? |
| 16:11.11 | scgallafent | I chased down all of the details on getting the new Google accounts converted from a free account to full accounts. I'll get that information to Matt Hyer so that he can make the request. |
| 16:11.24 | smootar | :) |
| 16:11.31 | scgallafent | TimRiker, I emailed you a little chunk of code to test HTTPS certificate validation on the Google Groups API code. Did you see that / get a chance to test it? |
| 16:11.59 | TimRiker | didn't get to it last week as we were on the road. I'll test today. |
| 16:12.09 | scgallafent | I suspected that was the case. |
| 16:12.17 | scgallafent | Just thought I'd check to make sure it came through. |
| 16:12.20 | scgallafent | Recprop is ready to start painting the walls on the new server and moving in furniture. Do we have access to the VM yet? |
| 16:12.49 | smootar | KFitz, do you know if dlhace has this ready? |
| 16:13.49 | smootar | Let's keep moving while waiting for dlhace and KFitz |
| 16:13.52 | scgallafent | I sent out a batch of emails before the last service day to get input on what format would make sense for chapter meetings. I got one response ... from a person who isn't really interested. Going to have to start making some phone calls. |
| 16:14.01 | KFitz | I havent talked to him about it |
| 16:15.24 | scgallafent | That is all for me. |
| 16:15.31 | smootar | scgallafent, we may want to rethink this. |
| 16:15.41 | scgallafent | Rethink chapter meetings? |
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| 16:16.07 | smootar | KFitz, do you have anything? |
| 16:16.12 | KFitz | no |
| 16:16.13 | TimRiker | thought that was rethink, not reconnect |
| 16:16.21 | scgallafent | grins |
| 16:16.58 | smootar | dlhace, there was a question about the VM for recprop. |
| 16:17.03 | smootar | Do you have any update on that? |
| 16:18.32 | smootar | TimRiker, while waiting for dlhace, do you want to provide a quick trip report? |
| 16:19.16 | smootar | Our meetings that we had? |
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| 16:20.01 | TimRiker | meetings were sparsely attended, but we did get some good contacts. |
| 16:20.29 | TimRiker | it's nice to have some face time with people. seems to be a lot of interest from those attending. |
| 16:20.51 | TimRiker | Looks like we'll continue to grow out there. |
| 16:21.26 | TimRiker | there were a few people interested in adding ldstech "chapters" to the existing byu chapters. That could work well. |
| 16:21.49 | TimRiker | meanwhile, I didn't get much on-line time in so email etc is about all I got to last week. |
| 16:22.34 | TimRiker | going to test scgallafent's code today, poke at svnrm, see if we can get recprop moved in, and start up dev instances on l5161. |
| 16:22.50 | TimRiker | other than that it should be a slow day. :) |
| 16:22.59 | smootar | :) |
| 16:23.01 | smootar | The most attended meeting was in Silicon Valley. They have a pretty strong group there. Everything else seemed a little weak. |
| 16:23.09 | scgallafent | I'll be parked in front of the computer all day, so ping me when it's time to move recprop. |
| 16:23.16 | TimRiker | nods |
| 16:23.21 | scgallafent | (Minus lunch and minor things like that.) |
| 16:23.34 | TimRiker | scgallafent, I think I can get recprop setup, I just don't know if it's externally accessible. |
| 16:24.05 | smootar | dlhace, you there yet? |
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| 16:24.24 | KFitz | he is probably in the LDS Account weekly team meeting |
| 16:24.27 | TimRiker | that's it for me |
| 16:24.35 | smootar | thanks TimRiker |
| 16:25.01 | smootar | johnsonth, we are just ending. |
| 16:25.06 | smootar | Do you have anything? |
| 16:25.14 | johnsonth | Yes, I have a few things. |
| 16:25.21 | johnsonth | I logged some bugs in JIRA with the wiki. |
| 16:25.34 | johnsonth | There are a couple of problems I'm hoping we can look at. |
| 16:25.51 | johnsonth | One is that after you log in, you're not redirected back to the page you're viewing. |
| 16:26.06 | smootar | That has been fixed in dev |
| 16:26.10 | johnsonth | This makes it difficult for people to edit content on a page. Unless you first log into the wiki and then navigate.... |
| 16:26.12 | johnsonth | Oh, great! |
| 16:26.12 | TimRiker | that's fixed in dev. just not pushed yet |
| 16:26.13 | smootar | Try it to make sure it wokrs. |
| 16:26.26 | smootar | wonders what wokrs is. |
| 16:26.37 | johnsonth | Also, search is problematic. |
| 16:26.48 | johnsonth | If you search for "help" and "Help" the results are different. |
| 16:26.56 | TimRiker | ~spell wokrs |
| 16:27.15 | johnsonth | or bbq and BBQ -- different results (this is an example in principle only) |
| 16:27.27 | johnsonth | there are some extensions we can install to improve the search. |
| 16:27.49 | dlhace | what was the question on the VM for recprop? |
| 16:27.51 | smootar | I'm guessing we would have to look into search. Anyone no off hand? |
| 16:27.54 | johnsonth | But before installing some of the extensions, it would be a good idea to update to the latest version of Mediawiki. I think we're several revisions behind. |
| 16:28.45 | smootar | That would be nice. Does anyone know of issues to updating to the latest version? |
| 16:28.51 | johnsonth | Also, some people want to make some pages more secure (requiring authentication) than others. This isn't possible with Mediawiki unless you install some extensions that Mediawiki itself advises against. |
| 16:29.14 | johnsonth | These pages are the ones that David Hazar highlighted with risk analysis. |
| 16:29.19 | dlhace | what are the questions on recprop? |
| 16:29.32 | johnsonth | One solution would be to create a secure instance of the wiki and then link the two through a technique called "interwiki links." |
| 16:29.47 | TimRiker | dlhace, is the new server externally accessible anywhere? |
| 16:30.02 | johnsonth | It would involve more maintenance, having an additional wiki for secure content, but it might solve some problems. |
| 16:30.34 | dlhace | no, the server is not external accesible |
| 16:30.49 | johnsonth | the only thing about upgrading to MW 1.18 is to make sure our theme is compatible with that version. |
| 16:30.50 | smootar | johnsonth, I'm wondering if the overhead is worth the need. |
| 16:31.17 | johnsonth | I agree. Multiple instances of a wiki is never desirable. |
| 16:31.38 | johnsonth | It's just one possible solution. |
| 16:32.21 | johnsonth | Also, I want to change up my strategy a bit. I'd like to move all help for LDS.org apps onto the LDSTech wiki (moving away from my ldshelp wiki). I also want the blog to showcase more highlights from new pages on the wiki. |
| 16:32.29 | smootar | I'm wondering if the information really is private. If it is, move the information to SharePoint or something. |
| 16:32.34 | dlhace | I didn't have any information on what VIP name and contxt |
| 16:33.00 | josephscott | just died a little bit inside at the mention of sharepoint ;-) |
| 16:33.02 | dlhace | to use for recprop |
| 16:33.03 | johnsonth | I need to do a content audit on the wiki and some major cleanup. |
| 16:33.25 | johnsonth | I have major plans to improve the findability of content on the wiki. |
| 16:33.57 | TimRiker | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access <- mediawiki permissions and listing of some extensions for finer grain access. |
| 16:33.57 | johnsonth | I think it should be a one-stop shop for all help content for member/leader facing church technology. |
| 16:34.08 | johnsonth | Also, FYI, Derek Hays is moving on to another position in December. |
| 16:34.37 | smootar | smiles and wonders how to "die a little bit". |
| 16:34.44 | smootar | Where is Derek going? |
| 16:34.51 | johnsonth | We were building bridges with his group (mhtech), so with his departure, we may need to reestablish that conversation. |
| 16:35.14 | johnsonth | That's it for me (for now). |
| 16:35.25 | smootar | Thanks. |
| 16:35.31 | smootar | 5 over. |
| 16:35.42 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:35.42 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 14 NOV 2011 ******* |
| 16:35.42 | smootar | ************************************************* |
| 16:35.45 | smootar | Thanks everyone. |
| 16:36.07 | smootar | We need to continue chatting with dlhace. |
| 16:36.16 | tdeforest | for anyone interested: http://vimeo.com/31466618 |
| 16:36.26 | smootar | on the server and figure out how to make it accessible outside. |
| 16:37.12 | smootar | tdeforest, is back. |
| 16:37.46 | tdeforest | :) |
| 16:37.55 | smootar | You have abandoned the mountain man look. |
| 16:42.53 | tdeforest | it was a great halloween costume |
| 16:46.55 | tdeforest | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mindfeed/6344789696/ |
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| 17:04.01 | josephscott | is coming to you live from the Texaco xpresslube in Sandy |
| 17:05.26 | tdeforest | haha. i chose an auto shop the other day because they could give me an internet connection. it was wired but it worked. |
| 17:07.48 | josephscott | wifi here, woot! |
| 17:17.57 | dlhace | what else do you need to ask? |
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| 17:51.13 | TimRiker | talentpool admin now has a jira-users filter |
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| 18:53.30 | tdeforest | josephscott: i notice the recprop tabs seem to still be using the default verdana instead of the lds.org lucida. it'd be nice to have that fixed. any advice on jumping in on recprop? |
| 18:54.00 | josephscott | yeah, I think those tabs are just the default styling provided by the jquery plugin being used |
| 18:55.13 | josephscott | that could be overridden in web/css/recprop.css, which is the last CSS file loaded |
| 19:04.10 | tdeforest | c'est bien |
| 19:12.50 | tdeforest | josephscott: i really like your 'framework'. i just downloaded and installed recprop on my local machine in 5 minutes. |
| 19:13.29 | josephscott | recprop is kind of a stone soup of approaches, think of it like a less developed Kib :-) |
| 19:14.22 | tdeforest | i can see the similarities. i've never heard the stone soup expression before... |
| 19:15.03 | josephscott | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_soup |
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| 19:18.07 | josephscott | a little bit of everything from a variety of people |
| 19:19.24 | tdeforest | ah |
| 19:26.35 | tdeforest | josephscott i don't have commit access. should i give myself commit rights or just send a patch to you? |
| 19:27.30 | josephscott | just css? give yourself commit privs, or ask scgallafent to grant them for you :-) |
| 19:27.56 | tdeforest | yeah. just one line of css. :) |
| 19:28.44 | scgallafent | I'll change commit privileges. Hold on. |
| 19:29.36 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Try now. |
| 19:29.41 | tdeforest | k |
| 19:31.16 | tdeforest | done. thank you gentleman :) |
| 19:31.27 | tdeforest | s/gentleman/gentlemen/ |
| 19:31.34 | scgallafent | I see a commit. Looks like it worked. |
| 19:56.11 | tdeforest | i made a couple of basic svn videos for a community member last week: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB92C7D777BBBD59A |
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| 20:38.02 | josephscott | tdeforest: I've got the core bits of Kib (non-LDS.org specific) at https://github.com/josephscott/kib |
| 20:38.38 | josephscott | I was thinking of adding support for a plugins/ dir under kib/ that could be used to have just the lds.org specific bits, would make keeping the core of Kib in sync easier |
| 20:39.11 | josephscott | functions would still be used the same, so no change from the dev point of view using the functions, just code location change |
| 20:40.12 | tdeforest | so they would be moved from lib/ to plugins/? |
| 20:41.43 | josephscott | just the Kib bits, so kib/kldsaccount.php for instance would be kib/plugins/kldsaccount.php |
| 20:41.55 | josephscott | but the functions would still be used the same and look the same from a dev point of view |
| 20:42.04 | tdeforest | gotcha |
| 20:42.13 | josephscott | hmmm, another possibility would be to support a higher level kib-plugins/ dir |
| 20:42.32 | josephscott | that would make using it as an external easier |
| 20:42.46 | josephscott | we'll see, just something I've been thinking about |
| 20:44.01 | tdeforest | higher level sounds a little cleaner from a framework perspective. either way is very workable |
| 20:45.16 | josephscott | yep, I'm giving that some strong consideration as default |
| 20:45.33 | josephscott | with an override option by defining K_PLUGINS or something |
| 20:45.54 | josephscott | this is what happens when I'm only at the idea stage without having written any code for the feature yet :-) |
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| 20:48.56 | tdeforest | :) the creative possibilities are endless |
| 20:49.13 | tdeforest | welcome rstegeby! |
| 20:49.23 | rstegeby | thank you =) |
| 20:50.12 | tdeforest | josephscott: rstegeby is interested in working on swarm. i've added him to the private project on ldstech |
| 20:50.30 | josephscott | cool |
| 20:50.38 | josephscott | didn't realize swarm was a private project |
| 20:51.24 | rstegeby | he he |
| 20:51.27 | tdeforest | josephscott: yeah. they're focusing on getting the philippines team going on this project so they've limited access. is that right smootar? |
| 20:52.53 | tdeforest | rstegeby is in sweden. |
| 20:53.04 | rstegeby | =) |
| 20:53.10 | rstegeby | Sorry for beeing somewhat inactive.. |
| 20:53.19 | rstegeby | I'm trying to read up on how I register my nick =) |
| 20:53.28 | tdeforest | no problem |
| 20:53.40 | rstegeby | havn't irc'ed in over 10 years ;) |
| 20:53.53 | tdeforest | i'm new to IRC this year |
| 20:53.59 | josephscott | cool, I think I have a co-worker or two in Sweden |
| 20:56.12 | rstegeby | nice |
| 20:56.17 | rstegeby | it's done =) |
| 20:56.30 | rstegeby | I've got the local up and running partly.. |
| 20:57.09 | rstegeby | but when I try to login it throws me to the page "/signinout" which doesn't exists.. |
| 20:58.12 | tdeforest | rstegeby: you followed the read me instructions for .htaccess and config-local settings? |
| 20:59.31 | rstegeby | i guess it's something with the .htaccess |
| 21:00.40 | tdeforest | this is my custom setting in .htaccess /swarm/web |
| 21:00.49 | tdeforest | for the RewriteBase |
| 21:02.20 | rstegeby | for me it's /swarm/trunk/web =) |
| 21:02.28 | rstegeby | but I keep looking at it |
| 21:02.37 | rstegeby | probably just missed something |
| 21:03.49 | TimRiker | scgallafent, ran the test code. did the group get created? /me goes to look |
| 21:08.56 | scgallafent | hold on... |
| 21:10.07 | scgallafent | TimRiker: I don't see it. What was the group name and domain? |
| 21:10.40 | rstegeby | got it to work.. heading to bed.. talk to you guys laterz! =) |
| 21:10.41 | TimRiker | groupName: curlTestGroup don't know where the domain is set |
| 21:10.49 | rstegeby | it's 22:10 here in sweden btw.. |
| 21:11.04 | tdeforest | rstegeby: excellent. good night |
| 21:11.10 | scgallafent | Probably still lds.org. I had that in code and moved it to a parameter this morning. |
| 21:11.43 | tdeforest | ~x sw en Lämnar |
| 21:12.06 | TimRiker | hmm. I don't see $domain used anywhere. |
| 21:12.19 | scgallafent | Nope. Just changed that earlier. |
| 21:12.25 | scgallafent | tdeforest: "leaves"\ |
| 21:12.45 | tdeforest | scgallafent: yep. ;) |
| 21:12.59 | scgallafent | TimRiker: Looking at the code in svn. |
| 21:13.25 | TimRiker | ah... $this->domain |
| 21:13.40 | scgallafent | Set to lds.org on line 14. |
| 21:14.00 | TimRiker | nods. was looking for $domain. :) |
| 21:14.13 | scgallafent | Do a var_dump($result) after curl_exec and see what comes back. |
| 21:14.26 | scgallafent | Line 65-ish. |
| 21:14.49 | TimRiker | changing domains and it works now. no cert warnings. |
| 21:15.29 | scgallafent | Check to make sure CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER is commented on line 61. |
| 21:15.34 | TimRiker | I did a var_dump($gApps); in test.php |
| 21:15.54 | TimRiker | commented out |
| 21:16.06 | scgallafent | OK. It should be verifying the certificate. |
| 21:16.11 | TimRiker | k |
| 21:16.18 | scgallafent | Let me see if the group was created. |
| 21:16.24 | TimRiker | it was |
| 21:16.56 | scgallafent | It's not listed in the control panel. |
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| 21:18.03 | TimRiker | https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/tech.lds.org/Group?groupId=curltestgroup@tech.lds.org |
| 21:18.15 | scgallafent | I was looking at lds.org. Wrong domain. |
| 21:18.38 | TimRiker | nods. should probably be using cdev.lds.org anyway... |
| 21:18.54 | scgallafent | I looked there, too. Just not at tech.lds.org. George just not lucky, I guess. |
| 21:20.09 | scgallafent | Some developers may need to disable the VERIFYPEER option for development (or point curl to a local certificate file). Should I add a configuration option to config.xml to disable it or is that better in configuration.php? |
| 21:24.02 | TimRiker | hmm. changed it to use jadmin@cdev.lds.org but I do not see group created there. |
| 21:24.38 | TimRiker | ah. typo. working now. |
| 21:25.35 | scgallafent | Works nicely. |
| 21:26.26 | scgallafent | Any preference on where to put the code to disable certificate checks for developers? |
| 21:27.13 | TimRiker | not really, nope. Should work to install the pub cert locally and makes the checks valid. |
| 21:28.06 | scgallafent | I think I'll put it in configuration.php and add a note to the readme with instructions for getting the file and enabling the option. |
| 21:28.22 | scgallafent | That keeps an option that isn't needed for production off the component configuration page. |
| 21:28.30 | TimRiker | nods |
| 21:28.50 | scgallafent | OK. Thanks for checking. Back to fun. |
| 21:29.05 | TimRiker | word of caution... configuration.php can be edited in the gui. I think that will wipe out any additions. |
| 21:29.14 | scgallafent | Ugh. |
| 21:29.20 | TimRiker | ie: it only saves what it knows about. |
| 21:29.54 | scgallafent | I'll test it and see. Where does it get edited in the GUI? |
| 21:31.53 | scgallafent | Got it. Global configuration. |
| 21:37.43 | TimRiker | if you're adding it.. it should probably go in the module config and not global config. |
| 21:37.51 | scgallafent | OK |
| 21:38.22 | scgallafent | Probably makes the most sense if configuration.php means tweaking the GUI. |