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15:44.00tdeforesthello
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15:59.25smootar*************************************************
15:59.25smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 21 NOV 2011 *****
15:59.25smootar*************************************************
15:59.30smootarWho is here for our meeting?
15:59.30scgallafentme
15:59.37smootarmoin
15:59.50scgallafentmoin
16:00.11tdeforesthere
16:01.03smootarscgallafent, do you want to start?
16:01.50scgallafentNothing major to report. I worked on GGroups on Friday and started looking through the Fortify reports from the old RecProp site. Saturday was best of EFY, so I was tied up all day.
16:02.11scgallafentJust read the email about George and testing. I missed that when it came through originally and will do that today.
16:02.26smootarWe have someone that want to test GG's, could he start doing that?
16:02.47scgallafentI'm modifying the code so that it allows completely enabling or disabling GGroups.
16:02.56smootarnods
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16:03.07scgallafentI haven't committed the major chunks because they would break things if everything isn't in place.
16:03.11smootarmoin KFitz
16:03.24KFitzgday
16:03.25scgallafentThis fixes that and then he can pull it for testing. Are you talking about George?
16:03.36smootarYes, George.
16:03.49smootarWould he test on cdev?
16:03.53scgallafentOK. I should wrap up these changes this morning.
16:04.07smootarI would think he would test there and not need to pull it local.
16:04.17scgallafentI'll need to update cdev to be ready to run it. There are some database changes to be made.
16:04.23scgallafentNothing major, though.
16:04.39smootarGreat, when do you think cdev would be ready for him to test?  
16:04.41scgallafentI've got credentials for the production database. I'll need to get cdev credentials from you (unless they're the same).
16:04.59scgallafentGive me a couple of hours and I'll know whether it is going to be today.
16:05.00smootarhmmm, I'll need to check.
16:05.06smootarnods
16:05.19scgallafentDatabase credentials are the only major roadblock.
16:05.24smootarAnything else?
16:05.33scgallafentI have some minor refactoring to clean up code and comments, but that shouldn't stop him.
16:05.35tdeforesti believe credentials are the same using phpmyadmin, right?
16:05.46scgallafentI'll check right now. Nothing else.
16:05.59smootarprobably.
16:06.31smootarThx.
16:06.36smootartdeforest?
16:06.50tdeforestspoke with the southern maine chapter on friday
16:07.00tdeforestthey have a group of five.
16:07.05scgallafentTested - OK for database.
16:07.22smootarthx scgallafent
16:07.37tdeforestthey look forward to doing some testing. we can send GG testing info too when you're ready
16:08.09scgallafentK
16:08.12tdeforestthey are going to meet on a different day from the service day
16:08.50tdeforesti've sent a couple of emails to mel in the philippines after he missed our meeting on thurs night EST
16:09.05tdeforesti cc'd todd on one of them. still no word
16:09.41smootarRemind me, is Mel the developer?
16:09.53tdeforesthe is one of the devs
16:10.02smootarOk.
16:10.17tdeforesti've had one mtg with him
16:10.34smootar:(
16:10.46tdeforestyeah
16:10.55smootarWe have a good candidate for the project lead though, correct?
16:11.04tdeforestany suggestions? i plan on trying to reconnect this week
16:11.05tdeforestyes
16:11.12tdeforesttimriker has his info
16:11.13smootarHe is the one that will be working with Mel.
16:11.17tdeforestright
16:11.33smootarI would push to get our lead hired and go from there.
16:11.34tdeforestone candidate is out of the running
16:11.41tdeforestk
16:11.42smootarThe lead will be full time and that will be his only job.
16:11.46smootarI think that will make a difference.
16:11.51tdeforestsounds good
16:12.06tdeforestthe only other remaining candidate has not sent me a resume
16:12.21smootarHmmm, that isn't a good sign.
16:12.49tdeforesti feel good about the one i interviewed and am interested in hearing timriker's review
16:13.02smootarVery good, does he have a time setup for that?
16:13.06smootarTimRiker?
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16:13.19tdeforesti don't know
16:13.31smootar~seen TimRiker
16:13.44infobottimriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 2d 18h 43m 47s ago, saying: 'can't complain. but sometimes I still do'.
16:14.48smootarAnything else tdeforest ?
16:14.54tdeforesti made a change to the banner but haven't committed it
16:15.01tdeforestit can be reviewed here: https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-521
16:15.28tdeforestthe homepage banner doesn't match the others and it isn't obvious that it is a link, thus the change
16:15.50tdeforestthat is all
16:15.52smootarNice and clean.
16:16.35smootarI've been in discussions about LDSTech with Meeting House Technologies and the architects.
16:16.36scgallafentMuch better
16:17.00smootarThere are many different audiences that come to LDSTech.
16:17.27tdeforestsmootar: agreed
16:17.32scgallafentnods
16:17.45smootarWe have discussed with Ted Boren a plan to find out who all comes to LDSTech and why.
16:17.58tdeforesti'm looking forward to the results of that
16:18.01scgallafentclaps :)
16:18.19smootarOnce we get a good view of all of the audiences, we can discuss potential changes that will address each audience.
16:18.35tdeforestsounds good
16:18.43smootarThere were 5 audiences identified in a meeting that I had on Thursday.  But there may be more.
16:19.04scgallafentAny idea how that will happen? Online survey?
16:19.13smootarAnyway, I will keep you posted.  
16:19.19tdeforesti've been trying to get the mtg recordings from johnsonth
16:19.20smootarYes Online Survey is what he has done in the past.
16:19.21KFitzwhich audiences did you identify?
16:20.00smootarthinks.
16:20.16KFitz*Rick Perry* ;)
16:20.30scgallafentlaughs
16:20.44smootarLDSTech Project workers.
16:21.02smootarStake Technology Specialists.
16:21.17smootarGeneral Membership interested in the latest technology.
16:21.54smootarArchitects - Bryan Austad wants to start publishing and having discussions.
16:22.29josephscotthasn't built a bridge in years, but it always sounds like fun
16:22.37scgallafentArchitects as in buildings? (aec.ldschurch.org)
16:22.43smootarCan't remember the last one.
16:22.50smootarSoftware Architects.
16:23.05KFitzneither could rick, its ok alan
16:23.06smootarHe wants to discuss software archtecure that isn't related to any specific project.
16:23.07josephscottoh cool, I'd never seen aec.ldschurch.org before
16:23.22smootarfeels picked on by KFitz
16:23.42scgallafentBut did you laugh?
16:23.51smootarThe last one is Internal ICS / Church Employees.
16:24.16smootarThere are probably more audiences, but we will find out through the survey.
16:24.32scgallafentWould people looking for information related to a calling issue (clerks, building schedulers, etc.) fall into stake technology specialists?
16:24.38smootarsobbing in the corner.
16:24.43smootar:)
16:24.53scgallafentSomeone give smootar a hug.
16:25.01tdeforest~give smootar a hug
16:25.02infobotACTION gives a hug to smootar
16:25.03smootarI think it depends on the purpose of their visit.
16:25.15smootarIf the purpose is the same, yes.
16:25.24smootarfeels better.
16:25.33scgallafentI see two subgroups there:
16:25.40smootarThey will catagorize by why the come.
16:25.58scgallafentstake technology specialists looking for more general information and people looking for specific information related to a problem they're experiencing with technology in their calling.
16:26.07smootarwonders where TimRiker is.
16:26.25smootarRight.
16:26.31scgallafentsaw a passing tribe of bedouins
16:26.39smootar:)
16:26.51josephscottthe forum threads provide lots of details on who and why people come to tech.lds.org
16:27.02smootarjosephscott, great point
16:27.04josephscottgoes back to lurking now
16:27.29smootarThe forums are by far the most visited area on LDSTech.
16:27.59smootarWe have great Forum Moderators.
16:28.12smootarKFitz, do you have anything?
16:28.14KFitzno
16:28.20scgallafentIt might be good to ask them to characterize why they see people visiting.
16:28.27KFitzyou still havent come by, so I am feeling a little down about that
16:28.43smootarKFitz, coming after this meeting.
16:29.12KFitzI'm good, GA scratched my back
16:29.22smootarThe survey will be free form at first.
16:29.29smootarThen they can narrow afterward.
16:29.43smootarIt will be interesting to see the results.
16:29.51smootarWe don't have a time yet, just early discussion.
16:29.58smootarI don't have a lot of budget to spend on this kind of thing.
16:30.07KFitzhow is the survey going out?
16:30.19smootarbringing a back scratcher.
16:30.34smootarIt will prompt people when they arrive if they are will to take a survey.
16:30.39scgallafentI'm imagining one of those popup surveys (except a little less obtrusive).
16:30.44smootarSo, it won't force but will give people an opportunity.
16:30.58smootarscgallafent, we should chat.
16:31.11smootarOK, times up.  Anything else?
16:31.14scgallafentJust ping me when you have time.
16:31.23smootarwill do.
16:31.26smootar*************************************************
16:31.26smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 21 NOV 2011 *******
16:31.26smootar*************************************************
16:31.29smootarThanks everyone.
16:31.36smootarstill looking for TimRiker.
16:31.40josephscottok, just one more, http://aec.ldschurch.org/ redirects to http://aec.ldschurch.org/aec/ (lame)
16:31.41tdeforestciao
16:31.51josephscott~find timriker
16:32.29scgallafentjosephscott: I agree. I also find it difficult to remember that it's aec.ldschurch.org and not aec.lds.org. I understand why, but that doesn't mean it sticks in my brain.
16:32.46josephscottyep, need to pick one and stick with it
16:32.53smootarwould like to see this kind of thing fixed.
16:33.20smootarI did see movement on our email addresses from ldschurch.org to lds.org.  We will see how far it gets.
16:33.41smootarwalks over to see KFitz.
16:33.47scgallafentI've always assumed that lds.org was intended to be "doctrinal" and ldschurch.org "administrative."
16:33.56KFitzlds.org = ecclesiastical ldschurch.org = adminstrative
16:34.08KFitzwhat scallagent said
16:34.14scgallafentlikes KFitz's word (ecclesiastical) better
16:35.01josephscotta difference that likely no one outside of ICS will know about
16:35.21scgallafentGood point
16:35.28KFitzyup Joseph
16:35.42scgallafentgrins
16:36.15scgallafentOf all the people to find, you would think TimRiker would be Debian's favorite.
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18:45.06tdeforestdoes anyone here use phpgedview? just installed it on my own site. although the interface is antiquated and clunky it seems to work well.
19:01.01smootarAudience list from someone elses notes for tech.lds.org:
19:01.01smootar* Community volunteers
19:01.02smootar* Members with technology callings (stake technology specialists, website administrators, clerks, family history directors, facility managers, etc.)
19:01.02smootar* Techie members
19:01.02smootar* News publishers looking for technology stories
19:01.02smootar* Church IT employees
19:01.32smootarI would add architects to this list.  Bryan Austad's audience.
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20:07.48estebanwebhi
20:07.53estebanwebi have a question
20:08.37estebanwebi need an jira account
20:08.39josephscottestebanweb: ?
20:09.12josephscottjira account setup and permissions are tied to joining each project and what role you have on the project
20:10.49estebanwebI already joined a project
20:11.42estebanwebbut I figured as "observer"
20:16.51josephscottI think that gets your read access to jira, don't recall specifically which roles map to which permissions in jira
20:17.11josephscottwas there a particular project you were looking at?
20:22.29estebanwebis phpstack
20:24.04smootarestebanweb, are you a developer?
20:24.28estebanwebyes i am
20:24.53estebanwebphp. perl, Java, etc
20:25.00smootarI have just made you a developer on that project.
20:25.17scgallafentPHPStack doesn't have a lot of activity.
20:25.37smootarThat is true.  Is there any tasks that are outstanding?
20:25.47smootars/Is/Are/
20:26.15scgallafentNot a lot. Work on that generally gets done when someone runs into a problem in the stack while working on a different project.
20:26.20josephscottnot directly
20:26.43scgallafentThe active PHP projects I know of are RecProp, some work being done on BSIR.
20:26.44estebanwebok
20:26.45josephscottI started a separate branch (kib) to test a few things, used those on swarm
20:26.52scgallafentSwarm is anotehr.
20:26.59scgallafents/anotehr/another/
20:27.05estebanwebBSIR? what is this?
20:27.39scgallafentBishops' Storehouse Inventory Reporting system. I know there is some active development being done it, but I don't know how much. Most of what is being done is reporting.
20:27.50scgallafentI've seen commits in the past few days, so I know it's getting activity.
20:28.21estebanwebok
20:28.34scgallafentWe could put you to work on RecProp. Have you looked at that project?
20:29.22josephscottrecprop is where most of the php action is right now I'd say, with swarm starting to ramp up
20:29.34estebanwebI apply to the project and look in what I help
20:30.17estebanwebback to the original question, how do I get a JIRA account?
20:30.27scgallafentYou need to be added to a project to be provisioned in Jira.
20:30.39estebanwebok
20:30.47estebanwebthanks folks
20:30.47scgallafentJoin RecProp and let me know when you've done that.
20:31.10estebanwebwhere is RecProp ?
20:31.19scgallafentRecreation Properties in the project list.
20:31.48scgallafenthttps://tech.lds.org/?option=com_talentpool&controller=projects&view=joinproject&Itemid=39&joinid=620
20:31.51josephscottis there a specific ticket you are trying to file in Jira?  Just wondering why if there was something specific you are trying to find in Jira
20:32.47estebanwebready, I'm in RecProp
20:32.56scgallafentOK.
20:33.26estebanwebjust trying to see what could help
20:33.41scgallafentI've changed your role. Now see if you can see Jira for that project.
20:35.12estebanwebthanks
20:35.19scgallafentDo you see Jira for the project?
20:35.24estebanwebyes
20:35.43scgallafentI'm jumping into Jira.
20:36.08scgallafentGo to the road map and then to version 2.10
20:36.21scgallafentThen go to issues
20:39.26estebanwebi will donwload the project and see
20:39.38scgallafentOK. We'll be here if you have trouble getting it running.
20:41.06estebanwebthanks again
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