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15:10.55tdeforestmoin all
15:11.24tdeforesti would just like to say that I'm looking forward to having a google group for LDSTech
15:13.16tccastaldomoin
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16:00.03smootar***********************************************
16:00.03smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 5 JAN 2012 ****
16:00.03smootar***********************************************
16:00.08smootarWho is here?
16:00.13tccastaldoGood morning, everyone.
16:00.14JoshBanghere
16:00.29tccastaldowaves.
16:00.33tdeforesthowdy
16:00.58scgallafentwaves
16:01.14smootarWell let's get started.  tccastaldo do you want to start?
16:01.27tccastaldoCertainly.
16:02.03tccastaldoYesterday we did a lot of testing for the LDSTech Conference Scheduler.
16:02.29tccastaldoI peeked at the Java code behind it but did not dare touch any of it.
16:02.58tccastaldoInstead, I logged a lot of bugs and worked with TimRiker to get a few of them resolved.
16:03.01scgallafentthinks tccastaldo is wise
16:03.09tccastaldoWhere is TimRiker, anyway?
16:03.18smootar~seen TimRiker
16:03.19infobottimriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 16h 43m 9s ago, saying: 'the cint version has city now. /me cringes from having touched the code'.
16:03.24josephscott~apb TimRiker
16:03.24infobotACTION hires baby Lyssa to spray mace at TimRiker
16:03.24KFitz*here*
16:04.11tccastaldoMaybe TimRiker is ashamed from having altered the code.
16:04.24tccastaldoAnyway, that's what I was up to all day yesterday.
16:04.36smootarTimRiker said he would be in late today.
16:04.41scgallafentthinks TimRiker is meeting with his therapist after working on the code
16:04.47smootar:)
16:04.52smootartccastaldo, thank you.
16:05.02tccastaldoYou're welcome.
16:05.08smootarThere were several fixes made during this time.
16:05.33smootarTimRiker didn't do what tccastaldo did, he actually made some changes and it is out on http://cint.lds.org/scheduler
16:05.57smootarKFitz should perk up that we are hardening this and are trying to get this out to production by tomorrow morning.
16:06.03scgallafentI looked at the code. He needs hazard pay.
16:06.12smootar:)
16:06.21smootarWe should all pitch in.
16:06.34smootartdeforest, do you want to go next?
16:06.40KFitzHave fun ;)
16:06.48tdeforestsure
16:06.49KFitzwe need to have a release meeting.
16:07.12KFitzafter this release we need to create some test cases for the subsequent releases
16:07.22smootarKFitz, could you send me the latest release meeting template doc?
16:07.29KFitzYup
16:07.29tdeforestdid more work on prototyping the QA portal for the homepage and the flow that it entails
16:07.51KFitzI am actually moving it to Sharepoint so its easy to query on projects completed at the end of the year
16:08.09tdeforesti'll be working on getting access to the production server today
16:08.12smootarnods to KFitz
16:08.13KFitzso I can bring the document to the meeting that you will set up ;) and then I will move it to sharepoing
16:08.15KFitzt
16:08.38smootarnotices we are talking over tdeforest
16:08.42KFitztdeforest, I sent you a comment back on the email thread, hopefully it made sense
16:09.43tdeforestKFitz: i see it. so projects will only live in that portal for a week?
16:10.16KFitzwell, my fear is, we will have more than 10 projects that need QA help and the portal will grow to a stupid size ;)
16:10.44smootarsecretly hopes we have that problem.
16:10.56KFitzI dont, it wont be useable
16:11.15smootarIt would mean we have good ICS engagement.
16:11.25smootarThat would be awesome.
16:11.38KFitzbut would be an aweful experience for our end users
16:11.46tdeforestagrees with smootar
16:11.59tdeforestif we have that problem, we can fix it
16:12.04KFitzand if we have mroe than 5 or so projects on there it becomes noise
16:12.42tdeforest*if*
16:12.46smootarDo we want to have things that show: If you have an iPhone, iPad, Android, Computer browser, etc.
16:12.52TimRikerwe can limit the size and queue up the testers for upcoming projects.
16:12.57scgallafentlikes that idea
16:13.32tccastaldodoes, too.
16:13.43tdeforestthat's a good idea
16:13.50TimRikeryes. we should ask what devices people have in the profile someplace. we should also document how to get emulators running. particularly for android devices.
16:14.00scgallafentI haven't looked at the work tdeforest did yet, but the ability to filter by technology or category (MLS Web, Mobile apps, etc.) would make it easier for the end user.
16:14.16KFitzI guess, I dont understand what the portal is for than.
16:14.22smootarMaybe the portal just shows the devices and platform, then they click to see what projects they could test for that platform.
16:14.31KFitzMy thinking was that it was a hot list of projects we need immediate help on
16:14.39KFitzrather than a laundry list of qa projects
16:14.42smootarI would agree that it is a hotlist.
16:15.00KFitzif its a hot list, than we need to only show the hot items… s'what my point was
16:15.02TimRikeragrees with KFitz. we should filter it, but focus on the work, not the devices or platform.
16:15.07smootarSo, there needs to be a way to determine what shows in the hotlist. We would need to prioritize it.
16:15.14KFitzagreed TimRiker
16:15.16scgallafentCalendar went through a "recruiting" phase and a testing phase. I would think they only show up during the recruiting phase.
16:15.34tdeforestright
16:15.43smootarGood point.
16:16.24smootarCurrently we have a project that is for Accessibility for mormon.org.
16:16.46tdeforestk. sounds like it will need some more work to match these requirements
16:16.46smootarI have someone coming to chat that wants to use that group for many projects in the future.
16:17.12smootarWhen he asked me about this, it might make sense to do this for other things.
16:17.38smootarGroup people that have Android tablets for instance.
16:17.50smootarThen you can reach out to that group when a hot project comes on board.
16:17.58smootarFor an Android Tablet.
16:18.08KFitzgrouping and filtering people based on devices etc, is different than the hot list
16:18.16KFitzthats just a mailing or communication list
16:18.28smootarAgreed, but the hotlist only applies to you if you can test it.
16:19.15TimRikerI need to stop out here shortly... a bit about the scheduler first...
16:19.18smootarLet me back off from this.
16:19.27smootarTimRiker, go
16:19.33smootarTalk about Scheduler.
16:19.38KFitzbtw, I cant make the 9:30 meeting today, I have another meeting.
16:19.46smootarnods
16:19.53TimRikerI spent quite a bit of time just cleaning up code yesterday. Database connect information is in like 40 different places in the code.
16:20.02smootar:(
16:20.09smootarHazard pay needed.
16:20.25TimRikerpicture cache is hardcoded to a local directory. pdf slided hardcoded to another directory.
16:20.41scgallafentTimRiker: I can't do much as far as testing, but I can work on cleaning some of that up if you'll note it as you catch it.
16:20.51tccastaldocovers his eyes in horror.
16:20.52TimRikersample data hardcoded to yet another local directory and a local /sort url on a magic port.
16:21.10tdeforestTimRiker: how far away is it from being usable?
16:21.23TimRikerso paper uploads were dieing cause they had no access to the hardcoded directory to create files.
16:21.38TimRikerI made the directory and now uploading papers should work.
16:21.53TimRikerthe auto-build for cdev is broken, as is the manual deploy.
16:22.23TimRikerthe manual deploy works for cint though. the auto-build does not. so I need to spin off a manual build and then a manual deploy.
16:22.32tdeforestthinks standing up wordpress with an event management plugin would take less time
16:22.41TimRikerI've done that, and the cint instance is working (sorta)/
16:23.01TimRikerjadmin has admin and there is one session with 2 time slots there.
16:23.14TimRikerwe need to test on that site. https://cint.lds.org/scheduler/
16:23.43TimRikerI added City to the registration. removed a ton of hardcoded referenced to ldstech2011 and sort2011.
16:23.51TimRikerthere are still a bunch more.
16:24.16TimRikerwe need a solution that exports the attachments to the web someplace. I suspect the easiest would be to
16:24.47TimRikerinclude a scheduler/papers/foo.pdf module that reads local files and delivers them.
16:25.21TimRikereasier to deploy and maintain. similiar issue for attendee photos and conference logos.
16:25.45smootarAre these issues in Jira?
16:25.49scgallafentDo we want to try to do that before standing it up or just hack the changes in and then do it right after it's standing?
16:26.00TimRikerI have access to both the cint and cdev servers. Had to hand fixup the mondo db to get things working.
16:26.16smootarFrom my perspective, I would like to get people expressing interest in coming by registering.
16:26.22TimRikerIt really should allow admin registration if the db is empty so local access is not required.
16:26.54TimRikerwe might consider adding a short name for the conference to the url if we really want to support multiple conferences.
16:27.03smootarCan people do the basic registration?
16:27.50smootarWe have a little time before we need all the  admin stuff...
16:28.01TimRikerthe links from a talk to the presenter are by the _full name_ of the presenters. This name is of course changeable, which breaks all the links. and there does not appear to be an easy way to update the names in every paper the presenter might have on name change.
16:28.25TimRikerthe ldsaccount name does not show up anywhere. we've conditioned people to use that name on tech.lds.org.
16:28.45TimRikercourse security now claims that the ldsaccount name is private and we should not show that anywhere.
16:29.14TimRikerso anyone can rename themselves Alan Smoot and do social hacking. nice secure option, but that's another conversation.
16:29.15scgallafentgroans and has visions of HIPAA
16:29.21josephscottnotes the 'ldsaccount name is private' reference
16:29.50TimRikeryes. cint should be ready for testing with the new city added, and the "must be required" text updated.
16:29.58TimRikerldstech2011 references removed, etc.
16:30.30smootarthinks tdeforest needs to create an image for the logo on the scheduler.
16:30.45TimRikerbut cint is using coda. we still do NOT have a production instance. dlhace will need to allocate a machine for that and get mongo installed.
16:31.00tccastaldois looking at TimRiker's work on cint and likes what he sees.
16:31.08TimRikerimage for the logo won't display anyway till we fix the web export issue.
16:31.13smootar~seen dlhace
16:31.18infobotdlhace <d831b5fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.49.181.254> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 18h 1m 4s ago, saying: 'l5788 should be updated also'.
16:31.31TimRikermight be able to upload person pictures or conference pictures now, but they will not display.
16:31.43smootarWe need to cut this short.
16:31.50smootarWe have a meeting with Prokarma
16:31.50tdeforesti can make a logo. let me know the size it needs to be
16:31.57TimRikersame for presentation papers (which attendees can't see, just admins. apparently by design?)
16:32.04smootarAre these items in Jira?
16:32.08TimRikeryep. I gotta run.
16:32.11smootarWill Prokarma be able to see them?
16:32.19TimRikermost items are in jira. some assigned to me now.
16:32.30scgallafentShould I work on this some today or will Prokarma handle the bulk of it?
16:32.37TimRikerI'll look things over and get the path issues in there which are not yet.
16:33.09smootarIf you work on something, make sure that you assign the bug to yourself.
16:33.15KFitztdeforest I want a logo
16:33.16TimRikerooh, scgallafent wants to do java coding... sure! but you'll need to test locally as we still don't have any auto deploys.
16:33.38TimRikersmootar, yes. I've assigned some existing issues to me, as well as creating new ones.
16:33.48scgallafentWants? No. Fill the need? Only if it makes smootar smile.
16:34.09smootar:)
16:34.20smootarThanks TimRiker
16:34.20smootar***********************************************
16:34.20smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 5 JAN 2012 ******
16:34.20smootar***********************************************
16:34.26TimRikerk. I gotta run. good luck on the call. I can be on the call next week. sry for the timing of my errand... =/
16:34.34smootarAttending other meeting... we will need to connect with others later.
16:34.37josephscottsee a need, fill a need
16:34.38tdeforestKFitz: send me the specs ;)
16:35.35JoshBangWhat should I do?
16:35.59tdeforestJoshBang: is gg ready for testing?
16:36.21JoshBangI have no idea, scgallafent is gg ready for testing?
16:37.49scgallafentWe're still waiting on a couple of items. DNS changes haven't happened yet. TimRiker set another request yesterday. Apps accounts will need to be upgraded, but we can start testing without that.
16:38.59JoshBangOk, is there anything else that you would like me to do until we can test it?
16:40.13scgallafentNo. I would sit tight until the DNS is updated. Otherwise you'll end up testing some of it multiple times.
16:40.27tdeforestJoshBang: have you gone through the LDSTech jira tickets?
16:40.35JoshBangok
16:40.44JoshBangNo, what shoudl I do with those?
16:40.48JoshBangshould*
16:40.53scgallafentstarts checking out the sort project
16:41.21tdeforesti suggest looking for something you feel comfortable tackling.
16:41.39JoshBangThe ones that are fixed?
16:41.47tdeforestno. the ones that are open.
16:42.14JoshBanghaha I dont know how to fix problems. I wish that I did though.
16:42.47JoshBangIs there anythign that a non genius can fix?
16:43.06tdeforesthmmm…ok. do you have access to Alan's Project Health spreadsheet in google docs?
16:43.29JoshBangi dont know, how do I find out?
16:44.08tdeforestthat probably means you don't. i can send you an invite. what email account would you like me to send the invite to?
16:44.40JoshBangbangerterj@ldschurch.com
16:44.43JoshBangi think thats it
16:44.44JoshBangoen sec
16:44.57JoshBangyeah thats it
16:45.03JoshBang.org
16:45.07JoshBangnot .com sorry
16:45.14tdeforestk. one moment
16:50.16tccastaldoHow do I dial out?
16:50.25KFitz9
16:50.49tccastaldoTried that, but it automatically stops me after 5 digits, even after dialing 9.
16:52.16tccastaldoCountry code is needed.  Got it. Thx.
16:53.27tdeforestJoshBang: that spreadsheet contains a list of projects from ldstech. basically it's a tool to see how projects are doing.
16:53.41JoshBangOk thanks a bunch
16:55.32tdeforestif new projects have been added to ldstech they will need to be added to this list.
16:56.10JoshBangK
16:57.48tdeforestbasically we need you to ascertain the health of each project and record it
16:57.59tdeforestdo you have any questions?
16:58.17JoshBangNot at the moment but once I start I probably will
16:58.35JoshBangand I'm not getting the email, maybe my outlook one is joshbang@ldschurch.org
16:59.05JoshBangOh, yeah it is. sorry
16:59.13JoshBanghow do I get to my other email
16:59.56tdeforestoh. i'll resend
17:00.38tdeforestsent
17:00.48JoshBangThanks
17:04.55JoshBangI still havent gotten it for some reason, I just sent you an email
17:06.17tdeforestis it going to your spam box?
17:06.57JoshBangNope
17:08.27tdeforestk. i'll send again
17:08.45JoshBangK, sorry
17:09.08tdeforestsent
17:11.07JoshBangstill nothing. I press send/receive but it still wont show up. can you send it to joshbang@me.com? sorry for the hassle
17:16.07tdeforesti'll try that
17:16.45tdeforestsent
17:18.51tdeforestgoing to lunch
17:19.10JoshBangk
17:52.05tccastaldoAnyone still on who's working on/looking at the scheduler?
18:10.23tdeforestdon't know. prokarma?
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18:14.34tdeforestJoshBang: did you receive the google doc?
18:15.01JoshBanghaha still no
18:15.15JoshBangI dont know whats going on, zach sent me a couple of emails
18:15.50JoshBangI got the test email
18:17.48tdeforestmaybe you're not meant to work on that right now ;)
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18:20.07JoshBangYou must be right hahaha
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18:28.12scgallafentsmootar: Did you see the email I sent about two weeks ago with a status update I was going to send to the RecProp project members?
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19:05.34TimRikercan someone see what the issue link to coda-86 looks like here? https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-377
19:08.27josephscottthe title of that ticket isn't nearly long enough
19:11.47scgallafentTimRiker: I can see it .What do need to know about it?
19:12.08TimRikerjosephscott, hehe. that was just a joke ticket.
19:12.17TimRikerscgallafent, can you see the link? can you follow it?
19:12.20scgallafentYes.
19:12.35scgallafentI remember when LDSTECH-377 was created. :)
19:13.00scgallafentThe link to CODA-86 shows up as a link with strikethrough.
19:15.27josephscottas does the LDSTECH-377 link on the CODA-86 ticket
19:23.13scgallafentTimRiker: Do you know that cdev joomla talent pool admin parameter update is throwing an exception? (Say that fast three times)
19:23.48TimRikerno. where? link?
19:23.55scgallafenthttps://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/joomla/administrator/index.php?option=com_talentpool
19:24.15scgallafentLooks like Jira is sending back an invalid username or password error.
19:24.47scgallafentBe sure to enjoy the Java stack trace.
19:33.46tdeforestsmootar, scgallafent TimRiker just sent you an invite to QA hotlist requirements document.
19:35.01tdeforestkfitz got it to but he isn't here
19:35.35scgallafentLooks like a starting spot. I haven't looked at the work you did yesterday, so I'm a little behind on what it looks like now.
19:36.45tdeforestk. it can be seen on http://cdev.lds.org/ldstech/joomla/
19:47.12scgallafenttdeforest: Looks straightforward to me. I'll go read the email discussion now.
20:01.53tccastaldo"Minimum one day conference need to be checked."
20:02.23tccastaldoI'll go put that in JIRA.
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21:27.22TimRikeris locked out of exchange for the moment.
21:27.53TimRikertccastaldo, I thought I already saw a jira on the "need to be checked" text.
21:28.14tccastaldoMaybe it was already there...
21:28.30tccastaldo...better two than none, though, right?
21:28.32TimRikerfires off a manual build
21:28.37TimRikerno.
21:28.47TimRikerbetter to merge duplicate tickets. :)
21:28.55tccastaldoOh.
21:29.24TimRikerwell. ok. I do suppose a few duplicates are better than missing issues.
21:29.55TimRikerjust in the context of swarm, 100 people opening new tickets for the same issue is worse than it not getting opened.
21:30.15TimRikerif the signal to noise ration drops, even good things get ignored.
21:30.30tccastaldoAh.
21:33.20TimRikerbuild finished. deploying...
21:33.34TimRiker(to cint that is) https://cint.lds.org/scheduler/
21:38.36tccastaldoCity, State/Province, ZIP/Postal Code look great!
21:38.43TimRiker:)
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22:01.17smootarThanks dlhace
22:02.11TimRikersmootar, if I change the rootcontext in the app to /conf/  will all the wam entries and f5 rules need to change? can we do all those for cdev and cint?
22:02.31TimRikers/smootar/dlhace/
22:02.35smootarTimRiker, was that a question for dlhace?
22:02.37smootarYes it was.
22:03.22TimRikerdlhace, smootar, I copied you on the email asking about getting a continuous build working. I'll work on that as soon as I have more info.
22:03.49dlhaceyes the wam stuff would need to change
22:03.59dlhaceyes we can
22:04.32TimRikerok. I'll change and push to cint. we'll start there.
22:09.57TimRikershould the artifact be renamed to conf ? or stay scheduler?
22:18.07TimRikerhmm.. does the "servlet-name" change too? I think not.
22:22.06dlhaceit can remain scheduler
22:23.16dlhacethe context pramater will just copy the artifact into the webapp directory as conf.war  which by the default of the base makes that the root context
22:23.40dlhaceso we will need to clean up the server after the first deploy with the new context
22:23.48dlhaceto remove the old
22:24.23dlhaceokay i have deployed the code to the l5488 server
22:24.28dlhaceAccess http://l5488:8480/conf/
22:24.40dlhacefor internal access only.  i am getting an error
22:24.50TimRikerI just committed the changes...
22:49.01scgallafentI learned that lesson from watching a mission president change 3/4 of the way through my mission. He came in and started making a bunch of changes and it didn't go well.
22:49.04scgallafentThere are a few teachers that are phenomenal and others where I just can't wait for the school year to end -- forget what my kids thing.
22:49.08scgallafentThere are a few teachers that are phenomenal and others where I just can't wait for the school year to end -- forget what my kids thing.
22:49.10scgallafentThis one doesn't check their homework except to see that it's done. I asked her at back-to-school night how the kids were supposed to know if they weren't understanding the concepts if she didn't grade their homework. She got a little bit of a deer-in-the-headlights look.
22:49.12scgallafentThere are a few teachers that are phenomenal and others where I just can't wait for the school year to end -- forget what my kids thing.
22:49.15scgallafents
22:49.18scgallafentThis one doesn't check their homework except to see that it's done. I asked her at back-to-school night how the kids were supposed to know if they weren't understanding the concepts if she didn't grade their homework. She got a little bit of a deer-in-the-headlights look.
22:49.21scgallafentI learned that lesson from watching a mission president change 3/4 of the way through my mission. He came in and started making a bunch of changes and it didn't go well.
22:49.24scgallafentMy daughter has had three different math teachers in her three years at the high school. This year I basically reteach all of the concepts every night. Lots of work and frustration.
22:49.28scgallafents
22:49.31scgallafentThis one doesn't check their homework except to see that it's done. I asked her at back-to-school night how the kids were supposed to know if they weren't understanding the concepts if she didn't grade their homework. She got a little bit of a deer-in-the-headlights look.
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22:50.25scgallafentgroans at his IRC client ... again.
22:52.09scgallafentadmits it could be user error, but prefers to blame it on the user interface
22:54.56tccastaldochuckles
22:56.01TimRikercdir jira is broken... we're working on it.
23:01.18tccastaldoDescription must be required, according to coursecrud.
23:01.40TimRikeris there no red dot?
23:02.01tccastaldoThere is a red dot.
23:12.24TimRikerthen we're ok, yes?
23:13.50tccastaldoI guess so...?
23:20.46tccastaldoI was referring to the wording ("must be required").
23:24.46TimRikerdlhace, did you add a redirect from http to https on cdev for /scheduler? can you add one for /conf on cint? (we'll eventually remove it but we need to get things working first)
23:24.54TimRikerah!
23:25.22TimRikerhttps://cint.lds.org/conf/ might be up...
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23:28.31dlhacehttp-> http redirect is done
23:28.45dlhacecdev swtiched from scheduler to conf
23:30.58TimRikerdlhace, hitting http://cint.lds.org/conf/* should redirect to https.
23:31.19TimRikernote: cint wam login screen is http !?! instead of https.
23:31.24TimRikerhttp://cint.lds.org/SSOSignIn/
23:31.32TimRikerthat should never show up on http.
23:32.19TimRikerhttps://cint.lds.org/conf/ should require WAM login.
23:33.07TimRikerthere's no anonymous in the scheduler. but perhaps we should handle that at the app level eventually. for now, please set WAM to require login for /conf/*
23:33.12dlhacesorry there was a type in the selector clause
23:33.48TimRikerk
23:34.04dlhaceI had been working on a ws entry for Dustin and I typed /wsconf
23:35.12dlhaceI don't do a very good job of virtualizing my different threads...
23:49.30TimRikerhehe.
23:50.08TimRikerI'm guessing that the tech instance is not going through the webgates and needs to be. also it need the http->https redirect.
23:50.57TimRikerthat looks better, but you need the new conf.war instead of the scheduler.war
23:51.26TimRikeroh, no. it's a hardcoded path issue in the war

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