IRC log for #ldstech on 20120130

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01:00.40scgallafentsroy: If you have access to the MLS web features, you can see them now. The webcast will talk about the feature that are in place and probably cover some details on where things are headed.
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07:25.05chrxnquick question: what is supposed to be substituted for the %@ in this URI "https://lds.org/directory/services/ludrs/photo/url/%@/%@
07:25.11chrxnoops
07:25.12chrxn"https://lds.org/directory/services/ludrs/photo/url/%@/%@"
07:26.21chrxnnevermind
07:26.26chrxndoh
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13:58.02KinthamenAnyone know about the indexing app that just showed up on the testflight? I don't see a project open up on it or anything.
13:58.31tdeforestnever heard of it
13:58.54tdeforestlet me see if there is a private project...
13:59.05KinthamenThanks..
13:59.48KinthamenI really like it and would like to give some feedback..
14:00.23tdeforestthere are two private familysearch projects, neither is labeled indexing, but they might be related
14:02.04KinthamenThis one is simple. You see a name that comes from a document and then enter the name you see and click submit. If you need help understanding certain letters you can simply click on the document button to view the whole thing and compare with other names.
14:02.37KinthamenIs there a way to participate even though it is private?
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14:04.12tdeforestis there anything in the app that indicates who to contact?
14:04.54KinthamenNothing. That is something I found odd myself.
14:05.04KinthamenNot even in the testflight description.
14:05.44tdeforesti'll ask around and see if anyone knows anything about it. if it is private, the only way to join is to be invited by the project manager
14:06.22KinthamenThe only thing I see is the title "Indexing" with version number 0.2.1.1322586894 as part of LDS iOS Developement
14:06.42KinthamenOk, thank you!
14:06.48KinthamenI
14:07.43KinthamenI have indexed before and lost sight of it for a bit, but this is something my wife and I can definately do when we have nothing to do.
14:08.09tdeforestcool
14:09.55KinthamenI'll stop by here some time later but if you need to get a hold of me my lds.org username is Kinthamen.
14:10.20tdeforestok.
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15:27.46tdeforestwaves to everybody
15:28.04tccastaldowaves back
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15:35.27tccastaldoguesses he must represent everybody
15:36.05tdeforest:)
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16:00.02TimRikermoin
16:00.23smootar************************************************
16:00.23smootar***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 30 JAN 2012 ****
16:00.23smootar************************************************
16:00.24tdeforesthowdy
16:00.26smootarmoin
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16:00.34smootarwhos here?
16:00.37scgallafentmoin
16:00.42zakzakattackhere
16:01.04TimRikerwaves
16:01.11tdeforesthere
16:01.18smootartdeforest, did PK get the help they needed?
16:01.25Spennig::waves from lurking position::
16:01.26tccastaldofinds his mouse pointer and indicates his presence.
16:01.29tdeforesthaven't heard back
16:01.40smootarOK
16:01.46smootartdeforest, do you want to start?
16:01.51tdeforestsure
16:01.54smootarwaves back at Spennig
16:02.07tdeforestbegin copy/past
16:02.10tdeforeste
16:02.12tdeforestThere was some confusion on the email invite. I sent a version to correlation and Alan informed me that it was approved. Tom Johnson seems to be under the impression that it didn't go to correlation or that Ben should have sent it to correlation.
16:02.12tdeforestAlso, Ben sent me changes to the invite after it went out. Some of them I had received before, but forgot to include. However, as far as I can tell, the things I missed were minor. Still, I probably should've sent one more test email before sending it out.
16:02.12tdeforestI sent out artwork to correlation on Jan 20. The items I sent out were: welcome banner, 'do not go past this point' signs, name tags, parking, water station, restroom signage. I have not heard back. I will follow up with Paul Pehrson and Kurt Hills.
16:02.12tdeforestI got an email from smootar that Krishna wasn't able to get Swarm running on his/her(?) local machine. I replied with a request for the error he/she is getting. I also looped in Joseph Scott since he designed the framework and the .htaccess file.
16:02.13tdeforestBeen making minor tweaks to the Swarm prototypes based on requirement meetings. Timriker has too. I think those are good. Let me know if I missed anything.
16:03.14smootarGreat.
16:03.26smootarAnything else?
16:03.33tdeforesti think that is all
16:03.38smootarthx
16:03.40smootarscgallafent, ?
16:03.52scgallafentI didn't get to review and commit my Google Groups changes on Friday, so I'm doing that right now.
16:03.52scgallafent(Well, I'm in a meeting _right_ now.)
16:03.52scgallafentI'm going to try to wrap up my work on updating the RecProp DSA today.
16:03.52scgallafentWe still need to resolve the issue with mail delivery from cdev to Google Groups and test delivery from the production server.
16:03.52scgallafentIt is probably better to wait until the mail delivery issue is resolved before resuming testing on GGroups.
16:04.20smootar:)
16:04.29scgallafentI've got to test and make sure Google enabled the group settings API for tech.lds.org and didn't miss that domain.
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16:04.32smootarTimRiker, do you know where we are in getting mail working?
16:04.35scgallafentmakes note to self
16:04.39TimRikerwhat? we can't test email when email's not working? :)
16:04.52smootar<grin>
16:04.53tdeforest:)
16:05.06TimRikersmootar, no reply last week. I'll follow up again today and see if I can find out anything.
16:05.12smootarGreat.
16:05.17scgallafentKind of like a guy I knew who said "real programs don't need reports?"
16:05.20smootarscgallafent, anything else?
16:05.23scgallafentNope.
16:05.29smootarTimRiker, ?
16:05.46smootarthinks pasting speeds up this meeting.
16:06.39TimRikerstill buried in scheduler. should push updates to production today. ldsaccountids were incorrectly being stored as longs.
16:06.57TimRikerthis will eventually cause merged user accounts. I've fixed that on cdev.
16:06.57smootar:) and :(
16:07.09TimRikerthey are now stored as strings instead.
16:07.31TimRikerlocal installs will need fixing. and I'll need to make a database change on production when I push.
16:07.58tccastaldoYuck.
16:08.07TimRikerI've still not finished updating the session storage. will probably push the changes we do have and then get back to reworking that.
16:08.44TimRikerI spent a bit of time friday on the education groups linux server.
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16:08.52smootarthanks TimRiker for his cleaning up stuff.
16:09.03TimRikerthey call me an ase, which I'm not really, but I spent some time helping anyway.
16:09.30smootarMaybe they should call you and ACE.
16:09.45TimRikertesting various logins on cdev would be useful. don't worry about multiple sessions getting out of sync as that's the piece I'm reworking.
16:09.49tdeforestagrees
16:09.57tccastaldoalso agrees with smootar
16:10.24TimRikerperhaps. :) what do I need to do to be considered an ASE? ah well, not a conversation for today I expect.
16:10.32TimRikerthat's it for me I guess.
16:10.38smootarThanks TimRiker
16:10.42smootartccastaldo, ?
16:10.45tccastaldoScheduler is still a large part of my life.  Exporting events to Google Calendar is still coming, slowly but surely.  Eclipse and SVN 1.7 still aren’t cooperating…probably won’t for a while.  I’m working around that and getting code hammered out despite that conflict.
16:10.57tccastaldoQuestions?
16:11.17smootarNot at this point.
16:11.25tccastaldoGreat. :)
16:11.27smootarAnything else?
16:11.30tccastaldoNope.
16:11.40smootarThx
16:11.42smootarzakzakattack, ?
16:12.16tdeforestnotes that it is less than 60 days to the conference
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16:12.30zakzakattackon friday I finished the German and Italian Hymn books and sent them . today im going to be doing the childerns songbook
16:12.41scgallafentnotes that countdown timers create a sense of urgency
16:13.03thehpguymoin smootar
16:13.10smootarfeels the urgency
16:13.11zakzakattackThat is is From me
16:13.13smootarmoin thehpguy
16:13.23smootarThx zakzakattack
16:13.33smootarjohnsonth, any update?
16:13.39thehpguythehpguy feels a sudden sense of preasure talkign about timers
16:13.47smootar:)
16:13.52tccastaldoLOL
16:13.54johnsonthI published the same content as a post that was sent out about the MLS trailing via mailchimp.
16:14.05johnsonthAlan, I'll send you the updated email from Blaine to ICS, and the general email from ICS. Hopefully we can send thse out soon.
16:14.17johnsonththat's it.
16:14.25smootarYes agreed.
16:14.39scgallafentThere was someone in IRC over the weekend that seemed to have the impression that there were new features coming out online.
16:14.42smootarWe need to send a newsletter out this week.
16:14.52johnsonthnew features?
16:14.54smootarThat should include another invite to the LDSTech Conference.
16:15.10scgallafentWhoever™ is presenting in the broadcast may want to point out that there aren't new features, but they're presenting existing features and (I assume) talking about future plans.
16:15.11smootarIt should also include information about mission opportunities.
16:15.26scgallafentNew MLS-web features.
16:15.33johnsonthsounds good. i'll work on that newsletter.
16:15.34TimRikerthere was an announcement to sent out to clerks of new mls features online.
16:15.35smootarYes, they will be covering future plans.
16:15.55tccastaldoMLS reminds /me of soccer
16:15.58smootarThey are covering the Clerk features of MLS.
16:16.03johnsonthBy the way, Ben didn't have that message approved by ICS Comm (Kurt) before it was sent out.
16:16.06smootarNo the Ecc Leaders features.
16:16.13johnsonthI think he's used to a different approval workflow.
16:16.15tdeforesttccastaldo: and real estate (multiple listing service)
16:16.23tccastaldoLOL
16:16.37tdeforestjohnsonth: i sent the invite to kurt an paul
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16:16.56smootarWe had a scare about being able to present on Friday because they needed an IP number for MLS Web.
16:17.02smootarWe finally were told we were good to go.
16:17.07tdeforestsmootar said he received approval from correlation
16:17.11smootarI interpretted it as we can send out the invite.
16:17.19johnsonthMy only qualm with the invite is that it says people can attend in person.
16:17.34smootarSo, I think I pushed tdeforest to send it once we had approval to do the broadcast.
16:17.37TimRikeroh, one more thing... Coda has bugs with it's custom web service that wamulator consumes. the ldsaccountids do NOT match those in ldap for example.
16:17.47johnsonthBut that's not what they meant, obviously, since there's no instruction about rooms at the ROB where they will be broadcasting.
16:17.50smootar:(
16:18.04TimRikercoda 1.0 no longer builds with our stack tools. it needs maven2 and we are on maven3.
16:18.14tdeforestjohnsonth: i think ben is hoping that more internal people will attend
16:18.17TimRikercoda 1.1 does build, but we're not testing it anywhere.
16:18.21tccastaldofacepalms
16:18.44TimRikerthis means we really don't have a way to fix coda bugs and we have things to fix and new features to add.
16:18.48smootarIf he wants internal people to attend, we should send an invite to ICS.
16:18.55johnsonthI actually didn't know MLS was within meetinghouse technology's domain. I thought that was Member-Leader material.
16:19.05scgallafentlikes CODA bugs because they make things exciting
16:19.22josephscottlikes dull and boring bugs :-)
16:19.24TimRikerscgallafent, then you should be happy! we have quite a few. :/
16:19.31smootarStephen Carlile is presenting, he is over Member Leader.
16:19.50Spenniglooks baffled by the codeside comversation...
16:19.58johnsonthoh, I see. I don't think they've updated their help material on that stuff for a while. It's interesting to see that they're now doing a webinar about it.
16:20.33smootarSo this is sponsored by Ben, and Stephen is presenting.
16:20.39TimRikerso when is this presentation? this friday at noon in zion?
16:20.48smootarYes, it has moved to Noon.
16:21.09smootarThey found they get quite a few people attend at that time.
16:21.15TimRikerand are we doing the 9-9 thing too? or perhaps a 9-5 thing?
16:21.31smootarYes we should plan to be in there from 9 - 5.
16:21.55smootarWith the broadcast at Noon, I need to figure out what to do for lunch.
16:22.12smootarI need to figure that out.
16:22.12thehpguyartic circle take out ...
16:22.13smootar:)
16:22.24scgallafentMove to Spokane, where the broadcast is at 11:00. :)
16:22.28smootarOK, we have 635 registered for the conference.
16:22.31TimRiker<PROTECTED>
16:22.33johnsonththere's nothing in the invite that mentions that the broadcast will take place in Zion and that there will be food.
16:22.53TimRikerthat's 2pm for tdeforest, right?
16:22.54smootarNo food for the mass's
16:23.05tdeforestright
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16:23.56smootarThe invite has been opened by 26,000 people.
16:24.34johnsonthThe News & Events people also published an article about it. It appeared last Friday.
16:24.44smootarWe are working with PK on the SWARM.
16:25.03smootarThey are needing help getting things running locally.
16:25.29tdeforestjosephscott: did you see that email about .htaccess and swarm?
16:25.32smootartdeforest, asked what error they were getting, but they haven't responded.
16:25.42josephscottglanced at it, haven't replied yet :-(
16:25.48tdeforestnp
16:26.39smootarAnything else from anyone?
16:26.54BroSkiNo not now
16:27.01tccastaldoWhat color is your toothbrush?
16:27.01TimRikersounds like wamp is set to ignore .htaccess files and that needs to be changed.
16:27.09TimRikerblue
16:27.16tdeforestdjokovic won the aussie open
16:27.24tccastaldo:D Thanks, TimRiker.
16:27.28smootar************************************************
16:27.28smootar***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 30 JAN 2012 ******
16:27.28smootar************************************************
16:27.33smootarOK thanks all
16:27.46BroSkialan can u call me later
16:27.50SpennigActually, if I wanted to ask questions or give a suggestion about tools on the LDS.org site, who would I want to poke at?
16:28.40johnsonthSpennig: If you want to send feedback, the official channel is the Feedback link on lds.org.
16:28.58johnsonthIf you want to contact someone internally on the team, I could probably point you in the right direction.
16:30.02smootarBroSki, yes.  If I had a number.
16:30.36BroSki<PROTECTED>
16:31.53smootarjohnsonth, were you going to move our Content Review to another time?  Or did you still want to meet this morning?
16:32.03TimRikerBroSki, you probably want to /msg things like phone numbers and email addresses. this is a public forum.
16:32.20BroSkik
16:32.28smootarTimRiker, can you scrub his number from the log?
16:32.35TimRikerwill do
16:32.38smootarThx
16:32.49scgallafentwould suggest that infobot needs a "redact" function, but TimRiker would point out that patches are welcome
16:35.47TimRikerscgallafent, heh. yep, that would be nice. issue is that the log is opened in append mode, so it's already been written. could save a redact log too and then run it against the existing log when the log is rotated. patches welcome. :)
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16:43.09Spennigjohnsonth: It's less feedback (other than "I like how things are looking") and more some bsic questions about whether some things I'd wondered about are on a list of "possible things to add"
16:44.16SpennigHowever, I have to run, so either I'll get your message later, or if you want to email me at aingealfire@gmail.com >_< I just got a call that I need to go help out my mom, she just had to take my dad to the hospital ::facepalm::
16:45.43tdeforestSpennig: praying for you
16:46.57_thehpguyHope all is well Spennig
17:00.26tccastaldoyawns on a gray Monday morning
17:02.31_thehpguy_thehpguy shivers at the partly cloudy 68 degree day he is expected to face
17:04.48tccastaldonotes that 68 > 42
17:09.54_thehpguylol
17:10.09scgallafentsmootar: @ldschurch.org is set up as a Google Apps domain. Who would have info about this?
17:10.13_thehpguycold is perspective ....
17:11.01_thehpguyat the artic circle ( location .. not the fast food joint ), they woudl be laughing at how cold we think it is as any number >0 .. is HOT !
17:11.30tccastaldoTrue.
17:11.46scgallafentI check the weather for Mt. Rainer and Fairbanks AK whenever I feel bad about the weather.
17:12.34scgallafentMt. Rainer is pretty mild this week: only 32 to 46 includes of snow expected.
17:13.03_thehpguy.. This will make you feel better ...
17:13.04_thehpguyhttp://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2011/0124/The-five-coldest-places-on-Earth/International-Falls-Minnesota
17:13.27scgallafentFairbanks is pretty mild, too. Highs 20 to 30 below in the valley and lows only 25 to 35 blow. Last week's lows were 45 below.
17:14.41tccastaldoI was surprised when I learned that Filipinos have hot drinks.  One night we were visiting a member outside when it was about 70 degrees F outside, and I was the only foreigner in the group and asked if it was cold.  They all laughed at me and said it WAS cold.
17:15.06_thehpguy..perspective...
17:15.35_thehpguy.... on my mission.. when the temp got below 70 degrees... folks were runnign around in coats and hats ....
17:16.04_thehpguy.. I grew up in NY where in te winter when it was above 25 degrees .. we woudl run around in shorts and t-shirts ..
17:16.34TimRikergrew up in rochester, ny
17:17.10TimRikerwell, I lived there anyway. not sure if I've grown up or not.
17:17.17scgallafentI have family in Mesa, AZ. They start getting out the winter clothing when it gets down below 70. Not typically coats and hats, though.
17:17.29_thehpguyVostok Station, Antarctica
17:17.29_thehpguyThe lowest reliably-measured, naturally-occurring temperature on the Earth's surface happened about 800 miles East of the South Pole and at an altitude of 11,444 feet, on July 21, 1983. There, temperatures dropped to minus 126.6 degrees Fahrenheit.
17:17.29_thehpguyThe site is Vostok Station, Antarctica, a Russian research outpost whose fields of inquiry include hot cocoa, fuzzy socks, and getting dressed very quickly in the morning. It is one of the most inaccessible and inhospitable places on Earth. Some 25 scientists live there in the summer, where temperatures get up to a relatively pleasant minus 25 degrees F. Only 13 or so remain there through the long winter, when the mercury plunges t
17:17.30_thehpguyo minus 85 degrees F. (We mean that metaphorically, because mercury actually freezes solid at around 40 below zero.)
17:17.55TimRikerwhen we moved to dallas, the guys unpacking the truck had no idea what the show shovels were.
17:18.08scgallafent:)
17:18.21scgallafentTimRiker: Did you see my message above to smootar about @ldschurch.org / Google Apps? Any idea who I should try to contact?
17:18.36_thehpguyI lived in San Antonio for 10 years and when myh inlaws moved in to our how they brought SNOWSHOES !!
17:18.40TimRikerscgallafent, no idea. don't know who to ask either.
17:18.43_thehpguy.. people asked if they were eskimo's
17:18.54TimRikerhehe
17:18.57scgallafentI'll have to wait and see if smootar knows.
17:19.23scgallafentwonders how he trigger italics on his IRC client
17:19.28TimRikerI'm deploying scheduler to production. everyone's accounts will be broken for a few minutes till I make the database changes.
17:19.29scgallafent... triggered ...
17:19.57tccastaldoscgallafent, I see no italics...
17:20.28scgallafentJust one line on my client. I'm not sure what I did -- or if I care.
17:20.35_thehpguychris is still wondering how he "REM's" a statement as TCcastillo did way up above
17:20.49_thehpguy( it has been a lONG time since he used IRC ... remember !
17:20.56scgallafentUse /me
17:21.15_thehpguyis stillign tryign to figure our out to REm a statement !
17:21.17_thehpguykewl
17:21.23scgallafentBingo
17:21.45_thehpguy.. lookign for spell check in IRC ....
17:21.49_thehpguylol
17:22.05_thehpguy... auto spell check !
17:22.20scgallafent~give _thehpguy a gold star
17:22.20infobotACTION gives a gold star to _thehpguy
17:22.24TimRiker_thehpguy, /me emotes things
17:22.38TimRiker~spell tryign
17:23.19tccastaldowonders how one would use "tryingly"
17:23.34_thehpguylol
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17:25.01_thehpguyChris tried and tried .. and continnues tryingly .. tirelessly
17:25.31_thehpguy.. tongue twister and .. a use for tryingly ... 2 gols stars !!
17:25.37_thehpguygold stars !
17:26.06_thehpguy-give _thehpguy a gold star
17:27.12tccastaldoYou can also use the sub function to make correnctions on your previous line, like so: error
17:27.21tccastaldos/error/correction/
17:27.46tccastaldoAnd, of course, I had another error I didn't fix.
17:28.37tccastaldo_thehpguy, use a tilde (~) instead.
17:28.56tccastaldo~give _thehpguy two gold stars
17:28.56infobotACTION gives two gold stars to _thehpguy
17:29.25TimRikerdeploy to production finished, I guess. it claims it failed, but it looks like it's working anyway.
17:29.41tccastaldoPrefixing with a tilde indicates an instruction for infobot.
17:30.11tccastaldoAwesome, TimRiker.
17:31.01TimRiker~chanset _default addressCharacter
17:31.01infobotaddressCharacter for _default is '~'
17:31.12TimRiker~chanset #ldstech addressCharacter
17:31.12infobotaddressCharacter for #ldstech is not set.
17:31.18TimRiker~chanset #ldstech addressCharacter !
17:31.18infobotSetting addressCharacter for #ldstech to '!'.
17:31.24TimRiker~chaninfo
17:31.28TimRiker!chaninfo
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17:31.33TimRikerneato, huh?
17:31.38tccastaldoYes.
17:31.41TimRiker~chanset #ldstech -addressCharacter
17:31.45tccastaldoBut ! means not...
17:31.47TimRiker!chanset #ldstech -addressCharacter
17:31.47infobotUnsetting addressCharacter for #ldstech; was '!'.
17:32.04TimRikerthat's just the char. could be anything.
17:32.19tccastaldoI know.
17:32.21TimRiker~chanset #ldstech addressCharacter |
17:32.21infobotSetting addressCharacter for #ldstech to '|'.
17:32.27TimRiker|lart tccastaldo
17:32.27infobotdumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on tccastaldo
17:32.37tccastaldoOuch.
17:32.41TimRiker|chanset #ldstech -addressCharacter
17:32.41infobotUnsetting addressCharacter for #ldstech; was '|'.
17:33.38TimRiker<PROTECTED>
17:33.57_thehpguytims going all geek on us now !
17:34.05TimRikernow?
17:34.19_thehpguywe have a bar set for you ...
17:34.33_thehpguy.. the geek bar is so high /... fo reach individual ..
17:34.34TimRikerhehe. well, I strive to over achieve.
17:34.54_thehpguy<PROTECTED>
17:35.13_thehpguy.. I hate typing fast and seeign all the typos...
17:35.13TimRikersome call me the alpha geek
17:35.44_thehpguyAlpha Geek .. great name !!
17:35.57TimRikergrins
18:19.18_thehpguyman .... your grin is running folks away !
18:20.00_thehpguyTimRiker ... your grin is running folks away !
18:20.22TimRikerhehe. I thought it was my deploy to production.
18:25.30tccastaldoLOL I think it's the deploy.
19:01.34josephscottexcuse the beer commercial reference - http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Blogs-Components-WeblogFiles/00-00-01-32-02-metablogapi/8054.image_5F00_thumb_5F00_35C6E986.png
19:13.45tccastaldois astounded at the complexity of Java I/O
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19:35.35SuHwakJust back read the conversation in the 'meeting'
19:37.03SuHwak"[17:13] <@scgallafent> There was someone in IRC over the weekend that seemed to have the impression that there were new features coming out online."
19:37.09SuHwakDid you mean me?
19:37.31SuHwakcos I did
19:37.57scgallafentI'm not sure, but it might have been you. I just remember seeing the message.
19:38.13scgallafentDid the meeting conversation explain things better?
19:38.14SuHwakBecause the FIR pilot is new to me
19:38.32SuHwakAnd I find it very exciting :D
19:39.19scgallafentI manage to avoid the online features -- a benefit of not having certain callings. :)
19:40.22SuHwakHowever I didn't dare to put anything there yet, because I didn't know if Our ward/stake is included in the pilot, and I wanted to keep access to see what else there going to put in there (if any)
19:40.55SuHwakscgallafent: I'm the ass ward clerk AND the stake ICT specialist, how bout that :P
19:41.14scgallafentWelcome to the thick of it!
19:41.22SuHwakass sounds wrong now I read it back :P
19:41.57SuHwakscgallafent: Whats your part in all this?
19:42.39scgallafentI work on the LDSTech community application and some of the other community applications.
19:43.01scgallafentI play high councilor on Sundays and some other days, so I don't spend much time in MLS or the online applications.
19:43.11SuHwakor in other words about what things can I give you feedback if any
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19:43.55tccastaldoHey there, joshbang.
19:44.02scgallafentCommunity-developed applications typically.
19:44.13SuHwakCan I ask which stake? I'm from Rotterdam Netherlands stake (Rotterdam 1st)
19:44.17joshbangwhats up tccastaldo
19:44.24SuHwaklike the LDS tools app?
19:44.59scgallafentLDS Tools is a community application. You can post feedback here, but someone would need to get it to the appropriate people. Better to post that in the appropriate forum.
19:45.02tccastaldoHow was your weekend?
19:45.07scgallafentI'm in one of the stakes in Spokane Washington.
19:45.29scgallafentI noticed your comment yesterday that we were all safely in bed.
19:45.38SuHwak:P
19:45.41scgallafentAnd I was safely in bed when you sent it.
19:45.52joshbangIt was great, I went to St George. One of my cousins was having their farewell and one was having a homecoming.
19:46.02tccastaldoAwesome!
19:46.30tccastaldo:( What did I say?
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19:46.39joshbangDid you do anything fun?
19:46.57scgallafenttccastaldo: That was a comment by SuHwak.
19:47.36tccastaldoscgallafent, I was referring to joshbang leaving immediately after I commented.
19:47.44scgallafentOK
19:48.08tccastaldojoshbang, I didn't really do anything fun, just took it easy at home.
19:48.28joshbangmy bad tccastaldo. I am using IRC on the web right now. my xchat isnt working
19:48.36joshbangand i accidentally pressed back
19:49.05tccastaldoNo problem, I just said ":( What did I say?" facetiously.
19:50.16SuHwakSo, any of you know why I suddenly have access to the FIR pilot?
19:50.26joshbangFacetiously? what does that mean?
19:51.15SuHwakand reading back the meeting convo, you really need to lighten up on this mailing (or not) thing :P
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19:53.42tccastaldo~dict facetiously
19:54.16tccastaldoLook at the last definition.
19:54.44joshbangoh duh, I know what that means. I didnt know that that was how you spelled that word
19:54.58tccastaldo:)
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20:00.21SuHwakpressed back again :P
20:01.17SuHwakso, whos smootar and TimRiker and what do they do?
20:02.01JoshBang_SuHwak: I definitely did haha gosh dang it
20:02.15TimRikersmootar leads ldstech. /me does the grunt work. :)
20:02.25SuHwak:D
20:02.37smootarhears his screen beep and waves.
20:03.35SuHwakOk, so and how close do you guy's work with the church on LDS tools and other stuff?
20:03.54SuHwakHi smootar :) (beep again)
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20:05.32SuHwakis really excited about using MLS web based
20:07.20smootarSuHwak, have you been using it yet?
20:07.32SuHwakas much as possible
20:07.57smootarSuHwak, what has been most useful to you at this point?
20:08.09SuHwaklooks forward being able to edit a lot more (like callings) then now
20:08.30smootarAre you a Ward Clerk?
20:09.19Spennigwishes there were more tools that she could access and play with... and more for RS
20:09.29SuHwakAssistant yes, but for all intend and purposess, I do most, except finances, changes in MLS
20:09.53smootarSuHwak, very cool.
20:10.16smootarSpennig, what tools are you looking for?
20:10.25JoshBang_wow, so I just saw how many hours we have this month compared to how many hours we expected to have... thats impressive
20:10.27SuHwakthe most usefull... hard to pick :)
20:10.40JoshBang_for volunteer work
20:11.34SuHwakI've only been an assistand ward clerk for about 2 months
20:12.08tccastaldoJoshBang_, I noticed that, too.  I just hope we can hit the remaining benchmarks, too.
20:12.24SuHwakOur Ward Clerk is getting on (age wise) and he's not at all into computers and stuff
20:13.09JoshBang_Same, it seems like we will though. iOS Gospel library alone got us 106 hours
20:13.31tccastaldoIt's nice to have volunteers helping get projects done.
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20:14.52smootarSuHwak, LDSTech is a service to those guys.  We assist them most often when they need beta testing.
20:15.06smootarWe are able to connect them with volunteers all over the world.
20:15.06SuHwaksmootar: I got the charge to get all the callings up-to-date in MLS (done) and use the calendar like we used the 'almanac', so every meeting and activity is going in there
20:15.26SpennigSmootar: : shrugs:: I just like exploring, but don't have callings that let me learn how things work :-p
20:15.33smootarSuHwak, is the Calendar working well for you?
20:16.00SuHwakhmm its a bit slow with loading
20:16.12SpennigThat or anything for Relief Society, something to help organize the Visiting teaching stuff that I could team my mom would be neat. ::grins:: I "pay rent" by teaching my parents tech stuff
20:16.28smootarSpennig, we hopefully will have testing environments someday that will allow you to take on roles that allow exploration.
20:16.39smootarSpennig, we have some of that today on some products.
20:17.11smootarSpennig, sounds like a great way to pay for rent.
20:17.13SpennigOh? Anyplace I can poke at it, without having a calling that is realted?
20:17.25SpennigAnd yeah, except my mom is afraid of technoligy half the time >_<
20:17.27SuHwaksmootar: Also, I need more options in the 'quick entry'. I think most, if not all options should be able to fit in the quick entry version
20:18.29smootarSuHwak, you lost me with the 'quick entry'.  Sounds like I need to explore more.
20:18.38SuHwaksmootar: If I fill in the quick entry, then click to go to the more advanced version, usually doesn't remember the calender I selected
20:19.13smootarQuick entry in Calendar not the Clerk Resources page, correct?
20:19.22Spennigsighs and heads out to pick up neice from school for mom (bbl)
20:19.36SuHwakIf you click on a day (in month view) or select time in week/day view you get a .... yes in the Calendar
20:19.42smootarSpennig, thanks for dropping in.
20:20.13smootarIs everyone registered for our LDSTech Conference?  http://tech.lds.org/conf
20:20.27JoshBang_Does anyone know why my xchat wont work? It connects, then it finds my hostname. but after that it says no ident response and then disconnects me
20:21.10SuHwaksmootar: do you have to be there physically?
20:21.35smootarRegistration is for physcial attendance.  If you want to watch the broadcasts, there is no need to register.
20:21.51smootarI need to get a count for food and seating and things.
20:21.51SuHwakbecause i've not been translated yet, so I have to travel by (expensive) plane to get there :P
20:22.22smootarSuHwak, :( .  Where are you located?
20:22.28SuHwakNetherlands
20:22.32JoshBang_you havent been translated yet? you're a little behind me but you'll get there soon enough
20:22.34tccastaldoJoshBang_, did you look at the Wiki?  Or maybe TimRiker can help.
20:22.39smootarThat is a good distance.
20:22.46smootarSwimming is probably out.
20:22.50SuHwakyeah
20:22.55SuHwakuh, yeah
20:22.57JoshBang_tccastaldo: thanks I will look at the wiki
20:23.28smootarYou can watch the broadcasts on the internet though.  Not as good as being here though.
20:23.46smootarYou can also volunteer from a distance helping with beta testing and that kind of thing.
20:23.49SuHwakwill do
20:24.30SuHwakhmm, what can I beta test?
20:24.45smootarThere is a beta going on right now for maps.lds.org.
20:25.02smootarYou can explore that and tell them if your ward and stake look right in the Netherlands.
20:25.17smootarJust login using your LDSAccount and it should zoom to your Ward boundary.
20:25.52SuHwakoh, yeah, I love that map, shows you right where (not) to move to stay (or get out of) your current ward/stake :D
20:26.10smootarJoin the project here: https://tech.lds.org/?option=com_talentpool&controller=projects&view=joinproject&Itemid=39&Projectid=105
20:26.30smootarugly url, I know.
20:26.42SuHwakehm, how about remembering my login between pages of *.lds.org?
20:26.57SuHwakor is that hard when I start a new tab
20:27.02SuHwakin Chrome
20:27.05smootarThe single sign-on should be working.
20:27.08smootarI use chrome.
20:27.21tdeforestsmootar, is the mtg id 1357?
20:27.28SuHwakim logged in here: https://www.lds.org/leader/?lang=eng
20:27.48smootarTimRiker, is our WAM broken?
20:27.53SuHwakand I opened another tab to go to maps.lds.org, but was not signed in
20:28.12SuHwakhad to click sign in, and login again
20:28.24SuHwakHave noticed this for a few days now
20:28.28smootartdeforest, I don't see a meeting on my calendar for another 30 minutes.
20:28.55tdeforesthmmm…my calendar has conf committee mtg in 2 min
20:29.04tdeforestha
20:29.09tdeforestsory that's tomorrow
20:29.15smootarI have one for tomorrow at this time.
20:29.16smootar:)
20:29.25tdeforest:)
20:29.36smootarmaps WAM may be broken.
20:30.08SuHwaksmootar: I have roboform, so I don't mind much, but it could be annoying for others... you want me to test it in IE9?
20:30.13SuHwaksmootar: its not just maps
20:30.39tccastaldonudges TimRiker
20:30.42smootarSend the WAM issue to our GSC: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Global_Service_Center_-_IT_Support
20:31.03smootarThen they will notify you when it is fixed.
20:31.07smootarmaps.lds.org is not the beta.
20:31.14smootarThat is the current shipping code.
20:31.33smootarInfo about the beta is located at the URL I sent earlier.
20:31.50SuHwakah ok
20:32.11TimRikerwam only works over https. make sure you're using maps on https
20:32.12SuHwakwhat other *.lds.org can I use to test
20:32.20SuHwakoh
20:33.46smootarTo be useful, you need to log issues at their forum (info on the project).  But the beta is located here: http://www.lds.org/rcmaps
20:34.01SuHwakmanually putting https:// before the url does not get me signed in
20:34.09SuHwakAlright I'll head there
20:34.48smootar:)
20:35.01SuHwakdoes calendar also have a beta or project page?
20:35.29SuHwaksame WAM issue with tech.lds.org btw
20:39.47smootarSuHwak, the Calendar recently had a beta, but that is now over.  But I'm sure they will have another one one of these days.  They plan to do a beta for Lesson Scheduler 31JAN2012
20:40.03smootarIt looks like they will be doing Member News and Information after that.
20:40.27SuHwakTimRiker: Shouldn't it automatically redirect me to https if I type tech.lds.org, thén try to find session credentials (or something like that)
20:48.12SuHwaksmootar: I picked a few projects to be observer of :)
20:48.55SuHwakso, maps beta is closed, calendar beta is coming... anything that I can test now?
20:49.12smootarVery good.  For maps testing, thats all you need to help out is to be an observer.  You can now go to the forum and provide any feedback on the  http://www.lds.org/rcmaps app.
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20:50.22SuHwakhmm first to post about the WAM problem, its getting a little annoying now even with Roboform
20:53.25SuHwakwhat dows WAM stand for actually?
21:04.37tdeforestjohnsonth: i'd like to include instructions for connecting to wifi in the attendee packet. they just need to connect to the 'Hills' network right?
21:05.47johnsonthtdeforest: I don't know.
21:05.57johnsonthConnecting to Hills isn't as straightforward as it may seem.
21:06.05tdeforestoh?
21:06.07johnsonthI think if you just walked in and tried to connect, you would need to create a guest account and such.
21:06.16johnsonthLisa Achua is perhaps someone you can contact about this.
21:06.30tdeforestoh yeah.
21:06.42johnsonthI pinged her last week to ask if the network would support 800 people connecting to it.
21:06.47tdeforesti forgot about the guest user account. we'll have to create one each day, won't we.
21:06.53johnsonthi don't know.
21:07.03johnsonthI can't remember what we did last year.
21:07.16SuHwakhmm, found another nugget in LDSAccount.lds.org I can subscribe to New or updated Church web sites, Opportunities to beta test or develop Church software and Meetinghouse Technologies :)
21:07.31tdeforestwe  created a generic guest account and gave it out
21:07.54johnsonthSuHwak: Glad to hear you found those options. We published an article about this on LDSTech last week.
21:07.59tdeforesti can't remember if we had to renew the guest account for the second day
21:08.31tdeforesti'll check with Lisa. thank you
21:08.45johnsonthtedeforest: I honestly don't know the details of connecting to this network. I just forwarded you the latest communication I had with Lisa.
21:09.00tdeforestthanks!
21:09.01johnsonthI hate it when I go to conferences and the wifi is weak or nonexistent.
21:09.17johnsonthgiven that we want a bunch of testers to try out apps, this is a make-or-break element for the success of the conference.
21:09.30tdeforestdefinitely
21:09.46johnsonthif we have 800 people who come here thinking they will get to test out beta apps, but they can't connect to the network, this will be a problem.
21:09.54johnsonthdo you want to follow up with Lisa about the connectivity issues?
21:10.08johnsonthBTW, I'm glad to hear you're working on a packet of information.
21:10.17SuHwakjohnsonth: ah yeah I see now
21:10.57SuHwakhe hit the back button again?
21:11.26tdeforestjohnsonth: if you have anything you want in the packet, let me know
21:14.08SuHwakhmm, its not letting me enter https://cint.lds.org/scheduler ?
21:16.44johnsonthSuHwak: What is the cint.lds.org URL? I'm not familiar with that. Is that the dev environment?
21:17.07SuHwakits the last url in the MOTD
21:17.29SuHwak!motd
21:17.37SuHwakhmm :P
21:21.44tccastaldojohnsonth, cint is the integration dev environment.
21:22.06tccastaldoSomewhere between cdev and production
21:22.07tccastaldo.
21:23.07tccastaldoSuHwak, use https://cdev.lds.org/scheduler?signmein for working on scheduler.
21:23.45SuHwaktccastaldo: its not letting me in there either
21:24.47tccastaldoYou can't use your actual sign in; since it's a development environment, fake users are used there instead.
21:25.16scgallafentIt's not resolving at all. 404
21:25.21SuHwakah, right, I dont have a fake account
21:25.41tccastaldoWhich one, scgallafent? cint?
21:25.43SuHwakIt did for me scgallafent
21:25.53scgallafentcdev is giving me a 404
21:26.00tccastaldo??
21:26.20scgallafenthttps://cdev.lds.org/scheduler
21:26.22SuHwakeither is working for me (login prompt on both)
21:26.28tccastaldoLet me try it.  SuHwak, there should be a list of fake accounts you can use.  Let me see if I can find it for you...
21:26.29scgallafentObject not found!
21:26.30scgallafentThe requested URL was not found on this server. If you entered the URL manually please check your spelling and try again.
21:26.30scgallafentIf you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
21:26.30scgallafentError 404
21:27.07tccastaldoAh.
21:27.12SuHwakscgallafent: I clicked that link to a different tab, it gets me to https://cdev.lds.org/SSOSignIn/
21:27.20tccastaldoSorry, it's cdev.lds.org/conf/
21:27.36scgallafentMuch better
21:27.46*** topic/#ldstech by scgallafent -> LDSTech Conference Mar 29-30: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/LDSTech_Conference || LDSTech: http://tech.lds.org/ || IRC Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23ldstech/ || CIA: #ldstech-commits || Contact TimRiker for new #ldstech-* channels || LDSTech Broadcast Feb 3rd 12pm MST: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast || Test the scheduler: https://cdev.lds.org/conf/
21:27.46tccastaldoSo, altogether, https://cdev.lds.org/conf?signmein
21:28.22tccastaldoMight want to add ?signmein to the end of that; WAM isn't working in cdev.
21:28.58SuHwakWAM isn't working for me at all right now
21:29.23SuHwakSee: https://tech.lds.org/forum/showthread.php?10549-I-have-to-log-in-again-everytime-I-visit-a-different-subsection-of-LDS.org
21:31.04*** topic/#ldstech by scgallafent -> LDSTech Conference Mar 29-30: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/LDSTech_Conference || LDSTech: http://tech.lds.org/ || IRC Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23ldstech/ || CIA: #ldstech-commits || Contact TimRiker for new #ldstech-* channels || LDSTech Broadcast Feb 3rd 12pm MST: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast || Test the scheduler: https://cdev.lds.org/conf/?signmein
21:32.22tccastaldoSuHwak, here is the list of fake users (from the tech.lds.org wiki): https://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tech.lds.org#Test_system
21:36.11SuHwaktccastaldo: thanks
21:36.16tccastaldoYou're welcome.
21:37.34SuHwakso noone here directly works on development of the LDS Tools iPhone/iPad app?
21:37.54johnsonthtdeforest, is something wrong with the site? I tried to join the Local Unit Beta Testing project, but I keep getting redirected to the homepage of LDSTech.
21:38.20tdeforesti'll check...
21:41.51tdeforestjohnsonth: something does seem to be wrong. i am a member of that project and I am unable to leave it successfully. everything seems to work as expected except that i am never removed from the project
21:42.00scgallafentjohnsonth: Worked OK for me. I was able to join.
21:42.20scgallafentAnd leave.
21:42.23johnsonthi had been a member, then left, then tried to rejoin. maybe you can try that to replicate the problem.
21:42.59SuHwakI was able to join (as an observer) less then an hour ago
21:43.07scgallafentJoined and left twice with no problem.
21:43.12scgallafentProduction, correct?
21:43.42tdeforestwait…i clicked leave again and am no longer a member of the project
21:43.49johnsonthyes, prod. same problem with other projects too.
21:44.09scgallafentNo error message?
21:44.13johnsonthnope
21:44.38scgallafentI can go look at the data and see if there is something going on.
21:44.45scgallafentI'm not having any problems.
21:44.50scgallafent(Well, at least not with that.)
21:45.16SuHwakyeahweird, im having problems logging in now: "This e-mail is already registered. If you forgot your password, click on the Forgot your password link and a new password will be sent to you." I didn't join/leave projects right now
21:45.23tdeforestconsole is showing an error on the project list page i've never seen before
21:45.50scgallafenttdeforest: Where?
21:46.04tdeforestwebkit web inspector
21:46.23SuHwakhttps://tech.lds.org/index.php/projects?view=projects
21:46.39SuHwakSame in IE9, as soon as I try to login
21:46.41tdeforesthttps://tech.lds.org/?option=com_talentpool&controller=projects&view=projects&task=display&Itemid=39
21:47.08scgallafentI don't see webkit on the project view page.
21:47.43tdeforestin web inspector is safari's equivalent to firebug
21:48.03scgallafentSorry. I thought that was text on the page.
21:48.05tdeforestbut the error is gone now
21:48.27SuHwakmaybe because I changed my username after having joined a few projects?
21:48.28SuHwakmy error is probably unrelated to yours
21:48.47tdeforestTimRiker: folks are seeing errors joining/leaving projects. johnsonth is unable to join a project on production - local unit beta testing project.
21:51.07scgallafentis really anxious to get his computer back on Wednesday....
21:51.27scgallafentWaiting for new window to open....
21:51.29SuHwakis it gone on vacation?
21:51.36tdeforestjoin/leave functionality is working as expected for me now. probably going to drive jeff brown crazy with all my leaves/joins...
21:51.58scgallafentNope. In for warranty repair for a bad fan.
21:52.02tccastaldoWednesday?  Wow.  I'd forgot you'd sent it in for maintenance.  That was a long time ago!
21:52.15scgallafentI got a phone call yesterday that it was headed back.
21:52.51tdeforestscgallafent: a loaner computer is never the same as your own computer. it's like learning to ride a bike again
21:52.54TimRikertdeforest, hmm. more information would be good. As far as I know nothing has changed.
21:53.07scgallafentI'
21:53.20scgallafentTimRiker: I'm looking at it now trying to see if there is anything obvious.
21:53.23SuHwakTimRiker: I also have an unrelated problem
21:53.28scgallafenttdeforest: I liken it to being in someone else's apartment.
21:55.05scgallafentOne that doesn't have enough RAM. Argh.
21:55.38SuHwakTimRiker: I can't log in anymore on tech.lds.org after changing my username. Its giving met this eror: "This e-mail is already registered. If you forgot your password, click on the Forgot your password link and a new password will be sent to you." (x2) right after clicking Sign in button
21:56.00tccastaldoSo like being in a studio apartment instead of a two-bedroom, scgallafent.
21:56.17scgallafentExactly.
21:56.53TimRikerSuHwak, msg me your email
21:58.31SuHwakTimRiker: got it?
22:00.31scgallafentjohnsonth: According to the database, you are a member of the project.
22:01.25scgallafentExcept....
22:01.33scgallafentmakes digging sounds as he investigates
22:02.01tccastaldoducks as dirt goes flying
22:02.30scgallafentOK. You're not a member. I haven't looked at this table in detail until now.
22:14.43TimRikerwishes springframework would combine multiple elements into an array like php does. hmm. /me wishes javascript would do that too.
22:18.32johnsonthhooray, we just sent out internal communication about the conference.
22:18.59scgallafentjohnsonth: Can you not join any projects or just not that project?
22:19.42johnsonthI can't join any.
22:19.51johnsonthWhen I click to a project to read more details, I get redirected back to the homepage.
22:19.54scgallafentSo, the common factor is ... you. :)
22:20.26scgallafentBut you see the project list. Going to the project detail is when you get redirected?
22:20.26tccastaldoYep, johnsonth. One e-mail says "most team rooms will be scheduled" while the other says that "for project work and smaller presentations, schedule your own team rooms."
22:21.05johnsonthsorry about that.
22:21.23johnsonthi think there was some confusion about the scheduling, and we might have gone back and forth over different approaches.
22:21.47tccastaldoThe first e-mail I mentioned is from Blaine, the second from ICS Comm.
22:23.00johnsonthdiscrepancy noted.
22:33.39SuHwak:( any way I can help on the LDS Tools app (dev seems to be a bit slow?) without having to buy a mac/get a dev licence from apple?
22:36.05johnsonthSuHwak: Try contacting the project manager for that app. I think it's David Weiss.
22:37.23SuHwakon the Jira page the Lead is Stephan Heilner though?
22:40.11johnsonthThe last time I talked with Stephan and Dave, Dave told me Stephan was involved in a lot of different projects.
22:40.39johnsonthYou can try contacting both if you want, but I think Dave is the right one.
23:03.50SuHwakis off to bed
23:04.17tccastaldoGood night, SuHwak!  Thanks for your help.
23:04.36SuHwakThx, and no problem :)
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23:22.14johnsonthtdeforest, what do you think about creating a little LDSTech badge that people can add to their websites. Something that says, I'm attending LDSTech, or I'm presenting at LDSTech?
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23:31.10tccastaldoWith a link to the LDSTech Conference info when they click on it?
23:32.06johnsonthyeah, something like that.
23:32.20tccastaldolikes the idea
23:32.55johnsonthhow exactly do you make comments in the third person on IRC? i need a tutorial or something.
23:33.14tccastaldoUse /me.
23:33.28tccastaldoIt has to be the first word in the line, though.
23:34.51tccastaldoSo, for instnace, "/me shows how it's done" becomes...
23:35.01tccastaldoshows how it's done
23:35.29johnsonthis learning the ropes of IRC.
23:35.33johnsonthgot it, thanks.
23:35.40tccastaldonp

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