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08:41.49*** topic/#ldstech is LDSTech Conference Mar 29-30: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/LDSTech_Conference || LDSTech: http://tech.lds.org/ || IRC Logs: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23ldstech/ || CIA: #ldstech-commits || Contact TimRiker for new #ldstech-* channels || LDSTech Broadcast Feb 3rd 12pm MST: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast || Test the scheduler: https://cdev.lds.org/conf/?signmein
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15:23.49smootarJust reading dbkjar's question about having the broadcast available for Saturday.
15:24.10smootarWe are using the Brightcove streaming server.
15:24.26smootarThis means that the broadcast will be available from the moment we start forward.
15:24.42smootarAnyone can join even a few minutes late and rewind and watch it.
15:24.57smootarIt will be available on Saturday as well.
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16:03.27thehpguymoin tdefort
16:03.38tdeforesthowdy
16:03.59tdeforesttccastaldo: we meeting this morning?
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16:07.37thehpguymorning BroSki
16:07.48tdeforesttesting, testing, one two. is this thing on?
16:07.51BroSkiMorning..got your message on email
16:07.58_lizcheck check
16:08.21thehpguygrins at tdeforest
16:08.34thehpguymoin _liz
16:08.46thehpguywaves @ _lis
16:09.02samdtest
16:10.37BroSki10-4 samd, _liz & tdeforest
16:11.06tdeforestwaves at BroSki
16:11.46scgallafentmoin tdeforest
16:11.58tdeforesthowdy scgallafent
16:13.56tdeforestscgallafent: i've got time for gg testing today. how is gg doing?
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16:15.20scgallafentI was dealing with other issues and didn't get to work on it yesterday. Once I turn loose the code I'm working on now, it should be ready for you to beat on. It will probably be a couple of hours.
16:15.22BroSkiI have a testflight device registration question...is this the right venue
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16:15.39RPartridgeJared_, Are you the one with the broken screen?
16:15.40scgallafentcrosses fingers
16:16.11scgallafenttdeforest: Who would be able to help BroSki?
16:16.37Jared_Yes. I'm on my phone.
16:16.43tdeforestscgallafent: wish i could help BroSki - i don't even know where the test flight resources are accessed
16:17.04tdeforesti would try stephan heilner
16:17.24tdeforestBroSki: do you have his contact info?
16:17.32BroSkiI am trying to help a member trying to register a iOS device and they are being prompted to enter a 4 digit code...I have no clue where to sent them
16:17.58BroSkiThere should be no prompting for a 4 digit code, as far as I know
16:18.01tdeforestregister an iOS device? with test flight?
16:21.14BroSkiAlso....smootar, thehpguy is interested in getting his provisioning done and get his email up and running
16:22.03thehpguy:)
16:22.12BroSkiYes, tdeforest, that is what they are attempting
16:22.40tdeforestBroSki: let me try calling stephan...
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16:25.55tdeforestBroSki: stephan was on the other line but he is going to call me back in a minute
16:26.33BroSkiK thx
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16:31.28tdeforestjohnsonth: saw your note about delaying the newsletter. how's today looking?
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16:31.44johnsonthtoday is good.
16:31.49johnsonthI will work on sending you something soon.
16:31.56tdeforestwaves at josephscott
16:32.05josephscotthowdy
16:32.06tdeforestjohnsonth: sounds good
16:32.51tccastaldoGood morning, folks.
16:33.22BroSkiLooks like testflight may be down http://support.testflightapp.com/discussions/problems/3052-is-testflight-down
16:36.48tdeforestBroSki: hmmm...
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16:40.18jstowell.
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16:42.51samdgot lost...i'm back
16:44.42KrebsJTesting 1.2.3.
16:45.22KrebsJHello Rick
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16:47.29tccastaldoHello, Ben__.
16:47.32Ben__This is a test chat
16:47.46KrebsJThat answer is 5
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16:49.28TimRikermoin
16:49.56TimRikerlooks like we've overfilled the limits on connections from one ip (proxy.lds.org)
16:50.15TimRikerwebchat will work, but native clients will likely get denied.
16:50.32scgallafentIs it a per-server limit or system-wide?
16:51.01tccastaldoThat's fun...
16:51.45josephscottsudden increase in IRC usage from church employees?
16:54.33normankrtest
16:54.55scgallafentHi normankr
16:55.05TimRikerjosephscott: we're using the channel for live support for the noon broadcast. :)
16:55.12josephscottwoot!
16:55.37scgallafentPlus the two rebroadcasts. Double woot!
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16:55.59TimRikerare you coming in today? we have a bunch of folks here online. I did get ahold of a freenode op, so perhaps we'll get our proxy limit increased.
16:56.43TimRikerClosing Link: proxy.lds.org (Too many user connections (global))
16:56.57scgallafentBummer.
16:57.47Picardwhoami
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17:00.42josephscottTimRiker: were you asking if I'm coming in today?
17:01.46TimRikerjosephscott: yep. we'll be here 9-5. broadcast at noon. test run in progress now.
17:02.00BroSkittfn
17:02.00TimRikerI don't know if we're streaming the test run... anyone know?
17:02.11josephscottunfortunately I won't there today, I'm still getting over the shingles :-(
17:02.20KrebsJno we aren't streaming the test run
17:02.23josephscotts/won't there/won't be there/
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17:02.43TimRikerouch. I had that recently. painful.
17:02.52scgallafentjosephscott: Bummer. TimRiker, too.
17:03.49josephscottyeah, not the most fun thing, had a few days at one point where I wanted to crawl out of my skin
17:04.19josephscottbut doing better, definitely headed in the right direction
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17:05.04scgallafentGlad to hear that.
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17:06.31samdI think I have the test run streaming...no audio?
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17:07.23LDSTech@samd - audio is not enabled yet. Just video during the dry run
17:11.06samdI am guessing that the video feed will be a bit crisper during the actual broadcast.  Right now it is slightly out of focus (blurred)
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17:24.48TimRikerRiker? Hmm. who are you? :)
17:28.56samdaudio is good
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17:31.58samd@ldstech - audio is transmitting clear
17:32.09tccastaldoGood.
17:32.22tccastaldo:)
17:38.12johnsonthtedeforest, does mailchimp have spaces for thumbnail images? what kind of format do you want the newsletter content in?
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17:44.58tccastaldoWhy, hello, `ls`.
17:45.28TimRikerhehe
17:46.28tccastaldoTimRiker, how are you?
17:51.36johnsonthtdeforest, also, do we want to group content into sections?
17:54.53zakzakattacktccastaldo is the service day over?  are you in there? i kinda forgot about it
17:56.07tccastaldozakzakattack, the broadcast will be at noon today.  There are a few of us over here in the Zion rooms, but you can get work done where you're at just fine.
17:57.27zakzakattacko ok i just panic for a second ha ha. I have had my mind elsewere today.
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17:59.54jazzee8845hi
18:00.17jazzee8845how are you?
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18:05.39jazzee8845_hi
18:05.49Phi__Hi
18:05.54scgallafentWelcome back, jazzee8845_
18:06.08Phi__I couldn't see where to type for the chat!
18:07.09Phi__Are you signed in for the LDSTech training session?
18:07.17jazzee8845_yes
18:07.49Phi__Are you one of the organisers or a learner?!
18:08.07jazzee8845_a learner i am intrested in technology
18:08.33Phi__Wow, this is so very cool. Never done anything like this. Can I ask which country you are in?
18:08.44jazzee8845_Wales
18:08.58Phi__HA! The British Isles! Me too!
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18:09.07TimRiker:)
18:09.16LDSTechIt is great to have you in attendance.  Thanks for being here.
18:09.16TimRikerwelcome!
18:09.28Phi__Thanks
18:09.30tdeforestjohnsonth: can i preview the content? that will help me know how we want to present it?
18:09.33LDSTechWe will be starting in about 50 minutes.
18:10.00LDSTechYou guys are welcome to chat.
18:10.04jazzee8845_i got all the church apps on my blackberry
18:10.05tccastaldoGood evening, gents!
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18:10.34jazzee8845_had a problem with the gospel libary better now
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18:10.57jazzee8845_phi what you doing
18:11.15Phi__I have the live screen open on another window which will show the video. Just checking that it's still there! :-)
18:11.24jazzee8845_you a leader or learner :)
18:11.39Phi__I think that's obvious!
18:11.47jazzee8845_a learner?
18:12.09Phi__Are we not all learners....! too profound?! :)
18:12.18jazzee8845_yea
18:12.24Phi__:)
18:12.38johnsonthtdeforest, I thought I just sent it to you. did you receive it?
18:13.05tdeforestjust arrived
18:13.36jazzee8845_do you download latest content to your blackberry?
18:14.43jazzee8845_6:00pm
18:14.48jazzee8845_here
18:15.07tccastaldo= GMT, right?
18:15.12jazzee8845_yes
18:15.25Phi__Wow, you guys sound very tech. I don't even own a blackberry. But I do own an ipod...got that for my b'day last yr...haven't used it yet...!
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18:16.00jazzee8845_a ipod is great
18:16.08borandGuess you are not 100% ready, but you need to 'focuc' the screen...
18:16.18borandfocus
18:16.31jazzee8845_the screen is perfect here
18:16.38Phi__Yes, so everyone says. I am trying to get over my technophobe...it's still in the box...been there for 2 months!
18:17.17borandhmmm. the church logo is a bit  'blury'.... guess it is my setup....
18:17.27Phi__Yes it's very blurry here.
18:17.34jazzee8845_yes
18:17.39jazzee8845_its a little
18:18.12Phi__Looks fine when it is small, but when I do it full screen on my netbook it isn't clear.
18:18.17tdeforestjohnsonth: unless we can't do without images, I think we ought to just send out the text. I'll put the content in a template and send it to you to review
18:19.05johnsonthgreat, look forward to it.
18:20.58jazzee8845_i subscribed
18:21.20borandyes - when the 'screen' is small, the large letters are 'clear'. but it will be hard to se 'menues' and other selections. When it is maximized so we can se menues... it is blurry.... guess we cant have both....
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18:22.21jazzee8845_hope it dont snow in wales
18:22.41tdeforestjohnsonth: just a note: the newsletter says 2011
18:22.59johnsonthoh yeah, it is 2012.
18:23.07johnsonthi can send you thumbnail images.
18:23.41tdeforestk
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18:23.52johnsonthi just sent you a sample newsletter from the mormon channel.
18:23.59johnsonthwill there be a banner in the email?
18:24.11johnsonthif you could send me that banner, I can route the rest of the content for approval right now.
18:24.59tdeforestjohnsonth: i'm planning on a banner - 600x135
18:25.22johnsonthgreat, just send me something to include. i'll create a word doc with embedded images for ip/cor to review.
18:25.30jazzee8845_is Hal there ????
18:25.31johnsonthit doesn't have to be the exact size.
18:25.49tdeforestjohnsonth: k. i'll send make that and send it right now
18:25.52tccastaldoHal Rushton?
18:25.53jazzee8845_i need to speak to Jal
18:25.56jazzee8845_yes
18:26.14tccastaldoI don't see him here in the Zion rooms...but he may be at his office.
18:26.17johnsonthjazzee8845, try emailing him. he responds quickly.
18:26.29jazzee8845_ok
18:26.56jazzee8845_tccastaldo
18:27.07jazzee8845_do you know blackberry problems
18:27.12johnsonthtdeforest, what dimensions would work best for thumbnails? 125x125, or 150x150, or some other?
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18:28.14tdeforest125x125 would work. unless necessary detail will get lost at that size
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18:29.06tccastaldoI used to use a BlackBerry running OS 4.3.
18:30.00tccastaldojazzee8845_, what problems are you having?
18:30.29jazzee8845_i downloaded latest content scriptures gone missing
18:30.33jazzee8845_and all
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18:32.32jazzee8845_he could be working on it?
18:32.34Kristian_whoami
18:32.50mrklawI think you're Kristian
18:33.07mrklawyou need a forward slash before issuing commands
18:36.16johnsonthtdeforest, i'm thinking 125x125 for the thumbnails would be a good size.
18:36.29tdeforestsounds good
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18:37.41jazzee8845_feedback forest
18:37.52RPartridgeWelcome Greg
18:40.25Greg____Thanks
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18:45.34tccastaldoSorry, jazzee8845_ -- I stepped out for a moment.
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18:45.43jazzee8845_ok
18:46.07dbkjarIs it just me, or is anyone else having trouble finding an active link to the webcast?
18:46.08tccastaldoDid you exit Gospel Library and then open it again?
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18:47.01LynnIs there going to be vidoe of this braodcast
18:47.31Frank__I found it at tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast
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18:49.04dbkjarLDSTech, I'm noticing a lot of staleness on the chapter meetings wiki page.
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18:54.51dbkjarFrank__, I'm not seeing an active link on those pages, even checking html source.
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18:55.30Cliff_How do we connect to the broadcast? All I get is the link to connect to this chat window.
18:56.22JohnTo connect to the broadcast, please go to: https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_885FrlGiQLZUieo
18:56.24Phi__Help! So I tried to use the control + button to enlarge my screen and only the control - works to make it smaller. Now the presentation screen is small how can I get it back?
18:56.36Phi__Please!
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18:57.11Phi__Oh...it's OK panic over I did it! :)
18:57.12guest32I'd like an option somewhere between too small and full screen
18:57.18_Lizi agree
18:57.30Phi__You can do that by using control + button
18:57.47_Lizperfect, thanks
18:57.55Frank__There is a CONTENTS box as the 3rd paragraph Just abve that box is a sentence:cLICK HERE TO JOIN THE LIVE CHAT VIA IRC. That is the link.
18:57.57Phi__you're welcome!
18:58.08scgallafentFor those looking for the broadcast link: https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_885FrlGiQLZUieo
18:58.35dbkjarThanks John and scgallafent
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19:00.09mrklaw@Cliff_ you should be able to click on the Attend button and fill out the questionaire and then you will be redirected to the video stream.
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19:01.31TimRikerwe're starting. let's keep the chat to questions and topic. ok?
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19:02.32TimRikerconference registration is open. https://tech.lds.org/conf/
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19:03.18BroncoP3t3The tech conf would be nice
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19:04.37tdeforestdbkjar, i fixed the staleness on the wiki page. take a look: https://tech.lds.org/wiki/LDSTech_broadcasts#2011-12_LDSTech_monthly_broadcast_calendar
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19:05.03TimRikerhttp://mhtech.lds.org/ - Meetinghouse Technology home
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19:05.51TimRikerwelcome everyone to the IRC channel!
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19:06.28tnaisbitthello everyone
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19:07.36TimRikerNote for newcomers... this channel is logged publicly! do not say anything here that you don't want everyone to read. Things like phone numbers and email addresses should NOT be pasted in the channel. Thanx!
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19:08.27houserany chance auxiliaries will have access to this at some point?
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19:08.56RPartridgehouser, yes, in the future the reports and lists available on clerk resources will be made available to auxiliaries
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19:09.14TimRikerhouser, he addresses that later in the presentation. short answer... it's on the list, but has not happened yet.
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19:10.22TimRikerit looks like we have some scaling issues with the web interface. If you get disconnected, please just try reconnecting.
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19:11.04dbkjarbrightcove resolution seems unusually low this time around.
19:11.07TimRikeryou can change your nickname with   /nick <newnick>
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19:13.05phi__I got logged off...just checking if I'm on again?
19:13.10TimRikerhttps://www.lds.org/mls/mbr/
19:13.15knoxjscreen is unreadable - will slides be available later?
19:13.15John_BurggraafWhy does the broadcast page look so blurry?
19:13.18TimRikerphi__, yep. welcome back.
19:13.33MSR-RPartridgeknoxj, yes, the slides and presentation will be made available later
19:13.37sammythesmAre "Asst. Stake Clerk - Technology" supposed to have acccess to the "Clerk resources"??  I see leader resources, bu tnot clerk resources - but the previous slide said that Asst clerks should have access.
19:13.37TimRikerJohn_Burggraaf, it's much lower resolution than the screen here. :(
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19:13.52stkmem_Delaware_It doesn't look that blurry to me, but does look small
19:13.59TimRikersammythesm, checking...
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19:14.13smootarTimRiker, we have over 2,600 people that are viewing our broadcast.  Many are getting errors connecting to IRC.  Can we increase the number of connections?
19:14.22MSR-RPartridgesammythesm, all clerks, except assistant clerk-finance and stake assistant clerk-tech spec, are able to access some content.
19:15.02TimRikersammythesm, I see Stake assistant clerk, and stake assistant membership clerk. no technology listed.
19:15.07ChrisS_Are you planning on moving financial information over to the web?
19:15.10sammythesmIt's hard to train others or get them excited about it when I can't use/understand it myself.
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19:15.31smootarThe resolution of the broadcast today is 640 x 480.  We will have HD available in our broadcast next month.
19:15.35TimRikerChris__, more on that in a bit. it's coming but not here yet.
19:15.46stkmem_Delaware_Supposed to be trained, but not - I trained myself for stake membership clerk by serving as ward membership clerk in three different wards
19:15.52Dennis_When will this be available??
19:16.03stkmem_Delaware_Training clerks in sixteen units in my stake is definitely the hard part
19:16.05MSR-RPartridgeChrisS_, right now, in the future it is expected that finacial tools will be made available online; our current responsibility is to focus on membership functionality
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19:16.18TimRikersammythesm, I had the same issue. my leaders decided I could just be an "assistant clerk" which does have access.
19:16.25dbkjarthanks smootar -- if possible can the perm mpeg be higher res than this.?
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19:16.48ajacatacif yer joining us via the stream, hows the audio level on the stream?
19:16.58sammythesm@TimRiker - good solution.  I'll talk to my Stk Presidency about that.
19:17.01scgallafentAudio is fine
19:17.02dbkjaraudio: very good
19:17.03borandWhen will the 'training'/help pages be in local languague ?
19:17.09robg___good audio for me
19:17.09bagilesaudio level is great! video is grainy.
19:17.14JamieI was put in a Bishopric nearly two weeks ago.  I had access to this for a few days and then it disappeared.  I noticed that I was not listed as a counselor on MLS. though I was for a few days.  I am back in now, but still don't have access to the online portion.
19:17.17John_BurggraafAudio is very good.
19:17.31MSR-RPartridgeborand, the presenter will address languages later in the presentation
19:17.31joxsmithin full screen mode it's pretty grainy / blurry
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19:17.38borandok
19:17.39smootardbkjar, we will make a higher resolution available following the broadcast.  We will also make the slides available.
19:17.54ClaytonWhat browsers are supported?
19:17.57TimRikerJamie, have a clerk remove you from your calling, push changes, then re-add you as your calling and push changes again.
19:18.03stkmem_Delaware_When the camera's on the speaker it's fine, it's showing a montior that's grainy
19:18.12dbkjarmany thanks smootar
19:18.23ajacatacthanks john
19:18.30MSR-RPartridgeJamie, send an email to clerkresourcestraining@ldschurch.org and explain this problem, then we'll have someone look into your issue
19:18.57borandMaybe a bit off topic - but I get lots of questions about, when HomeTeaching will  be available at the web... do we have a guess ?
19:19.13Kristian_Clayton,  we support current versions of browsers and one previous version
19:19.15JamieDoes it have to be a clerk?  I have access to MLS on the Ward Computer and could stop by the Church and do it?  Does it matter if I am the one doing it or does it need to be a Clerk?
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19:19.57JKitterman@Clayton, we test in chrome, firefox, safari, and ie
19:19.58jonesrk2@Jamie  there are some issues with new callings getting access to lds.org.  We are looking into where the data is not getting all the way to authentication system
19:19.59MSR-RPartridgeborand, the presenter will discuss Home and Visiting Teaching later in the presentation
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19:20.12borandthanks, again....
19:20.49stkmem_Delaware_We have a recurring problem in our stake with callings being posted in MLS not making it to CDOL, or not granting appropriate access for the member
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19:21.26TimRikerstkmem_Delaware_, I've seen the same. removing, syncing, re-calling, syncing  often fixes the issue.
19:22.02stkmem_Delaware_OK, after this I'll call the one stake auditor and ask him to try again
19:22.03MSR-RPartridgestkmem_Delaware_, we are focusing now on the work needed to allow leaders to update callings online. this will also help to resolve the problem
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19:22.26TimRikerMSR-RPartridge, great! :)
19:22.40stkmem_Delaware_OK, so I don't have all the vocabulary down - I wasn't a computer science major, so sue me
19:23.18TimRikerstkmem_Delaware_, you're doing great. =)
19:23.31FamaxwellWill we be able to submit questions for the presenter by typing them here?
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19:23.43JamieIt shows a string of information in the policty-ldspositions field.
19:23.54MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, yes, i'll be happy to give your question to the presenter
19:24.00houseras far as syncing the way you enter info... do we continue to use MLS, or do we use this new tool?  Can we exclusively use this new tool from now on?
19:24.20jonesrk2@Jamie you should see p57 and then your unit number if it has you as a ward clerk
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19:24.43sammythesm@houser - use both.  the online tool are only a fraction of the full MLS functionality right now.
19:24.49Dennis_On the stake level, I have 2 accounts to keep track of... stake & rec properties.  how will clerk resources understant which account I want to access??  (I'm sure it will default to the stake account)
19:25.00MSR-RPartridgehouser, this tool doesn't have all of the functionality of MLS now, so I wouldn't use it exclusively, but at this point where it might be most convenient to you
19:25.04TimRikerJamie, don't post the string here, but what's the p<number> portion?
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19:25.28mhuntIf a Bishop's counselor has been given rights to view all records in Classic MLS, will he lose those rights in the new system?
19:25.30dbkjar3 million moves/year? wow. we're a mobile bunch.
19:25.31Jamie208
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19:25.49jajone18Question:
19:25.52scgallafentI'm looking.
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19:26.20jonesrk2@Jamie that is a Sunday School Instructor
19:26.25MSR-RPartridgemhunt, yes, in this new tool we strictly follow the policies of the church, so counselors will lose access they have now in MLS
19:26.36FamaxwellThanks.  Here's my question:  Is the ultimate goal to phase out MLS completely so that all functions are done over the internet thru lds.org?  If so, will we able to do custom reports and custom fields in Clerk Resources?  My ward uses several customized reports, so we need that functionality.
19:26.40JKittermanDennis_, Clerk Resources doesn't address financial systems at the moment.  That will be coming in the future.
19:26.41JamieI am/was that too, will be released on Sunday...
19:26.44John_Burggraafdbkjar, it's because we love to serve missions :)
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19:26.51sammythesm@mhunt - permissions in classic/desktop MLS are controlled by the software itself.  web MLS have static permissions that cannot be changed (as of now).
19:27.02ChrisS_What does it mean if my header information says: policy-ldspositions: p786
19:27.02TimRikerJamie, 54 and 55 are the bishopric counselors
19:27.13Chris__What about getting access to Assistant Ward Executive Secretaries?
19:27.31MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, yes, the plan is to completely replace the MLS membership functionality within the next two years.  Custom reports will definitely be available online
19:27.37TimRikerChrisS_, ward asst clerk finance
19:27.39jonesrk2@ChrisS 786 is Ward Assistant Clerk--Finance
19:27.52jazzee8845what about gome teachers?
19:28.00sammythesmI'm surprised that HT/VT is still on the "future" list... this is a hotly requested thing that would be enjoyed by a much wider group of chruch members than the narrow "clerk" audience.
19:28.00jazzee8845home teachers?
19:28.10FamaxwellAnd custom fields - will they be available in Clerk Resources?
19:28.30JamieWhen we were put in, everything still showed the Bishop as the previous Bishop and not the current one.  I figured the Stake Clerk needed to make that change.  My functionality disappeared when the new Bishop showed up in LDS Tools as the Bishop and myself and the 2nd Counselor disappeared.
19:28.31ChrisS_Could you show where the link to the MLS functions are again?  I can't find them.
19:28.31Dennis_put the e-mail address back up
19:28.36TimRikernote: asst clerk finance, does not have access. but an asst clerk does. that's the calling I had changed so I could help my other leaders with the online tools.
19:28.38jazzee8845What about home teaching lists?
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19:28.55ChrisS_(It looks like the calling is correct for me)
19:29.07MSR-RPartridgeclerkresourcestraining@ldschurch.org
19:29.14KoemanWill I be able to see stake and wards monthly financial statements?
19:29.17ChrisS_Maybe asst clerk finance does not have access though.
19:29.24dbkjargood presentation!
19:29.32jajone18I was called as the clerk for my YSA branch less than a month ago. I was in MLS this past week and I found that the 1st counselor in my branch presidency is not displayed in the presidency in the MLS system. It only displays the 2nd counselor and the branch president. I tried to put him in, but the computer would not let me. After some digging, I found out  we do not have his records for ever receiving the priesthood! He is listed
19:29.39jonesrk2@Jamie there is a bug in MLS/CDOL that releases the conselors if the bishop (from the stake) is put in after the clerk.  That is being fixed in MLS and CDOL
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19:29.52Guest62392ChrisS_, the location is under the tools menu after you login to lds.org  You can also hit it with a direct link https://lds.org/mls/mbr
19:30.25jiffypopWhat about the temple reccomend list? We as a Bishopric went through it and found it largely inaccurate for our ward.
19:30.26aebrown_I get nervous about talk of phasing out MLS on the desktop when it comes to processing donation batches for two reasons: An Internet connection may go down, and we don't want to wait to process a donation batch, and also data entry in web apps is clunky compared to a desktop app. Please let us still keep a desktop app for processing donation batches!
19:30.33sammythesmNice to see someone w/o a tie and suit on, Mike.  :)
19:30.35jajone18I know the man has the priesthood....He is in his 60s and he's sealed in the temple and everything, but I just want to know where to find that information so I can get that sent to my unit.
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19:30.41jajone18??
19:30.54TimRikerChrisS_, you are correct. ast clerk finance does not have access. ast clerk does. I asked my bishop and then changed my calling to just ast clerk.
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19:31.11Dennis_What is the e-mail address for help with the new clerk resources??
19:31.18TimRikerGuest62392, he won't see it as ast clerk finance.
19:31.43FamaxwellI agree with aebrown.  If MLS is completely phased out, we should have the ability to locally save or backup everything saved in the LDS cloud.  
19:31.55shemnon[q] - Will LDS tools and Gospel Library be released on the Amazon App Store for Kindle Fire?
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19:32.08sammythesmSounds like this Asst Clerk thing is a widely experienced issue.  They should add al the flavors of "assistant clerk" to the utilities....
19:32.38MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, aebrown_ excellent concenrs; these are the exact issues that are trying to be addressed before plans to provide financial inofmration are made
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19:33.00Dennis_Please provide clerk resources e-mail help address.....................
19:33.33FamaxwellBrother Partridge, will custom fields for membership records be available in Clerk Resources?
19:33.38Chris__Can Assistant Ward Executive Secretaries have similar or the same access as Ward Executive Secretaries to the leader resources?
19:33.39MSR-RPartridgethe email address is CLERKRESOURCESTRAINING@LDSCHURCH.ORG
19:33.54VicWhen attendees ask questions, please restate them for the online audience.  They are hard to hear.
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19:34.22Dennis_THANKS!
19:34.32MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, are you talking about the ability to add custom fields and then populate it with your own data?
19:34.50FamaxwellYes, that's what I'm referring to.
19:34.52Dennis_What is the transition window where Clerk Resources will shadow MLS???
19:34.54UkiahWhat about Bible videos for Android?
19:34.55aebrown_Regarding assistant clerks, I would note that there is no calling in the handbook called "financial clerk" or anything like that. There is simply the calling of assistant clerk, and an assistant clerk MAY be asked to help with finances. Thus the Assistant Clerk-Finance role should have everything the Assistant Clerk role has, plus more. It is wrong IMO for the financial clerk to have LESS capability than an Assistant Clerk.
19:35.26MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, We have not addressed this question yet.  Thanks for raising it.
19:35.42TimRikeragrees with aebrown_ !
19:35.42tccastaldoUkiah, last month's broadcast covered Bible videos in detail.  The main concern at that time was the size of the videos.
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19:35.53FamaxwellThanks, Bro. Partridge.
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19:36.06MSR-RPartridgeFamaxwell, you're welcome
19:36.19jonesrk2@Chris__ Assistant Ward Executive Secretary is not a standard positoin so it we can't tie access to it.
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19:36.52UkiahWhat is the link to be aware of these broadcasts ahead of time?
19:37.01TimRikerMSR-RPartridge, has the lack of access for finance clerks been discussed? as aebrown_ points out, there is no difference in the callings according to the handbook.
19:37.14scgallafentUkiah: Broadcasts are normally the first Friday of each month.
19:37.21TimRikerhttp://tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast
19:37.24george_poahow can I change calling online?
19:37.32scgallafentBroadcast page is here: http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Broadcast
19:37.35george_poaand is it synchronized with MLS?
19:37.39TimRikergeorge_poa, can't yet as far as I understand.
19:37.47aebrown_Excellent broadcast, SmootAR, Stephen Carlile, and others. Thanks!
19:37.49JKittermangeorge_poa, that functionality will be released soon
19:37.52Chris__jonesrk2 - I know it's not currently a standard position.  can it become a standard position or are there plans for that?
19:37.53george_poaIOh, I see, TimRiker
19:37.59george_poatoo bad
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19:38.06JamieThanks!  That explains it!
19:38.07VicThanks very much for the good webinar!
19:38.11scgallafentsmootar: Off the air now.
19:38.11TimRikerit's coming. it was on the list.
19:38.12george_poait shows someone as NOT having a calling, but I am sure he does
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19:38.21phi__Thanks for the experience guys!
19:38.22george_poanow I have to go to the Ward, check MLS and make sure
19:38.24Vicexit
19:38.28Vicquit
19:38.32george_poathis is not helping as much as I thought.
19:38.39scgallafentVic: Put a slash in front of that command
19:38.43tdeforestvic type a slash before
19:38.48tdeforestlike /quite
19:38.52FamaxwellHere's another suggestion.  When the new General Handbook was introduced, we were told that we could adjust home teaching & visiting teaching according to local conditions.  In my ward & other wards, husband & wives are often called to serve as joint HT or VT partners.  However, in MLS, the home teaching data does not show any husband serving with his wife in a VT companionship.  He will show up as not having a HT assignment.  Lik
19:38.59tdeforests/quite/quit/
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19:39.34sammythesmThanks guys and gals.  Good short webcast.  I see the only problem being this issue with Assistants callings (standard ones) not working yet.  Other than that, just wanna say - HUZZAH.  Good work.  More, more more.  :)  Our bishops and clerks are really enjoying (and using) these new resources.  We'll use them as fast as you can release them.  See y'all later.  
19:39.55Famaxwell... (continued) How about setting it up so that joint HT-VT companionships automatically show up in both the HT & VT lists?  This would be very helpful to the quorum & RS leaders in my ward.
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19:40.54VicThanks guys!
19:41.05MSR-RPartridgeaebrown_, the direction MSR was given by priesthood councils is that the clerk has the same access as a bishop, the assistant clerk has almost the same rights as the clerk, and that assitant clerks for membership or finance are limited to those specific roles
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19:41.55dbkjarThank again all. Once again, please email me if there are problems getting this video permalinked on the broadcast page before tomorrow.
19:42.30JKitterman@george_poa, what isn't helping as much as you thought?
19:42.36ZetaHello. I'm from  Hungary. Is there a plan to have Gospel Library in hungarin on Android?
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19:43.11aebrown_MSR-RPartridge, thanks for the clarification, but that's not consistent with the handbook. It's also not consistent with the way my priesthood leaders have always treated me as an assistant clerk. They ask me to do a variety of things, which may include finance, membership, or other tasks. So I have to be entered into MLS with multiple Assistant Clerk callings to have appropriate access. That's weird, but I guess we can live with t
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19:45.07Apm_Can anyone tell me if the finace part of MLS will ever be added to clerk resources?
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19:45.22TimRikerfrom what I understand, assistant clerk has all the access of each of the narrower callings. right?
19:45.45tdeforestApm_: they are working on that part but it is not being released now
19:45.51TimRikerso if they want you doing more, have them change your calling to assistant clerk.
19:46.11Chris__Will auxilliary presidencies have rights to things like rolls, birthday lists, etc?
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19:46.30Apm_Do we know when the next set of additiona features will go live on clerk resources like actually editing membership records?
19:46.50aebrown_@TimRiker, I think that's true now, but I wonder if the finance features will not be available to regular Assistant Clerks.
19:47.10TimRikerChris__, not at the moment. but a clerk can print off roles from the web site today.
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19:47.27Guest62392Apm_, right now you can edit email, phone and addresses on membership records
19:47.38Guest62392future release will expand that to edit more info
19:47.42Apm_I know but I want to do more!!!!!!!
19:47.58Guest62392the next release will include requesting records into your unit, recording baptism and confirmation, and recording priesthood ordinations
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19:48.11TimRikeraebrown_, Rick informs me that the current policy is that it's hierarchical. asst clerk would have all the roles that a narrower calling would have.
19:48.14Chris__TimRiker, is that something they will eventually have access to online?  Also putting in their HT/VT #'s?
19:48.16Guest62392it will hopefully be release in the month or two
19:49.26RobEsplinAs an assistant membership clerk for the stake I have done some boundary realigns it would be very nice if this could be done dynamically on the maps.lds.org.
19:49.40aebrown_@TimRiker, ok that's good. The only minor problem is that it's helpful on the Directory's leadership section for me to be visible as the financial clerk so that stake members know whom to contact with financial questions. But that does clarify the access issue.
19:49.46TimRikerChris__, it's in the plans, but not today. eventually teachers will be able to view/print their own roles.
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19:50.06Chris__Ok, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.  Thanks so much TimRiker.
19:50.18TimRikeraebrown_, yep. you can have both ast clerk and ast clerk finance. just means you show up twice.
19:50.29TimRikeryw Chris__ :)
19:50.30jazzee8845that was good
19:50.40aebrown_@TimRiker, actually 3 times, since I"m also the STS :)
19:51.07TimRikeraebrown_, and the web site admin? :)
19:51.07aebrown_@TimRiker, actually 4 times, since I'm also the Stake Website Administrator :) :)
19:51.12Stan__RobEsplin, we feel the same way. this will be something we develop in Clerk Resources that will pull data from LDS Maps and CDOL.
19:51.16TimRikerhehe. beat you. :)
19:51.30RobEsplinI understand that this is a
19:51.42RobEsplinThanks that would be very helpful.
19:52.02Bjorn_NOWill aux. clerks be able to use lds.org/MLS for their organization?
19:52.23jazzee8845i likw hoq the lds.org websites look
19:52.24RobEsplinSome of the wards in our stake are having difficulty getting lds.org to update to the callings in MLS is there a way to force that?
19:52.26aebrown_Ouch, I got whupped by TimRiker before I even knew I was racing him. ;)
19:53.14ZetaQuestion about Android Gospel Library App. Is there a plan to have that in hungarian language?
19:54.33knoxjThanks for email notice so I could be here. My initial questions answered by trolling responses. Good luck.
19:54.44Chris__Are there mobile versions of leader and clerk resources coming out?  I have access through the browser, but what about an app, like the LDS Tools app?
19:54.44Stan__RobEsplin, we have had problems this week with the syncing. Wait a week and try again. sorry for the inconvenience.
19:54.47JKitterman@Zeta, translations are coming in the next few months - the app isn't set up for multiple langs
19:56.04JKitterman@Chris__, the LDS Tools app will expand to include some of the reports / data available in Clerk Resources
19:56.21RobEsplinThanks
19:56.42ZetaJKitterman: thanks
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19:57.20Chris__JKitterman, thanks and what about being able to add calendar events through a mobile platform?
19:58.37TimRikeraebrown_, LOL
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19:58.58JKitterman@Chris__, I've heard (but I'm not on that team) that CalDAV support is coming for the calendar to support 2-way event create/update
19:59.18JKitterman@Chris__, have you seen the beta version of the calendar app?
19:59.59TimRikerRobEsplin, CDOL implemented some major changes this past week. I'd just hold off and try again in a week or so. there was a note sent out to clerks about it if I recall correctly.
20:00.29RobEsplinThanks
20:01.09Chris__JKitterman, no, how do I get access to the beta version?
20:01.21TimRikerlooks like the maps beta is down at the moment. it was here: https://lds.org/rcmaps/
20:02.05TimRikerbeta testing the various web sites can be discussed here: https://tech.lds.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?124-Beta-Testing
20:04.30Chris__Is there a link for the beta calendar?
20:04.30JKitterman@Chris__, not sure, but the Calendar forum could help: https://tech.lds.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?110-Calendar
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20:04.40Chris__ok, thanks JKitterman.
20:04.50dbkjarwonders, was the channel limit we hit due to an IRC limit or a web gateway limit?
20:05.32TimRikerwe hit over 100 people in here during the broadcast.
20:06.08dbkjarya TimRiker, I couldnt swing a cat without hitting someone's mouse.
20:06.15TimRiker:)
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20:07.19TimRikerdbkjar, we hit a hard limit for the ip at proxy.lds.org as well as performance issues with so many people trying to use the web interface at the same time.
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20:07.42TimRikerI don't have a channel limit set at the moment.
20:08.05dbkjarah, so this was more inside your buildings then out here on the range..
20:08.14TimRikernods
20:08.39scgallafentI counted 73 after excluding bots, employees, all the various flavors of TimRiker, etc.
20:08.51dbkjarstirs up his campfire embers
20:09.14TimRikerscgallafent, hehe. I thought I saw it just over a hundred at some point. 103 or something.
20:09.40scgallafentThat's probably about right.
20:10.06dbkjarhow many Baskin Rikers? 31?
20:10.56tcmobileLOL dbkjar
20:13.48gm_folks  about the calendar
20:14.19gm_are you thinking to integrete the schedule lessons to the new calendar version?
20:15.57JKitterman@gm_, I don't think we have a calendar representative on the channel.  Sorry, maybe try the calendar forum
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21:27.12tdeforesttccastaldo: do you use eclipse for java dev only?
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21:28.29tccastaldoI actually don't use it for Java.
21:28.42tccastaldoI use it for building projects.
21:29.00tccastaldoIf I could do that manually, I wouldn't use Eclipse at all.
21:29.26tdeforestbuilding projects? like dir/file structure?
21:32.56tdeforestoh i see - the Build. gotchas
21:33.47tdeforestif anyone sees smootar, tell him we need more mail chimp credits
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21:58.50dbkjarI'd like to send out the chapter meeting reminder, but hoped to see an mp4 in the wiki first.
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23:32.22tccastaldoI'm cleaning up.  Thanks, everyone!  Have a great weekend.

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