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00:32.39 | scgallafent | Hello, goiresfernando1. |
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15:47.43 | smootar | I thought we had the roles of Observer, QA, Dev, etc. documented on our wiki. I can't find it right off. Can anyone remind me where this might be? |
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15:55.38 | scgallafent | smootar: Google search doesn't see them. |
15:55.57 | smootar | The closest thing I found was this: http://tech.lds.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-miscellanous/381-the-ldstech-website-project |
15:56.08 | smootar | But is mentions changing roles in passing. |
15:56.21 | smootar | We need to document this and make it easy to find. |
15:56.29 | smootar | I'll add it to Jira. |
15:56.59 | smootar | It should state what Jira, SVN, Google Groups, etc. do in each role. |
15:57.04 | smootar | Maybe in a table form or something. |
15:57.07 | smootar | Just a thought. |
15:57.24 | scgallafent | There is also http://tech.lds.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-miscellanous/361-new-site-features-integrate-with-community-projects |
15:57.40 | scgallafent | (Would have been helpful to have seen that one a while ago!) |
16:00.41 | smootar | ************************************************ |
16:00.41 | smootar | ***** Begin - LDSTech Meeting - 15 FEB 2012 **** |
16:00.41 | smootar | ************************************************ |
16:00.46 | smootar | Who is all here? |
16:00.46 | scgallafent | moin |
16:01.00 | tdeforest | hi |
16:01.09 | tccastaldo | Hi. |
16:01.11 | thehpguy | Moin smootar |
16:01.17 | smootar | moin all |
16:01.26 | smootar | scgallafent, do you want to start? |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | <novel> |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | I've been updating the GGroups implementation to deal with some of the issues in the v2.6 update. |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | When I added GGroups support, I changed the member join/left emails to go to the group if the group was provisioned. |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | In the process I changed the behavior for non-group projects to be consistent with that design and deliver |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | messages to everyone on the project. This was a big inadvertent change to the existing design and has generated |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | a bit of ... unhappiness. I had also used the "Receive Team Emails" flag to control whether team members were added |
16:01.33 | scgallafent | to the groups. |
16:01.34 | scgallafent | I'm just about finished with changes that update that. Once these changes go into production: |
16:01.34 | scgallafent | * Team member join/leave/add/remove/change notices will go "to" project managers and "bcc" any non-observers who have |
16:01.35 | scgallafent | "Receive Team Emails" checked. |
16:01.35 | scgallafent | * Project status change and project deleted messages go "to" project managers and "bcc" everyone else. |
16:01.36 | scgallafent | * TimRiker added a message to the email function that tells how to unsubscribe (by unchecking the Receive Team Emails |
16:01.36 | scgallafent | check box). That will only be appended to messages that are affected by the check box. |
16:01.37 | scgallafent | -- |
16:01.37 | scgallafent | I'm also finishing some changes to implement announce-only groups. The Local Unit Apps Beta project manager sent an |
16:01.38 | scgallafent | email about the maps and lesson schedules being in beta. That generated a flurry of discussion on the mailing list |
16:01.38 | scgallafent | (beta maps was down at the time). He doesn't want that discussion on the list, so we're implementing announce-only |
16:01.39 | scgallafent | GGroups for projects that want that functionality. |
16:01.39 | scgallafent | -- |
16:01.40 | scgallafent | I should be done with these two groups of changes in the next couple of hours. They're significant enough and causing |
16:01.40 | scgallafent | enough pain that we should probably update production as soon as they're ready. |
16:01.41 | scgallafent | -- |
16:01.42 | scgallafent | There are some other changes that will come shortly behind. They're listed in JIRA as v2.6.1. |
16:01.42 | scgallafent | </novel> |
16:02.46 | smootar | ?) |
16:02.48 | smootar | :) |
16:02.53 | smootar | Sounds good. |
16:03.11 | smootar | We had some complaints about how this was implemented, so this should address those. |
16:03.15 | smootar | Thank you! |
16:03.39 | smootar | We also need to document this well. |
16:03.50 | scgallafent | There are comments in the code. :) |
16:03.54 | tdeforest | ~give scgallafent 1000 thank you's |
16:03.54 | infobot | ACTION gives 1000 thank you's to scgallafent |
16:04.02 | scgallafent | blushes |
16:04.08 | smootar | This should probably be put into the roles document. |
16:04.20 | scgallafent | The idea of adding a roles list makes sense. |
16:04.39 | smootar | ~give scgallafent a chance to fly if he comes to Utah. |
16:04.39 | infobot | ACTION gives a chance to fly if he comes to Utah. to scgallafent |
16:05.06 | scgallafent | I'll also cover this when I work with the volunteer tomjohnson has to document and with the blog article about it. |
16:05.27 | smootar | That would be great. I was asked about roles this morning and didn't have anywhere to point him. |
16:05.34 | smootar | tdeforest, ? |
16:05.55 | tdeforest | fixed a few minor bugs after the launch of 2.6 |
16:06.24 | smootar | sees a 2.6 patch coming. |
16:06.29 | tdeforest | alan brown reported a bug to me that i have not been able to reproduce in firefox on linux or mac. hoping it's a ghost |
16:06.34 | scgallafent | created v2.6.1 in JIRA |
16:06.49 | smootar | Great, I was just going to do that. |
16:07.21 | tdeforest | working to add info to attendee packet. |
16:07.35 | tdeforest | minor updates to other artwork |
16:07.52 | smootar | marks 2.6 released on 13 Feb. |
16:07.57 | tdeforest | i still need to add a link to ldstech chapters - this was a request from smootar |
16:08.02 | smootar | :) |
16:08.17 | tdeforest | i guess we can add it to 2.6.1 :) |
16:08.24 | smootar | I would like to update that page to show that Chet Harmer will be managing the LDSTech Chapters moving forward. |
16:08.40 | smootar | Chet is in Silicon Valley. |
16:08.45 | tdeforest | good thinking |
16:08.59 | tdeforest | do you have his info? |
16:09.13 | smootar | I do, but I would like to have him review it before we put it out there. |
16:09.42 | smootar | Anything else tdeforest ? |
16:09.42 | tdeforest | i responded to a design by BroSki for the lapel pin. |
16:09.49 | tdeforest | not sure where we're at with those |
16:09.52 | smootar | I did see that, thanks. |
16:10.24 | smootar | I need to make a decision on that today. |
16:10.38 | smootar | Can you send me your design one more time? |
16:10.46 | tdeforest | i'd like to discuss putting together a style guide for ldstech at some point. this would help designers and others make contributions to ldstech |
16:10.50 | tdeforest | smootar: yes |
16:11.01 | smootar | tdeforest, great idea. |
16:11.09 | smootar | Is that something that you can create? |
16:11.14 | tdeforest | yes |
16:11.25 | smootar | Does it need input from others? |
16:11.29 | tccastaldo | really likes that idea |
16:11.51 | smootar | Or just a review from others? |
16:11.55 | tdeforest | it would be good to have input for coding standards from timriker and writing standards from tomjohnson. i can work with them. |
16:11.57 | tccastaldo | Can you make one for the Java Stack, too? |
16:12.01 | tdeforest | a review by everyone would be good |
16:12.16 | smootar | Great thanks. |
16:12.19 | tdeforest | tccastaldo: haha. |
16:12.31 | smootar | tccastaldo, ? |
16:12.33 | tdeforest | that is all |
16:12.36 | smootar | thx |
16:12.43 | tccastaldo | I've been working on a fix in Scheduler that enforces the paper submission deadline. |
16:12.44 | tccastaldo | However, at our meeting yesterday, it sounded like some items (booths, for instance) would have a different deadline; |
16:12.44 | tccastaldo | some things are due today, but other things are due March 1, meaning there are actually two deadlines while Scheduler only allows one. |
16:12.44 | tccastaldo | So I'm not sure whether I want to check in the fix or not. |
16:12.46 | tccastaldo | Regardless, today I'm going to figure out why feedback isn't working right (two of the 11 bugs classified by TimRiker as being pertinent to this release). |
16:12.49 | tccastaldo | When is EPIS supposed to start working on this? Or are they already? |
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16:13.28 | smootar | EPIS should be engaged already. |
16:13.37 | smootar | TimRiker, got them going |
16:13.47 | smootar | moin TimRiker |
16:13.48 | tccastaldo | If so, it doesn't look like anyone has checked anything in yet. |
16:13.51 | TimRiker | moin |
16:14.00 | smootar | OK |
16:14.01 | tccastaldo | Do they have access to the repository? |
16:14.07 | TimRiker | not heard from them this week. I'll email them and see how it's going. |
16:14.17 | smootar | great. |
16:14.21 | tccastaldo | That's a great idea. |
16:14.34 | TimRiker | well, they have read access. I asked them to holler to get write access, but nobody has yet. |
16:14.47 | smootar | tccastaldo, anything else? |
16:14.53 | tccastaldo | No, that's all. |
16:14.56 | smootar | TimRiker, ? |
16:15.32 | TimRiker | pushed out some our ldstech release monday. gg performance issues caused scgallafent to disable that for the time being. |
16:15.50 | smootar | scgallafent, has novel above. |
16:15.56 | TimRiker | working on some cleanup on joomla again. hope to remove the display of joinid and itemid whereever I can. |
16:16.15 | TimRiker | itemid is redundant. joinid is user specific so urls can't be set to others. |
16:16.24 | scgallafent | removed a couple of spots where itemid was causing a "not defined" error after TimRiker made his change |
16:17.12 | smootar | send novel to TimRiker |
16:17.14 | smootar | sent novel |
16:17.26 | TimRiker | scgallafent, cool. I have more updates to send in on that. probably some of the same fixes. :) |
16:18.02 | TimRiker | fixed the admin filtering so filtering by search works when a group is also used for filtering. also combined sql queries |
16:18.34 | TimRiker | so that searching for groups is faster. need to check that searching by role still works, might be some speed improvements there too. |
16:18.56 | TimRiker | in general it's great to be back in php instead of java stack. :) |
16:19.14 | smootar | :) |
16:19.16 | TimRiker | but I need to dig into coda next. java again. wanna play tccastaldo? |
16:19.28 | tccastaldo | Oooooo! |
16:19.32 | tdeforest | ~give three cheers for php |
16:19.32 | infobot | ACTION gives cheers for php to three |
16:19.39 | TimRiker | need to get coda1.1 branch auto-deployed as a first step I think. |
16:19.42 | tccastaldo | Haha! |
16:20.01 | TimRiker | ~give php three cheers |
16:20.01 | infobot | ACTION gives three cheers to php |
16:20.08 | TimRiker | hehe |
16:20.10 | tdeforest | ;) |
16:20.20 | smootar | :) |
16:20.26 | TimRiker | ~give php three cheers for being simple and flexible |
16:20.26 | infobot | ACTION gives three cheers for being simple and flexible to php |
16:20.31 | scgallafent | mulls whether it would be more efficient to rewrite coda in php |
16:20.57 | smootar | Would that be FORG? |
16:21.01 | scgallafent | :) |
16:21.02 | TimRiker | scgallafent, perhaps. offers welcome. need to get oracle client working with php though. and on sles that's a pain in the butt. |
16:21.24 | TimRiker | I could delay coda yet again and work on getting us onto redhat first. |
16:21.25 | smootar | :( |
16:21.42 | tccastaldo | Hmm... |
16:21.54 | smootar | TimRiker, anything else? |
16:22.07 | TimRiker | means more delays, but it's worth considering. the pen testing is working on finding remote vulnerabilities to our ancient unpatched sles installs. I'm sure they will find some. |
16:22.23 | scgallafent | Maybe that will get things moving on redhat. |
16:22.24 | tdeforest | TimRiker: the pen test team might have something to say about that... |
16:22.46 | TimRiker | please don't post the channel name for the pen testing here. please do msg me if you want to get in. |
16:23.08 | smootar | David Ha. wants to meet at end of day today with Pen Test team. |
16:23.36 | TimRiker | dlhace fixed our production scheduler deploy, so we did an update on that. can't recall if it was yesterday or monday. |
16:23.40 | smootar | I've sent a meeting invite. |
16:23.44 | TimRiker | ok. |
16:23.49 | TimRiker | that's it for me. |
16:24.09 | smootar | Thanks TimRiker |
16:24.40 | smootar | keeps TimRiker and family in his thoughts and prayers |
16:24.47 | tccastaldo | Monday |
16:25.02 | smootar | tomjohnson, anything? |
16:25.13 | tomjohnson | nothing to report. |
16:25.20 | tomjohnson | the Newsletter beta should kick off tomorrow. |
16:25.27 | tomjohnson | i've been focusing some effort on documentation for that. |
16:25.35 | TimRiker | thx smootar. we sure can use it. went to a couple's date nite session last night by myself. :( |
16:25.45 | tomjohnson | but this is the same local unit app beta testing project that had the issues jeff brown raised yesterday. |
16:25.58 | tomjohnson | with trivial communication, that is. |
16:26.38 | smootar | ok |
16:26.56 | smootar | We need some help documenting roles and how it affects all aspects of LDSTech. |
16:27.09 | smootar | ie. Google Groups, Jira, SVN, etc. |
16:27.35 | smootar | I would like to provide docs on that in the wiki soon. |
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16:28.03 | smootar | Even just a simple table. johnsonth tomjohnson |
16:28.09 | smootar | two of them. |
16:28.17 | smootar | Double the output :) |
16:28.50 | smootar | thehpguy, did you have anything? |
16:28.58 | thehpguy | Not for this group ! |
16:29.07 | smootar | Thanks all for joining. |
16:29.11 | thehpguy | :) |
16:29.15 | smootar | ************************************************ |
16:29.16 | smootar | ***** End - LDSTech Meeting - 15 FEB 2012 ****** |
16:29.16 | smootar | ************************************************ |
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16:29.39 | smootar | moin BroSki |
16:29.52 | BroSki | moin, just made it |
16:30.03 | smootar | :) |
16:30.10 | BroSki | our UK CSM's did not get the letter |
16:30.33 | BroSki | I am gently emailing CSM to see if it has been sent, |
16:30.42 | smootar | Usually the Stake Pres. gets those. It sounds like they were told they would get one too. |
16:30.51 | BroSki | I got one |
16:31.02 | BroSki | two weeks after S.P |
16:31.17 | smootar | Great, I didn't know they did that. |
16:31.32 | smootar | Is it delayed intentionally? |
16:31.43 | smootar | I wonder if the Stake Pres. there will get one first. |
16:31.47 | BroSki | not sure, two piles maybe, or because I inquired, not sure |
16:32.13 | smootar | Maybe their Stake Pres. will see it first. |
16:32.36 | BroSki | hope so, did you get D .K. CSM application |
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16:33.29 | BroSki | I am targeting him as a PM replacement |
16:34.15 | BroSki | smootar: I also sent you a simple text based gift design |
16:34.28 | smootar | I see his application. |
16:34.34 | BroSki | signed? |
16:35.09 | smootar | No signatures. |
16:35.25 | BroSki | K thought so...I asked him to have his SP email it |
16:35.31 | smootar | He needs to meet with his leaders and get signatures. |
16:35.39 | BroSki | to csm-sxxxx@xxx.org |
16:35.55 | smootar | It shows you got a copy as well. |
16:36.25 | BroSki | Lastly I do have access to orgs, no need for vpn so I wanted to talk with you on protocol |
16:36.37 | smootar | He plans to stay in CA, is that right? |
16:37.00 | BroSki | will travel to riverton |
16:37.08 | BroSki | on occation/part time |
16:37.17 | BroSki | he can stay a few days a month I think |
16:38.05 | smootar | Great. |
16:38.27 | smootar | Just sending him a reply now. |
16:39.32 | BroSki | great...did you see the design? |
16:43.18 | smootar | Yes. |
16:43.36 | smootar | Did you see the feedback? |
16:45.38 | scgallafent | smootar, BroSki: Our CSM letters get generated by the CSM coordinator in our area. Do yours come some other way? |
16:45.59 | johnsonth | smootar, the notifications about teams receiving an email every time someone joins or leaves the project is really a sore point for the project that has 500 members. |
16:46.21 | johnsonth | Mindie just brought this up in scrum. Is there a way to turn that off? Are we planning to do anything to address it? |
16:46.45 | smootar | scgallafent, for an LDSTech Service Mission they come from the Service Mission office in SLC. |
16:47.06 | johnsonth | BTW, I haven't heard from Victor since that day he did the tour. |
16:47.08 | smootar | scgallafent, that is becuase they are serving for a SLC mission and not a local service mission. |
16:47.09 | tdeforest | johnsonth: scgallafent is working on a solution. part of a new 2.6.1 release |
16:47.44 | scgallafent | johnsonth: Tell Mindie that we'll probably have the update in today. |
16:47.59 | smootar | johnsonth, I'll send you a novel on the topic from our meeting. |
16:49.12 | smootar | johnsonth, just sent you the novel using PM |
16:50.21 | BroSki | Just did and replied with modification |
16:51.08 | BroSki | scgallafent: the letters come directly from CSM to Stake Pres, bipassing Regional mission Coordinators |
16:51.24 | johnsonth | smootar, oh, I see the thread I missed. |
16:51.27 | johnsonth | Let me look closely at that. |
16:52.35 | BroSki | smootar: I sent you and TD a design update |
16:52.47 | smootar | I see it. |
16:53.19 | smootar | I like it and am responding with a couple of thoughts. |
16:53.40 | tdeforest | BroSki: thanks. i think that is better. |
16:55.35 | johnsonth | the feedback I received from Mindie was that she didn't want to receive an email every time someone joined or left the project. It's quite a bit of email that comes in when you have 500 volunteers. But if she turns off team email, she's afraid she'll miss important info. |
16:57.23 | johnsonth | As I understand it, the change for the 2.6.1 release will make it so that observers don't receive join/left messages, right? |
16:57.28 | BroSki | tdeforest: thanks, now the design is in good company :) |
17:00.00 | thehpguy | BroSki , did you ever get the org charts ? |
17:00.37 | tdeforest | BroSki: ;) |
17:01.42 | scgallafent | johnsonth: Yes. |
17:01.42 | BroSki | thehpguy: you can as well I sent you an email |
17:02.12 | scgallafent | Part of the problem is that the meaning of turning off "team email" is ambiguous. |
17:02.48 | johnsonth | thehpguy, did you send it to johnsonth? because I didn't see it. |
17:04.55 | thehpguy | I meant, do BroSki ever get the Org charts we were going to look at |
17:06.06 | thehpguy | I am logging in now |
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17:11.58 | thehpguy | I get to main Home page, as I start digging in .... Error: Access Denied |
17:14.53 | thehpguy | Looks liek I can't install the VPN on non church owned assets ... |
17:16.51 | thehpguy | .. need vpn access to go to LDS teams ... |
17:22.54 | thehpguy | well .. if anyone has any answers ... Email me ... I need to log off ... have a good day ! |
17:30.26 | tdeforest | scgallafent: i'm thinking of adding update43-chapter-link.sql instead of just update43.sql. any reason i shouldn't do that? |
17:31.08 | scgallafent | Wouldn't hurt, but it creates a little clutter in the file listing. I think I'd be OK either way. |
17:31.22 | scgallafent | I normally just document in comments at the beginning of the SQL file. |
17:31.26 | scgallafent | TimRiker may have an opinion. |
17:31.59 | scgallafent | We do need a better way to handle content updates. |
17:32.04 | tdeforest | i also do that but then i have to open each file to know it's contents |
17:32.29 | tdeforest | agreed. but i don't know a way to do it. |
17:33.09 | scgallafent | Unless TimRiker strongly opposes it, I say go ahead. |
17:33.36 | tdeforest | i suppose it's an easy fix if there's a reason it shouldn't be done |
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17:53.32 | JoshBang | Does anyone need me to do anything today? |
17:59.13 | JoshBang | And the countdown on tech.lds.org doesnt show up on firefox when I sign into it. It works on chrome though |
17:59.24 | JoshBang | When I sign into my account |
18:00.03 | tccastaldo | JoshBang, I think scgallafent would like to know that. |
18:00.27 | tccastaldo | Does it come back when you press shift+F5? |
18:00.35 | scgallafent | JoshBang, can you flush your cache and see if it fixes it? |
18:00.51 | JoshBang | tccastaldo, no. scgallafent I will try |
18:02.29 | JoshBang | scgallafent, is flushing my cache clearing my cache? Im guessing yes, but just making sure |
18:02.40 | scgallafent | Yes. |
18:02.54 | JoshBang | That worked |
18:03.16 | JoshBang | perfect thanks |
18:03.40 | JoshBang | Why did that work? what does the countdown have to do with the cache? |
18:05.09 | scgallafent | There is some formatting in the CSS file that is required to get it into the correct spot on the page. |
18:05.24 | scgallafent | Emptying the cache forced your browser to retrieve a new copy of the CSS file. |
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18:05.43 | tccastaldo | Your web browser cheats by storing or "caching" the styles (CSS) on your computer instead of loading a new copy every time. |
18:05.47 | JoshBang | oh, cool. One day I will know what the answer to my question means too hahaha |
18:06.33 | tccastaldo | This makes the page load faster, but you don't necessarily get the most up-to-date copy of the styles. |
18:07.17 | JoshBang | Cool. You guys are too smart for me hahaha |
18:07.48 | tccastaldo | The styles, generally stored in Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), determine how web pages are displayed by your browser. |
18:09.10 | JoshBang | oh, alright. I think I understand it. |
18:09.17 | tccastaldo | :) |
18:09.23 | JoshBang | thanks hahaha |
18:10.10 | tccastaldo | np |
18:44.55 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Do you have a minute to do some quick styling? |
19:03.35 | scgallafent | smootar: At your desk? |
19:04.12 | JoshBang | No he isnt |
19:04.33 | JoshBang | scgallafent, I can hear him talking somewhere though. |
19:04.47 | scgallafent | When he wanders back in, have him call me. |
19:04.54 | JoshBang | Will do |
19:06.10 | scgallafent | Thank you |
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19:08.03 | tccastaldo | I told him. |
19:08.21 | scgallafent | Thanks, tccastaldo. |
19:08.25 | JoshBang | This FamilySearch Indexing app is awesome. |
19:08.28 | tccastaldo | scgallafent, smootar wants to know if it's an emergency or if he can go running. |
19:08.46 | tccastaldo | JoshBang, it really is! |
19:09.11 | scgallafent | Not an emergency, but I want to talk about updating LDSTech. |
19:09.19 | scgallafent | If he wants to run first, I'll keep testing. |
19:10.16 | JoshBang | tccastaldo, I have done like 150 names... and skipped about 250 hahaha some of them are impossible to read, even on easy. I found out that moderate is easier to read then easy... weird |
19:10.30 | tccastaldo | Strange. |
19:10.59 | tccastaldo | But you're getting a lot of names done. That's awesome! |
19:13.28 | TimRiker | scgallafent, what update are you pushing? note: I had to rewind the forum wam updates again. things are still broken there in some way I don't understand. |
19:14.03 | scgallafent | Changes for the join/part emails and add announcement groups. We can identify specific files to update. |
19:14.33 | smootar | scgallafent, called your mobile with no answer. Should I try again? |
19:14.46 | scgallafent | Try the desk. Mobile is upstairs. |
19:15.01 | smootar | k |
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19:17.17 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Find me when you get back. |
19:24.20 | TimRiker | JoshBang, get xampp here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/xampp/ Then try the tutorial here: http://php.net/manual/en/tutorial.php and move on to more stuff here: http://www.w3schools.com/php/ |
19:24.46 | JoshBang | <PROTECTED> |
19:25.03 | scgallafent | Another place to start: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/learn-php-from-scratch-a-training-regimen/ |
19:25.40 | JoshBang | scgallafent, thanks! |
19:27.16 | JoshBang | TimRiker, for the xampp start up thing, should I install apache, mysql and filezilla as service? |
19:28.02 | TimRiker | apache, mysql, phpmyadmin, yes. dunno what filezilla gets you that you don't already have with windows explorer etc. |
19:28.22 | JoshBang | thanks |
19:28.28 | TimRiker | we use svn to check in/out, and not something like filezilla to just copy files remotely. |
19:29.16 | TimRiker | tccastaldo, which svn client do you use? I'm a command line guy, so I'd tend to use cygwin with svn installed. but tortisesvn or similar might be easier to get started with. |
19:29.31 | tccastaldo | TortiseSVN is what I use. |
19:30.08 | tccastaldo | It includes both a command line and graphical interface. :) |
19:30.50 | scgallafent | The newest version of TortoiseSVN uses the SVN 1.7 format for the local copy. If you're using TortoiseSVN alongside something else, make sure that won't break Something Else. |
19:31.14 | tccastaldo | ...like Eclipse. >:P |
19:31.15 | TimRiker | ah. true. might be worth starting with the older tortise |
19:32.28 | tccastaldo | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tortoisesvn/files/1.6.16/Application/ |
19:33.04 | tccastaldo | JoshBang, do you know if you're running a 32- or 64-bit version of Windows? |
19:33.22 | JoshBang | I have no idea... how do I check? |
19:33.33 | tccastaldo | I'll be right there. |
19:33.34 | JoshBang | just in mycomputer? |
19:33.37 | JoshBang | k |
19:33.43 | scgallafent | WindowKey-Break |
19:35.52 | tccastaldo | I feel like I should've known that. Thanks, scgallafent. |
19:36.08 | scgallafent | No problem |
19:36.43 | JoshBang | tccastaldo, its done installing. Shoudl I download totoiseSVN? |
19:36.59 | JoshBang | the one that ends in .msi or pdb.7z? |
19:37.05 | tccastaldo | The .msi |
19:37.09 | JoshBang | k |
19:37.12 | tccastaldo | Go ahead. |
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19:46.33 | JoshBang | sorry, it made me restart my computer |
19:46.52 | tccastaldo | That's fine. I figured that's where you had gone. |
19:47.21 | JoshBang | K so the tortoiseSVN is installed and so is xampp. Whats next? |
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19:50.39 | scgallafent | You need an editor. |
19:51.12 | JoshBang | scgallafent, me? |
19:51.17 | scgallafent | Yes. |
19:51.27 | JoshBang | Where do I get an editor? |
19:51.56 | scgallafent | Just trying to think of what will give you the least grief. I really like mine, but it's commercial. (There is a 30-day trial.) |
19:52.52 | JoshBang | how much is it after the trial? |
19:52.59 | tccastaldo | scgallafent, are you looking for a PHP editor (one that will help with syntax, etc.)? |
19:53.08 | scgallafent | Yes. |
19:53.15 | tccastaldo | K. |
19:53.28 | tccastaldo | w3schools may have some suggestions... |
19:53.30 | scgallafent | Mine is $99 after the trial. |
19:53.41 | tccastaldo | Yuck! |
19:53.45 | scgallafent | tccastaldo, are you using something eclipse-based. |
19:53.51 | JoshBang | wow haha |
19:53.55 | scgallafent | It's actually worth the $99. |
19:54.01 | tccastaldo | If you say so. |
19:54.16 | tccastaldo | No, I just use a basic text editor. |
19:54.39 | tccastaldo | And then let the compiler/interpreter yell at me when it hits an error. |
19:54.42 | JoshBang | What makes it worth the $99? Would it be worth it for me to get it as a beginner? |
19:55.00 | scgallafent | I'm not sure it would be worth it until you're at a higher level. |
19:55.07 | tdeforest | scgallafent: i'm about 50% here. i think i've got a migraine or something coming on. i can't quite see straight, having difficulty focusing my eyes |
19:55.15 | scgallafent | Syntax highlighting would be helpful, but there are other IDEs that will do that. |
19:55.27 | scgallafent | It also integrates subversion, JIRA. |
19:55.31 | JoshBang | tdeforest, Those are no fun. Thats why I had to come home from my mission |
19:55.36 | JoshBang | too many migraines |
19:55.57 | scgallafent | tdeforest: Bummer. Do you think you can do a quick run-through on GGroups changes just to put a second set of eyes on it for a few minutes? |
19:56.08 | tdeforest | JoshBang: yikes. any migraine is too many :) |
19:56.18 | tccastaldo | The Subversion/JIRA integration is nice. |
19:56.29 | JoshBang | seriously hahaha I had 5 in seven days :( |
19:56.32 | tdeforest | scgallafent: sure |
19:56.40 | tccastaldo | Notepad++ does syntax highlighting. |
19:56.43 | tdeforest | :( owie |
19:56.48 | scgallafent | I'll put together some notes on what to look for and send them in a bit. |
19:56.55 | tdeforest | k |
19:57.16 | scgallafent | PSPad is decent. http://www.pspad.com/ |
19:57.23 | JoshBang | k |
19:57.41 | scgallafent | Start there and I'll get you hooked on the good stuff later. :) |
19:57.50 | JoshBang | hehe sounds good |
19:58.26 | scgallafent | tccastaldo: The integration is nice. I haven't installed TortoiseSVN since I rebuilt my machine. |
20:01.05 | JoshBang | scgallafent, Do I download everything under PSPad? The Installer, HTTP mirro, FTP mirror, etc? |
20:01.15 | scgallafent | Just the installer. Looking ... |
20:01.46 | scgallafent | Yep. Just download the installer (first item). |
20:01.54 | JoshBang | perfect thanks |
20:02.00 | JoshBang | Its isntalled |
20:02.05 | JoshBang | installed* |
20:02.29 | JoshBang | I meant downloaded one sec |
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20:04.37 | JoshBang | K, its running |
20:04.42 | JoshBang | whats next? |
20:05.59 | scgallafent | Try pointing a browser to http://127.0.0.1/ |
20:06.20 | tccastaldo | I tried that and XAMPP is running great. |
20:06.34 | scgallafent | Time to create a PHPInfo file and see if that works. |
20:06.39 | tccastaldo | JoshBang, localhost = 127.0.0.1 |
20:07.00 | scgallafent | tccastaldo, do you know where his apache docs dir is located? |
20:07.51 | tccastaldo | No... |
20:07.56 | JoshBang | It says that firefox cant confirm that your connection is secure |
20:08.14 | scgallafent | That's OK. |
20:08.19 | JoshBang | k |
20:08.41 | JoshBang | now to phpinfo? |
20:08.55 | scgallafent | Look at the XAMPP control utility and see if you can figure out where your web files are served from. |
20:09.04 | JoshBang | k |
20:14.05 | JoshBang | I cant find it. |
20:14.21 | scgallafent | Is there something that shows settings for Apache? |
20:15.01 | JoshBang | I dont think so |
20:15.18 | JoshBang | I went to the service tab and there is a box to check apache |
20:15.31 | JoshBang | and then it comes up with c:\xampp\service.exe httpd does that sound right? |
20:15.54 | tccastaldo | scgallafent, by "served from" do you mean the directory he needs to put files into to have them run on localhost/? |
20:15.56 | scgallafent | Yes. You need to find the Apache settings file (httpd.conf). |
20:16.01 | scgallafent | tccastaldo, yes. |
20:16.16 | tccastaldo | It's probably C:\xampp\htdocs. |
20:16.33 | scgallafent | JoshBang, open your editor and see what is in that directory. |
20:17.01 | JoshBang | I dont see directory |
20:17.35 | tccastaldo | ...unless he installed xampp somewhere else. |
20:18.22 | JoshBang | oh sorry, I was still in the xampp control panel |
20:22.48 | JoshBang | Actually I still dont see directory. |
20:23.08 | tccastaldo | C:\xampp\htdocs |
20:23.11 | tccastaldo | ? |
20:23.37 | JoshBang | Is that at me? |
20:24.15 | scgallafent | tccastaldo, you may need to go look. |
20:24.22 | tccastaldo | Will do. |
20:25.03 | scgallafent | tdeforest: You've got mail. |
20:25.22 | JoshBang | K |
20:25.39 | JoshBang | so I went to C:\xampp\htdocs |
20:25.44 | scgallafent | What's in there? |
20:26.02 | JoshBang | there is |
20:26.25 | JoshBang | wait |
20:26.32 | JoshBang | do you want to know whats in the xampp folder? |
20:26.36 | scgallafent | Yes. |
20:27.13 | JoshBang | umm... there are a lot of thigns in it. is there anything specific? |
20:27.36 | scgallafent | What directories are there? Is there one called apache or one called htdocs? |
20:28.39 | JoshBang | both |
20:28.54 | scgallafent | Look in htdocs. What is there? |
20:29.35 | JoshBang | There are some apache files and an xamppfolder |
20:29.43 | JoshBang | appache images |
20:29.55 | scgallafent | Is there a file called index.php? |
20:29.59 | JoshBang | yes |
20:30.00 | scgallafent | Sorry index.html? |
20:30.07 | scgallafent | Open that with PSPad. |
20:30.23 | JoshBang | k |
20:30.41 | scgallafent | It should look like this: |
20:30.49 | JoshBang | It says something is wrong with the xampp installatin :-( |
20:30.58 | JoshBang | the frowny face was included |
20:30.58 | scgallafent | <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> |
20:31.18 | JoshBang | <?php |
20:31.18 | JoshBang | if (!empty($_SERVER['HTTPS']) && ('on' == $_SERVER['HTTPS'])) { |
20:31.18 | JoshBang | $uri = 'https://'; |
20:31.18 | JoshBang | } else { |
20:31.18 | JoshBang | $uri = 'http://'; |
20:31.19 | JoshBang | } |
20:31.21 | JoshBang | $uri .= $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']; |
20:31.23 | JoshBang | header('Location: '.$uri.'/xampp/'); |
20:31.25 | JoshBang | exit; |
20:31.27 | JoshBang | ?> |
20:31.29 | JoshBang | Something is wrong with the XAMPP installation :-( |
20:31.57 | scgallafent | Look inside the xampp folder. |
20:32.20 | JoshBang | never mind I clicked on the wrong one |
20:34.05 | JoshBang | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" |
20:34.05 | JoshBang | "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> |
20:34.05 | JoshBang | <html> |
20:34.05 | JoshBang | <head> |
20:34.05 | JoshBang | <title></title> |
20:34.06 | JoshBang | </head> |
20:34.08 | JoshBang | <body> |
20:34.12 | JoshBang | <h1>It works!</h1> |
20:34.14 | JoshBang | </body> |
20:34.16 | JoshBang | </html> |
20:34.18 | scgallafent | That's the place. |
20:34.24 | JoshBang | perfect, thanks tccastaldo |
20:34.29 | tccastaldo | np |
20:34.31 | tccastaldo | :) |
20:34.46 | scgallafent | Rename that to index.php and go to http://localhost/ |
20:35.36 | JoshBang | K, probably a stupid question, but how do I rename it? can I do it from where I clicked into it, or should I save it in the editor? |
20:36.00 | scgallafent | You should be able to highlight the file (click once) and then press F2 to rename. |
20:37.48 | JoshBang | K, im at localhost |
20:37.57 | scgallafent | File renamed and it's still working? |
20:38.17 | JoshBang | yup |
20:38.34 | scgallafent | Open the file in PSPad and change "It works" to "It still works" and then reload the page. |
20:39.55 | JoshBang | Do I need to save it in PSPad? |
20:40.03 | scgallafent | Yes. |
20:40.08 | JoshBang | cool |
20:40.09 | JoshBang | it works |
20:40.13 | JoshBang | well... its still works |
20:40.17 | scgallafent | :) |
20:40.25 | scgallafent | Add the following two lines to the end of the file, save, and reload: |
20:40.27 | scgallafent | <?php |
20:40.30 | scgallafent | PHPInfo(); |
20:41.30 | JoshBang | cool, it shows the tables |
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20:41.51 | scgallafent | OK. You've now got a functioning WAMP server, an editor, and you can edit files. |
20:41.59 | JoshBang | woohoo! |
20:42.02 | scgallafent | You're ready to start the tutorials. |
20:42.05 | tccastaldo | :) |
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20:42.13 | JoshBang | Thanks scgallafent and tccastaldo ! |
20:42.20 | scgallafent | You're welcome. |
20:42.20 | tccastaldo | My pleasure. |
20:42.42 | scgallafent | I would go to the nettuts+ tutorial and start with "The Basics." |
20:42.43 | scgallafent | http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php/learn-php-from-scratch-a-training-regimen/ |
20:42.51 | tdeforest_mobile | not feeling good. laying down. scgallafent, i will look at those later |
20:42.54 | JoshBang | thanks |
20:43.07 | scgallafent | tdeforest: OK. Go shake the migraine! |
20:43.21 | scgallafent | Well, not literally. |
20:43.28 | scgallafent | Should have said tdeforest_mobile. |
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20:44.34 | scgallafent | goes upstairs for lunch |
20:44.38 | JoshBang | what does PHP stand for? |
20:45.17 | JoshBang | never mind hahaaha that was in the next paragraph of the article |
20:45.21 | tccastaldo | PHP Hypertext Processor |
20:45.24 | tccastaldo | ;) |
20:46.28 | tccastaldo | A recursive initialism, like GNU = GNU's Not Unix |
21:06.10 | TimRiker | originally "personal home page" used to be php/pi I think but I don't recall what the pi was. you could ask rasmus I suppose. :) |
21:06.50 | TimRiker | oh, php/fi |
21:07.05 | TimRiker | http://us.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php |
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21:07.55 | TimRiker | knows rasmus and his wife too. |
21:11.31 | tccastaldo | :) |
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21:18.20 | TimRiker | scgallafent, so, is there a way to get manager access to the bsir mailing list? or are we limited in manager spots under the current gg contract? |
21:23.33 | scgallafent | I don't create managers for the discussion groups. |
21:23.52 | scgallafent | I could. I just wanted to minimize the potential for people to fiddle with things. |
21:24.00 | scgallafent | looking at TimRiker and grins :) |
21:25.57 | scgallafent | I have to give manager access on the other lists so that I can make a distinction between users who are allowed to post and those who aren't, |
21:26.09 | scgallafent | so the barn door is open. What you are thinking you would use manager access for |
21:26.11 | scgallafent | ? |
21:28.45 | JoshBang | This stuff is way cool. A little confusing but I like it. thanks again guys. Im out of here cya |
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22:29.40 | TimRiker | scgallafent, can we push a change to stop sending join/part/change messages to observers? |
22:29.58 | scgallafent | Doing some final testing to make sure everything is working correctly and then it's ready to push. |
22:30.33 | TimRiker | scgallafent, imho project managers should be list managers. mostly just to debug that things are setup correctly. |
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22:31.01 | TimRiker | bonus points if joomla admins are admins over all lists, but that's probably an account limit, right? |
22:31.04 | scgallafent | My worry isn't so much debugging as them managing the list directly in GGroups and bypassing joomla. |
22:31.18 | scgallafent | No, but they would have to be members of all lists. |
22:31.34 | scgallafent | still needs to see if I can set delivery options directly.... |
22:31.39 | TimRiker | we already grant that in jira and svn. I'd continue with the "give them enough rope to hang themselves" approach. |
22:33.06 | scgallafent | I'm good with that. Let me finish testing these changes and I'll poke at that. |
22:33.13 | scgallafent | I _really_ want to get this change out today. |
22:33.33 | TimRiker | agreed. |
22:34.02 | TimRiker | wonders why he puts a period on the end of everything even if it's not a sentence. |
22:34.34 | scgallafent | thinks TimRiker is remembering his old telegram days |
22:34.43 | TimRiker | perhaps. |
22:35.37 | tccastaldo | Because. Puctuation. Is. Fun. |
22:36.00 | tccastaldo | No, see, in the telegram days it would be |
22:36.15 | tccastaldo | BECAUSE STOP PUNCTUATION STOP IS STOP FUN STOP |
22:37.16 | scgallafent | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2e/index.htm |
22:43.09 | tccastaldo | :) |
22:55.15 | scgallafent | smootar: Need to see if you got an email.... |
23:02.00 | TimRiker | scgallafent, hoping not to mess you up... just committed the itemid patches. |
23:02.31 | scgallafent | Shouldn't. I'll update and see whether it causes me trouble. |
23:02.43 | TimRiker | k |
23:03.13 | scgallafent | Aw. TimRiker stole r1600. I was hoping for the prize. |
23:03.22 | TimRiker | hehe |
23:28.54 | macnewbold | nah, you really want r2000 |
23:29.05 | macnewbold | or better yet, r2048 |
23:32.40 | scgallafent | smootar, TimRiker: Do you have a couple of minutes to watch for emails coming from updated code? |
23:33.18 | smootar | I don't right now. TimRiker can you? |