IRC log for #ldstech on 20121212

00:00.41TimRikercpitt, what's needed to pickup a change to styles/ldstech_fluid/theme/LDSTech_header.css ?
00:10.41TimRikerfixed ie view.
00:21.46johnsonthOkay, why would I want to add someone as a foe on the forum? Not sure what that really does.
00:22.46TimRikerheh. dunno.
00:22.57TimRikeropen a jira to consider removing that "feature"
01:01.26cpittI'm back, but I imagine that everyone is gone now
01:06.11cpittThe search has finally finished indexing
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15:59.59smootar~meetstart LDSTech Scrum
16:00.00infobot********** Start of the LDSTech Scrum Meeting on 2012.12.12 16:00:00 **********
16:00.05TimRikeryawn
16:00.13smootarGood moon, stretch.
16:00.20smootarmoin not moon
16:00.23smootar:)
16:00.27smootarWho is here?
16:00.29TimRiker=P
16:00.55smootard:)
16:01.08smootarTimRiker: is it just us?
16:01.24TimRikerperhaps. scgallafent is online, but dunno if afk or not.
16:01.29smootarI see zakzakattack and scgallafent
16:01.36scgallafentis here.
16:01.40scgallafentJust not looking at clock.
16:01.41smootarRussellHltn: is still here too.
16:01.45smootar:)
16:02.06smootarcpitt: Are you here?
16:02.16TimRikerreading through phpbb posts from last night. migration went pretty smoothly, some things were found after the move. cpitt has been working on some. I hope he opens jira tickets on the others.
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16:02.45smootarcpitt: Please open tickets on all items that you are working on.
16:02.52TimRikercpitt, was online posting on the forums less than 7 hours ago, so I hope he's sleeping.
16:02.58smootarWe want a record of the work that gets done for phpbb.
16:03.04TimRikernods
16:03.13smootarEven stuff that you have already fixed, I would appreciate a one liner stating the work.
16:03.33smootarSo cpitt had his last final yesterday, he should be around later.
16:03.56smootarSay cpitt a couple of times makes his computer ding maybe.  
16:03.56smootar:)
16:04.25TimRikerworth a read: https://tech.lds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=14460
16:04.45smootarWe may just need to keep working through items.  aebrown and RussellHltn should also provide input as the moderate.  As well as the other moderators.
16:04.54smootarThanks for all of the testing and migration work that was done.
16:05.04scgallafentNot authorized (authorised) to read this form? Ugh.
16:05.23TimRikerhmm. that's an admin channel. are you not an admin?
16:05.36scgallafentI wasn't, but I thought I fixed that yesterday.
16:05.37smootar~give scgallafent authorization
16:05.37infobotACTION gives authorization to scgallafent
16:05.53smootar:)
16:06.03scgallafentIf only it were that easy.
16:06.07smootarok, TimRiker can you give scgallafent authorization?
16:06.12TimRikertry now
16:06.13smootarMake sure he is in the group?
16:06.26scgallafentMuchly better.
16:06.32smootar:)
16:07.28TimRikeroverall things went really really well. most people probably did not even notice the change.
16:07.48smootarTimRiker: Do you have any other updates?
16:08.05TimRikerthere are some differences between the two, but I'm really pleased with the migration.
16:08.12smootarModerators are the ones with the most discussion items about the change.
16:08.21TimRikersmootar, I'll hope to get to the installer jira tickets today. :)
16:08.41smootareggcellent
16:08.46TimRikerI love the wide screen view. wish it were the default
16:08.56smootarnods
16:09.10TimRikercourse I wish the same for joomla and wiki.
16:09.27smootarscgallafent: ?
16:09.37scgallafent* Testing on phpBB deploy yesterday.
16:09.38scgallafent* Worked on setting up CPAS staging instance.
16:09.38scgallafentEverything appears to be working. Finishing up a couple of final changes and I'll have them start testing today.
16:09.38scgallafent* Spent some time with Simon Phillips and Jed Black to get them started working on Fortify issues.
16:09.38scgallafentI walked through how to resolve an XSS issue from start (find it, analyze code) through creating in JIRA, changing the code, and committing.
16:09.41scgallafentThe issue we identified and fixed cleared 30 outstanding items in BSIR.
16:09.43scgallafent* New Fortify scans have been uploaded and chart updated
16:09.46scgallafentGoing to work on the CPAS change today and also cleaning up RecProp code.
16:09.47scgallafentStill need to chat with smootar about git stats.
16:09.49scgallafentIf you want to see my thoughts, I sent them as a PM yesterday and they should be in your history.
16:10.16scgallafentThat is all.
16:10.23smootarthx scgallafent
16:10.37smootarI saw the notes.
16:10.44scgallafentOK
16:10.48smootarI will call you after this meeting.
16:10.54scgallafentDouble OK
16:10.59smootarif I don't get interrupted.
16:11.01smootar:)
16:11.14scgallafentI'll be here all day.
16:11.23smootaror all night.
16:11.24smootar:)
16:11.33smootarzakzakattack: any updates?
16:12.08zakzakattackNope not much scense yesterday
16:12.13smootarthx
16:12.30smootarThis afternoon we are going to discuss the Match making stuff.
16:13.01smootarWe would like to make some progress on the design so that we can determine next steps.
16:13.15TimRikerrecprop is having a tech meeting on ldsedit today. hope to learn more
16:13.15smootarI think most of you are planning to attend.
16:13.51smootarDoes the recprop meeting conflict with our afternoon Design meeting?
16:14.54smootarI'm assuming the recprop work is really in a supporting role as we help them get their project up and running with LDSTech Missionaries.
16:15.04scgallafentYes on the supporting role.
16:15.05TimRikersmootar, nope, just before
16:15.12smootarcool.
16:15.19smootarWe are done, thanks for everyones work.
16:15.24scgallafentremembers having a RecProp meeting with the LDS Edit team once before
16:15.28smootar~meetend LDSTech scrum.
16:15.28infobot********** End of the LDSTech scrum. Meeting on 2012.12.12 16:15:28 **********
16:15.38smootarfun meeting scgallafent ?
16:15.56smootarLDS Edit is for content.  It isn't to build applications. :)
16:16.04scgallafentCorrect.
16:16.14scgallafentIt was an interesting meeting. It will probably be less interesting the second time.
16:16.15smootarIt should be another fun discussion.
16:16.16TimRikerscgallafent, this is supposed to be more technical. we'll see
16:16.30smootarnods
16:16.39scgallafentWhere's josephscott when I need to give him a hard time?
16:16.55smootarcalls scgallafent
16:18.00scgallafentFor the curious, the meeting was on May 11, 2011. :)
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16:35.24TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=97855#p97855
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17:45.54scgallafentTimRiker, I don't have the RecProp LDS Edit meeting on my calendar. Is it today?
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18:02.14TimRikerscgallafent, forwarded
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18:02.21scgallafentThanks.
18:03.00scgallafent<PROTECTED>
18:04.00TimRikersure
18:09.11johnsonth_smootar, scgallafent, timriker, and cpitt: I have a draft of the LDSTech article about the new forum software. When you get a chance, can you check it out and let me know if you have any changes? https://tech.lds.org/blog/549-new-ldstech-forum-software
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18:10.57TimRikerjohnsonth_, you saw my legend message?
18:11.21johnsonth_TimRiker, yes, I included the screenshot from that thread. Very helpful.
18:11.23TimRikerjohnsonth_, https://tech.lds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14468
18:11.51scgallafentjohnsonth_, looks good. Nothing there that makes me pause.
18:12.03johnsonth_I did read through the moderator threads to see if there were major points to cover.
18:12.05TimRikerk. I did a few updates to my legend.
18:12.18johnsonth_TimRiker: you made that legend?
18:12.51TimRikerjohnsonth_, imported from another board, and I added some new info. going to add the optional message icons too.
18:14.01johnsonth_TimRiker: Great, send it over when you finish it and I'll update the screenshot.
18:14.27TimRikerjohnsonth_, going to mention the available LDSTech-fluid style?
18:16.01TimRikerah.. there is a note ther in the consistency paragraph. Might enhance that to mention the specific thing to change.
18:16.16johnsonth_I'll mention the fluid style more directly there.
18:16.58TimRikerUser Control Panel->Board preferences->My board style->LDSTech-fluid
18:17.15TimRikerwe'll be able to see how many choose that to get a feel for if people like it.
18:17.30johnsonth_agreed.
18:18.34TimRikercpitt, posted about getting a feed. you mention an icon for that. I don't see the icon? where do I find that?
18:18.49TimRikerI didn't think we were exposing it in the current theme?
18:19.12johnsonth_you don't see it in your browser address bar? I was using Chrome.
18:19.28johnsonth_maybe I'll have to revist that section. the feeds are turned on.
18:20.50TimRikerI'm not seeing it. where do you see it in chrome? trying chrome... hmm. still not seeing it. perhaps I'm blind.
18:21.40johnsonth_Maybe I have an extension or something that exposes it. I don't see it in Firefox.
18:21.54johnsonth_BTW, I'll add more detail about the symbols as you've posted here: http://tech.lds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14468&sid=77aa4c20f391a54b05724279f5d5f681
18:23.51johnsonth_TimRiker: just sent you a screenshot.
18:24.33TimRikerah. must be an extension. I don't see that even in chrome.
18:25.53johnsonth_It's probably my "RSS subscription Extension (by Google)."
18:26.29johnsonth_it would be neat to expose the feeds in the interface. Most readers have auto-discovery of feeds, but users may not realize that the forum and subforum actually have feeds.
18:26.51johnsonth_product mgrs should really subscribe to the subforums for their products.
18:26.53TimRikersmootar, Victoriacole re-enabled the .net stack link on the wiki home page. I don't know why it was disabled. thoughts?
18:27.28johnsonth_I thought I saw a note from Alan Brown about that.
18:27.43TimRikerjohnsonth_, agreed. cpitt was planning to look into exposing that. I'll re-enable the stock skin and look there...
18:27.45smootarI tried to find out who that was, is she an employee or volunteer?
18:27.51TimRikerdunno
18:28.01johnsonth_employee
18:28.04TimRikerahh. employee
18:28.06johnsonth_I asked her to create her user page.
18:28.09TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/wiki/User:Victoriacole
18:28.15smootarnods
18:28.31smootarintern
18:28.32TimRikerjohnsonth_, nice. information right where I looked for it. :)
18:28.33johnsonth_hey, we talked about this a while ago, but can we pass in the email address to the wiki profiles? otherwise there's no way to contact users who make edits.
18:28.34smootarcool.
18:28.54smootarShe is moving docs from SharePoint to the Wiki.
18:29.02smootarfor the .Net stack.
18:29.03johnsonth_i usually just type their wiki user name into outlook, and half the time it connects with a real employee's username.
18:29.16johnsonth_that's fine with me.
18:29.18TimRikerjohnsonth_, I don't recall if there is a jira on that. we should update the email when you make changes on your joomla profile page. I don't think we do that at present.
18:29.44smootarI think they are getting matched up with what the Java Stack are doing for Docs.
18:30.38TimRikerforum does not use the ldstech favicon.
18:31.16johnsonth_TimRiker: what solution would you use to find out who someone like Fgabriel is? look at the recent changes.
18:31.44TimRikerhmm. wiki is not showing the favicon either
18:31.52johnsonth_if Fgabriel or someone else unknown makes a lot of edits, or if a page has a specific person who made a lot of edits, and we want to contact the person to find out if the content is up to date or not, there needs to be a way to contact the person.
18:32.19johnsonth_you made me think a lot about the ldstech wiki yesterday.
18:32.44TimRikernot seeing fgabriel. wiki recent changes?
18:32.54johnsonth_http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=history
18:32.56TimRikerjohnsonth_, is that good or bad? :)
18:33.14johnsonth_If we want to audit the wiki content, we'll need a way of contacting some page owners.
18:33.33johnsonth_sorry for my incoherence. am in a meeting so am task-switching right now. i'll articulate this later.
18:35.02TimRikerjohnsonth_, agreed. joomla admin page will get you user details _if_ they are registered in joomla _and_ you're a joomla admin.
18:35.32TimRikerwe should talk about what admin/moderation tools we can do that would be useful.
18:36.46TimRikerhttps://tech.lds.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fgabriel
18:37.57TimRikerthe employees group on the wiki should be auto-filled out.
18:38.41TimRikerthere could be a moderation queue for non-member edits
18:46.29VickiHawssmooterar - I am sending out one more reminder to the CSM for the luncheon on the 19th - you mentioned there was a certain way they would need to call in to be part of the detional, what is it? I was going to ask them to dail in at 12:30 MST.
18:49.43TimRikerscgallafent, stephan reports his wife could not accept the ICLA last night.
18:50.01scgallafentYes. I saw a note about it on the forum from someone else and am looking into it.
18:50.41TimRikercool. open a jira ? :)
18:50.57TimRikerstephan cannot install ios apps on some devices. not sure why.
18:51.14scgallafentreads through message for the past 30 minutes or so
18:51.33scgallafentjohnsonth_, I think the email address is set when the wiki profile is first created. I don't think it is updated after that.
18:51.36TimRikerthere might be old cookies in the ios installer that I need to remove before adding the new pathed version? dunno.
18:52.17TimRikerscgallafent, johnsonth_, that's my understanding too. some wiki accounts get created with _no_ email. and I'm not sure why that is either.
18:52.45scgallafentI'll create one when I get into it in a bit. Beating on a CPAS issue right now.
18:52.48TimRikerI opened a jira on the Special:ChangeEmail page
18:52.54TimRikerk
18:53.15scgallafentgoes back to his code editor
18:53.29TimRikerlunches
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19:49.59johnsonth_scgallafent, timriker, sorry, just got out of my meeting.
19:50.15johnsonth_we were talking about the email address field in wiki profiles.
19:50.27johnsonth_looking in JIRA, I see that scgallafent already completed the item. https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-695
19:50.46johnsonth_This leaves me to wonder whether the change applies retroactivately to users who previously did not include their email.
19:51.02scgallafentMost likely not.
19:51.27johnsonth_If you look at the screenshot I just uploaded to that JIRA item, https://tech.lds.org/jira/secure/attachment/15946/contactingusers.png, why is it that User:Dammonburden isn't someone we can contact by email.
19:51.51johnsonth_Dammonburden predates the update that forces email addresses to be inserted into the profile, right?
19:52.48johnsonth_I can't imagine that someone who has made or is making a lot of edits to the wiki doesn't have an email listed in his or her profile.
19:52.59johnsonth_So the number of people I might want to contact to ask about the content is probably small.
19:53.06johnsonth_Thanks for making that update to the wiki, scgallafent.
19:53.50scgallafentYou're welcome. :)
19:53.53scgallafentLooking at the user.
19:55.11scgallafentThat user was created before the wiki was updated.
19:57.10scgallafentYou're probably right about the number of users that you may want to contact. In most cases, you could probably work from a wiki account back to an LDS Account if you absolutely needed to contact them.
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20:25.19johnsonth_scgallafent and TimRiker, I made the updates to the LDSTech article about the forum update and published the article. https://tech.lds.org/blog/549-new-ldstech-forum-software
20:28.25scgallafentjohnsonth_, thanks.
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21:16.07smootarscgallafent: are you joining us?
21:16.09tdeforeststeve you joining us. scgallafent
21:16.24scgallafentJust returning a phone call that came in during the other meeting.
21:16.27scgallafentBe about two more minutes.
21:16.32smootarok
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21:40.52johnsonthscgallafent, someone asks, "Is it possible for users to have a forum "handle"? I don't want my real name showing up on the publicly accessible forums."
21:41.03johnsonthI assume the answer is no, you can't change your user profile. I just tried and couldn't.
21:41.12scgallafentI doubt it. We can look.
21:41.36scgallafentYou could enter it as a JIRA request. Worst case is it gets closed as "Will Not Fix."
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23:42.36johnsonthscgallafent or TimRiker, I have a question for you guys.
23:42.51scgallafentFire away
23:42.56johnsonthWhen you do searches for LDSTech content, such as https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=ldstech%20lesson%20schedules%20forum&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=cf0c63362f1f3d11&bpcl=39942515&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355272958,d.aWM&biw=1188&bih=927
23:43.14johnsonthAnd you click the results that take you to the joomla blog on ldstech, does it ever take you to the wrong page?
23:43.39johnsonthI often get routed to the base category page on the first click, but not the subsequent click.
23:43.53scgallafentI've never had that happen. Does one of the examples in that result set exhibit the problem?
23:44.06johnsonththe first link i clicked in those results did that.
23:44.57scgallafentThef first link I get points to the forum.
23:45.10scgallafentWhat is the title or a URL chunk of the result I should look for?
23:46.40johnsonthI can't reproduce the error consistently.
23:46.52johnsonthI meant a non-forum link, such as to a joomla result.
23:47.26scgallafentI tried a couple of links to the blog and didn't have any issues.
23:47.56johnsonthThanks for trying. I'll keep an eye on it and see if I can ever replicate it. In the meantime, if you ever search for an ldstech link and it doesn't take you to the right page, let me know.
23:48.09scgallafentOK.

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