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| 16:00.07 | ekeating | ~meetstart <LDSTech Dev Scrum> |
| 16:00.07 | infobot | ********** Start of the <LDSTech Dev Scrum> Meeting on 2013.02.19 16:00:07 ********** |
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| 16:00.20 | ekeating | morning all. I trust you had a good weekend |
| 16:00.30 | TimRikerXoom | moin |
| 16:00.43 | jonmull | hi |
| 16:00.48 | TeddieSteiner | Good morning |
| 16:00.50 | JedBlack | hello |
| 16:00.51 | ekeating | let's go ahead and start with you TimRikerXoom |
| 16:00.51 | zakzakattack | hi |
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| 16:02.41 | TimRikerXoom | more profile cod8ng today. |
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| 16:02.52 | TimRikerXoom | checking in on email etc. |
| 16:02.56 | TimRikerXoom | that is all |
| 16:03.09 | ekeating | thanks |
| 16:03.22 | ekeating | zakzakattack, what are you working on today? |
| 16:03.41 | TimRikerXoom | staff |
| 16:03.51 | TimRikerXoom | meeting today, right? |
| 16:04.02 | ekeating | I assume so. |
| 16:04.05 | zakzakattack | Working on Getting hours from missioanrys adn community and I think i have issue to work on. that is all for me |
| 16:04.32 | ekeating | thanks zakzakattack jonmull any report for today? |
| 16:04.36 | jonmull | i have nothing to report |
| 16:04.42 | ekeating | thank you |
| 16:04.51 | ekeating | TeddieSteiner, ? |
| 16:04.58 | smootar | moin |
| 16:04.59 | TeddieSteiner | This weekend. Contacted Bishop to see if I could work with the Ward to set up Lesson Schedules. Making appointment with him to discuss. Making good progress on creating test questions for Swarm. |
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| 16:06.04 | ekeating | JedBlack, ? |
| 16:06.09 | JedBlack | working learning calendar |
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| 16:06.25 | JedBlack | thats all |
| 16:06.31 | ekeating | thank you |
| 16:06.43 | ekeating | here's cpitt's report from Friday |
| 16:06.46 | ekeating | Friday: |
| 16:06.47 | ekeating | Worked on righting Mikerowaved permission issues on the forum/ |
| 16:06.47 | ekeating | Next week: |
| 16:06.47 | ekeating | Whatever tickets get assigned to me. |
| 16:07.07 | ekeating | scgallafentXfmr, moin |
| 16:07.14 | scgallafentXfmr | Sorry. Running late. Mn. |
| 16:07.23 | TimRiker | hmm. wonder what cpitt found with permissions |
| 16:07.26 | scgallafentXfmr | Moin |
| 16:07.40 | ekeating | no idea TimRiker |
| 16:07.52 | ekeating | are you ready to report scgallafentXfmr ? |
| 16:08.53 | scgallafentXfmr | Snapping in keyboard |
| 16:09.06 | ekeating | we'll wait |
| 16:09.15 | ekeating | smootar, do you have anything for today? |
| 16:09.20 | scgallafentXfmr | Worked on https://tech.lds.org/jira/browse/LDSTECH-885 |
| 16:09.41 | scgallafentXfmr | Summarizing from Git is done. Working next on storing data and output functionality. |
| 16:10.05 | scgallafentXfmr | I'll be working on that today and prepping for CPAS release hopefully this week. |
| 16:10.06 | scgallafentXfmr | That is all. |
| 16:10.08 | smootar | Had a nice long weekend. |
| 16:10.08 | smootar | Christian H. is becoming an LDSTech Service Missionary as he transitions from ICS to |
| 16:10.10 | smootar | Reviewing plans today with John E. |
| 16:10.11 | smootar | Working with Elder Eliason and meeting a new LDSTech Chapter Pres. |
| 16:10.12 | smootar | A few other meetings. |
| 16:10.13 | smootar | That is all. |
| 16:12.00 | smootar | Is the GIT working in Dev only? Does it need to be deployed in production? |
| 16:12.05 | ekeating | thank you |
| 16:12.16 | TimRiker | do we have git in dev yet? |
| 16:12.22 | scgallafentXfmr | Still have some pieces to finish before it's ready for production. |
| 16:12.31 | scgallafentXfmr | I haven't checked to see if we have a dev Git instance. |
| 16:12.43 | scgallafentXfmr | I'm running my stats against local repos right now. |
| 16:12.53 | TimRiker | seems git is there, but gitrm is not |
| 16:13.20 | TimRiker | nor wgit |
| 16:13.25 | scgallafentXfmr | This will be a little odd to implement because we need local copies of the Git repos to run the stats. |
| 16:13.32 | TimRiker | nor gitstats |
| 16:13.53 | scgallafentXfmr | The stat script will probably run on cdev as a cron job, since there are local copies of the repos there. |
| 16:14.14 | scgallafentXfmr | That will need to feed data to the production server for reporting. |
| 16:15.05 | TimRiker | is not very comfortable with that. |
| 16:15.43 | smootar | For SVN, we run the scripts in production, correct? |
| 16:15.48 | TimRiker | production has valid ldsaccount in front of git. cdev has fake accounts that should not be able to see production code for non-public projects. |
| 16:16.12 | TimRiker | for svn we have access to the svn server. for git we've been told we cannot get access. |
| 16:16.25 | TimRiker | heh. can't get git access |
| 16:16.25 | scgallafentXfmr | We should let ekeating finish the meeting before we head down this rabbit hole. |
| 16:16.35 | smootar | But the scripts are running on svn production, correct? |
| 16:16.51 | smootar | agrees |
| 16:17.46 | ekeating | okay we're over time wo we'll end this meeting and you can continue this conversation |
| 16:18.04 | ekeating | meetend <LDSTech Dev Scrum> |
| 16:18.22 | ekeating | ~meetend <LDSTech Dev Scrum> |
| 16:18.22 | infobot | ********** End of the <LDSTech Dev Scrum> Meeting on 2013.02.19 16:18:22 ********** |
| 16:18.39 | scgallafentXfmr | OK. Back to our adventure.... |
| 16:19.06 | scgallafentXfmr | Here are the issues with generating the stats: |
| 16:19.26 | scgallafentXfmr | * gitstats doesn't have detail we need to properly report employee vs volunteer contributions over time |
| 16:19.45 | scgallafentXfmr | * In order to run our own stats against Git, we have to run against a local copy of the repo |
| 16:20.02 | scgallafentXfmr | * We have a copy of the repos on cdev and can generate statistics from those |
| 16:20.20 | scgallafentXfmr | * If we want to generate statistics from somewhere else, we need to create a local copy of the repo on that server |
| 16:20.23 | smootar | Is the reason you have to do a local copy is that we don't have access to the production server? |
| 16:20.33 | scgallafentXfmr | No. Git works differently than subversion. |
| 16:20.43 | scgallafentXfmr | Actually, yes, I guess. |
| 16:20.51 | scgallafentXfmr | Git and Subversion work differently. |
| 16:21.12 | scgallafentXfmr | With Subversion, we could run a local script and get data from a remote repository. |
| 16:21.20 | scgallafentXfmr | With Git, we have to have a local copy of the repository. |
| 16:21.51 | TimRiker | however, for performance reasons we need to run svnstats on the local machine. |
| 16:21.56 | smootar | The local copy is identical to the server copy. |
| 16:22.03 | TimRiker | running it remotely would take more than 24 hours to run through. |
| 16:22.04 | smootar | ok |
| 16:22.08 | scgallafentXfmr | smootar, correct. |
| 16:22.33 | smootar | How long does it take to run on a local machine? |
| 16:22.48 | scgallafentXfmr | If we could get SDS to run the stats script against their copy of the repo, that would be an option. |
| 16:22.48 | TimRiker | production "data" on development machines is a Bad Thing |
| 16:23.20 | scgallafentXfmr | Then we either convince SDS to add this script to their mix on the server or create another copy of the repo somewhere else for reporting. |
| 16:23.38 | TimRiker | I agree with any of those options |
| 16:24.18 | scgallafentXfmr | We've already got a copy of the repos on cdev that we can use for reporting. I don't think the _results_ should stored on cdev, but I'm OK with running against the cdev copy to generate the data unless we want to create another set of repos. |
| 16:24.23 | smootar | Let's send the request to SDS to make that happen. They can choose the option that is best for them. |
| 16:24.52 | scgallafentXfmr | looks at old email |
| 16:25.30 | TimRiker | scgallafentXfmr, I'm not ok with it. it's fine for a short term while you're developing, but some projects in git will consider their code sensitive enough that protecting it only with well known fake accounts is not enough. |
| 16:25.48 | smootar | Should a copy of the production repo be in cdev? |
| 16:26.12 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.44 | TimRiker | course I'd rather they all open their code, but that's a different conversation. :) |
| 16:27.33 | smootar | ok |
| 16:27.53 | scgallafentXfmr | Found the message I was looking for. |
| 16:27.59 | smootar | ok |
| 16:28.12 | scgallafentXfmr | TimRiker, I agree that sensitive projects would be an issue on cdev. |
| 16:28.23 | scgallafentXfmr | Would we be reporting on sensitive projects? |
| 16:28.44 | scgallafentXfmr | I doubt we're going to be reporting community contributions on those projects. |
| 16:28.53 | smootar | agreed. |
| 16:28.55 | scgallafentXfmr | I looked at the message I had a while ago from Howard Olsen. |
| 16:29.06 | scgallafentXfmr | He wasn't excited about it, but there is a possibility we could run it on their server. |
| 16:29.22 | smootar | What was his recommendation? |
| 16:29.34 | scgallafentXfmr | They don't have enough disk space for another copy of the repos, but they could possibly run it if we didn't need another copy of the repos. |
| 16:29.38 | scgallafentXfmr | (We shouldn't.) |
| 16:29.50 | scgallafentXfmr | It was easier for him if we took care of it ourselves, obviously. |
| 16:30.10 | smootar | Well, he said he would take care of our needs. |
| 16:30.34 | smootar | I would like to have him run it for us on the production server just like svn does today. |
| 16:30.56 | scgallafentXfmr | With where the script ended up, I think they could run it on their machine. They would probably want to script it and run it on their schedule and then we would retrieve the data when we want itt. |
| 16:31.03 | scgallafentXfmr | s/itt/it/ |
| 16:31.39 | smootar | How long does it take to run? |
| 16:32.06 | scgallafentXfmr | I would rather not have them install it until it's done from end to end and I know we won't need to make any changes on the stats side. |
| 16:32.26 | scgallafentXfmr | It takes a few minutes (don't remember exactly how much) to run for CPAS and Swarm. |
| 16:33.13 | smootar | OK |
| 16:33.36 | scgallafentXfmr | If you start running against larger repos, it's going to take longer. I can pull one of the large ones and see how long it takes to run on my machine. |
| 16:33.50 | smootar | So, to run it against all non sensitive projects, do you need rights? Or what account will be used? |
| 16:34.27 | scgallafentXfmr | You have to have a local copy of the repo. We have a service account that we use to clone the repo on cdev. |
| 16:34.49 | scgallafentXfmr | We would use that same account to clone the repo and run against the cloned copy. |
| 16:35.32 | smootar | So is the next step to run it against the whole repo? |
| 16:35.37 | scgallafentXfmr | The question is whether we end up running against the SDS copy of each repo, against a copy on cdev, or another copy that we create somewhere else. |
| 16:36.13 | smootar | It seems like cdev is the wrong place. |
| 16:36.15 | scgallafentXfmr | You don't run against "the whole repo." We clone the code for projects that we are reporting on and run against the local copy of each of those. |
| 16:36.47 | smootar | Do we run against the all of the SVN repo today? |
| 16:36.48 | scgallafentXfmr | cdev isn't the best place, but it's where we have a copy of the data stored that we need to report on. |
| 16:37.10 | smootar | s/the all/all/ |
| 16:37.21 | scgallafentXfmr | Someone would have to look and see if statsvn gets run against every project. |
| 16:37.41 | smootar | I thought it did, but maybe I'm wrong. TimRiker ? |
| 16:37.49 | scgallafentXfmr | My guess is that it does. |
| 16:38.32 | smootar | I would like to do the same against git. |
| 16:38.50 | scgallafentXfmr | The big difference here is that you're not going to the server and asking for the log data to generate your statistics. Instead, you Git is generating the statistics by going through the local copy of the code. |
| 16:39.28 | scgallafentXfmr | If we run it against every project, we need to have SDS run it or clone a local copy of the code for every project and run it against that local copy. |
| 16:39.41 | scgallafentXfmr | In that case, we would probably need to dedicate a server to that process. |
| 16:40.00 | scgallafentXfmr | Looking at the email, SDS may be willing to run it based on where things have ended up. |
| 16:40.09 | smootar | I would like SDS to solve that issue, but maybe we could make sure it runs in cdev first. |
| 16:40.21 | scgallafentXfmr | The biggest issue will be where to store data between when the script runs and when we collect it |
| 16:40.24 | smootar | How hard is it to run against the repo in cdev? |
| 16:40.39 | smootar | Where is the svn data stored today? |
| 16:40.48 | smootar | Is that a good pattern to follow? |
| 16:40.52 | scgallafentXfmr | The stat collection script can run against the cdev repo now. |
| 16:41.20 | scgallafentXfmr | The svn data is stored at SDS. They're already running statsvn against the Subversion code. |
| 16:41.31 | scgallafentXfmr | We call a statsvn summary script to get the data we need. |
| 16:41.56 | smootar | Would that same pattern work for git? |
| 16:42.00 | scgallafentXfmr | They also run gitstats against Git projects, but gitstats doesn't give us what we need to report contributions. |
| 16:42.42 | scgallafentXfmr | Possibly, but it will require more involvement from them. |
| 16:44.54 | smootar | I would like them to do it, and if it gets too painful we can go another route. But they have offered and I want to take them up on it. |
| 16:45.51 | scgallafentXfmr | I've managed to get the stat generation to the point where I don't think they won't have a problem running it. We'll need to figure out what and how to store it if we ask them to store data long term. |
| 16:55.04 | smootar | scgallafentXfmr: sounds good. |
| 16:55.23 | smootar | Do you want me to chat with Howard O., or do you want to contact him scgallafentXfmr ? |
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| 16:56.03 | scgallafentXfmr | I'm going to have to rethink where we went split that stat generation process and then I'll get back with him about it. |
| 16:56.18 | scgallafentXfmr | He and I talked about it quite a bit a while ago. |
| 16:56.32 | smootar | scgallafentXfmr: sounds good. Heading to staff meeting. See you in a minute. |
| 16:56.50 | smootar | TimRiker: Staff meeting reminder. :) |
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| 23:05.33 | TimRiker | smootar, what are the proposed dates for LDSTech/SORT 2013? |
| 23:05.46 | smootar | TimRiker: looking |
| 23:10.33 | smootar | I'm confirming, but I think the week is Oct 15-18, but I'm waiting for a reply. |
| 23:12.21 | smootar | Yes, Oct 15-18 we have reservations, but I don't think we will be doing all 4 days. It will be less than that. Decisions still need to be made. But that is the week. |
| 23:19.38 | smootar | TimRiker: is that what you need? |
| 23:23.27 | TimRiker | just getting around to updating the entry on the scheduler |
| 23:25.11 | smootar | For the scheduler, put Oct 16-17 for now while it is under discussion. |
| 23:25.48 | smootar | please :) |
| 23:44.45 | TimRiker | done |