IRC log for #lugot on 20080604

00:33.11flybaerummmm....guypat: where were you?
00:33.22flybaerJay!
00:33.29flybaerlong time no see!
00:34.15guypatflybaer: y0
00:34.28flybaerI missed you at the meeting
00:35.02guypatflybaer: i apologize. didn't realize i said that i'd show up?
00:35.41flybaeryou said you wouldn't mind working on the HD issue and I told you come to the meeting tonight
00:35.56flybaerand you said "aight,  i will"
00:36.05flybaerno biggie
00:36.17flybaerjust wanted you to know I missed seeing you there
00:37.23guypatmy apologies flybaer, i didn't mean to lead you on like that. by saying "i will" i meant that i would help you this evening via IRC.
00:37.47flybaerah...
00:38.48flybaerwell, my laptop didn't recognize it at all.  I am going to get this desktop set up dual-boot since it is a fresh hard drive and then I am going to try it again.  After that I will give the HD a proper burial
00:39.07flybaerI will let you know when I am ready to play again and maybe you can come out ;)
00:39.22guypatflybaer: ok, i'll see what i can do
00:39.53flybaerthanks and don't worry about it.  I was just playing with you and not giving you a hard time.
00:41.01guypatno worries - our line of communication hasn't been tarnished in any way on my end. just lemme know whenever you get square and we'll work on your HD issue
00:46.48flybaerwill do and thx
00:48.14macluvjayC
00:48.20macluvjayhow have you been?
00:48.34macluvjayhaven't seen you guys in a while
00:48.52guypaty0h0h0
00:49.24macluvjayhow did u find these hopeless fools ?
00:49.26macluvjay;)
00:49.56macluvjayflybaer: answer me!
00:50.05flybaerhey, you!
00:50.08macluvjayyou know I demand instant feedback
00:50.13flybaerI was onto bigger and better stuff
00:50.22flybaeryou get one chance for me to see you
00:50.30flybaerand then its on to other things
00:50.33macluvjaygood for you
00:50.33flybaerhow you doing?
00:50.39macluvjay:)
00:50.44flybaerlong time n c
00:50.48flybaerwhere you been?
00:50.55flybaerI miss you being around
00:50.58macluvjaysame old, work and school
00:50.59flybaeryou are a lot of fun
00:51.04macluvjaythey are a time suck
00:51.06flybaergot to have play time
00:51.15flybaerhow's the girl friend?
00:51.29macluvjayshe's been good recently
00:51.36flybaeryou know...the one that screams at you on the cell phone ;)
00:51.38flybaergood!
00:51.47macluvjayI've calmed her down quite a it
00:51.48flybaeryou deserve someone who will be good to you
00:51.49macluvjaybit*
00:51.54flybaerglad to hear it
00:52.01flybaerok, I hear you talking
00:52.05flybaernothing has changed
00:52.11flybaer:)
00:52.38macluvjayyou got all your remodeling done?
00:52.53flybaerwell...the area that you saw is all done!
00:52.58macluvjaynice
00:53.13macluvjaythere is always something, right?
00:53.18flybaeryou should come by and take a look...even Justin hasn't seen it
00:53.38flybaerquestion...if we moved the meetings to weekends, you think you could come?
00:53.45macluvjaywas raymond there tonight?
00:53.48flybaeryup
00:53.50macluvjayY
00:54.01flybaerwas the Y for my question?
00:54.14macluvjaytuesdays I have class until about 2000
00:54.27flybaerare you a member of the yahoo group?
00:54.32macluvjayY == weekends are good for me
00:54.35macluvjayN
00:54.47macluvjayshould I be?
00:54.51flybaerok...go to lugot.org and sign the poll
00:54.56flybaerwell, it doesn't hurt
00:55.05macluvjaymailing list?
00:55.07macluvjayI like those
00:55.13flybaerI send out email warnings of changes with the meeting, polls and such
00:55.21flybaerwe email each other and ask questions
00:55.27flybaerwhat's your email addy
00:55.43macluvjaypm
00:56.39macluvjayas long as I never have to log into any yahoo account, I would like to be involved
00:57.13flybaeryou won't have to be
00:57.21flybaerI could just add you
00:57.35macluvjaythat would be perfect
00:58.22flybaerok...you have been added
01:00.37macluvjayI'm migrating to a new mail server and trying to decide if I should stick with the bloaty horde/imp or move to a nice little ilohamail
01:00.45macluvjayany thoughts?
01:00.49flybaerjay have you received the notice about being added?  Just want to see before I try adding you again
01:01.08macluvjaylogging in now
01:01.17flybaerMy mail server is through ipowerweb
01:01.17macluvjaygot the invite
01:01.40flybaernothing saying you were added?
01:01.41macluvjaydo I need to click that join button?
01:01.55flybaeryou could do that, but then you would have to log in
01:03.41flybaergot you added and you are set up for individual emails...
01:03.51flybaerthere aren't many..maybe 2 a month
01:06.45macluvjaybrb
01:20.21flybaerhas anyone ever done the "install ubuntu" inside of windows
01:21.35flybaergoing to run this question up the ubuntu channel
01:30.40flybaerin other words Wubi
01:30.54flybaeranyone? and don't just tell me to read the FAQ
01:32.39flybaerguypat, macluvjay
01:35.36guypatflybaer: no, i have not
01:35.42guypatlast time i used ubuntu was v3
01:35.47guypatand i was offended
01:35.48flybaerk
01:36.11flybaerjust wanted someone to explain why it wasn't good
01:37.24flybaeryou are funny
01:37.28flybaerdebian guy?
01:37.37guypati'm not saying "Wubi" isn't good, i'm just saying i didn't like ubuntu v3
01:37.50guypatyes, i'm a debian fanboy
01:38.03flybaerwell, the newest version is 8.04
01:38.25flybaerI have to learn under people I can ask question of
01:38.44flybaerand a majority of the people I have access to use Ubuntu which is why I use it
01:39.06flybaeronce I stop crawling, I am sure I will develop my own choices
01:39.09guypatwell, could always learn on your own through trial & error :)
01:39.19flybaerI do that to
01:39.23guypatbrb
01:42.32flybaergoing to install this guy now so I am logging off...if you see me again tonight, I was successful!
01:42.34flybaerciao
02:01.37*** join/#lugot flybaer (n=Catherin@c-98-192-137-149.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
02:05.44macluvjayflybaer: ty, I got the "welcome" email
11:30.19flybaerGreat macluvjay!
11:47.38guypatClient Connection Uptime: 34d 23h 59m 49s
12:13.52Linuturkoi
12:14.05Linuturk<PROTECTED>
12:14.11Linuturknot as good as you guypat
12:19.53SlowCoderflybaer: Did a little research on our problem last night.  /etc/bash_bashrc is the Ubuntu equivalent to *normal* OS's /etc/bashrc.
12:20.36SlowCoderSo, we were correct to put that command in that file.
12:22.54macluvjaywhat ever hapened to ~/.${SHELL}rc
12:23.15macluvjaywhy you goota change for the whole system?
12:23.35Linuturkoi macluvjay :)
12:23.48macluvjayLinuturk: :)
12:24.43Linuturkhow's it going?
12:25.13SlowCoderAlso, I must have been tired last night.  I totally overlooked the possibility that there is probably a PS1 variable declaration in your ~/.bashrc file.  That is probably what caused my script to not work in /etc/bash_bashrc, and to work when we put it in ~/.bashrc.
12:25.14SlowCoderDuh!
12:25.20macluvjaypretty good, can't complain
12:25.36macluvjaynub
12:25.57macluvjayofc a loca; env variable will override a system one
12:26.12macluvjaythat is the point of them
12:26.14macluvjay;)
12:26.20SlowCoderMe knows that!
12:26.36SlowCoderBut I've been sick.  Not thinking straight.
12:26.57flybaerDidn't I ask that?  :)
12:27.22SlowCoderI don't remember.
12:27.23SlowCoderMaybe.
12:27.24Linuturk:)
12:27.30SlowCoderDid we look for it?
12:27.30flybaerI did :)
12:27.35flybaerno
12:27.39Linuturkslowcoder == jeff?
12:27.40flybaermaybe
12:27.43flybaerI forget
12:27.46flybaeryup Linuturk
12:27.53flybaerGeoff
12:27.55SlowCoderWell, with your newfound commandline skillz, get on it!
12:28.08flybaerwhatever <rolling my eyes at you>
12:28.08SlowCoder<-- Geoff
12:28.19flybaerand you are slow ;)
12:28.28flybaerget with the conversation
12:28.38flybaerThis is a whole lot easier than last night
12:28.39SlowCoderByte me!
12:28.49flybaerI can actually say everything I want
12:28.55flybaer<grin>
12:29.05SlowCoderHaha!  Byte=Bite!  Haha!  ROFL!!  Gosh that was so dumb!
12:29.26flybaerreally??  You sound like one of my kids now...all puny
12:29.37flybaerget it? puny...funny??  
12:29.44flybaer<yawn> I hate puns
12:29.52SlowCoderDo you mean "punny", or puny?
12:29.54LinuturkI think he's still asleep
12:30.08Linuturklittle girly man!
12:30.21flybaerI debated that, Geoff and wasn't sure
12:30.49SlowCoderLinuturk, flybaer left you a gift.  Did you get it?
12:30.57flybaernever expect a geek to have a great sense of humor
12:31.02flybaerbet he didn't
12:31.13flybaerhad some help doing it
12:31.23flybaerI can't take all the credit as much as I would like to
12:31.47SlowCoderJust because Ubuntu doesn't have all the required tools ... I think you should switch! :)
12:31.59Linuturkdo what?
12:32.03Linuturkwhat gift?
12:32.07flybaerwake up, Linuturk
12:32.16SlowCoderNow who's the slow one?
12:32.16flybaercan't keep up with the conversation?
12:32.37SlowCoderThat's what the history's for!  Read it!
12:32.40flybaergeoff, I am installing on my desktop today
12:33.18flybaerI was going to do the dual-boot install last night but decided I needed to verify my drive configuration before starting and then it was time to sleep
12:33.23flybaerand I forgot about sleep
12:33.44flybaerlinuturk is busy looking to see what I got my hands on
12:33.59SlowCoder*Argh!  How am I supposed to be covert if you keep using my real name?!*
12:34.03flybaerit might take him a while
12:34.08flybaer<grin>
12:34.09Linuturkjust tell me
12:34.17flybaerit is more fun this way
12:34.26flybaeryou'll find it sooner or later
12:34.30flybaerand I am VERY patient
12:34.36SlowCoderYou'll find it eventually.
12:34.37flybaerdid I mention that I have two teens?
12:34.39Linuturkwell, I guess I won't find out, b/c I'm a busy man at work and I don't have time to go digging through history
12:34.57flybaerworks for me :)
12:35.31flybaerslowcoder:did I hear some impatience in his typing?
12:36.45SlowCoder:)
12:37.25flybaerhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Y4keqTV6w
12:37.38SlowCoderI never forget about sleep, but frequently suffer insomnia.
12:37.42Linuturkremodeling
12:37.43flybaerditto
12:37.45Linuturkpfft
12:37.51LinuturkI was thinking you got a new computer ;p
12:37.58flybaerpfft?
12:38.03Linuturk(good job :)
12:38.09flybaer:)
12:39.17flybaerwatch the video...about 1.5 minutes in you will get to the really interesting part
12:39.20flybaerit is hilarious!
12:39.25SlowCoderWatching ...
12:40.11flybaerthe entire video is great
12:44.39SlowCoderNotice the recent lack of chatting?  Everyone's too busy laughing! :)
12:44.48flybaeryup
12:45.01SlowCoderHew hew hew hew!
12:46.36flybaergot tears in my eyes from laughing so much!
12:50.59SlowCoderToo funny!  I needed that.
12:51.31SlowCoderOf course, the "Laughing Girl" related video is almost as funny.
12:51.37macluvjaytears for fears
12:51.43macluvjaybizzare love triangle
12:51.46macluvjayheart
12:52.48flybaerI will watch...daughter just walked in and is watching this
12:53.20flybaerjay????  what are you talking about
12:53.28macluvjay:O
12:54.36macluvjaydamnit
12:54.38macluvjayI was wrong
12:54.46macluvjayTFF did Mad World
12:55.05macluvjayBLT was New Order
12:55.27flybaerah!
12:55.32flybaertracking now
12:56.01macluvjaycheck your pm skank
12:56.45flybaerminute...daughter is watching video
12:57.19macluvjayk
12:57.46Linuturkain't she got her own computer?
12:57.48Linuturklol
12:58.44flybaeryup, but she started watching the video over my shoulders since my computer is in the middle of the house
13:01.20flybaerholy cow...her laugh is annoying!
13:01.43flybaerok...laughing girl gets turned off
13:01.58flybaersounded like a hyena
14:00.41macluvjaythis is weird
14:00.55macluvjayjust did a debian etch install on a new server
14:01.13macluvjaywhen it boots up it drops to a busybox shell
14:01.23Linuturkyou've been haxxored
14:01.24macluvjaythis server has 2 raid arrays, btw
14:01.57Linuturkthey haxxored you with a microwave and a Mr. Fusion
14:01.59macluvjay80GB RAID1 and a 900GB RAID5
14:02.08Linuturknice
14:02.10LinuturkI want one
14:02.17macluvjayis sda2
14:02.17Linuturkgimmie gimmie gimmie
14:02.24macluvjaybah / is sda2
14:02.30Linuturkhard or soft array?
14:02.35macluvjayhard
14:02.37macluvjay3ware
14:02.47Linuturkdrivers kosher?
14:02.51macluvjayY
14:03.15macluvjaywhen it boots, it thinks sda2 is the second partition on the RAID5 array
14:03.28macluvjaybut if I boot a livecd, it seems them properly
14:03.30Linuturkouch
14:03.32macluvjayquite strange
14:03.40Linuturkhow about by UUID ?
14:03.43Linuturktry that
14:03.47macluvjayI reckon  could just edit fstab and grub.conf
14:16.01macluvjayinteresting
14:16.05macluvjayso that worked
14:16.22macluvjayI don't like it, but it worked
14:46.16SlowCoderJumping back to 10:02 ... We have 2.5TB hard array :)
14:46.45macluvjay...
14:46.50macluvjayso?
14:47.03SlowCoderBeats your 900GB
14:47.05macluvjayI have a 3TB raid6 array also
14:47.16macluvjaye-penis contest?
14:47.31SlowCoderOh.
14:47.34SlowCoder:(
14:47.37SlowCoderYou win.
14:47.44macluvjayif you say so
14:47.49macluvjaywhat is it I win exactly?
14:47.58SlowCoderMy jealousy.
14:48.06macluvjaylol
14:48.08SlowCoderThat's what all geeks want, right?
14:48.15macluvjaywhat do you use the 2.5 for?
14:48.35macluvjayI use my 3 for a file share smb/nfs/afp
14:48.55macluvjaythe 900GB is for email half for var half for home
14:55.59SlowCoderUser and website files, primarily.
14:56.24SlowCoderYou guys keep your own email over at CoM?
14:56.40macluvjayCoM does, but I'm not at CoM
14:56.51macluvjayand I do my own email here, yes
14:57.14SlowCoderWhere is "here"?
14:57.32macluvjaysendmail/uw-imap/horde-imp/
14:59.09macluvjayflorida high outsorcing everything to Mike Barker's crew?
14:59.29macluvjaymust not have much faith in their own IT group
15:08.23SlowCoderYou work at B.S.
15:08.36SlowCoderThigpen
15:09.28*** join/#lugot n0doze (n=n0doze@deathfuckinmetal.com)
15:09.55macluvjaywhat is B.S.?
15:10.56n0dozeHello
15:11.11macluvjayn0doze: w/b
15:12.05n0dozemacluvjay: thxs, whats goin on
15:13.23macluvjayI am trying to figure out why debian keeps confusing my boot partition
15:24.38guypatstartup script over-writing menu.lst ?
15:25.18macluvjaynope, but it seems to do the exact opposite of what menu.lst says to
15:25.37guypatthen change it in menu.lst to the opposite lol
15:25.51macluvjayduh, but it still does the opposite
15:25.56guypatoh wow
15:26.10macluvjaywhen I change sda2 to sdb2, then it mounts sda2 as /
15:26.17guypataptitude -purge grub
15:26.30guypatapt-get install grub
15:26.31guypatlol
15:26.42*** part/#lugot n0doze (n=n0doze@deathfuckinmetal.com)
15:26.45macluvjayno aptitude in busybox ash
15:27.29macluvjayI guess I could have chrooted, but I'm just gonna do rebuild both arrays and do a fresh install
15:27.35guypatthen apt-get remove? i find purge does a better job of removing associated filed.. i've found stuff after performing a remove which really pisses me off
15:28.21macluvjayget rid of any lingering mbr mess and start from scratch
15:41.08Linuturkaptitude does the best dependency handling
15:41.19Linuturkbut only if you use aptitude consistently
17:16.22Linuturkhttp://www.justinandsavana.com/gallery.php << wedding pictures
17:33.43flybaercan you get rid of the bottom border so I don't have to scroll and center each picture.  I can't see all of the picture at the same time.
17:35.54macluvjayagreed!
17:36.22macluvjayyour css may validate, but it fails the human usability test
17:36.41flybaeryeah, what he said!
17:37.44Linuturklol
17:38.13Linuturkhttp://www.justinandsavana.com/gallery/albums.php << there you go
17:38.26Linuturkjust for you
17:38.33flybaer:)
17:38.58flybaerMUCH better!
17:42.26flybaerreally like 111 and 112
17:45.02flybaer#172
17:47.18LinuturkI'm going to change the gallery to pop out into a new window by default
17:48.09macluvjayLinuturk: eye heart galleryv1
17:48.15macluvjaygood choice there
17:48.29Linuturkyep :)
17:48.39Linuturka few dependecy problems on etch though
17:48.40Linuturk:(
17:48.51Linuturk.htaccess isn't playing nice, so no files over 2 MB
17:48.55macluvjayslaps Linuturk
17:49.08macluvjaytarball from their site
17:49.21Linuturkduh
17:49.32Linuturkbut, it requires a few things I can't find the packages for
17:49.44macluvjayhrm
17:49.47Linuturkand, my apache or php configs must be screwey
17:49.58macluvjayslaps Linuturk again
17:50.02macluvjaylighttpd!
17:50.14LinuturkNEVAR!
17:57.54guypatLinuturk: given a choice you prefer apache over lighttpd?
17:57.59guypatlol, you're nutz man
17:59.07Linuturkit is what I know
17:59.51guypatthat's a pretty closed minded thought process
18:00.09guypat"i'm not gonna crap in the woods b/c a toilet is all i know"
18:00.42Linuturklol
18:01.00Linuturkwell, if everyone keeps going on about it, I might have to try it
18:01.31Linuturkisn't apache more standard though?
18:01.35Linuturkthe whole LAMP thing?
18:01.42LinuturkLLMP doesn't have the same ring ;p
18:02.35Linuturkthere has to be downsides
18:02.38Linuturkwhat are they?
18:02.42macluvjayFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
18:02.42macluvjay/dev/sda1              70G  378M   66G   1% /
18:02.42macluvjaytmpfs                 2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /lib/init/rw
18:02.42macluvjayudev                   10M   60K   10M   1% /dev
18:02.42macluvjaytmpfs                 2.0G     0  2.0G   0% /dev/shm
18:02.45macluvjay/dev/sdb1             441G  199M  418G   1% /home
18:02.47macluvjay/dev/sdb2             440G  342M  418G   1% /var
18:02.50macluvjayw00t for me
18:03.05macluvjayLinuturk: there is plenty of documentation for lightty
18:03.41Linuturkhow difficult are virtual hosts compared to apache?
18:03.43macluvjayit possibly does not scale as well, but for what you or I use a webserver for, lightty is more than enough
18:03.46Linuturkphp mysql too?
18:03.50macluvjaynot very
18:03.55macluvjaysure
18:04.52macluvjayif you want to get really light, you can even try nginx
18:04.52guypatmacluvjay: youtube runs lighttpd
18:04.56guypatwikipedia is running lighttpd
18:05.00guypatthe ish scales..
18:05.12macluvjaytrue
18:05.31guypatLinuturk: LAMP = over-rated BS.. stop conforming, that's what using nix is about, doing your own thing
18:06.01guypatLinuturk: virtual hosts? 1 line in /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf
18:06.16guypatthen /etc/init.d/lighttpd force-reload
18:06.23guypatassuming dns is configured, the vhost will work
18:07.36Linuturkso, I shouldn't conform to what I am using, and conform to what the elitiest thing I should use? (lol)
18:07.48LinuturkI'm so non-conformist, I'm going to conform
18:07.52Linuturklol
18:08.02macluvjayN, you should try out other options and use what is best for you
18:08.09LinuturkI know
18:08.14LinuturkI'm playing with you guys
18:08.21guypathaha, well, you could look at it that way.. but experimenting and trying out stuff will expand your horizons
18:08.23macluvjayapache is way overkill and a resource hog compared to lightty
18:08.33guypatanother good point, macluvjay
18:08.56guypatLinuturk: if you're really feeling froggy, try some Hiawatha HTTPD :)
18:10.57Linuturklol
18:11.07Linuturkwell, I guess I'll try light next time
18:12.20macluvjayhiawatha ain't bad to setup
18:12.33macluvjayjust not so friendly with certain cms engines

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