| 00:29.28 | detrate | hey |
| 00:29.49 | detrate | disappointing reply on the mailing list |
| 00:32.32 | patrickosullivan | I saw that, Frans is expecting you to basically import everything from lugot.org to .net, apparently |
| 00:33.49 | patrickosullivan | also makes it seem as if he hasn't visited lugot.net |
| 00:34.17 | patrickosullivan | oh well, it looks like he's ok with the idea of the current lugot.net becoming the main site |
| 00:48.11 | detrate | it's harder to port that data when it's in the form of a website |
| 00:48.29 | patrickosullivan | yeah, you'd need the raw SQL data I'm sure |
| 00:48.31 | detrate | I don't think he realized I'm the one that sent the email with the questions |
| 00:48.37 | detrate | because he was saying that "Tyler can" |
| 00:48.55 | patrickosullivan | yeah, or he just likes speaking of other people in the third person |
| 00:48.59 | detrate | but Tyler feels like the wind is being taken out of sails with this move |
| 00:50.04 | patrickosullivan | at first I was looking for that in the email, just realized you're talking in the third person |
| 00:50.14 | detrate | lol ^_^ |
| 00:50.42 | detrate | This just seems like a "do my job for me" sort of bit |
| 00:50.48 | detrate | but this is not what I signed up to do |
| 00:51.16 | patrickosullivan | you could say that you don't have the huge amount of time necessary to transfer that data |
| 00:51.36 | patrickosullivan | or to transfer it the way it would need to be transferred, anyway |
| 00:51.42 | patrickosullivan | which I would assume is true |
| 00:52.10 | detrate | it's a waste of my time and resources as far as I'm concerned |
| 00:52.17 | detrate | I feel like I'm getting mixed messages here |
| 00:52.29 | patrickosullivan | I think that's a sufficient enough explanation for why it can't be done |
| 00:52.32 | detrate | at the meeting they told me the group has no assets and they didn't need anything from the old site. |
| 00:52.52 | detrate | but then ray doubled-back and more-so I feel like he was trying to lay it on me. |
| 00:53.06 | patrickosullivan | it's a voluntary club, if they had hired you as an admin, then it would make sense to expect you to do all of that, but you're administrating this as a charity in the first place |
| 00:53.12 | detrate | While I just want to provide and up-to-date resource and get this moving forward. |
| 00:53.19 | detrate | yes |
| 00:53.29 | detrate | well I don't feel like putting .org backup was the right move. |
| 00:53.51 | detrate | if the intention was to extract the data, I feel like a package or cleaned up database dump would suffice. |
| 00:54.51 | patrickosullivan | at this point I think the ball is in your court, since they have sheepishly moved responsibility in your court, you now have the option to say "well, it would be nice if we could get all of that data, but I don't have the time or resources to do so" |
| 00:54.51 | detrate | but old members are busy flirting with nostolgia |
| 00:54.52 | patrickosullivan | and they won't have much room to complain, since they abdicated responsibility |
| 00:54.52 | detrate | yes, I'll give this a day and see what people have to say. |
| 00:55.13 | detrate | it went from a bunch of indians with no chief to a bunch of chiefs with no indians pretty quick |
| 00:55.28 | patrickosullivan | ha, pretty apt description |
| 00:55.29 | detrate | but now when shit gets serious, I feel like no one wants to follow through |
| 00:56.28 | patrickosullivan | I say we just keep doing what we were doing and run with our own momentum |
| 00:56.47 | patrickosullivan | if we get bogged down in the wishy-washy politics of this stuff it may end up discouraging any progress |
| 00:57.04 | detrate | we have to resolve this 2 web applications running issue before google starts indexing |
| 00:57.23 | detrate | interesting that ray still hasn't replied to my response about my views on open-source |
| 00:57.38 | detrate | eventhoough Last Active: Today, 12:03 AM |
| 00:57.56 | patrickosullivan | my vote is to ditch drupal. maybe we should poll via mailing list on that subject. |
| 01:00.03 | detrate | obviously mine is the same and as I believe I've made it clear, my concern is not with remembering the past but building the future |
| 01:00.24 | detrate | I have nothing again preservation but those who want it most should make it happen using the open resources I've provided |
| 01:00.39 | patrickosullivan | agreed |
| 01:00.41 | detrate | They could be in this chat room right now with the click of a button and ask for more if they need it. |
| 01:01.16 | patrickosullivan | that reminds me, I haven't checked out that IRC widget yet |
| 01:01.18 | patrickosullivan | checking it out now |
| 01:01.21 | detrate | ^_^ |
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| 01:01.42 | Patrick | It's integrated pretty nicely |
| 01:02.13 | detrate | I do what I can :-P |
| 01:02.34 | Guest6150 | hmm, just got a NickServ notice: -NickServ- You failed to identify in time for the nickname patrick |
| 01:02.51 | detrate | someone owns that name |
| 01:02.59 | detrate | freenode is pretty strict about names |
| 01:03.02 | detrate | and communities |
| 01:03.03 | detrate | and channels |
| 01:03.11 | detrate | ## channels here are "official" |
| 01:03.11 | Guest6150 | that would make sense |
| 01:03.31 | Guest6150 | #lugot is basically the only freenode channel I really frequent |
| 01:03.38 | detrate | ah, I have a bundle |
| 01:04.06 | patrickosullivan | I'd like to find other interesting channels |
| 01:04.15 | detrate | /whois detrate |
| 01:04.31 | detrate | maybe none of that will interest you |
| 01:05.22 | patrickosullivan | ha, #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-women may |
| 01:08.31 | detrate | yeah, I'm in a lot of nerdy ones other than that |
| 01:08.38 | detrate | image magick is amazing btw |
| 01:09.02 | detrate | 12's sysinfo for '2quadjutsu12': 10Ubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) 12/ 2Linux 2.6.28-15-generic 12 running 2GNOME 2.26.1,12 on a 2Intel(R) Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz at 1600 MHz (4800 MrBougomips), 2 7609/7892MB RAM12 from10 223 processes12; 12, looking into2 3840x1200 pixels12 powered by a 10GeForce GTX 275 12 with2 HD: 515/601GB 12 filled. 11[2 7.21d up,10 2 users, load average: 1.19, 1.31 11] |
| 01:12.08 | detrate | I'd show you something sweet but Nexuiz Ninjaz doesn't seem to want to respond |
| 01:15.00 | patrickosullivan | something to demonstrate image magick? |
| 01:19.00 | detrate | http://www.nexuizninjaz.com/forum/Thread-Tips-for-creating-CTF-red-and-blue-textures-in-Linux.html |
| 01:20.43 | patrickosullivan | how long have you been doing all of your image editing with open source tools? |
| 01:21.23 | detrate | only in the past 8 months or so |
| 01:21.42 | detrate | I still occasionally need to bust out photoshop at work |
| 01:21.42 | detrate | but I do the bulk of in GIMP |
| 01:21.43 | detrate | mostly because it's native |
| 01:22.15 | detrate | Otherwise, I flip my right monitor to OS X (I have a mac mini on a KVM) and network back into my left monitor running Linux still with synergy-plus |
| 01:22.43 | detrate | so when my cursor hits the left edge of the right monitor when in OS X, it will seamlessly move to Linux |
| 01:23.21 | detrate | I can copy/paste text across the machines, to transfer files I have to use a networked folder |
| 01:23.43 | patrickosullivan | oh wow, that is pretty bad ass |
| 01:23.51 | patrickosullivan | the cursor and the copy/paste abilities |
| 01:23.56 | detrate | yeah, except... I dislike OS X :) |
| 01:24.17 | patrickosullivan | because it's closed source/command and control? |
| 01:24.24 | detrate | I find it very limiting even compared to windows |
| 01:24.41 | detrate | the terminal is _decent_ but not near as good as linux GUI terminals |
| 01:24.47 | detrate | gnome-terminal and konsole are great |
| 01:25.29 | detrate | there are little stupid things too... like I have to hack config files to add the full path to the titlebar of finder? |
| 01:25.34 | detrate | that shoudl be a checkbox |
| 01:25.39 | detrate | but finder is a piece of shit anyway. |
| 01:25.44 | patrickosullivan | well, there are alternative terminals, I will say |
| 01:25.45 | patrickosullivan | and yeah |
| 01:25.47 | patrickosullivan | finder is shit |
| 01:25.49 | detrate | yes, I use iterm |
| 01:25.57 | detrate | and I was told to BUY a new file explorer |
| 01:25.58 | detrate | but funk that |
| 01:26.31 | patrickosullivan | yeah, supposedly Snow Leopard has included a rewritten finder, I believe |
| 01:26.44 | detrate | GUI needs _a_lot_ more |
| 01:26.47 | detrate | tabs at least |
| 01:27.49 | patrickosullivan | tabs would be pretty convenient |
| 01:27.59 | patrickosullivan | I haven't looked into any alternative file browsers |
| 01:28.04 | detrate | nautilus isn't perfect but it's great |
| 01:28.06 | detrate | I've looked |
| 01:28.14 | detrate | and there aren't any good FREE ones for OS X |
| 01:28.18 | detrate | fink and macports are bullshit |
| 01:28.27 | detrate | anyone that says they are a decent solution is out of their mind |
| 01:28.42 | patrickosullivan | it seems like, in the near future, there will be a demand for a decent free/open one on OS X, but the user base is so small and disinterested in free software for some reason |
| 01:29.03 | detrate | I doubt apple will comply |
| 01:29.09 | detrate | they WANT a closed system |
| 01:29.21 | detrate | they just take advantage of open-source imho |
| 01:29.30 | patrickosullivan | well, I'm saying a community may build an "open finder" sort of thing |
| 01:29.40 | patrickosullivan | but most apple users are pretty novice |
| 01:29.47 | detrate | it'll be worse than linux software they complain about :-P |
| 01:29.50 | patrickosullivan | so it seems like building the community there might be difficult |
| 01:30.11 | detrate | the only DECENT community app I can think of for OS X is adium |
| 01:30.24 | patrickosullivan | which is a pretty great app |
| 01:30.29 | patrickosullivan | but that's really all I can think of, too |
| 01:30.38 | detrate | yeah |
| 01:30.59 | detrate | When I first got the mac mini I looks for software and improvements all over the place |
| 01:31.08 | detrate | anything decent pretty much requires breaking the operating system :-P |
| 01:32.10 | patrickosullivan | yeah, not a very customizable system |
| 01:32.10 | detrate | actually I did come across 1 recent themer that didn't break the OS |
| 01:32.10 | detrate | the name escapes me |
| 01:32.53 | detrate | wireless management of hidden networks is a hassle |
| 01:32.58 | detrate | I have to type them in every time |
| 01:33.15 | patrickosullivan | hmmm, I've never had that problem |
| 01:33.21 | patrickosullivan | which version of OS X are you running? |
| 01:33.31 | detrate | the one right before snow leopard |
| 01:34.23 | patrickosullivan | strange, I've run leopard with hidden SSIDs for pretty extensive periods |
| 01:34.51 | detrate | when you change networks... it doesn't disappear on you? |
| 01:36.08 | patrickosullivan | nah, I'd change from the FSUWIN network over to different coffee shops, and when I returned to my dorm I'd get back on my little hidden access point |
| 01:36.18 | patrickosullivan | last school year |
| 01:36.31 | detrate | hmm, well I was doing it between 2 wireless networks in the same location |
| 01:37.02 | detrate | maybe this makes a difference |
| 01:37.14 | detrate | I have to start heading to bed, gotta work early tomorrow. |
| 01:37.17 | detrate | ttyl |
| 01:37.33 | patrickosullivan | alright, catch you later man |
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| 15:39.43 | detrate_ | hey |
| 15:56.19 | detrate_ | what's up patrickosullivan ? |
| 16:00.17 | patrickosullivan | hey detrate_, was just about to head out actually |
| 16:00.22 | patrickosullivan | I'll be back on later though |
| 16:00.29 | patrickosullivan | I created a new category on the wiki, by the way |
| 16:00.36 | patrickosullivan | "distributions" |
| 16:00.44 | patrickosullivan | and modified the wiki start page a little bit |
| 16:01.05 | patrickosullivan | anyway, I'll catch you later |
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| 17:16.24 | detrate_ | yeah, I saw |
| 17:16.36 | detrate_ | and now people are posting more news on lugot.org :roll: |
| 17:17.19 | patrickosullivan | yeah, I saw that the next meeting time was posted on there |
| 17:17.50 | detrate_ | looks like resistance to me |
| 17:18.36 | patrickosullivan | or maybe they're thinking that people would be more familiar with the .org domain and would think to check there first |
| 17:19.09 | detrate_ | www.http://www.google.com/search?q=lugot |
| 17:19.22 | patrickosullivan | yeah, I just did the same thing |
| 17:19.29 | patrickosullivan | that was pretty quick |
| 17:19.42 | detrate_ | could just as easily have signed up and asked me for permission to post news on .net |
| 17:21.10 | patrickosullivan | : / |
| 17:21.34 | goozbach | well, they are looking at it like a "these guys want to come in from the outside and take over" |
| 17:21.35 | detrate_ | any more responses to the mailing list? |
| 17:21.43 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.10 | detrate_ | I understand how they are looking at it but they can't be so contradictory if they want to progress |
| 17:22.25 | detrate_ | They want their way and to be in charge but they want someone else to do all the work |
| 17:22.44 | goozbach | yeah it's tough |
| 17:23.01 | detrate_ | I'm getting close to saying fuck it and splitting off to a different LUG |
| 17:23.08 | detrate_ | because I didn't come here to waste energy |
| 17:23.23 | goozbach | start a FSU based lug |
| 17:23.33 | detrate_ | That's what patrickosullivan and I were discussing |
| 17:23.36 | goozbach | I don't see anything wrong with that |
| 17:23.39 | detrate_ | though I'm not an FSU student |
| 17:23.46 | goozbach | ahh there's the rub |
| 17:24.04 | detrate_ | plus I feel like I can help the bigger community more over time |
| 17:24.10 | detrate_ | if given the chance |
| 17:24.20 | detrate_ | and the chance isn't, "here clean up this piece of shit website we used to run" |
| 17:24.32 | detrate_ | sorry that came off a little harsh |
| 17:25.00 | detrate_ | but I am a bit annoyed at how this is playing out and I don't want to lose interest. |
| 17:26.50 | detrate_ | the impersonal response to my questions on the mailing list, relaunch of an old application without upgrades, a statement or direction and followed by the further embrace of the outdated system by veterans puts the future of the group in a bad spot. |
| 17:28.14 | patrickosullivan | might really be time to consider splitting off |
| 17:28.24 | patrickosullivan | I don't think it matters that you're not an FSU student |
| 17:29.24 | detrate_ | Well my only concern there is the wave in students and I feel like I'd be able to help out more with a wider demographic. |
| 17:29.42 | patrickosullivan | yeah, probably true |
| 17:29.53 | patrickosullivan | the other idea would be to start a TLUG |
| 17:30.17 | detrate_ | yeah, I looked into that, the tlugs tlds are registered :-P |
| 17:30.21 | detrate_ | except maybe .info |
| 17:30.35 | detrate_ | yeah.info if available |
| 17:30.48 | detrate_ | .net/com/org are taken |
| 17:31.15 | patrickosullivan | tallylug.org? |
| 17:31.15 | goozbach | tallylug.com? |
| 17:31.17 | detrate_ | registering this totally cuts us off from the old group |
| 17:31.18 | goozbach | hah |
| 17:31.19 | patrickosullivan | ha |
| 17:31.33 | detrate_ | this would be us finalizing the burning of the bridge |
| 17:31.42 | detrate_ | I doubt they'd want anything to do with us after th is |
| 17:31.45 | goozbach | good point |
| 17:32.14 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.24 | patrickosullivan | we'd have to build a new membership from scratch |
| 17:32.43 | patrickosullivan | which, I guess, was the original plan |
| 17:33.10 | detrate_ | yeah |
| 17:33.11 | patrickosullivan | but it would be nice if we didn't have to do that. at the same time, it doesn't seem like we can build an effective LUG from where we are right now with this group |
| 17:33.21 | detrate_ | yes, unfortunately. |
| 17:35.39 | detrate_ | so tlug, tallylug? hwat? |
| 17:35.50 | detrate_ | sorry lagging, downloading at 2mb a sec :-P |
| 17:36.22 | patrickosullivan | I'm thinking we could refer to it as TLUG, but the domain may have to be tallylug.something |
| 17:36.43 | detrate_ | .info is only 3 bux :D |
| 17:36.50 | detrate_ | tlug.info that is |
| 17:37.16 | detrate_ | is .info still too weird of a tld? |
| 17:37.21 | patrickosullivan | I s'pose that's alright |
| 17:37.22 | patrickosullivan | yeah, ha |
| 17:37.29 | patrickosullivan | I just kind of wonder if people will remember it well enough |
| 17:37.36 | detrate_ | I've only used it for vhosts in the past :-P |
| 17:37.55 | detrate_ | had took-my.info registered for a while |
| 17:38.25 | patrickosullivan | I had a few neat domain names in my day |
| 17:38.33 | patrickosullivan | "impea.ch" |
| 17:38.41 | detrate_ | ha :) |
| 17:38.50 | detrate_ | I own beertitties.com |
| 17:39.12 | patrickosullivan | haha, a valuable domain |
| 17:39.15 | detrate_ | haywoodjablow.me was taken :( |
| 17:39.22 | patrickosullivan | hahaha |
| 17:39.31 | goozbach | harrybanana.com |
| 17:39.35 | goozbach | was mine for a long time |
| 17:39.40 | goozbach | as well as bigfatchubby.com |
| 17:39.43 | detrate_ | but I got http://kthxblow.me |
| 17:39.44 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:40.05 | detrate_ | I also have http://withlinux.org as I said before :-P |
| 17:40.50 | patrickosullivan | I like the logo for chicks.withlinux.org, ha |
| 17:41.01 | detrate_ | :-P |
| 17:41.18 | detrate_ | yeah, I need to recode that site, I just threw up something quick in a few hours |
| 17:41.25 | detrate_ | I need to build a backend for it too |
| 17:42.07 | detrate_ | #tlug is taken :-P |
| 17:42.12 | patrickosullivan | damn |
| 17:42.19 | detrate_ | http://tlug.dnho.net/ |
| 17:42.26 | patrickosullivan | where is Townsville? |
| 17:42.33 | patrickosullivan | most generic city ever |
| 17:42.34 | detrate_ | dunno |
| 17:43.12 | patrickosullivan | they're running drupal too. |
| 17:43.25 | goozbach | townsville is where the powerpuff girls live |
| 17:43.39 | patrickosullivan | I knew it sounded familiar! |
| 17:43.41 | detrate_ | goozbach is @ in #tallylug |
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