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| 17:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jonwil |
| 17:46.55 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 50m 3s ago, saying: 'should probably stop doing all this N900 work and clean up my pigsty of an apartment ready for a rent-inspection in just under 2 weeks :)'. |
| 17:47.14 | freemangordon_ | hmm |
| 17:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | offline |
| 17:48.01 | MohammadAG | fucking laptop |
| 17:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart MohammadAG |
| 17:48.10 | infobot | shoots MohammadAG in the head |
| 17:48.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I had to take someone to the doc |
| 17:48.25 | MohammadAG | and 2) my laptop wouldn't start |
| 17:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 17:48.35 | MohammadAG | the cooling fan doesn't spin, POST disables startup |
| 17:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | well now you are here :-D |
| 17:48.47 | MohammadAG | yeah, laptop met ground |
| 17:48.51 | MohammadAG | they got along and it started |
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| 17:49.15 | MohammadAG | You can start the meeting, I have something to do, just need 5 mins |
| 17:49.19 | MohammadAG | again, sorry |
| 17:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 17:49.51 | freemangordon_ | ok, do we take the decision to as jonwil about RE hildon VKB |
| 17:49.56 | freemangordon_ | ask* |
| 17:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | yea |
| 17:50.12 | RST38h | Mohammad: Got a question |
| 17:50.16 | sam23m | yes please |
| 17:50.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: When you were liberating that Skype support from the remote access N9, have you forgotten to copy over the Skype icon? |
| 17:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wrong chan |
| 17:51.11 | RST38h | Mohammad: Or have you actually copied it over, but some issue with Aegis is preventing it from install/show up |
| 17:51.22 | RST38h | Doc: I am not sure is Mohammad is on #harmattan |
| 17:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | please take it to #harmattan |
| 17:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | we got a 'meeting' here right now |
| 17:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | see /topic |
| 17:51.59 | RST38h | Sorry. |
| 17:52.03 | RST38h | Yeah |
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| 17:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | (52 min late XP ) |
| 17:52.53 | freemangordon_ | so, lets continue from where our last discussion stopped |
| 17:53.14 | freemangordon_ | next actions will be |
| 17:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: actually it's you who's not on #harmattan |
| 17:53.42 | freemangordon_ | 1. new CSSU update with fixes from gitorious ASAP |
| 17:53.44 | RST38h | I am |
| 17:53.50 | freemangordon_ | please |
| 17:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | YES |
| 17:54.21 | RST38h | freaking shit ... sorry^2 |
| 17:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI we were told by MohammadAG he's not going to publish it without those 1.3.1 "fixes" from Nokia |
| 17:54.50 | freemangordon_ | 2. wait a week or two or whatever period and branch that to stable |
| 17:55.04 | freemangordon_ | why is that? |
| 17:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 17:55.29 | merlin1991 | afaik 1.3.1 is out in the wild? |
| 17:55.49 | freemangordon_ | ok, then there could another "testing" with only Nokia update included |
| 17:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | anyway my suggestion been toi branch to stable immediately and backport those things |
| 17:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | as branching doesn'T mean publishing |
| 17:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: is src out in the wild? |
| 17:56.23 | freemangordon_ | based on which source code? |
| 17:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | branch? |
| 17:56.36 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 17:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | 16.8 |
| 17:56.45 | freemangordon_ | it has bugs |
| 17:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | as that's "stable" |
| 17:56.54 | freemangordon_ | no, it is not |
| 17:56.56 | merlin1991 | 16.8 isn't stable |
| 17:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, implement your fixes |
| 17:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | nothing is ever "stable" |
| 17:57.29 | freemangordon_ | yeah, but we have known bugs and fixes for them. |
| 17:57.31 | merlin1991 | well 16.8 - camera-ui - modest would be "stable" |
| 17:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | somebody (?) suggested to leave out nicocam |
| 17:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | and modest |
| 17:57.41 | merlin1991 | that was me |
| 17:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | I fully support this approach |
| 17:58.03 | freemangordon_ | ok, what is left then? |
| 17:58.24 | merlin1991 | gotta check something |
| 17:58.25 | MohammadAG | back |
| 17:58.29 | freemangordon_ | hi |
| 17:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 17:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: you can add your patches to testing, and then backport/merge to stable |
| 17:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI that'S the way git is used |
| 17:59.13 | freemangordon_ | agree |
| 17:59.38 | freemangordon_ | but then only Qt and diginotar fixes will be in stable |
| 17:59.48 | merlin1991 | yeah I went over the other packages we have and 16.8 - camera-ui and -modest is stable |
| 17:59.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was going to push an update without Nokia's fixes, but they're already out anyway |
| 17:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | plus *all* the other goodies |
| 17:59.55 | MohammadAG | 1.3.1 is out |
| 18:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | source? |
| 18:00.09 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, modest from git is stable afaik |
| 18:00.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no source for the applet |
| 18:00.16 | MohammadAG | it's closed |
| 18:00.25 | MohammadAG | we're copying the applet's binary |
| 18:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | aah, so you just pull it in to CSSU |
| 18:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
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| 18:00.38 | MohammadAG | yeah, it was suggest to just depend on it |
| 18:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:00.50 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: wer're trying to create an approach where we deem things stable if they've been stable in the testing branch |
| 18:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | no concerns about that here |
| 18:01.00 | merlin1991 | as in the realease of testing contains the code already |
| 18:01.11 | MohammadAG | but I refused since that can make issues |
| 18:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:01.25 | MohammadAG | so we asked to copy it over |
| 18:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless we can have a stable branch *now* that has none of the "untested" things |
| 18:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | merge those things later |
| 18:01.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: stable would include hildon-desktop, home.. too |
| 18:02.04 | freemangordon_ | if we assume they are stable |
| 18:02.15 | freemangordon_ | where is arcean? |
| 18:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd assume they are stable, yes |
| 18:02.20 | merlin1991 | 16.8 h-d is stable I'd say |
| 18:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 18:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | #agreed: 18.8 h-d is fit for stable |
| 18:02.46 | freemangordon_ | because hd has fixes on gitorious too AFAIK, let me check |
| 18:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | 16.8 |
| 18:02.52 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 18:03.56 | MohammadAG | Umm, can someone set up a quick minutes bot? |
| 18:04.02 | MohammadAG | like the #meego-meeting one |
| 18:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | definition: "stable" means: it's a valid replacement for a stock component that "fixes" things without introducing known new bugs that are as bad or worse than the originally fixed things |
| 18:04.37 | freemangordon_ | Blacklist: improved support for games. Fix for portrait wallpapers. Prevent hildon-desktop crash when snap_grid_size == 0. |
| 18:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | NFC about meet bot |
| 18:04.42 | freemangordon_ | is not in 16.8 |
| 18:05.04 | merlin1991 | MAG |
| 18:05.14 | merlin1991 | h-d on gitorious is out of sync |
| 18:05.15 | merlin1991 | WTF? |
| 18:05.19 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 18:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: is any of that a regression from stock? |
| 18:05.33 | freemangordon_ | seems so |
| 18:05.33 | merlin1991 | changelog there is still @ 1:2.2.142-15 |
| 18:05.38 | merlin1991 | isn't 16.8 -16? |
| 18:05.47 | MohammadAG | not sure, /me checks |
| 18:06.18 | merlin1991 | I knew I should cross checked sources when doing the latest changelog fix :D |
| 18:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: I think at least snap=0 segfault is a genuine Nokia bug, WONTFIX |
| 18:06.36 | merlin1991 | hildon-desktop (>= 1:2.2.142-16) |
| 18:06.43 | merlin1991 | from mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 18:06.50 | merlin1991 | so you h-d gitorious is out of sync |
| 18:07.02 | merlin1991 | s/you/yes/ |
| 18:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, again: branching is not a *snapshot* |
| 18:07.52 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, updating, yes it's out of sync |
| 18:08.05 | MohammadAG | done |
| 18:08.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I think that was fixed |
| 18:08.18 | freemangordon_ | hmm |
| 18:08.43 | merlin1991 | so yeah h-d on gitorious is h-d in current testing |
| 18:08.45 | freemangordon_ | i still prefer another testing on which to base first stable |
| 18:08.46 | merlin1991 | no new fixes there |
| 18:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: ?? |
| 18:09.10 | MohammadAG | Ok, so right now everything besides camera-ui is stable |
| 18:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: please elaborate |
| 18:09.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he means we should push a new update then branch |
| 18:09.26 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: another testing would bring in camerea-ui and modest but we could include them with stable release2 too |
| 18:09.29 | freemangordon_ | to release another testing tobay or tomorrow |
| 18:09.31 | MohammadAG | And I kind of agree on that |
| 18:09.33 | freemangordon_ | *today |
| 18:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | insane |
| 18:09.38 | DataGhost | something else: judging by the gconf structure for the hildon-desktop/applets, wouldn't it be fairly easy to implement a view_portrait property so one can choose to have different widgets on the screen (view X if you will) depending on the orientation and if so, is such a feature planned for hildon-desktop some time in the near future? |
| 18:09.42 | MohammadAG | since the current release is 99% stable |
| 18:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:10.04 | MohammadAG | DataGhost, the applets can already detect that |
| 18:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | so we should branch *NOW* |
| 18:10.08 | freemangordon_ | to wait a week or two and then branch to stabe |
| 18:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | and not add new bits to testing |
| 18:10.27 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: branching later might be more convenient, but we'd also put pressure on the team |
| 18:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | prior to branching stable |
| 18:10.35 | DataGhost | MohammadAG how does that work? I mean that I have applet x in landscape and applet y in portrait, is that the same you're referring to? |
| 18:10.45 | DataGhost | would like to have* |
| 18:10.55 | merlin1991 | branching now would create a transistion period but would easy the workflow |
| 18:10.59 | MohammadAG | DataGhost, they can detect _size_changed |
| 18:11.26 | DataGhost | MohammadAG yes but it'll still be the same widget/applet, right? |
| 18:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | branchin is NOT a snapshot, it's not the golden master |
| 18:11.48 | freemangordon_ | ok, lets count what will be in stable if we branch now |
| 18:11.58 | freemangordon_ | hd, hildon-home |
| 18:12.02 | merlin1991 | qt |
| 18:12.07 | merlin1991 | vte fixes |
| 18:12.34 | freemangordon_ | qt in 16.8 causes vlc-remote to segfault |
| 18:12.37 | MohammadAG | DataGhost, yes, maintainer needs to update the source |
| 18:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | all minus (nicocam diginotar ???) |
| 18:12.42 | MohammadAG | freemangordon_, didn't you fix that |
| 18:12.51 | freemangordon_ | only on gitorious |
| 18:12.57 | freemangordon_ | it is not in the wild |
| 18:12.59 | MohammadAG | no, diginotar will be pulled |
| 18:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah, yes |
| 18:13.28 | freemangordon_ | and minus modest |
| 18:13.29 | MohammadAG | actually we're on the same version as Nokia's |
| 18:13.43 | MohammadAG | so we can either depend on Nokia's or ours |
| 18:13.44 | DataGhost | MohammadAG ok but that's not really what I mean, I want to have i.e. a data counter in portrait and a clock (so no data counter) in landscape |
| 18:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: that (modest) was my ??? |
| 18:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | forgot |
| 18:14.02 | MohammadAG | but the maintainer has emailed me |
| 18:14.21 | MohammadAG | Certificates will be updated alongside mozilla's |
| 18:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | DataGhost: can we discuss this later please |
| 18:14.43 | freemangordon_ | ^^^ |
| 18:15.02 | MohammadAG | DataGhost, file a bug under enhancements - hildon-desktop |
| 18:15.14 | DataGhost | ok |
| 18:15.17 | freemangordon_ | hildon-application-manager stabe? |
| 18:15.21 | freemangordon_ | stable? |
| 18:15.24 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 18:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:15.29 | merlin1991 | no changes since a few veresions |
| 18:15.47 | merlin1991 | even though DocScrutinizer dislikes that it's portrait enabled ;) |
| 18:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | still fucks up in portrait I think, but I don't care as that'S no *regression* |
| 18:16.16 | freemangordon_ | I am sure it likes it since his bug was shot dead :p |
| 18:16.20 | freemangordon_ | he* |
| 18:16.44 | freemangordon_ | next is status-area-orientationlock-applet |
| 18:16.52 | merlin1991 | what was the fucked up thing in portrait? |
| 18:16.59 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: that actually is a point of discussion |
| 18:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: details iirc |
| 18:17.08 | merlin1991 | a few people have said to make this opt-in |
| 18:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | yes! |
| 18:17.23 | merlin1991 | and I actually understand that |
| 18:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | not a blocker for stable |
| 18:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | a todo for testing |
| 18:18.00 | merlin1991 | h-d does not need it, but people might need it, so stable yes, but opt-in I'd say |
| 18:18.13 | freemangordon_ | TBH there should be CSSU supported configuration application |
| 18:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | opt-in *only* if that's a no-brainer |
| 18:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | for stable |
| 18:18.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: opt-in is a no-brainer as in don't depend on it point |
| 18:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:18.46 | merlin1991 | the whole applet is self containing so it can be installed from ham if wanted |
| 18:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 18:18.59 | freemangordon_ | how whould that be implemented? |
| 18:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | very nice |
| 18:19.14 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:19.27 | merlin1991 | we'd need to adjust teh section I think |
| 18:19.29 | freemangordon_ | scratch my last question |
| 18:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | scratches |
| 18:19.51 | freemangordon_ | 10x |
| 18:20.00 | freemangordon_ | osso-xterm |
| 18:20.03 | merlin1991 | stable |
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| 18:20.07 | freemangordon_ | seems stable |
| 18:20.07 | MohammadAG | be back in 10 mins |
| 18:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | WFM |
| 18:20.08 | merlin1991 | it's the vte fix afaik |
| 18:20.13 | merlin1991 | wfm? |
| 18:20.17 | freemangordon_ | it is another package |
| 18:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~wfm |
| 18:20.18 | infobot | well, wfm is (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me |
| 18:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | WTF |
| 18:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | WorksForMe |
| 18:20.31 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:20.59 | freemangordon_ | next |
| 18:21.00 | freemangordon_ | osso-pdf-viewer |
| 18:21.03 | merlin1991 | stable |
| 18:21.04 | freemangordon_ | stable AFAIK |
| 18:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | vte fix is ultrastable and ultra-welcome |
| 18:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | never tested |
| 18:21.24 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: are you by any chance writing this down too? :D |
| 18:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | (pdf) |
| 18:21.31 | freemangordon_ | sure ;) |
| 18:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | we got chanlog |
| 18:21.47 | freemangordon_ | next is maemo-statusmenu-fmtx |
| 18:21.48 | merlin1991 | pdf had issues but the latest one is stable now |
| 18:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 18:21.49 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo%2dssu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 18:22.01 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 18:22.19 | merlin1991 | stable |
| 18:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: no issues |
| 18:22.27 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: logs != nice and already done list ; |
| 18:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 18:22.45 | freemangordon_ | and now becomes qt |
| 18:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 18:23.00 | merlin1991 | you say it segfaults something? |
| 18:23.08 | merlin1991 | we need qt though |
| 18:23.15 | merlin1991 | otherwise we can't do h-d |
| 18:23.19 | freemangordon_ | why? |
| 18:23.23 | freemangordon_ | its is gtk |
| 18:23.33 | freemangordon_ | ahaa |
| 18:23.35 | merlin1991 | portrait launching of apps |
| 18:23.35 | freemangordon_ | yeah |
| 18:23.39 | merlin1991 | qt bug fixed in cssu qt |
| 18:23.49 | freemangordon_ | and several other issues |
| 18:23.57 | freemangordon_ | ok, no option then |
| 18:24.14 | merlin1991 | the only thing is, that segfault you wrote about, what was the fix? |
| 18:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: I'm using 16.8 (and some 2 predecessor revs) on my daily phone and see no issues on my daily needs with it |
| 18:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | I fixed it to gui-may-rotate=no or whatever though |
| 18:25.11 | freemangordon_ | it is bundled in diginotar patch |
| 18:25.38 | merlin1991 | mind to give a gitorious link? |
| 18:26.36 | freemangordon_ | https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/e0bb7881798b99fb6870a4f3371e7d6948de29e3 |
| 18:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so we get a T-17.0 with freemangordon_ 's fixes to modest (et al) plus diginotar today? |
| 18:27.51 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I'd say qt is in use and stable enough for now, put pulling those fixes will be a priority |
| 18:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: could you repeat what were those "tested" (as by 5+ users say WFM) patches of you that need merging? |
| 18:28.22 | freemangordon_ | modest and tinymail |
| 18:28.29 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo everything after mmitted 4d0a3b4c on September 07, |
| 18:28.32 | freemangordon_ | need gitorious links? |
| 18:28.43 | merlin1991 | ah sry /me was thinking qt |
| 18:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so branch stable before(?) these, and kick out modest/tiny ? |
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| 18:29.18 | freemangordon_ | you said so |
| 18:29.27 | merlin1991 | branch before + kick was the general opinion so far |
| 18:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:29.52 | merlin1991 | assuming freemangordon_ goes by the gitorious page we'll get to that though |
| 18:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | then also today mege freemangordon_ to T and build T-17 |
| 18:30.02 | merlin1991 | lets not fuck up his system :D |
| 18:30.10 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 18:30.25 | freemangordon_ | next is osso-calculator |
| 18:30.30 | merlin1991 | stable |
| 18:30.34 | freemangordon_ | seems stale and is not a critical |
| 18:30.38 | freemangordon_ | part |
| 18:30.43 | merlin1991 | has bin in 16.8 and works as expected |
| 18:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | so we got a S-16.8 w/o modest/nicocam, and a T-17-all-fresh |
| 18:30.53 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: so far yes |
| 18:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | fine, hope MohammadAG has no concerns |
| 18:31.33 | freemangordon_ | does anyone know what that freetype is? |
| 18:31.40 | merlin1991 | font rendering |
| 18:31.48 | freemangordon_ | and is it in testing at all |
| 18:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 18:31.54 | merlin1991 | some mapping application had a problem with it |
| 18:31.59 | merlin1991 | checks |
| 18:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | bbiam |
| 18:33.11 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: heasn't seen testing so far |
| 18:33.19 | freemangordon_ | ok, enough |
| 18:33.24 | freemangordon_ | next is libhildonfm |
| 18:33.28 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 18:33.36 | merlin1991 | what is that? |
| 18:33.48 | freemangordon_ | hildon file manager library |
| 18:34.03 | arcean | morning ;) |
| 18:34.12 | merlin1991 | according to gitorious it has no cssu version so far |
| 18:34.23 | freemangordon_ | there was some portrait mode fix AFAIK |
| 18:34.29 | freemangordon_ | hi arcean |
| 18:34.32 | merlin1991 | I'm checking |
| 18:34.33 | freemangordon_ | not in wild? |
| 18:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 18:34.39 | arcean | hi freemangordon_ |
| 18:34.49 | arcean | libhildonfm is stable |
| 18:34.59 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: libhildonfm on gitorious is out of sync |
| 18:35.05 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I'd say stable |
| 18:35.05 | freemangordon_ | and it is included in CSSU 16.8? |
| 18:35.11 | merlin1991 | I didn't even notice it is there |
| 18:35.14 | arcean | yes |
| 18:35.18 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:35.21 | merlin1991 | yes it's included but gitorious is out of sync |
| 18:35.42 | freemangordon_ | where is MohammadAG? |
| 18:35.48 | DocScrutinizer | who's in duty of syncing such stuff? |
| 18:36.00 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: mag for -testing |
| 18:36.01 | amiconn | did not have any problems with cssu modest fwiw |
| 18:36.33 | freemangordon_ | next is gst-plugins-bad |
| 18:36.48 | freemangordon_ | nikolai fixed some GPS precision stuff |
| 18:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | raletd? |
| 18:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | related? |
| 18:37.12 | freemangordon_ | not tested with stock camera |
| 18:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | gst vs GPS |
| 18:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | AAAH |
| 18:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 18:37.33 | freemangordon_ | picture coordinates precision |
| 18:37.48 | merlin1991 | camera gst stubsystem I guess |
| 18:37.51 | merlin1991 | seems to be stable |
| 18:37.52 | freemangordon_ | yes |
| 18:38.00 | freemangordon_ | but with nikocam |
| 18:38.10 | freemangordon_ | never tested with stock |
| 18:38.15 | freemangordon_ | AFAIK |
| 18:38.20 | merlin1991 | lemme test it |
| 18:38.31 | freemangordon_ | that would be enough? |
| 18:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | make a note, test it later ;-) |
| 18:38.54 | freemangordon_ | lets not put that in stable for now |
| 18:38.58 | merlin1991 | true |
| 18:39.02 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'd say risjk is low as the new gst should be designed to be compatible, as should nicocam |
| 18:39.06 | merlin1991 | we're not taking cam so cam doesn't depend on it |
| 18:39.15 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 18:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 18:39.23 | merlin1991 | we can evaluate that for next stable together with cam |
| 18:39.25 | freemangordon_ | next |
| 18:39.27 | freemangordon_ | gtk |
| 18:39.32 | merlin1991 | needed afaik |
| 18:39.38 | merlin1991 | also stable |
| 18:39.44 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 18:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | stable |
| 18:40.16 | freemangordon_ | qtquickcompat dummy package, needed by qt |
| 18:40.42 | freemangordon_ | next is gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend |
| 18:41.01 | merlin1991 | qtquickcompat too |
| 18:41.08 | merlin1991 | needed to get included |
| 18:41.18 | merlin1991 | otherwise qt will break |
| 18:41.21 | freemangordon_ | there is a fix for leafpad trying to issue FAT IOCTL on device drivers :D |
| 18:41.42 | freemangordon_ | seems stable |
| 18:41.50 | arcean | yep, stable so far |
| 18:42.04 | merlin1991 | is it already in testing? |
| 18:42.08 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 18:42.17 | merlin1991 | stable so far then |
| 18:42.36 | freemangordon_ | there was an issue reported by an user |
| 18:43.02 | freemangordon_ | that FAT hidden folders are visible in file manager |
| 18:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | showstopper |
| 18:43.16 | freemangordon_ | but I don't think that as a blocker |
| 18:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:43.22 | merlin1991 | is that new? or is that in stock too? |
| 18:43.26 | freemangordon_ | new |
| 18:43.32 | freemangordon_ | but no bug raised |
| 18:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | still funny |
| 18:43.53 | merlin1991 | well we'll look into it, but defenitely nothing abotu stable/unstable |
| 18:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's not a bug, that'S a feature ;-D |
| 18:43.59 | merlin1991 | that's more a cosmetic thing :P |
| 18:44.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hopefully |
| 18:44.07 | freemangordon_ | seems he is the only one who puts porn on hidden EMMC folders :D |
| 18:44.08 | MohammadAG | now comes the fun part |
| 18:44.14 | MohammadAG | my laptop fan is far from stable |
| 18:44.25 | MohammadAG | I did a stress test and it immediately turned off |
| 18:44.44 | arcean | is it overheating? :P |
| 18:44.49 | MohammadAG | so I would greatly appreciate it if someone compiles and uploads binaries |
| 18:44.50 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: libhildonfm on gitorious is out of sync, and FU YOU laptop, keep beeing stable |
| 18:44.55 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I can do that |
| 18:44.56 | MohammadAG | arcean, yes, no fan does that |
| 18:45.08 | arcean | hehe |
| 18:45.17 | freemangordon_ | you can try to blow hard against it |
| 18:45.23 | MohammadAG | freemangordon_, that's how I start it |
| 18:45.24 | freemangordon_ | noping the dust will fall |
| 18:45.32 | arcean | yea, cleaning should do the job |
| 18:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | vacuum cleaner ;-P |
| 18:45.38 | MohammadAG | it thinks the fan's spinning |
| 18:45.41 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I've got a clean scratchbox to start from here so I could do the compiling for you |
| 18:45.44 | freemangordon_ | not hard enough if it is not stable |
| 18:45.44 | MohammadAG | I disassembled 19 screws |
| 18:45.47 | MohammadAG | couldn't open it |
| 18:45.55 | MohammadAG | so I screwed them back, there's an extra screw |
| 18:45.56 | freemangordon_ | remove the keyboard first |
| 18:46.09 | MohammadAG | oh, I have to do that? |
| 18:46.09 | freemangordon_ | there are screws on the top |
| 18:46.22 | freemangordon_ | anway |
| 18:46.26 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:46.27 | freemangordon_ | anyway |
| 18:46.37 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, ok :) |
| 18:46.46 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: libhildonfm sync plase |
| 18:46.52 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, doing that |
| 18:46.53 | freemangordon_ | ^^^ |
| 18:46.56 | MohammadAG | done |
| 18:46.56 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:46.58 | merlin1991 | thx |
| 18:47.01 | freemangordon_ | next is qt-mobility |
| 18:47.07 | merlin1991 | empty so far |
| 18:47.11 | MohammadAG | new Qt needs a recompilation of it |
| 18:47.11 | freemangordon_ | MohammadAG do we need that? |
| 18:47.19 | freemangordon_ | are you sure? |
| 18:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 18:47.36 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 18:47.44 | MohammadAG | that's why we pushed Qt Mobility |
| 18:47.46 | *** join/#maemo-ssu nox- (noident@freebsd/developer/nox) |
| 18:47.47 | MohammadAG | there are no fixes |
| 18:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | qtmob needs a nuke to where no sun shines |
| 18:47.53 | MohammadAG | so it's nokia stock recompiled |
| 18:48.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, true, but that's not our problem :p |
| 18:48.04 | freemangordon_ | and it is on the field? |
| 18:48.30 | MohammadAG | yes, ever since we pushed Qt 4.7.4 |
| 18:48.42 | freemangordon_ | mp-...-community-pr depends on that? |
| 18:48.44 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:48.49 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 18:48.56 | freemangordon_ | forgive the old man |
| 18:48.59 | merlin1991 | :) |
| 18:48.59 | freemangordon_ | :D |
| 18:49.04 | merlin1991 | so "stable" |
| 18:49.13 | freemangordon_ | apt? |
| 18:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | there's been that idiotic black-on-black or whatever issue (among others) - is that fixed? |
| 18:49.16 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 18:49.31 | merlin1991 | apt is stable |
| 18:49.37 | freemangordon_ | doc, don't ask that , please |
| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | in qt4.7.4 on highlighted text |
| 18:49.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, that was fixed |
| 18:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:49.56 | MohammadAG | it was a compilation flag apparently |
| 18:50.06 | merlin1991 | optimization flags killed the raster engine |
| 18:50.16 | merlin1991 | that was together with all the other funky rendering bugs |
| 18:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeek |
| 18:50.42 | freemangordon_ | next |
| 18:50.45 | freemangordon_ | maemo-security-certman |
| 18:50.49 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 18:50.51 | MohammadAG | From PR1.3.1 |
| 18:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* again |
| 18:51.02 | freemangordon_ | it is already in CSSU |
| 18:51.08 | MohammadAG | that too |
| 18:51.15 | freemangordon_ | how? |
| 18:51.41 | freemangordon_ | we are talking about stable |
| 18:52.17 | merlin1991 | from gitorious there is no fix on it we could simply depend on the one from 1.3.1 |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | so let's do that? |
| 18:52.43 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 18:52.46 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: at least the fixed version hasn't even seen testing |
| 18:53.25 | freemangordon_ | because on PR 1.3.1 there was a big bold red label saying "CSSU users, do not update" |
| 18:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 18:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | and somebody claimed he had problems with installing CSSU from PR1.3.1 |
| 18:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | some days ago |
| 18:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | maybe PEBCAK |
| 18:54.37 | freemangordon_ | MohammadAG ^^^ |
| 18:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | EOVERTEMP |
| 18:55.02 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart MohammadAG's hardware |
| 18:55.10 | infobot | teaches MohammadAG's hardware the basics, including how to RTM |
| 18:55.20 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
| 18:56.06 | merlin1991 | well untill MohammadAG is back I've got another input |
| 18:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | Is that just me or is it actually a bit scary and weird that whole maemo community depends on moh's laptop fan? |
| 18:56.40 | merlin1991 | whatabout the mainting of the stable branch, shove it onto MohammadAGs shoulders or get someone else todo it? |
| 18:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | see above |
| 18:57.01 | merlin1991 | I think he has enough todo with all the stuff in -testing |
| 18:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:57.17 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991, AIUI you wanted to maintain that |
| 18:57.24 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a trolling noob so obviously merlin1991 has to do it |
| 18:58.00 | freemangordon_ | agree |
| 18:58.24 | merlin1991 | I'm offering todo that, but not based on trolling noob statements, or if someone else better skilled offers todo it :) |
| 18:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | just saying I lack the competence |
| 18:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | so nobody but you left over |
| 18:59.15 | freemangordon_ | :D |
| 18:59.18 | freemangordon_ | agree |
| 18:59.33 | arcean | so, everybody votes for merlin1991 :D |
| 18:59.38 | merlin1991 | hm we need to get X-Fade in here |
| 18:59.47 | freemangordon_ | sure |
| 19:00.49 | freemangordon_ | ok, so far the list, please double check if it is in/complete |
| 19:00.52 | freemangordon_ | hd hildon-home HAM status-area-orientationlock-applet osso-xterm osso-pdf-viewer maemo-statusmenu-fmtx qt osso-calculator libhildonfm gtk qtquickcompat gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend qt-mobility apt maemo-security-certman |
| 19:01.01 | freemangordon_ | oops |
| 19:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | no pkg oops found in cssu-testing |
| 19:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 19:01.49 | nox- | moin |
| 19:01.49 | arcean | what about hildon-status-menu? |
| 19:01.49 | freemangordon_ | with the note that mp-fremantle-...-pr should not depend on status-area-orientationlock-applet |
| 19:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: \o/ :) |
| 19:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: you're late for the fun |
| 19:02.19 | merlin1991 | arcean: yeah that is missing on the list .) |
| 19:02.21 | nox- | do i see that right the pr1.3.1 update the autoupdating offers doesnt touch the kernel? |
| 19:02.21 | freemangordon_ | arcean thanks |
| 19:02.29 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, which fun? :) |
| 19:02.32 | arcean | ahh, ok :) |
| 19:02.41 | freemangordon_ | hildon-status-menu too |
| 19:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | cssu-stable meeting |
| 19:02.47 | nox- | oh |
| 19:02.56 | nox- | still on pr 1.3... |
| 19:02.58 | freemangordon_ | THE list, again |
| 19:03.00 | freemangordon_ | hd hildon-home HAM status-area-orientationlock-applet osso-xterm osso-pdf-viewer maemo-statusmenu-fmtx qt osso-calculator libhildonfm gtk qtquickcompat gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend qt-mobility apt maemo-security-certman hildon-status-menu |
| 19:03.16 | freemangordon_ | doc, oops is on kernel repo :p |
| 19:03.22 | nox- | thats the updated packages in 1.3.1? |
| 19:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: lol, right |
| 19:03.57 | merlin1991 | nox-: that's the list of packages we consider for a "stable" branch |
| 19:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: we're in a meeting about cssu-stable |
| 19:04.03 | merlin1991 | branching from current cssu |
| 19:04.06 | nox- | ah ok |
| 19:04.16 | nox- | cool |
| 19:04.28 | merlin1991 | general concensus is to create a stable and push the new stuff on gitorious to -testing |
| 19:04.31 | freemangordon_ | guys, hildon-control-panel |
| 19:04.41 | arcean | hmm, hildon-control-panel and FOSS applets are considered as unstable? |
| 19:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | in that sequene |
| 19:05.01 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: checking |
| 19:05.07 | freemangordon_ | arcean why is that? |
| 19:05.20 | nox- | ah my q was ECHAN... sorry :) |
| 19:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | HCP occasionally acts up on me, no idea if that's CSSU related or a regression |
| 19:05.33 | merlin1991 | hildon-control-panel is stabel |
| 19:05.41 | freemangordon_ | agree |
| 19:05.43 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 19:05.48 | arcean | freemangordon_: because they are not on your list ;) |
| 19:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | by any metrics of stable |
| 19:06.00 | freemangordon_ | then add the |
| 19:06.03 | freemangordon_ | them* |
| 19:06.05 | freemangordon_ | ;P |
| 19:06.10 | arcean | :D |
| 19:06.25 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: any changes to cp on cssu are portrait mode and taking screenshots more often |
| 19:06.38 | freemangordon_ | the list is still not complete, i just went through critical system parts |
| 19:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | as I never use portrait, I can't comment |
| 19:06.55 | arcean | += libcpaboutcssu osso-applet-display osso-applet-notificationlight hildon-control-panel |
| 19:07.01 | merlin1991 | portrait works |
| 19:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | libcpaboutcssu stable |
| 19:07.17 | merlin1991 | libcaboutcssu ofc stable and needed :D |
| 19:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:07.38 | freemangordon_ | arcean what is osso-applet-notificationlight |
| 19:07.40 | freemangordon_ | ? |
| 19:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 19:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | beat me |
| 19:07.55 | arcean | the notification applet |
| 19:08.13 | arcean | where you can configure LED behaviour |
| 19:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaaaah |
| 19:08.25 | freemangordon_ | aaaah |
| 19:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | just the settings plugin? |
| 19:08.31 | freemangordon_ | ok, stable |
| 19:08.37 | merlin1991 | osso applet display is stable |
| 19:08.39 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 19:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | stable |
| 19:08.45 | freemangordon_ | stable |
| 19:09.06 | merlin1991 | both applets stable |
| 19:09.29 | freemangordon_ | is status-menu-applet-profiles in a wild? |
| 19:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | hildon control panel sucks donkey balls, but I don't mind |
| 19:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's an add on anyway |
| 19:10.06 | merlin1991 | don't think it is, but chacking |
| 19:10.17 | merlin1991 | nah isn't |
| 19:10.36 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 19:11.08 | freemangordon_ | the latest revision |
| 19:11.09 | freemangordon_ | hd hildon-home HAM status-area-orientationlock-applet osso-xterm osso-pdf-viewer maemo-statusmenu-fmtx qt osso-calculator libhildonfm gtk qtquickcompat gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend qt-mobility apt maemo-security-certman hildon-status-menu hildon-control-panel libcpaboutcssu osso-applet-display osso-applet-notificationlight |
| 19:11.48 | freemangordon_ | BTW i didn't get what mag said about maemo-security-certman |
| 19:12.12 | arcean | it's currently included in cssu |
| 19:12.19 | arcean | s/in/into |
| 19:12.25 | freemangordon_ | because if we depend on Nokia's fixes, then the list is incomplete |
| 19:12.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | fuck my kbd died |
| 19:12.34 | merlin1991 | lmao |
| 19:12.40 | merlin1991 | todays the day of hardware fails |
| 19:12.41 | freemangordon_ | keep your fan man |
| 19:12.52 | freemangordon_ | :p |
| 19:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | (if hildon control pannel is the settings thing for CSSU details etc - if not scratch my comm |
| 19:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | (if hildon control pannel is the settings thing for CSSU details etc - if not scratch my comm |
| 19:13.48 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: hildon-control-panel is the whole thing you get when you open "settings" in the launcher |
| 19:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 19:14.00 | freemangordon_ | yeah, the "settings" thing |
| 19:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | now at leastv a fsckdup usb kbd plugged in |
| 19:14.56 | *** join/#maemo-ssu abufaisal (~abufaisal@90.148.127.160) |
| 19:15.04 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991 seems the list is almost full, keep it on a safe place |
| 19:15.24 | freemangordon_ | it is missing nokia's packages |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | oh dammit, I need zto boot my PC |
| 19:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | not now though |
| 19:15.41 | freemangordon_ | wondoze? |
| 19:15.47 | freemangordon_ | windoze? |
| 19:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | here? |
| 19:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 19:16.00 | freemangordon_ | just asking? |
| 19:16.17 | merlin1991 | another thing to think about |
| 19:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | linux laptop, kbd MC locked up |
| 19:16.26 | merlin1991 | how do we name the stable realeases? |
| 19:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | happens once every 10 months |
| 19:16.47 | merlin1991 | current testing is 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8 |
| 19:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | (last time it happened I hot-replugged the kbd) |
| 19:17.30 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, requesting input |
| 19:17.31 | *** join/#maemo-ssu samm23 (~user@112.201.178.9) |
| 19:17.32 | merlin1991 | aka PR 1.3.3.7-10.8 |
| 19:17.37 | MohammadAG | had to cool the mofo |
| 19:18.24 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: we were thinking about getting someone else but you for the stable branch so the work is splitted |
| 19:18.32 | freemangordon_ | CPR? |
| 19:18.40 | freemangordon_ | and start from 1.0 |
| 19:18.48 | merlin1991 | as in the one who compiles and uploads |
| 19:18.50 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, good idea tbh |
| 19:19.10 | MohammadAG | FYI |
| 19:19.17 | MohammadAG | next update will not be 20.2010... |
| 19:19.20 | merlin1991 | so we'd just need X-Fade then |
| 19:19.28 | MohammadAG | we'll go back to what PR1.3.1 is |
| 19:19.32 | MohammadAG | suppose it's 3 |
| 19:19.34 | freemangordon_ | what do you think about CPR 1.0 as in community PR |
| 19:19.43 | MohammadAG | 3.2011.whatever-2maemo1 |
| 19:20.00 | MohammadAG | As in version 1 of CSSU from PR1.3.1 |
| 19:20.08 | merlin1991 | that's for testing |
| 19:20.10 | merlin1991 | but for stable? |
| 19:20.14 | MohammadAG | same? |
| 19:20.21 | MohammadAG | version 1 |
| 19:20.22 | freemangordon_ | why? |
| 19:20.27 | merlin1991 | how do you distinguish on the device from stable to testing? |
| 19:20.32 | merlin1991 | only by the current sources.list? |
| 19:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | yeha please keep at least stable and T in sync with naming |
| 19:20.51 | freemangordon_ | doc why? |
| 19:21.00 | freemangordon_ | those are different branches |
| 19:21.02 | MohammadAG | here's what we have on git |
| 19:21.03 | MohammadAG | which is part of the internal build version |
| 19:21.03 | MohammadAG | 20.2010.36-2maemo15 |
| 19:21.03 | MohammadAG | (Note: 20.2010.36-2 is the latest official Nokia version. |
| 19:21.03 | MohammadAG | The number after it indicates the Community SSU release version.) |
| 19:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | as you want speaking versions |
| 19:21.21 | MohammadAG | latest Nokia version is up |
| 19:21.34 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I'd suggest the same naming scheme but somewhere a hint that it's the stable release |
| 19:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | sure, a fat uppercase S for Stable |
| 19:22.00 | freemangordon_ | 20.2010.41-3maemo1-stable? |
| 19:22.15 | freemangordon_ | or that won't work with apt |
| 19:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 19:22.29 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: testing -> stable is a reflash anyway |
| 19:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG it is? |
| 19:23.05 | freemangordon_ | hope not |
| 19:23.13 | merlin1991 | well either that or it's maintainer hell |
| 19:23.13 | freemangordon_ | aaah |
| 19:23.41 | merlin1991 | we'd have to depend on exact versions each release |
| 19:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | can't it just be an "update"? |
| 19:24.00 | freemangordon_ | ang developers hell, as we wouldn't know which exactly SW is on the device |
| 19:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* |
| 19:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid you're right |
| 19:24.34 | freemangordon_ | no, flash is needed. anyway i think most of those using testing will stay with it |
| 19:24.38 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: current mp-fremantle-community-pr always depends on each package >= the vereison at realese day |
| 19:25.06 | merlin1991 | so a testing-> stable move would keep most testing packages since their versions are highger |
| 19:25.42 | freemangordon_ | and both should conflict |
| 19:25.52 | merlin1991 | also I mean testing->stable in the future |
| 19:26.07 | merlin1991 | from current testing to new stable should be a clean transistion |
| 19:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Limiting_the_damage |
| 19:26.32 | freemangordon_ | don't think so, modest and camera-ui are already installed |
| 19:26.41 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: with exceptions :) |
| 19:27.10 | freemangordon_ | which will lead to a complete mess |
| 19:27.23 | merlin1991 | but I can't think of a way to transparently move to stable |
| 19:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 19:27.30 | freemangordon_ | reflash |
| 19:27.48 | merlin1991 | it's go from nokia pr or be doomed I fear |
| 19:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:28.15 | freemangordon_ | yup |
| 19:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | a pita but meh |
| 19:28.31 | freemangordon_ | sad but true |
| 19:28.33 | freemangordon_ | :D |
| 19:28.40 | merlin1991 | If you know all the packages you can do it by hand, but everyone outside our small group will have a hard time doing that |
| 19:28.48 | freemangordon_ | did we decide on the name? |
| 19:28.52 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 19:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | name? |
| 19:29.11 | merlin1991 | of stable pr |
| 19:29.12 | freemangordon_ | TBH i really don't care |
| 19:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | sucking snail or what? |
| 19:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | easily pronouncable as f*cking fail XP |
| 19:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, what name? |
| 19:30.31 | merlin1991 | well we are going to incorporate pr 1.3.1 in some way so it's going to be x.2011.xmaemo1 anyway |
| 19:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | we got a name anywhere, ecxept CSSU? |
| 19:30.40 | merlin1991 | err maemo0 |
| 19:30.54 | merlin1991 | just the question where to put the S for stable |
| 19:30.56 | freemangordon_ | guys, yes |
| 19:31.02 | freemangordon_ | oops |
| 19:31.08 | freemangordon_ | yes, we have it |
| 19:31.21 | freemangordon_ | current is 20.2010.36-2maemo16 |
| 19:31.32 | merlin1991 | wich is pr.13+cssusuffix |
| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:31.51 | merlin1991 | so accordingly the new one will be pr131+cssusuffix |
| 19:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:32.01 | freemangordon_ | +stable |
| 19:32.09 | freemangordon_ | somewhere |
| 19:32.15 | merlin1991 | do we just append stable at the end for the stable branch? |
| 19:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | and stable will be pr131 + S + cssu-suffix |
| 19:32.35 | freemangordon_ | not sure deb system will swallow that |
| 19:32.54 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: apt has some command to check versions against each other |
| 19:32.58 | merlin1991 | looks it up |
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| 19:34.14 | freemangordon_ | anyway, i am leaving, please someone(merlin1991?) post the end result on TMO. bb |
| 19:34.25 | merlin1991 | bb |
| 19:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | tries some positions of fsckng USB kbd on top of fsckdup laptop kbd |
| 19:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | we're calling it a day? |
| 19:35.10 | merlin1991 | nah |
| 19:35.21 | merlin1991 | we're rolling |
| 19:35.26 | merlin1991 | just need MohammadAG back |
| 19:35.35 | MohammadAG | I am back |
| 19:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | roll roll roll your boat... |
| 19:35.43 | MohammadAG | that's row |
| 19:35.45 | merlin1991 | and anyone else to have input too so it's a community decision :D |
| 19:35.47 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 19:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 19:36.01 | Lava_Croft | i approve of this discussion |
| 19:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | cool :-D |
| 19:37.05 | merlin1991 | there it is dpkg --compare-versions |
| 19:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | who's branching S, who's merging fmg's patches to T and building T17? Whan? |
| 19:39.28 | merlin1991 | holds hand up for branching S |
| 19:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're planning to do the T17 some day of this weekend? |
| 19:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | EOVERHEAT again? |
| 19:41.45 | merlin1991 | well we can either use pr131Scssusuffix or pr131cssusuffix-stable |
| 19:41.47 | merlin1991 | both work |
| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | OT: anybody a clue how to sw-reset a kbd? |
| 19:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm all for #1 |
| 19:42.17 | nox- | powercycle? |
| 19:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | MEH! |
| 19:42.28 | nox- | :P |
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| 19:42.35 | merlin1991 | anyone else for the stable branch naming S in the middle or -stable suffix? |
| 19:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | 20:42 148 Tage 17:30 an, 11 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 1,13, 0,83, 0,64 |
| 19:43.17 | nox- | heh |
| 19:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
| 19:43.44 | nox- | dont worry, long uptimes usually only mean security holes... |
| 19:43.46 | nox- | :) |
| 19:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | screwit, my fan needs cleaning too |
| 19:44.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 19:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:44.39 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: prSmaemox or prmaemox-stable? |
| 19:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | all thumbs up to you guys, you rock da house |
| 19:45.43 | merlin1991 | hm echo "EOVERHEAT" > /dev/ignorewarnings ? |
| 19:45.44 | merlin1991 | .D |
| 19:45.53 | BluesLee | did i missed something?;-) |
| 19:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you missed |
| 19:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 19:46.12 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo%2dssu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 19:46.21 | merlin1991 | BluesLee: so far we've came to the decision to branch a stable branch, with mos of the current cssu in it |
| 19:46.31 | merlin1991 | and push the new changes from gitorious to testing |
| 19:46.51 | merlin1991 | and as soon as components in testing are considered stable import them to the stable branch |
| 19:47.36 | merlin1991 | now we're at the name of the stable branch & the pr.13.1 issue after that we could start hacking |
| 19:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | seems MohammadAG is suffering from his notorious 15min lag |
| 19:48.39 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 19:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 19:49.06 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | yup, highlight works |
| 19:49.17 | merlin1991 | I'll grab something to eat |
| 19:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm afk, in vicinity. HL me if sth pending |
| 19:53.28 | merlin1991 | now we need that Mags Notebook gets alive, or he finds another pc :P |
| 19:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | still glares at this laptop of him |
| 19:55.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | herew now |
| 19:58.37 | merlin1991 | fsckd qmake |
| 19:59.05 | merlin1991 | it doesn't consider files that get created while compiling worth creating install routines for even if you explecitely state them beforehand |
| 19:59.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
| 20:00.47 | merlin1991 | one needs to use the system() call to generate them in the qmake stage so that rules for them can get generated, who was the genious desinging that I wonder? |
| 20:01.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | is this an official best practice? |
| 20:01.51 | merlin1991 | it's the only practice |
| 20:02.08 | merlin1991 | any file wich should have a rule in the resulting make file has to be there when the qmake stage finishes |
| 20:02.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah |
| 20:02.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders of qmake |
| 20:02.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | never worked for me |
| 20:03.15 | merlin1991 | on the n9 hackaton I've been debugging cmake for 2 hrs why it didn't create an out of source build untill it finally did |
| 20:03.19 | merlin1991 | I still wonder WHY |
| 20:03.44 | merlin1991 | so far every buildsystem fsckd me in some way |
| 20:03.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually it only worked afer make clean, or rm <the_binary> |
| 20:06.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | idly ponders to give quassel a try |
| 20:07.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw you know amazon's browser works exactly like that? |
| 20:07.25 | merlin1991 | It's a nice system, and there is an UI for the n900 |
| 20:07.34 | merlin1991 | nope I didn't |
| 20:07.41 | merlin1991 | also there's going to be an ui for the n9 |
| 20:07.55 | merlin1991 | I'm going to a kde sprint in 2 weeks where I'll work on that with the main dev |
| 20:08.48 | merlin1991 | if you really give it a try, set it up with postgres |
| 20:08.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | :) |
| 20:08.58 | merlin1991 | the sqlite backend get's too slow after about 2 months |
| 20:09.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr wut? |
| 20:09.21 | merlin1991 | the core of quassel stores the irc traffic into a sql db |
| 20:09.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | a RDB for a bouncer? |
| 20:09.28 | merlin1991 | or rather the msgs |
| 20:09.50 | merlin1991 | no logs in the ususal sense :D |
| 20:10.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ummm |
| 20:10.06 | merlin1991 | but infinit backlog :) |
| 20:10.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | *cough* |
| 20:10.24 | neal | postgres rocks. Since most programs use a DB on a mobile phone, why don't use a real DB like postgres instead of sqlite? |
| 20:10.26 | merlin1991 | why not a rdb |
| 20:10.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | have that on my plaintext logs as well (well up to 2GB) |
| 20:11.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | or sth |
| 20:11.15 | merlin1991 | and it's only the core that has the db, so your client is actually a thin client |
| 20:11.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe more |
| 20:16.01 | merlin1991 | gosh finally found the bug in my qmake script |
| 20:16.09 | merlin1991 | for is not a keyword but a function name |
| 20:16.18 | merlin1991 | for(x, y) != for (x, y) |
| 20:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 20:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~part |
| 20:18.26 | merlin1991 | actually for (x, y) does nothing |
| 20:18.38 | merlin1991 | but for(x, y) iterates over y assinging values to x |
| 20:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~part #maemo-ssu |
| 20:18.55 | *** part/#maemo-ssu infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) |