| 00:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I publicly blamed Suse devels and dunno whom else for fucking up that stuff |
| 00:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | still you usually see etc7init.d/hwclock which does hwclock --systohc on shutdown, and of course recalculates systemic error based on RTC running on a totally off time it got set to during last boot when last systemic error correction kicked in, while systemclock got adjusted meanwhile to correct time |
| 00:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I usually "fixed" that mess by neutering etc/adjtime, replacing hwclock by a wrapper adding --noadjfile to each call to hwclock, and a wrapper to date that invoked date and hwclock --systohc when date got invoked to set time |
| 00:08.59 | merlin1991 | hm even with the timed:TimeControl permission I can't access the rtc |
| 00:09.16 | merlin1991 | I guess I'll have to use the timed api, fu nokia |
| 00:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/aaa_base/blobs/336db0a714e4ff0d866ddc76cb911b8ca87a2c79/files/etc/init.d/boot.clock#line207 |
| 00:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | while mine looks like: http://pastebin.ca/2204004 |
| 00:17.41 | merlin1991 | oh ffs there QmTime api is bullcrap, there is a method to set both system and rtc time, but no method to sync the rtc with the system time |
| 00:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, hahahaha, haha |
| 00:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so x=gettime(); QmTime.settime(x) |
| 00:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | introduce scew a few ms each single time you run that |
| 00:20.51 | merlin1991 | yeah I'm just wondering if I should patch the QmTime::setTime call into openrdate, (which currently has no qt dependency whatsoever) or should write an own binary which does what you wrote |
| 00:24.03 | merlin1991 | hm own binary is faster, nfc how to get qt support into something built by autotools |
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| 00:37.09 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/189754/ |
| 00:37.19 | merlin1991 | hm could get rid of line #2 |
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| 07:47.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as i said, maemo-launcher is crap |
| 07:47.44 | kerio | *maemo-invoker? |
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| 09:14.54 | freemangordon | kerio: why crap? |
| 09:15.53 | kerio | freemangordon: because if i'm launching a program i expect it to be launched where i am, with my environment, under my terminal and in my process group |
| 09:15.58 | kerio | not "somewhere else" |
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| 10:23.39 | kerio | merlin1991: can you add labels to community-thumb and community-devel? |
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| 10:28.50 | kerio | merlin1991: also, do you pay for bandwidth on merlin1991.at? |
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| 12:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: well, if that's crap, then it's not alone |
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| 12:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: crap is a question of defining your requirements |
| 12:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably for the requirements defined for it, the maemo-launcher is not all that bad |
| 12:32.00 | kerio | are we even sure it speeds up the startup of programs? |
| 12:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not only that, afaik it even reduces memory footprint |
| 12:33.23 | kerio | but... shared objects are already shared! |
| 12:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 12:33.48 | kerio | there aren't multiple copies of gtk in memory |
| 12:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: who would share them for you? |
| 12:34.02 | kerio | are there? |
| 12:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are (usually dynamically, but still) linked libraries |
| 12:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think any .so is really shared in memory |
| 12:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are shared on storage |
| 12:35.46 | kerio | hm |
| 12:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong, but then I have to be terribly wrong |
| 12:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui in the end it's a file handle (on some very very low level) that opens the *.so and reads (parts of) it into memory for the process to run the code |
| 12:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-launcher shares that filehandle |
| 12:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it probably even shares the pointer table that points to shared mamory where the .so got loaded |
| 12:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the whole point of "early binding" resp "preloading" the libs |
| 12:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how the maemo-launcher incarnation/instance after the fork() will get rid of the program text of the launched binary. Must do some free(), or dlclose(), tricky |
| 12:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the "add --exec parameter, for launching normal binaries" (in maemo-launcher ToDo list) sounds like something worth evaluating |
| 12:45.52 | kerio | wtf is run-standalone.sh? |
| 12:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a script setting up some $env you need for "normal" processes to run cleanly |
| 12:46.38 | kerio | i see |
| 12:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g session-bus |
| 12:47.01 | kerio | i might be repeating myself, but fremantle is a fucking mess |
| 12:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could think of it like a ueber-"su user" |
| 12:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather "su - user --command='sudo gainroot'" |
| 12:56.24 | merlin1991 | kerio: no I only pay the monthly fee for the server, though if the bandwidth usage in 1 month goes over 100GB I have to tell them that I'm really not running p2p stuff on the box :D |
| 12:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 12:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 12:59.46 | kerio | k |
| 13:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: lol, welcome next my door with your server ;-D |
| 13:00.15 | kerio | please add a label to the repo so i can properly pin cssu-θ without pinning cssu-d |
| 13:00.39 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: somehow your sentence does not compute |
| 13:00.54 | kerio | merlin1991: your servers are probably geographically close or something like that |
| 13:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.11 | kerio | oh, hoppily close |
| 13:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably is less than 3000m away from me |
| 13:01.28 | kerio | oh, it's in germany? |
| 13:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | could try to find out where's hetzner's rz10 |
| 13:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you also could parse this statement according to |
| 13:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.31 | merlin1991 | hm I gotta check if hetzner has a better server option these days |
| 13:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or like >> time ssh docscr@maemo.cloud-7.de wget merlin1991.at/some_few_GB_file --> real: 0m0.500s << |
| 13:07.25 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 13:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm pondering a move to server4you |
| 13:08.00 | kerio | host everything on S3 |
| 13:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | central services (aka andromeda-labs) is too expensive |
| 13:08.10 | kerio | and provide multiple mirrors across the world |
| 13:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: https://www.server4you.de/ |
| 13:12.44 | ThreeM | ovh.net |
| 13:12.56 | merlin1991 | holy shit |
| 13:13.04 | ThreeM | better known as: Bittorrent spreading rz |
| 13:13.05 | merlin1991 | one time payment of 150€ for the server |
| 13:13.16 | merlin1991 | (server4you) |
| 13:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 13:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you looking for? |
| 13:14.25 | merlin1991 | the dedicated servers on server4you all have: Einrichtungsgebühr€ 149,00 oder € 10,00/Monat |
| 13:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh shit! |
| 13:17.20 | ThreeM | look over ovh.net. there are cheap. or if shared hosting is enoght, ueberspace.de |
| 13:17.24 | merlin1991 | hm I could get the same specs but 24gb ram instead of 8 for the same price and no one time payment on hetzner |
| 13:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh? |
| 13:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: which offer? |
| 13:20.36 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the new ex 5 dedicated server from hetzner is pretty much the same thing I have (same cpu same hdd space, ...) but it has 3 times the ram |
| 13:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 13:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought same offer like server4you |
| 13:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hetzner is stingy with their storage |
| 13:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | 750GB raid-1 c'mon |
| 13:26.00 | merlin1991 | ex4 has 3tb raid1 |
| 13:26.17 | merlin1991 | but only 16gb ram :D |
| 13:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a server costing 60€/month I'd expect at very least 2TB |
| 13:27.07 | merlin1991 | hm I wonder how hard it is with hetzner to move to a new server |
| 13:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably could help there, I know a (now ex-)hetzer-service dude |
| 13:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but basically it shouldn't be hard at all |
| 13:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | they should even do the migration for you, basically you don't notice anything except sudden change in hw specs |
| 13:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 13:29.25 | merlin1991 | hm then they'd have to resize my partitions though |
| 13:29.43 | merlin1991 | since it would pounce from 750gb to 3 tb :D |
| 13:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 13:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, you have to do that |
| 13:30.22 | merlin1991 | yeah they probably just dd the image over and tell you to claim the additional space if you feel like |
| 13:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | try to catch user sid on #maemo or #openmoko |
| 13:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or generally on freenode |
| 13:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask him if he's Imi from Hetzner and knows Joerg |
| 13:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure he registered as sid |
| 13:34.48 | merlin1991 | hm when did I add the thumb repo to my server, since the 9th of july my daily traffic jumped to about 4 gb from basically nothing |
| 13:35.04 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 13:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 13:36.00 | merlin1991 | hm the thumb folder is from 11th of may |
| 13:36.05 | merlin1991 | let's find the tmo post |
| 13:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | mumbles about 50€ and "steep still" |
| 13:36.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what version to put on dosfstools |
| 13:37.08 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: keep the version, we have the same cruft in -testing and there we're not going to go mental unless we want to add an epoch |
| 13:37.23 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if he should feel responsible for inclusion of dosfstools |
| 13:37.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: and what is the problem with dosfstools? |
| 13:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope nothing |
| 13:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | just feel in a mood to "sum up my life" |
| 13:38.44 | kerio | merlin1991: what? |
| 13:38.49 | kerio | we have to fix the version, dammit |
| 13:38.59 | freemangordon | you hope? ubuntu upstream version, sitting in testing for half an year or so and you *hope*? |
| 13:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm not even thinking anything. Better? |
| 13:39.39 | merlin1991 | kerio: relax, the version of dosfstools even does what it should reagarding to original plan, because there is only 1 - |
| 13:39.40 | freemangordon | much better :) |
| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | oiaeunzeqoibc oieqnuc1poe |
| 13:39.57 | kerio | freemangordon: remember to use +, anywy |
| 13:39.59 | kerio | anyway |
| 13:40.12 | merlin1991 | what a coincidence, post from freemangordon about thumb is from the 11th of july |
| 13:40.35 | freemangordon | which one? |
| 13:40.41 | merlin1991 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 |
| 13:40.48 | merlin1991 | the very first in the thread :D |
| 13:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | still no story why 4GB/d need download |
| 13:41.23 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it's kinda odd |
| 13:41.29 | merlin1991 | maybe I should enable the http logs again |
| 13:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:41.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: it's june |
| 13:41.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: shit you're right |
| 13:41.51 | merlin1991 | headdesks |
| 13:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody drawing daily mirrors? |
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| 13:42.28 | merlin1991 | unlikely, the complete thumb repo only has 1.4 gb |
| 13:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | with brute force wget? |
| 13:42.47 | merlin1991 | thumb + devel would be 2.5 gb |
| 13:43.36 | merlin1991 | logfiles it is |
| 13:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | never disable any logfiles ;-) |
| 13:44.16 | merlin1991 | what I don't know about doesn't scare me ;) |
| 13:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly checks maemo.cloud-7 munin |
| 13:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what are the implications of available entropy ditch? |
| 13:48.41 | merlin1991 | hm I think I'll let the logs run for a few days and see if I can extract any stats about # of -thumb users |
| 13:49.09 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, that will make sense once new update is out |
| 13:49.18 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: it works now too |
| 13:49.27 | freemangordon | works? |
| 13:49.38 | freemangordon | what works? |
| 13:49.39 | merlin1991 | everythime somebody apt-get updates I have a hit on the Release and Packages.gz file |
| 13:49.42 | merlin1991 | creating stats |
| 13:50.20 | freemangordon | aah, you mean HAM's scheduled checks |
| 13:50.26 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 13:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | also for those funny usrs that are clueless about which repos to enable? |
| 13:50.28 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:50.42 | merlin1991 | they do run in the background if you have connectivity |
| 13:50.49 | merlin1991 | and only a few people have disabled them :) |
| 13:50.56 | kerio | raises his hand |
| 13:50.59 | merlin1991 | kerio: I know :) |
| 13:51.06 | kerio | D: are you stalking me |
| 13:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | It seems some have enabled/added repos they really shouldn't, though |
| 13:51.42 | merlin1991 | nah, you raised your hand when me and Pali talked about the integer overflow related to that time calculation |
| 13:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite understandable, given not even me has a complete picture about all the repos around maemo |
| 13:52.35 | merlin1991 | well ofc counting the amount the new mp gets downloaded is a better metric |
| 13:52.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: when do you think you'll have the new version out? |
| 13:54.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991: will try to be ready today or tomorrow |
| 13:54.33 | merlin1991 | okay |
| 13:54.44 | freemangordon | i hope you are available, i'll need your help |
| 13:54.51 | freemangordon | to cleanup the old versions |
| 13:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | just notices he's obviously wasting a significant part of his life on PC, while RL goes by unnoticed out there |
| 13:56.02 | merlin1991 | I'll be around today though not at home after 6CET so expect higher response times :), tomorrow I'll be avaiable for sure |
| 13:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the "sum up life" background task just finished and the result been alarming |
| 13:56.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't say "wasting" :( |
| 13:56.18 | freemangordon | well, i'll aim tomorrow then |
| 13:56.24 | kerio | say "rightfully dedicating" |
| 13:56.37 | merlin1991 | today is fine aswell, it's just when you say "clean the repo now" I might take up to 30 mins :D |
| 13:56.48 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:56.56 | kerio | merlin1991: when you say clean the repo, you mean... |
| 13:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnavck |
| 13:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 13:57.05 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:57.09 | merlin1991 | kerio: remove the old versions so we have no collisions |
| 13:57.46 | kerio | ok, so remove every package with "-thumb" in the version? |
| 13:58.04 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 13:58.22 | kerio | hm, do you have to rebuild packages to fix the version names? |
| 13:58.25 | freemangordon | merlin1991: you may want to remove alarmd stuff |
| 13:58.35 | freemangordon | I mean now |
| 13:58.52 | freemangordon | kerio: guess |
| 13:58.58 | kerio | no? |
| 13:59.22 | freemangordon | and the winner is... |
| 13:59.44 | freemangordon | no,no, not kerio |
| 13:59.49 | kerio | :( |
| 13:59.51 | kerio | i never win |
| 14:00.19 | kerio | freemangordon: hm, isn't alarmd already up to date in your repo? |
| 14:00.26 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: actually, why? |
| 14:00.32 | kerio | oh, the version is +1m5 |
| 14:00.33 | freemangordon | changed the version |
| 14:00.37 | kerio | i see |
| 14:01.05 | freemangordon | it is now +thumb0, was -thumb0 |
| 14:01.24 | kerio | freemangordon: the current version in -testing is 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0 |
| 14:01.31 | kerio | the current one in -thumb is 1.1.16+1m5+0cssu0-thumb0 |
| 14:01.39 | kerio | is the +1m5 the problem? |
| 14:03.05 | freemangordon | kerio: are you sure about the version in -testing |
| 14:03.22 | merlin1991 | checks the version in testing |
| 14:03.35 | freemangordon | too |
| 14:03.37 | kerio | freemangordon: yep |
| 14:03.42 | kerio | but thanks for the trust :c |
| 14:03.47 | kerio | or lack thereof |
| 14:04.53 | freemangordon | alarmd (1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0) unstable; urgency=low |
| 14:04.59 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 14:05.33 | kerio | what? |
| 14:05.36 | freemangordon | that is what is on gitorious |
| 14:05.46 | kerio | yeah, that's also what's in the repo |
| 14:06.39 | freemangordon | kerio: where did you get your alarmd from? |
| 14:06.47 | kerio | your repo! |
| 14:07.25 | freemangordon | aah, sorry, my fault, i thought you mean the version in -testing |
| 14:07.47 | kerio | the version in -testing is +0m5, the version in -thumb is +1m5 |
| 14:07.50 | kerio | and it's weird |
| 14:08.48 | freemangordon | anyway, i'll do a script with the exact version, so there should be no problem |
| 14:09.17 | merlin1991 | kerio: nah that's not weird |
| 14:09.35 | merlin1991 | that's probably "dch -i" going crazy (as usual) |
| 14:09.46 | merlin1991 | btw kerio thumb now has Suite: community-thumb |
| 14:10.05 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 14:10.42 | freemangordon | naah, it is my fault, i raised the version by mistake |
| 14:12.31 | kerio | freemangordon: anyway, the priority-based approach to version fixing is sound |
| 14:32.10 | kerio | merlin1991: you could clean up community-devel, btw |
| 14:32.20 | kerio | the stuff there matches -testing now, right? |
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| 15:21.46 | kerio | freemangordon: oh dammit |
| 15:22.08 | kerio | freemangordon: the current metapackage depends on the -thumb versions |
| 15:38.37 | kerio | hey, why is modest in the metapackage? :( |
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| 16:01.30 | freemangordon | kerio: could you do ls -al /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch |
| 16:03.59 | kerio | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 48108 2012-07-06 17:25 /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch |
| 16:04.41 | freemangordon | the fuck, 41780 here |
| 16:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 48108 Apr 11 2011 |
| 16:06.25 | freemangordon | seems like thumb-compiled, going to check it |
| 16:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thumb saved some 300 bytes ;-D |
| 16:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait |
| 16:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7k |
| 16:07.27 | freemangordon | still not enough |
| 16:07.37 | freemangordon | should something like 20k |
| 16:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you asked about detail info on *.launch? |
| 16:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: there's a decent README in the source.tgz |
| 16:10.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I think it could be thumb-compiled |
| 16:10.14 | freemangordon | int -testing |
| 16:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew |
| 16:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | thank god I didn't get it on my cssu-testing device then, obviously |
| 16:11.14 | freemangordon | objdump cannot read arch flags :( |
| 16:11.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you have it |
| 16:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is it like that since Apr 11 2011 ? |
| 16:11.57 | freemangordon | yep |
| 16:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ffs |
| 16:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to think that thumb SiErr impact is much smaller than we worried |
| 16:13.18 | freemangordon | hmm, looks ok in IDA |
| 16:13.52 | freemangordon | 7k is about 20%, ain't? |
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| 16:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~100 - (41780 / 48108)*100 |
| 16:14.59 | infobot | 13.153737424129 |
| 16:15.08 | freemangordon | Tag_THUMB_ISA_use: Thumb-1 |
| 16:15.11 | freemangordon | it is ok |
| 16:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~41780 *1.1315 |
| 16:16.15 | infobot | 47274.07 |
| 16:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 16:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~48108/1.1315 |
| 16:16.37 | infobot | 42517.012814847549 |
| 16:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 16:17.17 | kerio | thumb-1 is ok? |
| 16:17.56 | freemangordon | it stands for "no thumb" :) |
| 16:18.01 | kerio | aww |
| 16:18.47 | freemangordon | i am tempted to thumb-compile gzip, half of the HAM slowness is because of it |
| 16:18.55 | kerio | do it! |
| 16:19.00 | freemangordon | not no |
| 16:19.05 | freemangordon | not now |
| 16:19.35 | kerio | k |
| 16:20.37 | kerio | merlin1991: hm, is there an easy way for you to only apt-mirror the latest versions of packages in -devel? |
| 16:20.59 | merlin1991 | yep, it's a single command |
| 16:21.08 | merlin1991 | I'm only pondering if I should though |
| 16:21.09 | kerio | -devel's package list is bigger than debian's |
| 16:21.22 | kerio | and it's ridiculous |
| 16:21.57 | merlin1991 | I'd need to replace the apt-mirror with reprepro and it should work |
| 16:22.04 | merlin1991 | apt-mirror always clones everything |
| 16:22.20 | kerio | oh, reprepro has a way to mirror another repo? |
| 16:22.24 | merlin1991 | but actually it's a nice idea, to create a reduced repo to speed up ham |
| 16:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: (gzip) makes perfect sense |
| 16:24.38 | merlin1991 | kerio: yeah it has, you can even "track" another repo and still have your own stuff on top |
| 16:24.41 | kerio | hell, i don't get why we have to keep multiple versions on repository.maemo.org |
| 16:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | defines abiguous usage of -devel and -testing a bashable major criminal offense |
| 16:24.57 | kerio | proposes cssu-testing-testing as an alternative to cssu-devel |
| 16:26.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: repos on repository.maemo.org hold a shitton of versions of the same package |
| 16:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: were you talking about cssu-devel, or extras-devel? |
| 16:26.50 | kerio | extras-devel |
| 16:27.01 | kerio | which is mirrored on maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras-devel/ |
| 16:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty much happy with *somebody* keeping an archive of older versions |
| 16:28.20 | kerio | merlin1991: you heard the doc |
| 16:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I asked merlin to do so, while he already did |
| 16:28.22 | kerio | make two mirrors! |
| 16:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't bee too hard and too space consuming, when you use hardlinks? |
| 16:30.04 | kerio | freemangordon: the new controlpanel is quicker! |
| 16:30.07 | kerio | you're a magician! |
| 16:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly ponders to waste 50€/month for a proper server with 3TB instead meager 50GB |
| 16:32.48 | kerio | freemangordon: hold on, you're using a fancy new compiler, right? |
| 16:32.51 | kerio | that's why it's faster |
| 16:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | vserver with 50GB storage: 16 bucks7month, c'mon |
| 16:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no option for storage upgrade |
| 16:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 16:33.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, duh |
| 16:33.40 | kerio | 100GB for 32b/month |
| 16:33.47 | kerio | on two separate servers |
| 16:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, my N900 has more storage than my server |
| 16:34.50 | kerio | mine too! :D |
| 16:34.55 | kerio | not my home server though |
| 16:35.19 | kerio | on my home server i've got 1TB on a grand total of one (1) hd |
| 16:40.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: would you delete h-d from the repo? |
| 16:45.23 | kerio | aw yiss |
| 16:45.33 | kerio | motha fuckin blurless |
| 17:02.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: hildon-home too |
| 17:03.40 | kerio | freemangordon: i keep updating but hildon-desktop is still not there :( |
| 17:04.05 | freemangordon | kerio: yes, merlin1991 has to clean the old version first |
| 17:04.18 | kerio | dammit! |
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| 18:41.46 | kerio | hm, does "User guide" work for anyone? |
| 18:59.06 | Sicelo | the Application, you mean? |
| 19:00.14 | Sicelo | meh..it's just links. |
| 19:00.57 | kerio | Sicelo: yeah, the icon in the hildon launcher |
| 19:01.24 | kerio | it redirects to swipe.nokia.com here |
| 19:01.40 | kerio | which is hilarious |
| 19:03.35 | Sicelo | yeah. maemo.nokia.com has been that since N9 |
| 19:04.27 | Sicelo | but wtf doesn't this icon/shortcut point to the on-device html document? |
| 19:06.36 | kerio | there isn't one? |
| 19:06.39 | kerio | there's a pdf guide iirc |
| 19:08.24 | Sicelo | MyDocs/.documents/User\ Guides/* |
| 19:08.35 | kerio | hm, that's html? |
| 19:08.40 | kerio | anyway, i don't have that anymore :3 |
| 19:08.41 | Sicelo | yup |
| 19:09.19 | Sicelo | 41.4MB in total, wow |
| 19:14.23 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: srry for the long wait, both removed now |
| 19:15.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: np, remove qt and hildon-status-menu too :) |
| 19:16.38 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: both removed |
| 19:16.45 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 19:17.33 | freemangordon | I guess it is enough for today, time for some foosball :D |
| 19:21.34 | freemangordon | merlin1991: the fuck? |
| 19:21.36 | freemangordon | Preparing to replace libqt4-translations 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6-thumb4 (using .../libqt4-translations_1%3a4.7.4~git20110505+cssu7+thumb0_armel.deb) |
| 19:21.55 | freemangordon | that counts as an upgrade, I am lost :( |
| 19:29.12 | kerio | freemangordon: it does |
| 19:29.27 | kerio | version 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6, debian-release thumb4 |
| 19:29.34 | kerio | versus version 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6+thumb1, debian release 0 |
| 19:29.54 | kerio | oh, hell |
| 19:29.56 | kerio | it's cssu7 now |
| 19:30.00 | kerio | that's even better |
| 19:31.01 | freemangordon | kerio: latest in -thumb was cssu6-thumb4 |
| 19:31.25 | kerio | you're replacing +cssu6 with +cssu7+thumb0 |
| 19:31.40 | kerio | there's not an issue if there's no "-" before "-thumb" |
| 19:31.55 | freemangordon | I am replacing cssu6-thumb4 with cssu7+thumb0 |
| 19:32.05 | kerio | yep |
| 19:32.08 | freemangordon | that is why am lost |
| 19:32.09 | kerio | there's not an issue if there's no "-" before "-thumb" |
| 19:32.17 | freemangordon | but there is |
| 19:32.21 | freemangordon | in old version |
| 19:32.35 | kerio | i literally meant a "-" **before** "-thumb" |
| 19:32.36 | freemangordon | aah, i got it |
| 19:33.08 | freemangordon | but but, we don't have problem then and I don't need to make scripts |
| 19:33.20 | kerio | freemangordon: otoh, hildon-desktop *has* that problem :) |
| 19:33.29 | freemangordon | kerio: besides h-d |
| 19:33.37 | kerio | alarmd also has that problem |
| 19:33.44 | freemangordon | hmm, yeah |
| 19:33.58 | kerio | and all the packages it's not prompting me to update, because of the stupid metapackage |
| 19:34.03 | kerio | (there are 5 so far) |
| 19:34.03 | freemangordon | anyway, I am too tired now, will continue tomorrow |
| 19:35.07 | freemangordon | is going to find some bar |
| 19:35.10 | freemangordon | night |
| 19:35.31 | kerio | freemangordon: so far, alarmd, hildon-desktop, hildon-home, hildon-status-menu, libalarm2 |
| 19:36.20 | kerio | but really, it's no big deal, just pin community-thumb with 1001 priority and apt-get upgrade :) |
| 19:41.41 | kerio | hm, wtf is turbo, in the [blur] section of transitions.ini? |
| 19:42.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ^ |
| 19:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 19:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking ME? |
| 19:43.59 | kerio | sure, you seem knowledgeable enough |
| 19:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, ask amiconn |
| 19:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | arcean? |
| 19:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, ask MATAN! |
| 19:45.51 | kerio | wtf is "is_cool" in [notification] |
| 19:45.53 | kerio | why is that even a thing |
| 19:45.59 | kerio | i don't even |
| 19:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I never had a glimpse at all that transition crap |
| 19:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly since I always considered transitions useless ;-P |
| 19:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do they help me get my job done? |
| 19:52.41 | kerio | heh |
| 19:52.47 | kerio | i'm trying to remove as much eyecandy as possible |
| 19:54.27 | kerio | oh god, lol |
| 19:55.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://i.imgur.com/EkIz8.png |
| 19:55.44 | kerio | i don't even know what happened here |
| 19:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 19:56.28 | kerio | why is it red? |
| 19:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen weirder effects ;-P |
| 19:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | like double pictures of same icon |
| 19:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | looked like screen being a shakey photo of itself ;-P |
| 19:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames ovi.share for dicontinued service :-S |
| 19:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | first those assholes force you on OVI ("this is an OVI device..."), then they discontinue that very service after less than 2 yyears |
| 20:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, MORONS! what if I bought the N900 just because of your fsckning awesome ovi-share? |
| 20:00.42 | kerio | to be fair that's incredibly unlikely xD |
| 20:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | still possible |
| 20:01.40 | kerio | how do i extract a single file with tar? |
| 20:01.46 | kerio | i'm restoring my old transitions.ini |
| 20:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM? |
| 20:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tar has a fine manpage |
| 20:02.28 | kerio | hah, just found a bug in the HAM that kills apt-worker when it exits |
| 20:02.34 | kerio | HAM is not the only one that uses apt-worker |
| 20:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:02.54 | kerio | open a picture, share, share with service, update list (or something) |
| 20:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | O.O |
| 20:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 20:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'll miss time window for dinner again |
| 20:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is kinda unfortunate since I had no breakfast or lunch yet |
| 20:07.27 | kerio | ok, backupmenu saves the day again |
| 20:07.35 | kerio | nice extraction, A++ would extract again |
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