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15:21.14*** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1 || READ!!: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963
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15:26.14keriofreemangordon: HAM needs to be fixed to allow proper dpkg compliance
15:28.28kerioi wonder if "use APT algorithms" would make stuff like that work
15:31.33merlin1991reads backscroll from maker
15:36.18merlin1991freemangordon: equalizer addition sounds good
15:36.47freemangordonmerlin1991: did you see the problrm with openssl and dbg symbols i posted?
15:36.53merlin1991yes
15:37.07freemangordonok
15:37.09merlin1991did you push your packaging changes for that to openssl master?
15:37.14merlin1991or should I cherry-pick htem?
15:37.23freemangordonno, you should cherry-pick
15:37.44freemangordoni didn't think master is affected too :)
15:38.16merlin1991okay I'll do that then
15:38.19freemangordonok
15:39.56merlin1991do we have any other not reported bugs  besides the bt name issue currently (not reported as in not in the bugtracker)?
15:43.46lufmerlin1991: do you mean also bluez-4.99?
15:44.28merlin1991luf: I mean in the current -testing release or is the whole bt name issue only with bluez 4.99 ?
15:44.43lufOnly in bluez-4.99.
15:45.08merlin1991oh then I missed that :/+
15:45.20merlin1991s#/+#/#
15:45.25lufNo problem.
15:45.41merlin1991bah why can't infobot understand a non '/' delimiter
15:45.42keriowhy should we upgrade bluez?
15:45.56kerio~botsmack
15:45.56infobotOWW!
15:45.58merlin1991car kit support got way better along the versions
15:46.05kerioi see
15:47.07lufIt's not only about car kit support ;)
15:47.31merlin1991luf: but that's the first thing our end users will notice ;)
15:47.31lufBut sure I had to create some backports for bluez 4.60 into the new obexd.
15:48.30lufThere are a lot of fixes (and also new features like transfer audio from PC to N900).
15:50.03merlin1991btw luf any progess on MAP support?
15:50.26lufYes but not enough yet.
15:50.52lufI'm near to compile the initial N900 support.
15:51.09merlin1991wonders if his car kit now properly works with the *new* obexd
15:51.14merlin1991I didn't get to test it yet :D
15:51.40DocScrutinizer51carkit?? forget it
15:52.00merlin1991hm?
15:52.08DocScrutinizer51carkit is a insane moto invention for USB
15:52.09lufmerlin1991: oh :)
15:52.46DocScrutinizer51morning btw
15:52.48merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: also a valid name for bluetooth phone support in car radios
15:53.36DocScrutinizer51I'd think that has to be named CKP or sth with *P then
15:54.04merlin1991btw freemangordon when do you think I should try to extract some stats about the -thumb repo ?
15:54.20DocScrutinizer51well, PAN also doesn't end on 'P'
15:55.11DocScrutinizer51and DUN neither
15:55.21DocScrutinizer51strange
15:56.15DocScrutinizer51coughs and spits out three 'DICOM', a 'PACS' and two slimy 'HL7'
15:57.23merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: there's also HID, OBEX, SIM, SCO, SYNC, SYNCH and WAPB
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16:12.38kerioDocScrutinizer told status: [ ] TOLD   [ ] NOT TOLD   [X] BLUETOLD 2.0+EDR
16:13.00lufkerio: what is it? :D
16:15.29keriojoerg got told
16:16.09keriofreemangordon: is gstdsp better than openmax, performance-wise?
16:16.22kerio(if i don't overclock the DSP)
16:18.36lufmerrlin1991: MAP support compiled (first time) :)
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16:51.19fw190freemangordon: just to inform you - Ubuntu developeras are all alone now. I don't like this s*it and I'm giving it a kick in the ...
16:52.14fw190freemangordon: damn I'm mad. This is supposed to be LTS. end of troling. Tie to prepare operation openSuse
16:55.20DocScrutinizer05fw190: better avoid the opensuseNN.0 releases
16:55.35DocScrutinizer05or adopt then only after several months
16:55.50fw190I have downloaded 12.2
16:55.56DocScrutinizer05sounds OK
16:56.03fw190the dvd version
16:56.12fw190I will install it as is
16:56.27fw190and run on it firefox writer gimp and chromium
16:56.31fw190nothing more
16:56.37keriofw190: install debian
16:56.42fw190hope it will be rock solid
16:56.51fw190I do not know how to set debian up
16:57.02kerioit's easy
16:57.04keriothere's an installer
16:57.10fw190I'mean as an edn user it all should wokr out of the box
16:57.12kerioyou just need to know unix stuff
16:57.16fw190nope
16:57.28fw190I use it because I'm a beliver ;p
16:57.36fw190N900 changed me
16:57.37kerioreally, i installed it on my laptop and almost everything worked out of the box
16:57.42fw190but no time for lerning
16:57.43kerioand this is a macbook pro
16:57.48keriowith weird, proprietary hardware
16:58.13merlin1991kerio: get me 3d accel for a nvidia gtx 560 in debian stable and I'll happily switch over ;
16:58.17merlin1991s/;/;)/
16:58.26fw190kerio: does it have some sort of update proces like ubuntu?
16:58.37fw190merlin1991: what is your distro?
16:58.40fw190;)
16:58.44merlin1991kubuntu :/
16:59.02keriomerlin1991: huh... apt-get install nvidia-glx
16:59.03merlin1991fw190: debian has the same package management below the surface as the n900 or ubuntu
16:59.08fw190so it's like suse but from bunthuk team
16:59.14fw190I know
16:59.21merlin1991kerio: driver is too old, hw too new :/
16:59.27fw1903 years and Ilearne a few commands
16:59.34fw190and this suse thing scares me a bit
16:59.36keriouse the nvidia-installer then \_o_/
16:59.46merlin1991kerio: lol
16:59.49kerioand you can specify the version, i thought
16:59.51merlin1991that one killed my kernel often enough
17:00.18DocScrutinizer05fw190: it *scares* you???
17:00.26DocScrutinizer05how's that?
17:00.33fw190well new commands nto like apt dpkg and so on ;)
17:00.34DocScrutinizer05too many dialogs during install?
17:00.48keriofw190: by that, merlin1991 means that ubuntu and maemo stole debian's package management system
17:00.55keriobecause it's the best
17:01.07merlin1991yep debian was first :D
17:01.11DocScrutinizer05fw190: fsck the commands, you got Yast in menu, under "system"
17:01.17fw190DocScrutinizer: could you elaborte about those version
17:01.21fw190update
17:01.36fw190is there something I should know about it
17:01.38DocScrutinizer05hmm?
17:01.48fw190well I'm suposed to avoid 0
17:02.11fw190so when I install 12.2 I'm supposed to not allow updating to hings with 0?
17:02.32DocScrutinizer05ooh, just I found the .0 releases not as conventient and bugfree as the .>0
17:02.57DocScrutinizer05nah, you can update any time
17:03.07merlin1991kerio: do you know of a sw that crosschecks the debian security releases with the package on your system?
17:03.15DocScrutinizer05though *I* actually slip the .0 updates
17:03.21fw190Ah ok
17:03.25merlin1991since I run so much stuff on my server I'm starting to worry about updates :D
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17:03.51DocScrutinizer05my last install seen no real upgrade for >3 years
17:04.15fw190DocScrutinizer: I've decided to switch - it's time to backup 200gb damn - 3h oc copying...
17:04.25fw190of
17:05.23keriomerlin1991: well...
17:05.24kerioapt?
17:05.48merlin1991:D
17:06.07kerioi think aptitude can filter by repository
17:06.17merlin1991nah I meant something that sends me emails in case there is new stuff, didn't want to go and set up sendmail + cronscripts for that
17:06.27kerioi see
17:06.37keriowell, there's the debian-security mailing list :P
17:07.03keriothis reminds me
17:07.05kerioi should upgrade my server
17:07.15DocScrutinizer05just though exactly same
17:07.17merlin1991currently is about todo that
17:07.42merlin1991also found out, that there are mysql* pacakge on the server even though everything is run on postgres
17:07.45merlin1991dafuq?
17:08.19freemangordonmerlin1991: what stats? for users?
17:08.26merlin1991freemangordon: yep
17:08.46freemangordonwell, there is a new update today, maybe it is good time now :)
17:09.00merlin1991you'll push another one today?
17:09.07freemangordonyes
17:09.09freemangordonnaah
17:09.15freemangordoni've already pushed it
17:09.25freemangordon:D
17:09.32DocScrutinizer05yum check-update
17:09.57DocScrutinizer05dafaq! useradd lpapp
17:10.07DocScrutinizer05history can be scary
17:10.26merlin1991freemangordon: ah I see
17:10.36freemangordonkerio: http://code.google.com/p/gst-dsp/
17:10.55merlin1991I guess I could build stats about  21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb1, but 2 days probably don't have everyone updated
17:11.48merlin1991I'll be back in a minute, the quassel-core version in debian does not understand it if you kill the postgres server underneath it :P
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17:13.40merlin1991there we go :D
17:13.46freemangordonfw190: i'll install ubuntu on a laptop in a few minutes (when the DVD is burnt) :P
17:14.14fw190freemangordon: grrrr don't even dare to make me mad
17:14.28fw190today this shit didn't allow me to enter the dust bin
17:14.46fw190pidgin after minimalization disapeared
17:15.01fw190don't waste your precious cd
17:15.06fw190burn some music on it
17:15.28freemangordonmerlin1991: yes, you'd better start with today's update, I don;t think more than a 4-5 people updated since it was oout
17:15.51merlin1991I'll build the stats anyway, so we can se how fast your users move ,)
17:16.01freemangordonfw190: unity desktop?
17:16.04freemangordonmerlin1991: ok
17:16.11fw190freemangordon: yep
17:16.28freemangordonfw190: remove that shit and install gnome classic or lxde
17:16.42merlin1991hm funky, almost not traffic on my ipv6 addresss
17:16.53fw190I'm going for openSuse ;)
17:17.02freemangordonok
17:17.32fw190canonical has decided to dump gnome so why I should stick with it and fork this ubuntu buntukh
17:17.51fw190besides - when something goes wrong with suse it will all be Docs fault ;) ;)
17:17.53freemangordonfw190: BTW I am installing ubuntu on an ex-windows' user laptop, not much of a choice
17:18.22fw190well my mother in law has it installed also
17:18.26fw190;)
17:20.40keriowhat did canonical do, now?
17:22.40merlin1991freemangordon: so far 70 dl for thumb2
17:22.48kerio:D
17:23.05keriowhich downloads?
17:23.09keriothe mp .deb?
17:23.10merlin1991and we had 227 dl for thumb1
17:23.13merlin1991kerio:  yes
17:23.46keriodoes while true ; do wget mp-fremantle-community-pr.deb ; done
17:23.52freemangordonhmm, not bad, I was expecting something like 20-30 :D:D:D
17:24.09merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I'm sure you know this, is there a commandline tool to reduce a set of lines to unique lines? (preferable stdin to stdout)
17:24.15keriomerlin1991: uniq
17:24.19freemangordonyes
17:24.20keriowell, sort | uniq
17:24.37keriouniq merges consecutive equal lines
17:24.41merlin1991reads up on awk docs again
17:24.54DocScrutinizer05what do you wanna do?
17:24.55merlin1991because ofc I need to filter the timestamp otherwise I'll not be uniqe
17:25.01DocScrutinizer05remove \n?
17:25.14DocScrutinizer05cut
17:25.27DocScrutinizer05man cut
17:25.46merlin1991currently reading :)
17:26.34DocScrutinizer05probably something like cut -d " " -f 1-
17:27.24DocScrutinizer05or sed 's/^[0-9:]*   //'
17:27.40DocScrutinizer05or sed 's/^[-0-9:]*   //'
17:27.57DocScrutinizer05even simpler:
17:28.10DocScrutinizer05sed 's/^[^ ]*   //'
17:28.14merlin1991grep mp-fremantle-community-pr /var/log/lighttpd/access.log | grep thumb2 | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort | uniq | wc -l
17:28.18merlin1991:D
17:28.39DocScrutinizer05hmm
17:29.05keriothere's been plenty of +thumb2 releases
17:29.06kerioi think
17:29.40merlin1991kerio: the mp had +thumb2 only once
17:29.46kerioare you sure? :o
17:29.59merlin1991freemangordon: that reduced the uniqe (per ip) dls for thumb1 to 221
17:30.06merlin1991kerio: yes because before that we had -thumb2 ;)
17:30.12kerio...ohoho
17:30.12kerioright
17:30.28merlin1991also access logs start only after +thumb1
17:30.34DocScrutinizer05why not  grep mp-fremantle-community-pr.*thumb2 /var/log/lighttpd/access.log
17:30.48merlin1991because that's too easy ;)
17:30.55kerioadd some | cat | in there
17:31.17DocScrutinizer05or |dd|
17:32.11merlin1991okay okay grep mp-fremantle-community-pr.*thumb1 /var/log/lighttpd/access.log | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort | uniq | wc -l it is
17:32.40DocScrutinizer05uniq - report or omit repeated lines:  -f, --skip-fields=N
17:33.10DocScrutinizer05-s, --skip-chars=N
17:33.16merlin1991skips first x files/chars
17:33.21keriohm
17:33.22merlin1991but I actually need to skip after first field
17:33.34keriosurprisingly, it's also in busybox uniq
17:34.32DocScrutinizer05FIELDS! not files
17:34.41merlin1991yeah
17:34.52merlin1991still doesn't help me ;)
17:35.21DocScrutinizer05indeed, since you forgot to do same for sort ;-P
17:36.06DocScrutinizer05sort - sort lines of text files: -k, --key=POS1[,POS2]
17:36.51merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: won't work either
17:37.16merlin1991because ipv6 vs ipv4 addressses and stuff like 25.25.25.25 vs 128.128.128.128
17:37.25DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
17:37.26DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
17:37.52DocScrutinizer05;-D
17:38.25merlin1991nice, so we can scrap the call to uniq
17:38.27DocScrutinizer05aaah, you actually want f1 *only*
17:38.33merlin1991yep
17:38.57merlin1991because it's ip, host, timestamp, request
17:39.32merlin1991s/host/domain/
17:39.34DocScrutinizer05aaah, yeah
17:43.49DocScrutinizer05watsup with da meeting this week now?
17:44.41fw190someone was pointing me to debian. I want to download jus to be safe an image but don't know which http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/
17:45.37merlin1991hehe extras-devel light has 9 unique ips that use it xD
17:46.36kerio:D
17:46.41keriohow many of those are from italy?
17:46.57kerioi bet it's like three
17:47.37merlin1991kerio: do you know a good ip -> region tool / website?
17:48.08keriohttp://www.geoiptool.com/ is the first google result
17:48.40merlin1991well I'd rather use a commandline tool :D
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17:52.23fw190kerio: it was you haha backscrol is good. So which debian image should I pick up- the one i386 with the highest number?
17:52.28keriosrsly though, it should be like three or four IPs from italy
17:52.35keriofw190: debian image? :o
17:52.52kerioare you installing it on a computer?
17:52.59keriodoes this computer have an internet connection through ethernet?
17:53.04merlin1991kerio: 1 time bulgaria, and 4 austria 4 italy :p
17:53.12kerio:D
17:53.26fw190kerio: well as a backup if suse is a fail i will have an usb stick with the debian image
17:53.34keriofw190: suse will be a fail
17:53.38fw190kerio: right now I have to backup 200GB
17:53.43kerioit's got some serious problems
17:53.48kerio1) it's not debian
17:53.56kerio2) desktop distros are bullshit
17:54.07kerio3) no apt
17:54.15fw190kerio: I think that you ant to make Doc angry ahahahha
17:54.38keriowho, me?
17:54.39kerionever :3
17:54.54keriomerlin1991: hmm, reverse dns on the ips?
17:55.09merlin1991too much information ;)
17:55.12kerioat least a couple should be *.clienti.tiscali.it
17:55.14fw190kerio: so which one from this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/
17:55.36keriofw190: do you have internet on the computer you're installing to?
17:55.43fw190yes
17:55.47merlin1991then http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso
17:55.52keriois this to be used as a desktop?
17:55.56keriomerlin1991: debian 6 is stable D:
17:56.11keriofw190: if it's a desktop, then you *really* want debian testing
17:56.21fw190kerio: the thing is that I will wipe up the whole laptop with suse so debian will come into action when suse is a fail
17:56.26merlin1991well the question was which one from "this" so I went for the netinst image in his list :D
17:56.37fw190kerio: it's thinkpadedge
17:56.43fw190lenovo
17:56.49keriowell, i meant
17:56.51kerioit's to be used as a user
17:57.10keriolaptops are even more advised to use testing
17:57.14fw190kerio: yes - must be rock solid without bell and whistles
17:57.28keriodefine "rock solid"...
17:57.55fw190kerio: no problem like with buntukh today that I can not acces dust bin, and closing pidgin doesn't close it
17:58.10keriohm
17:58.11fw190and writer after minmalizing deisapears
17:58.14fw190but is active
17:58.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: testing doesn't sound like rock solid
17:58.31kerioi'd still install debian testing over debian stable, for a non-server
17:59.42fw190kerio: I'm a writer, don't tweak the system, it just should work with basic programs
17:59.49DocScrutinizer05fw190: btw opensuse installer even lets you install multiboot
18:00.32fw190DocScrutinizer: I've heard that I can't have debian and suse alongside because of rpm deb conflict but this may be bullshit
18:00.47keriowat?
18:01.08keriono, that's just a difference in packaging
18:01.14keriodual boot doesn't work that way
18:01.15kerio:)
18:01.21keriofw190: install debian stable, i suppose
18:01.59fw190will give it a shot if suse fails completeltly
18:02.31DocScrutinizer05fw190: of yourse you can, on separate partitions
18:03.12DocScrutinizer05of course*
18:03.36fw190my disk has 500GB but 230 is for data. hmmm maybe I would make a partition with 100GB and install debian alongside but will I have acces to all files from both systems?
18:03.47keriomerlin1991: i actually prefer businesscard over netinst
18:03.47DocScrutinizer05check "partitioning" tab in suse installer
18:04.01DocScrutinizer05yep
18:04.09kerioit only has enough to download the rest of the installer :D
18:05.47DocScrutinizer05fw190: I now have 3 distinct systems on my laptop, each mounts the partitions of the other 2 under some /systemA/ and /systemC/ dirs (systemB in this case)
18:06.06fw190thanks for the tip
18:06.27fw190chatting here gives a lot of new informations
18:06.47fw190but I suppose that this si not the right place for this as this is maemo-ssu ;)
18:07.15merlin1991hm /me wondedrs
18:07.17merlin1991~ot
18:07.18infobotwell, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat, and it can take place in #webos-general
18:07.26merlin1991wut?
18:07.28merlin1991~maemo-ssu
18:07.33merlin1991heh
18:07.40merlin1991see we have no policy about off topic stuff
18:10.38DocScrutinizer05~#maemo-ssu ot is we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot
18:10.38infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
18:10.43DocScrutinizer05~ot
18:10.43infobotfrom memory, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat, and it can take place in #webos-general
18:10.54DocScrutinizer05o.O
18:11.19DocScrutinizer05~chanopt
18:11.39DocScrutinizer05~+chanopt
18:12.26freemangordonmerlin1991: so, what is the final count?
18:12.41merlin1991221 for thumb1 and 70 for thumb2
18:12.46DocScrutinizer05~chanset
18:12.59freemangordonthe fuck, too many :)
18:13.28merlin1991manually updates software on the server which didn't come packaged
18:14.19merlin1991freemangordon: 79 by now ;)
18:14.35DocScrutinizer05~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch $chan _default
18:14.35infobotSetting factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu to '$chan _default'.
18:14.43DocScrutinizer05~ot
18:14.44infobotrumour has it, ot is we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot
18:16.15DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo-ssu
18:16.23DocScrutinizer05~listkeys #maemo
18:17.20DocScrutinizer05~#maemo power
18:17.21infobotmethinks #maemo power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
18:17.31DocScrutinizer05~#maemo omp
18:17.31infobotextra, extra, read all about it, #maemo omp is Open Media Player
18:21.56DocScrutinizer05server reboot, yay
18:22.52DocScrutinizer05I just hope it will come up again ;-P
18:23.17DocScrutinizer05prolly does a friggin fsck now
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18:25.14kerio~omp
18:25.19keriohrmpf
18:25.30kerio~listkeys omp
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18:26.59DocScrutinizer05~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch $chan #maemo _default
18:26.59infobotSetting factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu to '$chan #maemo _default'; was '$chan _default'.
18:27.34DocScrutinizer05~ot
18:27.34infobotot is probably we're not #webos, so our policy is different ;-). See ~_default ot
18:27.39DocScrutinizer05~omp
18:27.39infobotrumour has it, omp is Open Media Player
18:28.19DocScrutinizer05kerio: happy now?
18:28.30kerioyep :3
18:29.45DocScrutinizer05~factinfo can not comply: you
18:29.45infobotcan not comply: you -- created by pimpinmonk <diego@1Cust246.tnt22.bos2.da.uu.net> at Fri Jul  6 02:11:11 2001 (4099 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.
18:29.55DocScrutinizer05~literal can not comply: you
18:29.55infobot"can not comply: you" is "<REPLY> are just too dumb"
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18:30.32DocScrutinizer05o.O
18:30.42DocScrutinizer05~can not comply: you
18:30.42infobotcan not comply: you are just too dumb
18:32.05DocScrutinizer05~computer engineering program at usu
18:32.05infoboti guess computer engineering program at usu is pretty electrical engineering intensive.
18:32.44DocScrutinizer05~i don't compatibilty
18:32.45infobotYou don't compatibilty?
18:32.59DocScrutinizer05~i don't compatibilty.
18:32.59infobotYou don't compatibilty.?
18:33.11DocScrutinizer05~literal i don't compatibilty
18:33.11infobotYou don't compatibilty?
18:33.29DocScrutinizer05dafaq
18:34.04merlin1991~lart n9 browser
18:34.04infobotwhacks n9 browser with a giant beaver's tail
18:34.10deepy~wut
18:34.11infobotit has been said that wut is a lamer way of saying what
18:34.20DocScrutinizer05~factinfo i don't compatibilty
18:34.20infoboti don't compatibilty -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.
18:34.45DocScrutinizer05~factinfo i don't
18:34.45infobotthere's no such factoid as i don't, DocScrutinizer05
18:35.02DocScrutinizer05~i don't
18:35.02infobotYou don't?
18:35.11merlin1991~i don't even
18:35.12infobotYou don't even?
18:35.33kerio~i lol
18:35.33infobotYou lol?
18:35.40kerio~i do
18:35.40infobotYou do?
18:35.42DocScrutinizer05~listkeys i don't
18:35.51kerio~i
18:35.51infobotwell, kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...]
18:35.55kerio:D
18:36.01kerio~i love you
18:36.01infobotYou love you?
18:36.05kerio...yes
18:36.14kerioDocScrutinizer05: infobot feature request: ELIZA parser
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18:36.42merlin1991~i
18:36.42infobotyou are probably the secret master of CSSU
18:36.54merlin1991~merlin1991
18:36.55infobotsomebody said merlin1991 was the secret master of CSSU
18:36.58merlin1991wtf
18:37.04merlin1991~factinfo merlin1991
18:37.04infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
18:37.04infobotmerlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul  3 23:04:19 2012 (83 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by merlin1991, 10s ago.
18:37.16DocScrutinizer05~factinfo sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which
18:37.16infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which
18:37.34DocScrutinizer05~'factinfo sokay, i don't have an arm tool that works, which
18:37.56merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: did you notice the error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required), wtf was that about?
18:38.20DocScrutinizer05a lil bug
18:42.27DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: try ~lock merlin1991
18:42.35merlin1991~lock merlin1991
18:42.46merlin1991pm with not allowed
18:42.51DocScrutinizer05~uptime
18:42.59DocScrutinizer05still alive
18:43.22DocScrutinizer05~factinfo merlin1991
18:43.22infobotmerlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul  3 23:04:19 2012 (83 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by merlin1991, 6m 28s ago.
18:48.14DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: o.O??? ->
18:48.17DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-25 20:47:12] <FIQ> ~FIQ is FIQ
18:48.18DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-25 20:47:12] <infobot> FIQ: okay
18:48.20DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-25 20:47:22] <FIQ> ~lock FIQ
18:48.21DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-25 20:47:22] <infobot> locking factoid fiq, FIQ
18:50.21merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: possibly because you set the factoid?
18:50.38DocScrutinizer05so forget and set new!
18:51.00merlin1991why would I want to lock it though? :D
18:51.14DocScrutinizer05well, it's supposed to work this way
18:51.34DocScrutinizer05so others can't mess with your nick factoid
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18:53.35fw190DocScrutinizer05: one more question - should I pick KDE or Gnome? What do you use?
18:53.51DocScrutinizer05I use KDE, but hate it since kde4
18:54.11DocScrutinizer05I hate gnome since 5h after first time started it
18:54.23fw190this is funn to read
18:54.29fw190so there is no good choice
18:54.37fw190maybe lxde?
18:55.02merlin1991fw190: with lxde I always had the feeling, that I'm missing all the posibilities of proper desktop integration
18:55.14luffw190: it depends what you want/prefer.
18:56.33fw190well I think that KDE from live cd looked good
18:56.51fw190speed is for me important so probably lxde would be the winner
18:57.05fw190but stability is the key
18:57.10fw190after buntukh
18:57.14DocScrutinizer05KDE isn't exactly bad, wsp when you don't use silly dolphin or what's the name filemanager
18:57.22DocScrutinizer05use konqueror instead!
18:57.32merlin1991actually dolphin works for me
18:57.53luffw190: The best way is to test it and choose what you want ;)
18:58.00DocScrutinizer05I heard it's a "save as" widget that lost its main()
18:58.19lufother way it'll be the begin of another flame :D
18:58.37fw190flames are good the clear the earth for a new start ;p
18:58.54merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: what are you missing in dolphin that konqueror has?
18:58.59fw190but i think that I will try this KDE thingy
18:59.19lufUgh ... it begins :D
18:59.47DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: forgot
18:59.49merlin1991luf: I'm not here to flame, just interested what I migth miss (since buntkuh comes with dolphin and I never tried konqueror)
19:00.15DocScrutinizer05probaqbly all the embedded viewers
19:00.33lufmerlin1991: It's just like it usually begins. Some innocent question :D
19:00.36fw190hmm otoh I know LXDE from easy debian - look sok and it's fast
19:00.38DocScrutinizer05and other cute stuff
19:01.18fw190this dolphin and konqueror thing-  probably I wont even feel the diference while opening my writer file
19:01.25merlin1991hehe
19:01.46merlin1991I really hate the dolphin per folder settings philosophy though
19:02.09merlin1991it drops a friggin .dolphin file when you change a view setting inside a folder away from the default
19:02.32merlin1991almost as bad as thumbs.db and desktop.ini which you get everywhere on windows
19:02.44lufBTW I like gnome ;)
19:03.10merlin1991and it totally nukes the idea of multi user desktop
19:03.15fw190luf: KDE is something NEW for me like Unity so this should be a leson for me
19:03.50fw190luf: bessides since today only Unity developers like Unity - yesterday there were them and me
19:05.43DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: LOL, good point
19:05.57DocScrutinizer05(btw konqueror *can* do that too)
19:06.26DocScrutinizer05though I think it's called .desktop there
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19:07.00DocScrutinizer05and only drops when you tell it to do so
19:09.14_ade_freemangordon: ping
19:18.11merlin1991freemangordon: you didn't push your thumb1 (I expect that is the dbg symbols fix) changes to gitorious
19:18.22merlin1991I mean regarding openssl
19:19.53keriomerlin1991: afaik no
19:20.20keriohmm... it is thumb1 though
19:20.25keriomaybe he already did?
19:21.25merlin1991kerio: you might want to reread my sentence :)
19:21.43kerioi meant that i don't know if he actually made them
19:28.46merlin1991he did, at least he uploaded a thumb1 pacakge to the apt repo, but gitorious only contains changes up to tumb0
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19:36.03keriofreemangordon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU
19:41.11merlin1991kerio: :P
19:41.38tadzik. o O ( thumb2 style )
19:44.25keriooppan thumb2 style
19:45.24tadzik:D
19:45.27tadzike-e-e-e
19:45.52tadzikthat reminds me of the update
19:46.08tadzikhaha
19:47.46Raimuthumb-one style sounds more like the original.
19:48.06kerioyeah but the ISA is called Thumb2
19:48.09lufshit obexd-0.46 contains code which lead to segfault :(
19:48.26merlin1991uh oh
19:48.28lufThey even never tested it :(
19:49.07kerioInstalled: 0.46-1maemo3+0cssu2
19:49.10kerioSOOOOOOOOO
19:49.19tadzik*scnr* http://imgur.com/doGXw
19:49.25lufUgh I lost my time because I looking for the problem and I didn't believe it's in .obexd code.
19:49.57merlin1991so that's something that could potentially break on any device?
19:49.59merlin1991bad news!
19:50.24lufkerio: the failed code is disabled by default. And it's even unreachable because no implementation of fucntions to retrieve data for MAP ;)
19:50.30keriooh
19:50.31keriophew
19:50.36kerioso what's the problem?
19:51.14merlin1991kerio: simple, we do want map and luf implements those functions ;)
19:51.19lufmerlin1991: no. Just my problem during devel MAP support.
19:51.50lufAnd my lost time because of false predicate ;)
19:52.38keriowhat's MAP again?
19:53.33lufMessage Access Profile ;)
20:01.20tadzikI thought of Meta-Abject Protocol :P
20:02.05tadzikI'm on new thumb2 now, seems to work alright
20:30.21lufWhooops fixed :) Just swap two lines (in several functions) :D
20:30.45merlin1991lemme guess function calls with side effects?
20:31.42tadzikstrictly speaking, that won't be a function anymore :P
20:33.52lufNo. Just: pointer2 = pointer1 + length; set_size(pointer1); where pointer1 should be NULL prior to set_size ;)
20:35.16luf:) Ok I can list messages in MAP :)
20:36.52merlin1991err what does set_size(pointer1) do there?
20:42.03DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: what's with this fuzzy mmeting appointment now?
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20:42.24merlin1991we'll see if we have everony around tomorrow, or on thursday
20:42.36lufsomething like realloc I guess.
20:45.30lufI'm leaving today. BTW there is still some problem as I can't list messages 2 times (it crash obexd) :D So development continuing.
20:47.59merlin1991have a good night :)
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