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| 11:18.08 | Sicelo | LOL |
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| 13:45.34 | DocScrutinizer06 | Sicelo: indeed |
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| 18:38.27 | kerio | freemangordon: btw, what's the status of hardfp in cssu-thumb? |
| 18:38.40 | freemangordon | no hardfp |
| 18:39.09 | kerio | :c |
| 18:39.14 | kerio | what would it take to add hardfp? |
| 18:39.56 | freemangordon | a new kernel, libc and full recompilation :D |
| 18:40.13 | kerio | cool |
| 18:40.14 | kerio | do it |
| 18:40.43 | freemangordon | yeah, I was about to start |
| 18:40.48 | kerio | really? :o |
| 18:40.51 | freemangordon | no |
| 18:41.01 | kerio | aww :c |
| 18:41.18 | kerio | freemangordon: would binary stuff work as it is? |
| 18:41.19 | freemangordon | and new kernel does not mean some KP with patches |
| 18:41.20 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 18:41.44 | freemangordon | though kernel might not be needed |
| 18:42.09 | freemangordon | only glibc recompiled for hardfp and all userland recompiled with hardfp |
| 18:42.14 | kerio | is it a different architecture altogether? |
| 18:42.31 | freemangordon | abi is different |
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| 18:42.50 | kerio | so... yes? |
| 18:43.04 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:43.16 | kerio | cool |
| 18:43.34 | kerio | hypothetically, how would you run nokia binaries? |
| 18:43.42 | kerio | qemu? |
| 18:44.22 | freemangordon | on the device :D |
| 18:44.31 | freemangordon | aah, you mean hardfp |
| 18:44.32 | kerio | i said how, not where |
| 18:44.42 | kerio | yeah |
| 18:44.44 | freemangordon | chroot on the device |
| 18:45.16 | freemangordon | as it is not really a different architecture |
| 18:45.17 | kerio | oh, so it's somewhat compatible |
| 18:45.18 | kerio | i see |
| 18:45.47 | freemangordon | difference between softfp and hardfp is calling convention |
| 18:46.09 | freemangordon | softfp uses integer regs to pass floating point parameters |
| 18:46.19 | freemangordon | hardfp uses FPU regs |
| 18:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | difference is glibc aiui |
| 18:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so make all your hardfp stuff link against a new freaky glibc instead of the original one and you're probably fine |
| 18:50.51 | freemangordon | well, AFAIK you can't simply do that, as all other stuff (libs) should be hardfp too |
| 18:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. statically linked to glibc-hardfp would already solve all problems ;-) [except the problem with size this will need] |
| 18:51.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah |
| 18:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | good point |
| 18:51.25 | freemangordon | it is not only glibc, but everything linked against it :D |
| 18:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's what I said |
| 18:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | statically linked *to* glibc-hardfp |
| 18:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that would cause other libs use glibc-hardfp too, while those other libs maybe are still assuming standard glibc |
| 18:52.49 | freemangordon | no, you need to link statically to all libs your cool application uses. and they should be hardfp as well |
| 18:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly what I just said |
| 18:53.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 18:53.34 | kerio | by the way, is XIP feasible? |
| 18:53.53 | kerio | hell, is it even doable, considering ubifs does compression? |
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| 18:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's XIP? |
| 18:57.36 | kerio | execute-in-place |
| 18:57.56 | freemangordon | sounds cool. and what it does? |
| 18:59.30 | kerio | http://elinux.org/Kernel_XIP - "In general, time savings of about .5 seconds have been observed." |
| 18:59.34 | kerio | ZOMG |
| 18:59.38 | kerio | A FULL HALF SECOND |
| 19:00.42 | kerio | anyway, you need uncompressed stuff |
| 19:01.24 | kerio | freemangordon: run stuff directly from a storage device |
| 19:01.29 | kerio | without copying it in ram first |
| 19:01.33 | freemangordon | yeah, i read it |
| 19:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it means CPU runs program text off storage directly, rather than load it to RAM and execute from there |
| 19:44.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | big difference between NAND and NOR flash for booting |
| 19:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOR can do XIP, NAND can't, afaik |
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| 20:10.14 | fw190 | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 20:10.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is that? |
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| 20:39.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | fw190: pong |
| 20:39.57 | fw190 | howdy |
| 20:39.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: somesth about addressing |
| 20:40.10 | fw190 | I'm trying to give LXDE a shot |
| 20:40.25 | fw190 | but don't know hwich one to choose from http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=LXDE&baseproject=openSUSE%3A12.2&exclude_debug=true |
| 20:41.19 | fw190 | any suggestions |
| 20:43.08 | fw190 | I did zypper install lxde-common |
| 20:43.19 | fw190 | but when I pick it up wle boot nothing happens |
| 20:43.37 | fw190 | blinks a fewa times and I get back to the password area |
| 20:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: yes, I suggest you open yast, click on "insatll/remove software", enter lxde to search, and install lxdm or something like that |
| 20:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you need to check "description" |
| 20:46.06 | fw190 | there are a few meta packages |
| 20:46.11 | fw190 | and a bunch of other ones |
| 20:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, under "pkg-groups", "windows managers, others" also no LXDE, but a lot of other wm |
| 20:50.18 | fw190 | this is strange |
| 20:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have no idea who's packaging this LXDE and what's supposed to be in that metapackage |
| 20:50.28 | fw190 | there is gnome, xgce kde but no lxde |
| 20:50.34 | fw190 | ah |
| 20:50.36 | fw190 | ok |
| 20:50.47 | fw190 | will try to pester google for it |
| 20:50.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have thought if you install LXDM (display manager) it will pull in all other needed stuff as dependency |
| 20:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | lxsession, lxde-common, dunno |
| 20:54.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | just install them all in yast |
| 20:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and see what that gives you |
| 20:54.41 | fw190 | ok |
| 20:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | just don't forget to check upper four checkboxes under searchstring entry |
| 20:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw lxde-patterns-opensuse pulled in quite a number of other stuff |
| 20:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | patterns-opensuse-lxde actaully |
| 20:59.24 | merlin1991 | bah where did my mea fw image go |
| 20:59.36 | merlin1991 | ~lart my backup scheme |
| 20:59.36 | infobot | pushes the wall down onto my backup scheme whilst whistling innocently |
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| 21:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just when I was about to just install patterns-opensuse-lxde as that pulls in like 50 other pkgs as dependencies |
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| 21:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, Donnie Darko in TV |
| 21:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the stranger movies I ever saw |
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