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| 00:51.12 | luf | libpng - It seems I got the difference :D OMP is starting well now ... |
| 00:53.32 | merlin1991 | so what's different? :D |
| 00:54.48 | luf | http://pastebin.com/TXx25edk |
| 00:55.29 | luf | There is enabled iTXt support for maemo. The comment line is nice: Turning on for maemo, as per tracker developers request. |
| 00:56.10 | luf | I have no clue why they (Nokia) included it into original code instead of debian/patches/ |
| 00:56.39 | luf | That's the reason I like debian/patches/ - everybody can see the difference I made. |
| 00:57.22 | luf | Right now I plan to diff the Nokia source code 1.2.37 againist original 1.2.37 (but I'm not sure if I catch the CVEs). |
| 00:57.30 | merlin1991 | or you have a git repo and one can look at the history ;) |
| 00:57.55 | luf | However I'm able to start OMP, HAM at least (from reported). |
| 00:58.13 | luf | merlin1991: we have Nokia's repo? Let's share URL ;) |
| 00:58.34 | merlin1991 | hm I didn't check if there is one |
| 00:58.38 | merlin1991 | quite possibly there is one |
| 00:59.58 | arcean | https://maemo.gitorious.org/meego-image-editor/libpng/trees/1.2.42-1meego3 |
| 01:00.04 | arcean | luf: ^ |
| 01:03.57 | luf | arcean: it's not maemo and unfortunately I don't see there maemo commits |
| 01:04.58 | arcean | I know, it's current maemo upstream |
| 01:08.13 | luf | Nice it has the same def part (which I commented out) as the 1.2.49. So they added the comment and remove (not comment out) some ifdefs+defines :D |
| 01:11.43 | luf | Ok I have to keep something for the morning/day :) |
| 01:12.07 | arcean | yeah, it good time for bed :) |
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| 01:21.39 | luf | I forget to mention. If someone is brave enough to test patched version libpng-1.2.49 which can run OMP and HAM I uploaded it to http://merlin1991.at/~luf/libpng (also sources, I'll upload git tomorrow or day after tomorrow). But I'll check source code from upstream 1.2.37 againist Nokia's one. |
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| 11:15.27 | luf | Huh I shouldn't work during evenings and nights :( |
| 11:15.53 | luf | maemo/libpng3-1.2.37/debian/patches/02-enable-itxt.diff - how could I overlook it :( |
| 11:16.57 | luf | So the last build of libpng-1.2.49 is ok and I'm going to upload it to the cssu-devel. |
| 11:17.16 | luf | And also I have to say sorry to libpng devels and also Nokia's devels. |
| 11:32.53 | kerio | heh, why? |
| 11:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank luf |
| 11:33.46 | infobot | ACTION bends luf over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on luf's pasty white buttocks. |
| 11:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 11:34.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: you said you shouldn't, at pretty exactly the time where it's pretty hard to follow that rule anywhere on northern hemisphere |
| 11:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm on 45°N here, and it seems to me there's just night, night, night, and evening, during a 'day' |
| 11:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily this is getting better since 11:13 UTC |
| 11:37.10 | luf | :p |
| 11:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | checks his homematic info screen |
| 11:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | already more than 7h you could call morning or evening |
| 11:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | rest clearly is night |
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| 11:53.13 | amiconn | is slightly further north. Sunrise 08:13, sunset 15:54 |
| 12:00.58 | marmistrz | Hi, \ |
| 12:01.42 | marmistrz | I thought about porting newer tracker from Harmattan |
| 12:01.50 | marmistrz | but I'm lost in the bulld-dep hell |
| 12:02.16 | marmistrz | Maybe we could divide some of the work? |
| 12:02.20 | marmistrz | What do you think about it? |
| 12:02.55 | luf | marmistrz: what is the motivation for it? |
| 12:03.55 | marmistrz | 1. Tracker on fremantle is sometimes laggy: indexing 2000 tracks takes hours :) |
| 12:05.11 | marmistrz | 2. Tracker on Harmattan has sparql, and this is required for a couple of other libraries from Meego, e.g. libaccounts-ui and is used by the Harmattan apps. |
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| 12:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I thought fremantle trackercapper has SPARQL as well, and we already got a nicely bugfixed version |
| 12:16.49 | luf | So the motivation is to support Harmattan application if I understand right. |
| 12:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | crapper* |
| 12:17.36 | luf | *well :) |
| 12:17.40 | marmistrz | yes, and to improver all the tracker stuff. |
| 12:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM apps won't simply backport to fremantle anyway |
| 12:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you always need adaption done |
| 12:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why not adapt the tracker related stuff as well? |
| 12:20.21 | marmistrz | why won't harm tracker stuff simply backport? With much stuff it backported ok. |
| 12:20.34 | marmistrz | There's no package: libtracker-sparql-dev in Fremantle afaik |
| 12:20.41 | luf | I'm a little bit affraid that Harmattan is using tracker for a lot of other stuff (as call history, SMS, ...). This is in rtcomm-eventlogger in maemo. And to be honest I have no clue what is doing tracker in maemo. |
| 12:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I can't see tracker become more ubiquitous and relevant on fremantle, the direction HARM went with tracker is a continuation of the already wrong path fremantle took with tracker |
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| 12:21.26 | marmistrz | tracker is for email, file stuff and media player on Fremantle |
| 12:21.42 | marmistrz | But if Harm is using tracker for everything, it must be efficient :) |
| 12:22.18 | luf | I have enough long my TODO so I'll not help you. (generaly be careful with "must be") ;) |
| 12:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | using tracker for everything: ultimate brainfsck |
| 12:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | freedesktop tracker is an indexer for stuff like kerry beagle, spotlight... Abusing it as an abstraction layer over, and only means to access to, the hierarchical filesystem was already a pretty bad idea. HARM extended that to the ultimate evil concept of storing data inside tracker db |
| 12:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not supporting this concept |
| 12:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's braindamaged |
| 12:26.09 | luf | marmistrz: BTW how it looks with the sql package you upgraded? |
| 12:26.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does that mean that a tracker-processes -r would cause a data loss? |
| 12:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | briliant, isn't it? |
| 12:27.02 | marmistrz | yeah |
| 12:27.18 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: we already have tracker in maemo so the upgrade (carefully created) should be plus. |
| 12:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 12:27.30 | marmistrz | why not? |
| 12:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't want a bloated tracker |
| 12:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want a neutered tracker if anything |
| 12:28.11 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: where is the freedom? |
| 12:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the freedom is in your option to do the backport to your device and use it |
| 12:28.51 | marmistrz | harmattan tracker is generally based on the gnome tracker. So there shouldn't be much problems when using the base features |
| 12:29.13 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: also freedom in ignoring your opinion? |
| 12:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 12:29.43 | marmistrz | tracker should be generally bkwards compatible. Why not to do it. We'll get newer vala, glib by the way as they are probably needed. |
| 12:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but no way we'll go redefine fremantle tracker to do stuff that HARM does in an evidently mad way |
| 12:30.11 | luf | marmistrz: I don't think it'll be so easy (as I lernt from other maemo crippled packages). |
| 12:30.34 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: nobody talked about storing everything in tracker. Just the tracker upgrade ... |
| 12:30.45 | marmistrz | But why can't m5 do the things that m5 normally does + the things that are in some apps. |
| 12:30.49 | marmistrz | exactly what luf says |
| 12:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could as well suggest to change HD to support HARM-alike swipe and drop hw kbd support |
| 12:31.30 | marmistrz | you mean HD=hardware design or what? |
| 12:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hildon desktop |
| 12:31.39 | luf | Motivation is - faster tracker (and another plus should be easier porting Harm apps). |
| 12:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | where the F* is any proof of HARM tracker being any faster? |
| 12:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for the "porting apps" part: sure it gets easier to port apps from Y to X when you make X more like Y. But we don't want to make fremantle more like HARM |
| 12:33.05 | marmistrz | HD might be modified so that either m6 swipe is usable - as it rocks. or use some webos gestures. You don't have to drop generic minimize and close to support those |
| 12:33.26 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: Can anybody test 2000 tracks in meego and in maemo to measure? |
| 12:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | on which platform??? |
| 12:33.49 | RST38h | luf: I did, on Maemo, it is a disaster |
| 12:34.12 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 12:34.24 | marmistrz | you don't get my point. m5 doesn't have to become m6. But the libs may be right there. Some call it compatibility |
| 12:34.56 | luf | marmistrz: I think DocScrutinizer05 knows ;) He just want to spent some time. |
| 12:35.04 | marmistrz | ;) |
| 12:36.30 | luf | marmistrz: how is it going with the sql you upgraded? Any progress in testing/moving into cssu? |
| 12:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the heck! sure a tracker running on a N9 with double the RAM, faster CPU, faster+better SQLite will outperform fremantle tracker on N900 |
| 12:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | but what does that prove? |
| 12:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I don't see any new functions of HARM tracker that could even get implemented on fremantle tracker, not to mention what the heck was the use of such an enterprise |
| 12:38.22 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: It's presumption. We'll have proove once someone try to upgrade the tracker. |
| 12:38.23 | marmistrz | tcl8.5 is in extras (normal extras) but merlin1991 says we can't use it - so a stalemate |
| 12:39.02 | luf | marmistrz: I mean SQLite |
| 12:39.59 | marmistrz | I know |
| 12:40.12 | marmistrz | and it's a pain in the ass to drop tcl to 8.4 |
| 12:40.42 | luf | MMNT SQLite is using tcl? Or what is the idea? |
| 12:40.56 | freemangordon | marmistrz: I second luf's question: what is the status of sql? |
| 12:41.05 | freemangordon | swlite that is |
| 12:41.09 | freemangordon | the fuck :( |
| 12:41.12 | freemangordon | sqlite |
| 12:42.14 | luf | freemangordon: I hope you red the backscroll - how I'm stupid with libpng (and I have working library now) |
| 12:42.26 | freemangordon | luf: yeah, saw that :D |
| 12:42.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it has 4 times the RAM of n900 afaik |
| 12:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 12:43.08 | luf | However thanks for you support with backtrace. |
| 12:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and FREE RAM is probably 20 times |
| 12:43.30 | freemangordon | there is free RAM on n900? where it is? :P |
| 12:43.33 | marmistrz | as I said merlin1991 doesn't want to use extras packages |
| 12:43.46 | marmistrz | I have mainly 5MB free RAM |
| 12:43.55 | freemangordon | marmistrz: how is sqlite related to tcl? |
| 12:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | free ram is the amount of true ram an app can allocate |
| 12:44.32 | marmistrz | build deps |
| 12:44.39 | freemangordon | luf: btw why do you use 49 and not 50? |
| 12:44.58 | freemangordon | libpng version |
| 12:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW the amount of memory an app can use without running into swapping hell |
| 12:45.43 | luf | freemangordon: because it's in debian wheezy and I trust it's better tested. |
| 12:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/an app/a process/ |
| 12:46.36 | freemangordon | marmistrz: build deps? what is that supposed o mean, just debian/control entries? or you did tried with relaxed dependensies and it refuses to build? |
| 12:47.02 | luf | freemangordon: I know that 1.2.50 is fixing one CVE but it's just compile time so I don't care about it. |
| 12:47.15 | freemangordon | luf: I know, I was just curious |
| 12:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the amount of such memory on fremantle is probably some 50...100MB max, on N9 is't possibly 10 times that |
| 12:47.44 | marmistrz | I tried, and configure (or sth like that) goes mad. And it's not easy to fix it, as it's even there treated as a separate pkg |
| 12:48.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you'll be surprised if you check the actual values in harm. IIRC after dropping the caches you have ~200 MB of free RAM ;) |
| 12:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | see my definition of free ram above |
| 12:49.06 | luf | freemangordon: I'm not very good in testing and I don't think that anybody here has enough time to test everything. So my opinion is that more tested packages are better (if there is no reason to use newer one). |
| 12:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it no way means to drop swap |
| 12:49.46 | freemangordon | marmistrz: well, that's what the process of backporting is supposed to do ;) |
| 12:49.53 | kerio | i have 63mb of free ram at the moment :D |
| 12:50.02 | kerio | 84mb swapped |
| 12:50.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no swap on n9, besides compcache :) |
| 12:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it means subtracting all memlocked memory and high priority process memory from total amount of available memory after kernel got loaded |
| 12:50.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: so the amount of free RAM reported after dropping file cache should be ~equal to max allocatable memory |
| 12:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW how large an array a process can allocate and scan every second, without creating constant swapping |
| 12:51.25 | freemangordon | luf: agree |
| 12:52.50 | freemangordon | luf: are there any patches compared to upstream? in wheezy package that is |
| 12:53.29 | luf | freemangordon: I don't understand the question. |
| 12:54.10 | luf | I use all patches from wheezy (the only one which exists also in 1.2.37 - maemo version) + use one specific maemo patch. |
| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | constant swapping could result from either the process' own memory getting segmented and swaped one segment out and another in, or by other processes swapping out parts or all of our process' memory since they are higher priority |
| 12:55.40 | freemangordon | luf: ok |
| 12:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the amount of allocatable RAM that causes neihter of both I define as "free RAM" |
| 12:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course allocation of such 'free RAM' could cause initial swap-out of other lower-prio processes that are sleeping |
| 12:59.36 | ShadowJK | One interesting aspect of harm tracker would be if the sql it uses is any less braindead than sqlite wrt disk accesses |
| 12:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a process like e.g. tracker will suddenly slow down by factor 10000 when going from N to N+1 records of such array, tripping the swap hell threshold |
| 13:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: aiui they both use SQLite |
| 13:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so even when getting that improved SQLite version on fremantle, we still don't need to augment or upgrade tracker to profit |
| 13:02.33 | ShadowJK | I very much doubt sqlite is fixed |
| 13:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also rather sure fremantle tracker also knows SPARQL |
| 13:03.00 | luf | I need help with git :( |
| 13:03.27 | ShadowJK | it was broken when mozilla started using it for "awesome bar", what, 8 years ago? and still broken 3 years ago, so I have very little hope :) |
| 13:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if anything missing in bindings for fremantle tracker sparql, let's get the bindings, not the HARM tracker |
| 13:04.01 | luf | git clone -b libpng12 <libpng.git.reo>; git remote set-url origin <cssu.git.repo> |
| 13:04.33 | luf | I made changes. And I need to push it. Is "git push origin libpng12" the right command? |
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| 21:14.50 | int_ua | FYI: today it rebooted and clock widget along with... how is it called.. tray. It died. |
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| 21:15.18 | int_ua | good day to reflash... |
| 21:21.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | systray died?? |
| 21:22.49 | kerio | int_ua: do you have weird stuff installed? |
| 21:24.41 | int_ua | I just remembered that I've deleted nemo-keyboard few hours before.... |
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| 21:25.29 | int_ua | along with all *maliit* that it depended |
| 21:25.40 | int_ua | *it was dependent on |
| 21:26.26 | kerio | :s don't say that |
| 21:26.26 | int_ua | Also, why would mce need accelerometer? Gone remembering what is mce |
| 21:26.36 | int_ua | kerio: why? |
| 21:26.48 | kerio | because DocScrutinizer will keep ranting about how autoremove is broken |
| 21:27.36 | int_ua | Also! syslog contains phone numbers! Be careful. Please tell me the code that throws them in syslog was written inside nokia |
| 21:27.52 | kerio | why shouldn't syslog contain phone numbers? :o |
| 21:28.11 | kerio | it's the syslog |
| 21:28.14 | int_ua | don't you think it's personal? |
| 21:28.16 | kerio | it logs the sys |
| 21:28.39 | kerio | yep, it's definetely personal |
| 21:28.44 | kerio | it's something between you and the system |
| 21:28.58 | int_ua | I see it as a debugging tool. It should be shared with others who can help debugging |
| 21:29.22 | kerio | well, you see it in the wrong way |
| 21:29.26 | kerio | it's the syslog |
| 21:30.06 | kerio | it logs the system's everything |
| 21:30.17 | int_ua | The syslog that was filled with 50 MB of complaints from mce about missing accelerometer... After I modprobe -r it |
| 21:30.45 | kerio | well, maybe you should not do that then |
| 21:31.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: stop highlighting my mobile alterego, as long as no emergency, please |
| 21:31.43 | kerio | i highlighted DocScrutinizer |
| 21:31.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang, right |
| 21:32.06 | int_ua | I consider rotation behaviour broken. When phone rings and you have 6+ windows you have wait for at least 15 seconds for them all to rotate. |
| 21:33.01 | int_ua | ...with rotation blocked |
| 21:33.16 | int_ua | thinks about phone settings |
| 21:33.29 | int_ua | one second, please |
| 21:34.35 | int_ua | ok, it was automatic, sorry. Scratch that. Why did I missed that for a week?... |
| 21:37.22 | int_ua | >_< |
| 21:38.16 | int_ua | I even created a script for *bee* widget... >_< |
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