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16:22.27 | freemangordon | solofight: hi |
16:23.35 | freemangordon | solofight: you said you want to participate in fremantle porting to neo900 |
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16:44.46 | freemangordon | solofight: here |
16:45.28 | freemangordon | solofight: but I guess you first need to install ssh server on your device and ScratchBox on your desktop :) |
16:45.33 | freemangordon | ~sb |
16:45.34 | infobot | from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 |
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16:46.17 | solofight | freemangordon: am here :) |
16:46.18 | solofight | how can i help with the kernel dev ? |
16:46.36 | freemangordon | solofight: do you have kernel development skills? |
16:46.53 | freemangordon | solofight: for example cameras don;t work in upstream |
16:47.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: o praticular reason, just... |
16:47.18 | freemangordon | *no |
16:47.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: some kind of gut feeling :) |
16:47.45 | solofight | i have been programming applications on platforms - this will be the first time to program the platform itself (kernel) |
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16:48.19 | solofight | freemangordon: gut feeling ? dont understand why you pasted his messages here to me |
16:48.29 | freemangordon | solofight: it was to DocScrutinizer05 |
16:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty poor excuse for abandoning tested optimized N900 kernel for the known-poor-powermanagement 3.x |
16:49.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we should have plan B if we fail to port 2.6.28 |
16:49.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, if we manage to do it right, I think 3.14 and up will have better PM than stock |
16:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | we shouldn't start with plan B while ignoring more pressing affairs like RE of the bits we can't port anyway |
16:51.03 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 1 more function to go :P (fmtxd that is) |
16:51.24 | freemangordon | solofight: any idea what IDA is? |
16:52.15 | solofight | freemangordon: nope |
16:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsaped |
16:52.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: closed? |
16:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it? |
16:53.06 | freemangordon | NFC |
16:53.28 | freemangordon | "E: Unable to find a source package for alsaped" |
16:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin policy enforcer daemon nobody is able to grok |
16:53.45 | freemangordon | so... closed |
16:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
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16:54.21 | freemangordon | arcean_: hi! |
16:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | as are the errr prolog(?) scenario descriptions |
16:54.45 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I think pali groks those |
16:54.48 | freemangordon | me not :) |
16:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, he just RE'd them |
16:55.13 | freemangordon | it was more than 20 years I touched prolog for the last time |
16:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's just like stating you grok alsaped since you can disassemble it |
16:55.35 | freemangordon | and it has a bit of weird syntax |
16:56.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that'd be truee, you can't do a good RE if you don;t understand what it does |
16:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have no clue what API this shit has |
16:56.43 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, maybe I'll fire IDA agains alsaped after I finish with fmtxd. If it has x86 binary |
16:56.50 | freemangordon | *against |
16:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali just created prolog source from the compiled version |
16:57.09 | solofight | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83447&page=2 ??? |
16:57.10 | freemangordon | he changed some stuff there |
16:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least to me it's *completely* obscure how this whole abomination works |
16:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | starting at API down to the prolog stuff and it's semantics |
16:58.29 | solofight | is there a way to emulate the os on my PC like the android emulator or the blackberry simulator ? |
16:58.44 | freemangordon | solofight: toldya, scratchbox |
16:58.58 | freemangordon | see the backscroll |
16:58.59 | solofight | searched and found a project yesterday which promised it but all download links seems to be 404 and project is no more existing |
16:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I can't even say I had a faint idea about PA itself |
16:59.38 | freemangordon | solofight: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
16:59.52 | freemangordon | do not use gui installer |
16:59.56 | solofight | thanks freemangordon |
17:00.07 | freemangordon | and use mirror, nokia links are dead |
17:00.15 | solofight | why not the gui installer ? |
17:00.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: me neither |
17:00.26 | freemangordon | solofight: it is broken |
17:00.32 | solofight | got it |
17:00.56 | solofight | will meet you tomorrow morning with the installer version in my pc (and the SSH on my mobile to play with apmefo :P) |
17:00.57 | freemangordon | solofight: what OS is your desktop? |
17:01.00 | solofight | gud nyt all |
17:01.06 | solofight | win7 |
17:01.09 | freemangordon | OMG |
17:01.22 | solofight | i am planning to put ubuntu 12 or bt5 on it |
17:01.25 | solofight | as dual boot |
17:01.33 | solofight | why ? |
17:01.44 | freemangordon | ubuntu12.04 will do the job for SB |
17:01.49 | solofight | sb ? |
17:01.56 | freemangordon | ScratchBox |
17:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
17:01.58 | infobot | hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 |
17:02.00 | solofight | :P ok |
17:02.17 | solofight | got to get used to all acronyms that you people are suing here :P |
17:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask infobot |
17:02.31 | freemangordon | anyway, I am back to REing fmtxd |
17:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
17:02.46 | solofight | ~fmtxd |
17:02.47 | thedead1440__ | has got to get used to being highlighted too ;) |
17:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
17:02.56 | infobot | [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/ |
17:03.13 | solofight | what is fmtxd ? |
17:03.18 | solofight | freemangordon: ^ |
17:03.28 | solofight | RE = reverse engineer ? |
17:03.38 | freemangordon | yep |
17:03.49 | solofight | fmtxd ? |
17:04.02 | freemangordon | solofight: FM transmitter daemon |
17:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_Media_Player |
17:04.15 | solofight | ah ok |
17:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | find "fmtxd" |
17:05.13 | solofight | ah ok, FM handsfree FM txn/rxn |
17:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/FM_Transmitter_API_Usage |
17:05.44 | freemangordon | solofight: you're aware that n900 has FM transmitter, ain't? |
17:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmtx-middleware-doc/ |
17:06.14 | solofight | do you guys know that transmitting audio over a set frequency in a moving vehicle the freq drops ! |
17:06.20 | solofight | yes |
17:06.25 | solofight | freemangordon: ^ |
17:06.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: fmtxd is part of fmtx-middleware ;) |
17:06.42 | solofight | on moving vehicle the transmitter works poor |
17:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/fmtx-middleware-doc/0.55+0m5/ F U |
17:07.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm? |
17:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: that#s the Doppler effect ;-P |
17:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: empty friggn docs pkg |
17:08.08 | freemangordon | ooh, empty |
17:08.09 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: i know i already asked you this, but just exploring the possibilities .... any possibility at all to have suitable hardware which supports dual sim in neo 900 |
17:08.21 | solofight | if yes - it will be my dream phone --- seriously |
17:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: the modem currently doesn't support that |
17:09.06 | solofight | nothing can stand infront of neo900 then |
17:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-01-02 13:54:16] <Leverator> Will the neo900 have two SIM connectors? |
17:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-01-02 14:24:32] <-- Leverator has left this server (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). |
17:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-01-02 14:29:23] <DocScrutinizer05> even while s/he left: P*S8 modem modules for now do not support DSDS, so no real benefit from adding a second SIM tray. But we are keeping an eye on that as well, asking Gemalto if maybe their future pin-compatible modules support DSDS and if so, then on which pads of the footprint. If we receive according info from them, we will adapt our design accordingly, allowing hw or even sw/fw(!!!) |
17:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | upgrade to DSDS |
17:09.27 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: how about a change in the modem ? |
17:10.10 | freemangordon | solofight: are you kidding? |
17:10.41 | solofight | freemangordon: never |
17:10.54 | solofight | request for a dual sim sound like kidding ? |
17:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the modems we originally planned to use had DSDS, but were too high and discontinued |
17:11.30 | freemangordon | solofight: the only one that can change anything in the modem is the manifacturer of the modem. And I doubt Gemalto will do it |
17:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gemalto definitely will not change a single byte for *us*. They however might eventually add DSDS to their product feature list for all their customers |
17:12.29 | solofight | let me tell you this - ive spent some good time in the market and i neva found a matching phone to n900's capabilities and comfortness for me except for the dual sim feature |
17:12.35 | solofight | oh |
17:12.43 | solofight | why Gemalto then ? |
17:13.01 | freemangordon | solofight: for various reasons, check neo900 thread on TMO |
17:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | because the module fits and is actually available |
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17:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they even disclose their docs to everybody, on informal request |
17:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they seem really concerned about world coverage |
17:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the PXS8 even comes with both UMTS and CDMA2000 |
17:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you're aware that dual-SIM doesn't automatically means dual-standby? |
17:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even dual-online? |
17:16.08 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: yes - atleast dual sim to start with |
17:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | most dual- or even triple-SIM phones are silly convenience things that save you from swapping SIM |
17:16.56 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: the one samsung uses is good as well right ? no idea about the producer though |
17:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Samsung does DSDS |
17:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
17:17.16 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: there is a good market for that feature |
17:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I expect Gemalto to upgrade their modems to that freature |
17:17.44 | solofight | so samsung produces their own modem you say ? which has DSDS ? |
17:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's qualcom iirc |
17:18.24 | solofight | DocScrutinizer05: why can we use QUalcom ? |
17:18.33 | solofight | cant* |
17:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | because no module with matching fitting formfactor exists |
17:19.16 | solofight | damn |
17:19.31 | solofight | cant we order the custom size ? |
17:19.45 | solofight | bulk order would be considerd right ? |
17:21.20 | jake42 | if we have 1M preorders for neo900 - sure :) |
17:21.30 | solofight | whoa ! |
17:21.39 | jake42 | I mean one million :) |
17:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1000 modules are a volume they don't consider stuff from shelf to us |
17:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't even change a single byte in firmware for us, on that order volume |
17:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | *definitely* they won't develop a new smaller module hardware for us |
17:23.39 | solofight | :( |
17:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking them for 1000000 modules, they will happily write a customized firmware for us |
17:23.52 | solofight | ok off i go now and come here tomorrow |
17:24.01 | solofight | understand now |
17:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
17:24.24 | solofight | bye all |
17:24.28 | jake42 | bye |
17:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking them for 10,000,000 modules they will look at us like we were idiots, since nobody uses modules for such quantities |
17:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | bye solofight |
17:26.26 | jake42 | that won't happen anyway :) |
17:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW no matter what we do, nobody will build a custom module for us |
17:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and - as I already said - we got advised to look for another module than the Option801 |
17:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be vaporware |
17:28.35 | jake42 | hehe, atleast they don't let you wait for it |
17:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, well, that's a kind supplier, not Option |
17:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | RoundSolutions |
17:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't get Option modules from Option just like we can't get Gemalto modules directly from Gemalto |
17:30.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you always need retailers for that stuff |
17:30.43 | jake42 | yep |
17:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | as we can't get DM3730 SoCs form TI |
17:31.07 | jake42 | should have bought nokia when the time was right :P |
17:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | from* |
17:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Only big guys like Nokia or Samsung get the chips directly from chip manuf |
17:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't even need to bother give them a call, they will offer us a coffee and politely explain to us that they can't do business with us |
17:33.34 | jake42 | they'll offer coffee? |
17:33.59 | jake42 | I would have thought that they wouldn't even bother |
17:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, the real big guys often are surprisingly polite and kind |
17:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | they take pride in that |
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17:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but only when you show up personally at their office |
17:35.40 | jake42 | serving coffe over the phone is hard |
17:35.43 | jake42 | i guess :) |
17:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | same with Rolls Royce |
17:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Daimler-Crysler |
17:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Nokia ;-P |
17:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, have to hurry, to get some shopping done |
17:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | some food, and dinner |
17:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
17:39.00 | jake42 | me too.. |
17:39.01 | jake42 | bye |
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