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| 11:09.30 | psycho_oreos | I can see how useless N9 would be on IRC in a really busy channel. With only a few lines to actually see the words it will sure be fun... no doubt its a huge improvement from N900's VKB but still no match when it comes to using proper keyboard that N9 will never offer. |
| 11:52.13 | petteri | you can swipe down to get the keyboard away |
| 11:54.30 | psycho_oreos | more like to close the app, though I can simply push the uppermost part of the screen to also hide the keyboard.. the issues with the lack of physical keyboard doesn't really stop there |
| 11:58.48 | petteri | swipe down from the upper side of the keybord |
| 11:58.51 | petteri | that hides it |
| 11:59.27 | petteri | i like irssi more on n9 than on n900 |
| 11:59.33 | petteri | more lines and nicer look |
| 12:02.14 | psycho_oreos | comparing via VKB N9 offers more readability, though again N9 is really annoying without physical keyboard.. the inability to either cut, copy nor paste on N9 within browser is really annoying |
| 12:04.01 | psycho_oreos | and the default music player is really crippled on the N9... onr cannot see the playlist easily let alne create nor save playlist with the standard.app is also really cumbersome |
| 12:05.18 | petteri | heheh, seems that you really got some issues there :D |
| 12:05.28 | psycho_oreos | oh... you can't even clear the current nusic/sets of music you're listening too either without having to first close the app |
| 12:06.07 | psycho_oreos | N9.. woefully debilitating.. woefully |
| 12:06.37 | petteri | by the way there is limited copy paste on the browser |
| 12:07.14 | petteri | and you can copy paste from terminal to the browser address bar, which is nice |
| 12:08.05 | petteri | i don't really have that big issues with N9, works like a charm most of the time |
| 12:08.18 | psycho_oreos | installing Japanese input requires anthy package that needs to be obtained manually. The inability to copy just a single text which is essentially URL snippet is just stupid and unnecessary waste of time |
| 12:09.34 | psycho_oreos | I have yet to find out how one even manages to paste stuff into the browser with just using VKB.. some black magic? |
| 12:09.46 | petteri | you can copy links from browser |
| 12:10.31 | petteri | psycho_oreos: heheh, not black magic. Hopefully you will figure out someday |
| 12:11.33 | psycho_oreos | petteri, yeah some annoying little trick |
| 12:12.40 | petteri | , but not as annoying as aegis :D |
| 12:15.16 | psycho_oreos | worse than N950.. nokia is like one big family of irritable successors. From the humble and obedient 770 to now a complete deliquent N9. Period |
| 12:17.18 | psycho_oreos | s/deliquent/delinquent/ |
| 12:17.34 | petteri | i think just the oppsite way |
| 12:17.56 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 12:18.03 | petteri | i don't? |
| 12:19.03 | psycho_oreos | at least I'm not alone on the view I'm on. otoh you don't realise it |
| 12:28.04 | petteri | yes, i have noticed that there is this vocal minority which tries to suck all the fun out of N9, just like in tmo |
| 12:29.54 | petteri | after enough propaganda, maybe i will join those eventually, who knows |
| 12:30.23 | petteri | , but at least the first couple of months with N9 have been fun |
| 12:38.23 | psycho_oreos | propaganda? as if that doesn't exist anywhere else apart from tmo threads specifically |
| 12:44.13 | psycho_oreos | and purely targeting tmo is rather poor, theres many `propaganda' news saying n9 isn't specifically that great |
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| 12:44.58 | petteri | wut? |
| 12:45.12 | petteri | i was talking about there couple irc channels also |
| 12:45.17 | petteri | these |
| 12:45.55 | psycho_oreos | and sites like engadget? |
| 12:47.24 | psycho_oreos | n9 - dead before its born |
| 12:47.25 | psycho_oreos | birth rather |
| 12:47.25 | petteri | never mind |
| 12:47.31 | petteri | nice little zombi phone :) |
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| 12:48.22 | psycho_oreos | it's an analogy |
| 12:49.48 | psycho_oreos | oh wait... engadget `sucked the fun out of n9' |
| 12:50.14 | petteri | heheh :) |
| 12:50.30 | petteri | i think there is a little cultural barrier going on here |
| 12:52.23 | psycho_oreos | more like comprehension difficulty.. almost everywhere one searches up reviews on n9 the results more or less agrees with each other. |
| 12:52.49 | psycho_oreos | not just tmo, not just irc channels like these |
| 12:55.21 | auenf | all reviews say the same wrong thing about n9 not getting any apps cause its a deadend product? |
| 12:55.38 | psycho_oreos | though I guess it wouldn't be relevant to you. They are all there to `suck the fun out of n9' |
| 12:56.07 | psycho_oreos | no, more than that, but that was a common theme |
| 12:58.34 | psycho_oreos | at least three other people along with myself loathed at n9 not being offered with a keyboard. They've either held back on upgrading or jumped platforms |
| 12:59.26 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure there were many more having gripes with n9 in various ways |
| 13:00.22 | petteri | probably, but it sucks reading the same whinings from the same people all day |
| 13:00.53 | petteri | they should just get it out and move on |
| 13:02.17 | psycho_oreos | and those with the rare N950 would either keep that or buy n9. I'm sure deep down they would be happier if N950 were publically sold so others could benefit in some way and not have to put up with n9 |
| 13:03.33 | psycho_oreos | yeah like those other ex nokia investors prior to nokia signing an agreement with microsoft and publically disclosing its plans with symbian, maemo and meego |
| 13:04.24 | psycho_oreos | lets all move on, nokia doesn't need those ex-investors, ex-whingers |
| 13:11.40 | psycho_oreos | I bet N950 would behave similar to N900, n9 on the other hand expects you to change your way of doing things |
| 13:13.21 | petteri | i tried N950, it did not feel as nice as N9 |
| 13:14.15 | psycho_oreos | but no, N950 is not publically available and never will be, so one whom tinkered with N900 is forced to change radically |
| 13:14.58 | petteri | yes, apps are much nicer and the swipe interface is a big improvement |
| 13:15.22 | petteri | email and calendar were not usable with N900 |
| 13:15.55 | petteri | n9 seems so much more polished than n900 |
| 13:16.02 | psycho_oreos | I bet N950 would function much better than n9, at least it has proper dev tools that otherwise on n9, one tries to install them and n9 turns around stripping developer rights |
| 13:16.11 | psycho_oreos | hardly |
| 13:16.32 | petteri | qtsdk worked out of the box with my n9 |
| 13:16.53 | petteri | just pluged n9 in to my computer and i could deploy my app on n9 |
| 13:17.34 | petteri | was so much more work to compile stuff with scratchbox and test those with Xephyr |
| 13:17.39 | psycho_oreos | no copy and paste in browser, no playlist creation in music, no proper dev tools in commandline. n9 essentially is a perfect device for those who don't like tinkering |
| 13:17.56 | petteri | psycho_oreos: you already said thos |
| 13:17.57 | petteri | e |
| 13:18.20 | petteri | about an hour ago |
| 13:19.29 | psycho_oreos | petteri: nothing wrong with reinstating my arguments, I' |
| 13:19.30 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure theres more but I cbf listing the woes |
| 13:20.16 | petteri | psycho_oreos: so have you done any coding on n900 |
| 13:22.38 | psycho_oreos | again missing the point, how is n9 better than N950 is really beyond me. It just makes more sense that imk whoever thinks n9 is superior are no different to those whom never jailbroke their iphones, crackdd their cracberries, rooted their androids, fake certed their symbians, etc |
| 13:29.20 | petteri | the coding part was not related to anything else, just asking |
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