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| 03:31.52 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone tried the lumia 800 flip case with the n9? |
| 03:32.04 | itsnotabigtruck | if i understand correctly they share a chassis |
| 03:32.30 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically the CP-572 |
| 03:46.21 | Tronic | I don't have N9 but it should work precisely because of that. |
| 03:46.37 | Tronic | However, the case does not protect the screen at all so it seems quite useless. |
| 03:48.22 | Tronic | Wait, I wasn't talking of CP-572 but some other model. |
| 03:48.56 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: yeah, the cp-572 is a leather flip case so it ought to protect the screen |
| 03:49.04 | Tronic | The chassis is identical, except for the side button. |
| 03:49.05 | itsnotabigtruck | then there's also the leather pouch that's marketed specifically for the n9 |
| 03:49.51 | itsnotabigtruck | has anybody noticed any quality differences between the manufacturing locations? it looks like it's a gamble whether you get a chinese or finnish-made unit |
| 03:52.19 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic ^ |
| 03:56.10 | Tronic | My Lumia 800 is from China and seems OK, no idea otherwise. |
| 03:59.35 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like newegg = latam variant, made in china, global mobiles on amazon = belgium/luxembourg variant, made in finland, expansys uk = ??? |
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| 07:02.07 | itsnotabigtruck | black...or blue...or black...hmm... |
| 07:04.33 | auenf | 64GB? |
| 07:06.22 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: eh, $550 or so is already a stretch, the 64gb version is up in the stratosphere |
| 07:06.34 | itsnotabigtruck | the extra 48 gigs is nice but the pricing is just insane |
| 07:06.52 | auenf | hence why i waited for it to drop before i got mine |
| 07:11.20 | Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: White! |
| 07:13.02 | Tronic | What is insane about the pricing? The difference between 16GB and 64GB is less than what a 64GB SDXC card costs. |
| 07:13.03 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: heh, already gave up on the white n9 |
| 07:14.03 | itsnotabigtruck | also not if you get a card that isn't a marked up name brand sandisk/lexar/etc. |
| 07:14.41 | Tronic | Sandisk MicroSDXC costs 150 € here and my retailer doesn't have anything cheaper. |
| 07:15.08 | itsnotabigtruck | i was looking at full size sd cards |
| 07:15.33 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, flash soldered onto the board has lower size constraints and doesn't require all the overhead of a card |
| 07:16.31 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like microsdxc cards are abnormally expensive, but a lot of that is the size and the novelty |
| 07:16.34 | Tronic | In any case, it is definitely in the ballpark. The price diffence between N9 models is 50-80 € here at the moment. |
| 07:18.43 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, it's a lot of money for a phone, even unlocked |
| 07:18.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and nokia playing games with its distribution isn't helping |
| 07:19.07 | Tronic | But anyway the prices are somewhat messed up due to the new year's price drop. |
| 07:19.33 | Tronic | Don't be surprised if you find abnormal pricing at this time. |
| 07:20.06 | Tronic | I agree, it is a rather steep price overall. |
| 07:20.39 | Tronic | Just trying to point out that when judging the 64GB price you should consider 16GB price + memory card. |
| 07:20.59 | Tronic | Something that you'd be buying anyway... |
| 07:21.08 | Tronic | (if it was possible, that is) |
| 07:23.25 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah... |
| 07:23.45 | itsnotabigtruck | i've got a 16gb microsd i can throw in there though |
| 07:25.02 | JackaLX | erm, hope you're not talking about an N9 that doesn't have a sd card slot |
| 07:25.39 | itsnotabigtruck | right, kinda forgot about that |
| 07:26.12 | itsnotabigtruck | ...and that's why i haven't pulled the trigger yet, heh |
| 07:26.26 | itsnotabigtruck | well, not that in particular, just that i need to make sure i know wtf i'm doing |
| 07:27.13 | JackaLX | totally understand... it's a considerable investment you thinking of making |
| 07:33.42 | JackaLX | Flip a coin... heads == you get the 64Gb; tails == you don't get the 16Gb :-P |
| 07:42.46 | psycho_oreos | I don't think for the cyan version you can get 64GB, where I live you can only get black with 64GB |
| 07:43.09 | auenf | 64gb is only available in black or white |
| 07:43.27 | psycho_oreos | err I meant you can get black for both 64GB and 16GB |
| 07:44.10 | psycho_oreos | bah, white would 1) cost more probably, 2) is more prone to fingerprints than the other colours (probably different type of coating used) |
| 07:44.51 | vsync_ | I thought there was no coating |
| 07:45.33 | auenf | white is gloss, others are matte |
| 07:45.44 | psycho_oreos | or whatever material was used (note that youtube video reference in terms of glossy reflective back on that white N9, imagine one with greasy hands holding the white N9, probably leaves fingerprints easily) |
| 07:45.45 | petteri | i have cya and the only option was 16GB, if did have that I would get the white one |
| 07:45.56 | petteri | did not |
| 07:46.01 | Tronic | I wonder if the matte surface will turn glossy over time when kept in a pocket. |
| 07:46.16 | Tronic | Glossy to start with should be safe. |
| 07:46.37 | Tronic | And the screen is going to be full of fingerprints in any case. |
| 07:46.53 | Tronic | The glass Nokia uses is a grease magnet. |
| 07:47.06 | auenf | cleans easily tho |
| 07:47.11 | psycho_oreos | black N9 comes with a cover which is good at giving it a slightly little more protection than not having one on. Of course the cover is not entire phone cover, it is mostly a body cover |
| 07:47.18 | Tronic | Only if you lick it clean and I don't want to do that. |
| 07:47.37 | psycho_oreos | isn't it supposed to be `gorilla glass'? |
| 07:47.41 | auenf | i got a case cleaning cloth with my aopen XC Cube |
| 07:47.50 | auenf | it works awesomely on the n9 screen |
| 07:48.03 | Tronic | psycho_oreos: I don't think they have the brand name but yes, it is some sort of very strong glass. |
| 07:48.17 | petteri | fingerprints can be cleaned easily, not a really an issue |
| 07:48.30 | Tronic | I'm having difficult time cleaning mine. |
| 07:48.38 | Tronic | Tissue paper dry or wet is no good. |
| 07:49.09 | psycho_oreos | Tronic, dunno I saw specs of n9 somewhere stating that it has `gorilla glass' iinm its the same set of glass that was used on either the n8 or e7 or some other model |
| 07:49.17 | petteri | i just wipe it with my shirt if needed, but normally they just vanish |
| 07:49.21 | Tronic | I have also tried cotton cloth but won't work. |
| 07:49.35 | psycho_oreos | wonder if white spirit (with extra caution) would help |
| 07:50.06 | Tronic | Dish washing liquid should do the trick but I don't carry any of that around. |
| 07:50.16 | auenf | http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/ReviewImages/AOpenXCCubeEZ18/AOpenEZ18_bundle.jpg |
| 07:50.23 | auenf | cloth bottom left |
| 07:50.34 | Tronic | psycho_oreos: Have you ever seen that in official specs? |
| 07:50.45 | psycho_oreos | what about N900's microfibre cloth or whatever it is? |
| 07:50.58 | psycho_oreos | Tronic, no |
| 07:51.18 | auenf | always found this cloth much better than the n900 or n810 cloths |
| 07:51.34 | Tronic | psycho_oreos: I know that it is some extra strong glass (because I have no scratches on mine) but not necessarily Corning® Gorilla® Glass. |
| 07:52.07 | Tronic | psycho_oreos: I think I've lost mine. |
| 07:52.17 | psycho_oreos | Tronic, like I said, I read on some site that it stated n9 had `gorilla glass' |
| 07:52.23 | Tronic | (the wipe that came with N900, that is) |
| 07:52.36 | psycho_oreos | heh mine is still floating around somewhere... |
| 07:52.48 | Tronic | Yep, just trying to point out that the web was (is) full of specs based on speculation and no facts. |
| 07:53.26 | Tronic | And then there are cases where the hardware is the same but the manufacturer didn't pay for the name, e.g. the camera on N950. |
| 07:53.52 | Tronic | (no Carl-Zeiss branding on that one but AFAIK it is an identical camera + lens) |
| 07:55.09 | vsync_ | n9 officially has "gorilla glass" |
| 07:55.36 | vsync_ | and it's more of a pr-trick. It does scratch. Do appreciate the effort though |
| 07:56.41 | auenf | http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/nokia |
| 07:56.48 | auenf | n9 has gorilla it seems :P |
| 07:57.30 | vsync_ | also, n9 has "carl zeiss" branding on the lens. |
| 07:57.49 | vsync_ | that wouldn't have been too difficult to check. Just flip the device over =p |
| 07:59.25 | Tronic | vsync_: N9 does, N950 doesn't. I agree, checking the glass type would have been trivial, but it was far beside my point so I didn't bother to. |
| 07:59.40 | Tronic | My point being that the glass is strong but difficult to keep clean. |
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| 08:27.50 | vsync_ | all glasses are... and it's only a phone really |
| 08:27.54 | vsync_ | :) |
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| 16:55.01 | Lilltiger | vsync_, it is gorilla glass, and it is extremly sturdy it does not scratch from knifes/keys and stuff like that |
| 16:57.22 | Lilltiger | The issue is the same as with any other material there is, any harder material will scratch it, an in sand/dust there can be traces of graphite and carbon 30(c30) structures etc that can scratch anything, even diamond. So nothing can protect from that.. |
| 17:12.42 | itsnotabigtruck | so the only question at this point, is a) buy from newegg and get a purdy blue chassis, but probably made in china, or b) buy from some amazon reseller and be stuck with boring black, but possibly made in finland |
| 17:13.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but with newegg there's a 90 day replacement period, which is good to have given the warranty clusterfsck with imported units |
| 17:20.59 | Lilltiger | itsnotabigtruck, hmm, might be possible to order one from sweden (made in finland for sure) throught some of the webstores here, as some ight have international shipping |
| 17:28.18 | itsnotabigtruck | Lilltiger: hmm, the problem with importing it directly is that currency conversion surcharge + international shipping + customs duty adds up |
| 17:28.49 | Lilltiger | true |
| 17:28.56 | itsnotabigtruck | like i was considering ordering from expansys uk, which comes out to about $515 shipped, except then you add up all the overhead and you don't come out ahead |
| 17:30.17 | Lilltiger | internationall shipping laws outside of EU is so damn stupid.. |
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| 20:03.52 | Canard|Away | hello |
| 20:04.25 | Canard|Away | sorry i need to clean my wounds so i was afk when u replied niwakame |
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| 20:38.41 | Canard|Away | i guess everyones idle:( |
| 21:04.17 | wirwe | ~logs |
| 21:04.17 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23n9/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 21:07.16 | Canard|Away | im plannign to buy n9 but im worried about the updates |
| 21:07.44 | Canard|Away | im torn if i should w8 for ace or not |
| 21:13.12 | wirwe | what about the updates? i don't have problems in this regard. you can ask the people in #harmattan, i guess they are just not looking in this channel as often as in #harmattan. |
| 21:13.46 | niwakame | ah |
| 21:14.08 | niwakame | Canard|Away: read this one maybe: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81145 |
| 21:14.57 | niwakame | And of course, don't forget to sign up to the forum and thanks if it's a valid answer *advertising* |
| 21:15.17 | Canard|Away | thanks and sorrya gain hrs ago |
| 21:15.29 | Canard|Away | my nick is like this cause of my script i was away when i close it |
| 21:15.58 | Canard|Away | i really like maemo/meego tahn windows7 |
| 21:16.20 | Canard|Away | thats why im pro n9 than lumia,and ace would take juen to arrive here |
| 21:16.32 | niwakame | just use /nick Canard |
| 21:16.38 | Canard|Away | wont work its bugged |
| 21:16.57 | niwakame | hum, ok |
| 21:17.10 | Canard|Away | im just worried cause i know meego was changed to tirzen when nokia turned to wp7 and itnel turn their back |
| 21:17.31 | Canard|Away | and i know tirzen would be supported by samsung |
| 21:17.38 | niwakame | For me there currently aren't any dealbreaker bugs with N9 |
| 21:18.26 | niwakame | Facebook, Twitter, Instant Messaging Services (*coughcough*) all of them work |
| 21:18.26 | Canard|Away | the linux foundation said theyll help meego suers transition to tirzen,but i cant hold on taht promise |
| 21:18.33 | Canard|Away | *users |
| 21:18.48 | niwakame | What was your previous phone platform? |
| 21:18.53 | Canard|Away | i wanted more like new features and apps in future |
| 21:18.57 | petteri | i don't think tize has anything to do with n9 |
| 21:19.03 | Canard|Away | true petteri |
| 21:19.03 | petteri | tizen |
| 21:19.18 | Canard|Away | symbian |
| 21:19.35 | Canard|Away | my current phone is n70 like so old lolx |
| 21:19.57 | Canard|Away | my sister has iphone but im not pro apps only,i hate it |
| 21:20.21 | niwakame | haha as we've got recently the full Angry Birds package, I'm happy appwise :P |
| 21:20.54 | niwakame | Just check what you need and search talk.maemo.org if it's available |
| 21:20.59 | niwakame | or google |
| 21:21.15 | niwakame | maybe some reviews on YT |
| 21:21.54 | niwakame | Ipernity client is in the works xD |
| 21:22.51 | Canard|Away | lolx im nto progames lolx |
| 21:23.15 | wirwe | apropos angrybirds. WHY is this preinstalled? WHY do all people love this game? it is so boring xD |
| 21:23.30 | Canard|Away | i meant i prefer some useful apps,jsut worried since the change in tizen,itll discourage devs to create mroe apps |
| 21:24.17 | Canard|Away | i could jsut try apple but my loyalty si with nokia,they make tech not make people lazy |
| 21:24.41 | Canard|Away | thats what apple exploited with their iphone-_- |
| 21:24.46 | niwakame | hehe, no I think developers will support this for a reasonable time |
| 21:24.50 | wirwe | wait until march, maybe we know more about android-app-usage on n9 after the mobile world congress. |
| 21:26.05 | petteri | if you wan't apps, N9 might not be the best platform for you. I actually like the N9 as it is right now :) |
| 21:26.36 | niwakame | wirwe: you're counting on that? |
| 21:26.43 | niwakame | still the alien dalvik thing? |
| 21:27.29 | Canard|Away | how will that be possible,isnt android different from meego even if theyre both linxu based |
| 21:27.53 | niwakame | Alien Dalvik was supposed to emulate Android Apps by repackaging them with a loader afaik |
| 21:28.08 | Canard|Away | *linux,and i dotn know if android relies on qt like maemo/meego |
| 21:28.26 | niwakame | It's totally different |
| 21:28.33 | Canard|Away | good luck with him,and may god bless us if it happens lolx |
| 21:28.36 | niwakame | Think of it as like using an SNES emulator on your phone |
| 21:28.48 | niwakame | Zelda doesn't depend on QT |
| 21:28.50 | Canard|Away | aaw resource intensive |
| 21:29.06 | niwakame | Not neccessarily |
| 21:29.14 | niwakame | We'll have to see |
| 21:29.26 | niwakame | But imho this is just...like Duke Nukem Forever |
| 21:29.29 | niwakame | :P |
| 21:29.38 | niwakame | Waiting till the N900 for this to happen |
| 21:30.36 | niwakame | till = since |
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| 21:33.29 | swedzin | does anyone know how to change tab when you open xls file on N9? |
| 21:41.25 | wirwe | niwakame: i'm not countig on that, but i'm hoping. ^^ alien davik … or openmobile acl. |
| 21:43.26 | niwakame | ACL is like wine I think? |
| 21:49.37 | wirwe | something like that. i don't know the exact difference |
| 21:56.14 | niwakame | emulating consists of translating the CPU Codes to the ones on your platform, while ACL should be presenting an API to the app that translates to your OS API |
| 21:56.25 | niwakame | -> faster |
| 21:56.28 | niwakame | usually :P |
| 21:58.13 | wirwe | cool and we know "wine is not an emulator" |
| 21:58.48 | niwakame | -1 for wikipedia usage |
| 21:58.48 | niwakame | :P |
| 21:59.48 | wirwe | haha you got me^^ |
| 22:00.50 | wirwe | i'm leaving, bye^^ |
| 22:06.49 | niwakame | me too, bye :) |
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| 22:21.37 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, emulator is a terribly fuzzy term |
| 22:21.58 | itsnotabigtruck | it might be "not an emulator" but it still emulates an api :p |
| 22:29.42 | vsync_ | The only thing i'd like on the n9 as of now, would be live messenger integration into messages |
| 22:30.41 | vsync_ | also, there's no messenger client available, at least not on ovi store, haven't checked other places. Possibly is... Though I'm using bitlbee right now on my server so it isn't that big of a deal. Would be just nice to have em all under messages |
