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| 00:10.07 | kupo | greetings |
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| 00:40.47 | itsnotabigtruck | yo kupo |
| 00:45.51 | kupo | itsnotabigtruck: you the inception guy? |
| 00:56.51 | itsnotabigtruck | kupo: yep |
| 00:57.06 | itsnotabigtruck | and it just passed 300 downloads, yay |
| 01:17.38 | kupo | itsnotabigtruck: very nice |
| 01:17.43 | kupo | good job |
| 01:18.48 | itsnotabigtruck | thanks |
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| 06:25.16 | denism | Nokia N9 64 GB Black = 400 EUR in Finland. Is it a general price drop in the world already? |
| 06:25.54 | Tronic | Has white been discontinued already? |
| 06:26.34 | Tronic | Some retailers say that it is no longer available and won't be available later. |
| 06:27.27 | denism | Tronic: at least it is still available on verrkokauppa.com, but for 530 EUR |
| 06:29.38 | Tronic | denism: Could be from an earlier shipment. Considering how large stocks the keep and how high the prices are, it might take a while before they manage to sell whatever they have. |
| 06:30.36 | denism | yes of course. By advertisement - I think it is expected that consumers have to buy white Lumia |
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| 08:12.36 | Jeffrey04 | any fennec/firefox nightly user here? |
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| 11:58.47 | xTs_w | itsnotabigtruck: *inceptionthumbsup*! |
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| 12:31.28 | Jonne_ | does anyone happen to know if the browser ships with some sort of debug console? |
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| 13:30.58 | kupo | Jonne_: which one? |
| 13:34.50 | Jonne_ | the default one |
| 13:34.58 | Jonne_ | i know firefox comes with one built-in |
| 13:35.13 | kupo | ah, not sure the default is chromium based right? |
| 13:35.21 | Jonne_ | webkit |
| 13:36.04 | Jonne_ | i just noticed it craps out on a piece of javascript that works in all other browsers i've tested |
| 13:36.17 | Jonne_ | and i don't want to stuff a bunch of alert()'s in my code |
| 13:38.09 | Jonne_ | same issue in iOS safari, apparently |
| 13:39.19 | Jonne_ | at least there's a debug console there |
| 14:23.48 | Jonne_ | ffs, that was just ridiculous. turns out jquery mobile sometimes overwrites the href attribute of links for no reason at all |
| 14:24.05 | Jonne_ | hmm, not related to this channel, but whatever |
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| 15:13.05 | npm | what will cause N9 to wear out faster: allowing battery to discharge when you could plug it in (wear out battery), or constantly unplugging and plugging (mechanical wear on connector) to keep it charged near variety of power sources.?? |
| 15:16.25 | sakkemo | npm: the connectors will not probably wear out by the time you want a new phone |
| 15:17.27 | sakkemo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Prolonging_battery_pack_life here are some general Li-ion battery usage guidelines |
| 15:17.51 | npm | that's good to hear, for some value of time and want |
| 15:18.35 | npm | and following those guidelines, which means plugging in instead of discharging (e.g. watching a movie), means plugging in the device... |
| 15:18.44 | sakkemo | the micro-usb connector is very standard and I supposed they've been thoroughly tested through the years |
| 15:19.51 | npm | yeah, hopefully nokia will send a harmattanized version of the PureView 808 by the time it wears out. :-) :-) |
| 15:20.56 | sakkemo | if you want, you can google li-ion battery usage guidelines etc. to get more/other tips |
| 15:22.47 | sakkemo | http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries here's a long one |
| 15:26.28 | sakkemo | I didn't know that shallow discharges & loads were better for battery life |
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| 18:09.04 | rZr | hi |
| 18:10.25 | rZr | cool someone rated redak using appformeego , 5 more to go... |
| 18:12.00 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 18:12.24 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit, i don't have afm installed yet after i nuked my N9 for some inception testing |
| 18:14.33 | rZr | its time to reveal that inception is actuall selop liltle contribution to harmattan :-) |
| 18:16.56 | itsnotabigtruck | what? lol >_> |
| 18:18.00 | rZr | doesnt he want to nuke all of us ? |
| 18:23.09 | jonne | he just wants money |
| 18:23.23 | jonne | right now that's coming from MS |
| 18:32.02 | itsnotabigtruck | i was wrong about the engadget post not bringing in many downloads |
| 18:32.10 | itsnotabigtruck | i just didn't realize my log had rotated |
| 18:32.23 | itsnotabigtruck | went from 300 to 700 overnight |
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| 19:02.31 | itsnotabigtruck | http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7082963 @ everyone - please seed |
| 19:02.36 | itsnotabigtruck | (no, it's not a pirated movie, it's the PR1.2 source DVD from nokia) |
| 19:02.46 | itsnotabigtruck | if any of you have already downloaded it from javis/doc's servers, it should be possible to put it in a folder and point your torrent client at it |
| 19:02.53 | itsnotabigtruck | jonne rzr ^ |
| 19:04.22 | jonne | fine, although i have no idea what to do with it |
| 19:04.58 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 19:05.25 | itsnotabigtruck | jonne: well, if you're building advanced apps sometimes you need it in order to use new pr1.1/1.2 features |
| 19:05.49 | jonne | is that the GPL sources you can get by writing Nokia, or is it some sourt of leak? |
| 19:06.07 | jonne | itsnotabigtruck, i'm just a web developer |
| 19:07.03 | jonne | don't know the first thing about app development (something i was reminded of painfully when i tried to make small changes in a gtk app) |
| 19:07.38 | itsnotabigtruck | whoa, firefox pulled in 18.5mb of dependencies |
| 19:07.52 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the gpl sources |
| 19:08.12 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it's the sources to everything that's open source in the repository, some is gpl, some isn't |
| 19:08.49 | itsnotabigtruck | it's msotly useful because nokia has neglected to update its public SDK repository, and has added a bunch of various things in pr1.1 and pr1.2 |
| 19:08.53 | itsnotabigtruck | many of which are in open source packages |
| 19:09.15 | itsnotabigtruck | as most of the OS core is open source, it's the higher-level stuff like apps that isn't |
| 19:10.13 | jonne | i'll just keep seeding it until demand drops, i probably won't ever look at them :p |
| 19:10.58 | jonne | maybe grep for skype to see if there's any stuff about skype video |
| 19:13.22 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 19:13.37 | itsnotabigtruck | probably not but i suppose you could check |
| 19:13.43 | itsnotabigtruck | the messaging stuff is very modular |
| 19:14.05 | itsnotabigtruck | = no skype stuff in the core, that's all segmented out |
| 19:15.14 | jonne | right, nokia probably doesn't even have that source code |
| 19:15.34 | jonne | just a binary blob skype delivers if the pay is right |
| 19:21.46 | kupo | how hard is porting existing debian apps to n9? |
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| 19:25.59 | itsnotabigtruck | kupo: depends on what sort of app |
| 19:26.15 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's a command-line app, often you can "port" it with 2 commands :D |
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| 19:47.18 | kupo | oh that is excellent |
| 19:47.45 | kupo | can I just install debian arm packages from cli? |
| 19:48.07 | itsnotabigtruck | kupo: it's probably a good idea to rebuild against the harmattan sdk |
| 19:48.38 | kupo | so the big hurdles are aegis and the qt frontend? |
| 19:48.58 | itsnotabigtruck | and also that you might not have the dependencies you need, harmattan only includes the basics |
| 19:49.24 | kupo | is it possible to just hook apt directly to debian's repos? |
| 19:49.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that...sounds like a very easy way to trash your N9 |
| 19:49.45 | itsnotabigtruck | also, i just remembered |
| 19:49.48 | kupo | most likely |
| 19:49.50 | itsnotabigtruck | floating point abi is a problem |
| 19:49.55 | kupo | abi? |
| 19:49.59 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't use ARMEL packages because they're soft float |
| 19:50.05 | kupo | ah |
| 19:50.20 | kupo | that seems like a big deal |
| 19:50.20 | itsnotabigtruck | ARMHF is what you need, but harmattan thinks it's ARMEL when it's really ARMHF |
| 19:50.34 | itsnotabigtruck | so you can't install ARMHF packages |
| 19:50.47 | itsnotabigtruck | it's kind of a problem, yeah |
| 19:50.50 | itsnotabigtruck | so just do the rebuild |
| 19:51.00 | itsnotabigtruck | you'll need the harmattan platform sdk (i.e. scratchbox) |
| 19:51.30 | kupo | yea I've grabbed it already |
| 19:51.42 | kupo | qt-creator includes it iirc |
| 19:54.46 | itsnotabigtruck | no, that's different |
| 19:55.01 | itsnotabigtruck | if you have qt sdk only, you don't have what you need |
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| 19:59.21 | kupo | itsnotabigtruck: ok |
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