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| 01:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | smokex: ((concrete absorbs charge from lion batteries like a leach)) now I know what you're talking about. NCIS L.A. just explained that a new battery system developed by the navy emits Li-Ion radiation and thus they needed a dosimeter in that race car that used this new battery system to improve the combustion of the engine |
| 01:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I think TV kills the brain and makes a complete idiot of everybody who's not "hardened" agianst the influence |
| 01:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | all in line with Fran Zappa's "I'm the slime" |
| 01:27.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHHvqncASrI |
| 02:03.27 | vgrade | morning |
| 02:26.45 | MFaro-Tusino | vgrade: morning \o |
| 02:36.45 | MFaro-Tusino | DocScrutinizer05: So I was looking into charging earlier today - I can't make sense of how Sailfish manages it |
| 02:36.58 | MFaro-Tusino | I don't see a sh file conventionally named |
| 02:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sailfish for sure is using some kernel module, or libhybris |
| 02:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on platform, charging might not need *any* software support |
| 02:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what you find by "looking into sailfish" for sure depends on the hw platform it's made for |
| 02:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | since info about jollaPhone is more than sparse, I have No Faintest Clue how charging works there |
| 02:40.41 | MFaro-Tusino | yeah - thats why I'm hoping when I get my review device I can look into it more |
| 02:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm pretty sure when it is controlled by software then via libhybris |
| 02:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus you won't be any wiser after looking into jPhone charging |
| 02:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you RE libhybris |
| 02:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly sailfish as is now, is as much a complete OS as win3.11 been |
| 02:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI it can't really run on devices that don't have a android HAL |
| 02:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't manage to wrap my head around that whole mess. I don't see how libhybris can use an android HAL when the kernel isn't the one this android HAL got written for |
| 02:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe today is not one of my brightest days... :-/ |
| 02:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also wonder if that damn device ever starts shipping to me |
| 02:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | though OTOH I'm not as eager to get may paws at it as you seem to be. It's boring and annoying me each day a little more than the day before |
| 02:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like did the N9 |
| 02:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the N9 I got for free |
| 02:52.04 | MFaro-Tusino | I just want to see if it surpasses my expectations |
| 02:52.07 | MFaro-Tusino | (I did too) |
| 02:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see it doesn't ship with any decent docs so you could make use of the brick beyond what the gods of jolla thought "app devels" would need to be able to do |
| 02:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck I don't even see any docs about the friggin TOH I2C interface |
| 02:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the missing flasher makes it a still born tragedy |
| 02:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even dare to *touch* this thing, feeling afraid I could chose some "incorrect" locale or whatever in initial aka first-boot setup that I never again can revert |
| 02:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | counting in all those little (missing) details, the whole thing is such an epic fail... ;-S |
| 02:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather get an android device, where I had CM at least |
| 02:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | seriously, no kidding. I think cyanogen mod would offer more user freedom to mess with the device than whole sailfish on jollaphone does |
| 02:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not that I ever looked into any android or even CM) |
| 03:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm seriously considering to immediately sell this brick the very moment it arrives at me |
| 03:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be interesting to find out how much it could go for, on ebay |
| 03:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | would it be more than the 413EUR I paid for it? less? how much less? |
| 03:04.02 | MFaro-Tusino | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jolla-16GB-Sailfish-OS-Mobile-Phone-with-exclusive-cover-new-in-sealed-box-/221334700679?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3388938287 |
| 03:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | THe FUCK!!! :-D |
| 03:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I know for sure what I gonna do |
| 03:11.07 | MFaro-Tusino | hahah |
| 03:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | feeling way better now about my own stupidity to *again* pay money to get a sample of a new device |
| 03:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough other jollas go for $850 "buy now" |
| 03:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | OH I see, ``Without battery if sent abroad!ยดยด |
| 03:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 03:23.34 | MFaro-Tusino | useless! |
| 03:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how Jolla and Nokia manage to ship their products |
| 03:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on same topic, about any arbitrary other portable electronics manufacturer nowadays |
| 03:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | apple for example, or samsung |
| 03:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | mayn of those devices have no removable battery at all |
| 03:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this means you can't ship iPhones? lol |
| 03:27.30 | MFaro-Tusino | From blogging I have an understanding of how it all goes down - due to gettting devices sent to me and shipping them back |
| 03:27.52 | MFaro-Tusino | Many countries have bans on exporting batteries |
| 03:28.57 | MFaro-Tusino | Though, if you are a company, you can request that you're company gets permission to ship them. Some shipping companies exist that will ship them, though, for example, for me to ship to the US a phone, its about AUD$150 |
| 03:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay |
| 03:29.36 | MFaro-Tusino | So Apple, Samsung, Nokia etc, can ship the phones wherever they like, though its hard for individuals to ship them |
| 03:29.44 | MFaro-Tusino | (Without paying a hefty fee of course) |
| 03:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or without blatantly lying about the package content |
| 03:30.49 | MFaro-Tusino | Yeah that too! |
| 03:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I simply won't open the original packaging, so I never got to know about any battery inside |
| 03:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I don't even open up the DHL/whatever wrapper, so I'd be surprised when they don't pick it up again |
| 03:31.54 | MFaro-Tusino | haha |
| 03:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | just with a different addr sticker on it |
| 03:34.29 | MFaro-Tusino | Not sure if you can (as it would still have Jolla waybill info attached to it ) |
| 03:34.31 | mattaustin | It's mostly to do with the right declaration. I think certain batteries can no longer be transported on a plane with passengers etc. |
| 03:35.14 | mattaustin | http://www.dhl.com.au/content/dam/downloads/g0/express/shipping/lithium_batteries/lithium_batteries_interactive_tool.pdf |
| 03:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's first and foremost about safe packaging which only companies can warrant |
| 03:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a LiIon in a iPhone is considered inherently safe |
| 03:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | a raw possibly tampered with LiIon shipped by a weird individual... NOT |
| 03:37.09 | mattaustin | Yeah, stll has to have special stickers on the packaging, and a signed declaration. I had to do the same for my laptop recently which didn't have a removable battery when I returned it for servicing. |
| 03:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :od: |
| 03:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: even |
| 03:37.43 | mattaustin | :) |
| 03:39.12 | mattaustin | My Jolla should arrive in the UK on Monday. Hoping that I can get it forwarded to Perth in time for Christmas. Expensive though for private forwarding. 50-60GBP. |
| 03:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | how much **Watt per hour** OUUUuuuUUUUUUCH! |
| 03:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>use the formula Ampere hours x Voltage in case the watt per hour is not marked in the battery<< Math: insufficient, 'F', 0 points. Start with class #5 again! Ah*V = VA/h, uh?? |
| 03:53.37 | MFaro-Tusino | hahah |
| 03:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | only PRIMARY (metal) Li-cells are forbidden to transport on board of passenger airplanes, and AIUI only for USA (and Asia) |
| 04:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, it's mainly about packaging (cell needs own blister) and proper labeling |
| 04:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | LiIon *can* get extinguished by airplane halon fire extinguisher. Metal Li cells CANNOT |
| 04:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (according to that pretty scientifically sound DHL document ;-D) |
| 04:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should file the required documents with "no 'watt per hour' figure available for this unit. Here are the WattHour figures instead, if you care about those maybe:..." |
| 04:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bang my head against the wall ~5..8 times a year, when in TV again they tell stuff like "this power plant can provide electrical power for 500 households per year" |
| 04:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so after 10 years it can provide power for 5k households, or what? |
| 04:09.09 | MFaro-Tusino | You make me laugh! |
| 04:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | shows how stupid average joe parrots any technical data he heard, without thinking for a single second what it might mean |
| 04:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we should specify our CPU as "1GHz/day" |
| 04:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | with one gigabyte*8bits/byte log hours^2 memory |
| 04:16.50 | mattaustin | :D |
| 04:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we double that to "2 giganibble/4bit-nibbles-per-device memory" |
| 04:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 04:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | to "2 giganibble/(byte/2)-nibbles-per-device memory" |
| 04:18.32 | MFaro-Tusino | :D |
| 04:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and finally we go to a plain and stunning (and even 100% correct) '8Gb memory' |
| 04:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | for mark3 device series |
| 04:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'with doubled data rate" |
| 04:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'which means it can move twice as much data per hour' |
| 07:57.48 | MFaro-Tusino | ping smokex |
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| 11:55.46 | MFaro-Tusino | Anyone happen to have a TitleBar Harmattan component they can send me? |
| 11:55.57 | MFaro-Tusino | I keep trying to make my own and not succeeding |
| 13:12.53 | mattaustin | MFaro-Tusino: My attempt, but hardcoded color: https://github.com/mattaustin/fremantleline/blob/development/qml/harmattan-qt4-pyside/Header.qml |
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